Volkswagen Phaeton

bobp7

a couple of you noted that you did better than the $699 per mo. deal for a base phaeton. was that on an '04 or an '05? as noted most sticker above the base vehicle cost.
correct me if i am wrong but this appears to be one of the great bargins in the market today.
thx.
bp7

scott31

Deals are on '04's. Yes, VW is quite literally giving the cars away. When I got lease #'s on a BMW 7 series in 1999, the car stickered at $63k. The lease payments were $908.25 a month. I have been offered $575 a month for a $70k Phaeton.

bobp7

drjmak;
i didn't see an answer to the question about what dealer you were working with that gave the lease quote you noted earler in this thread. pls advise.
thx!
bp7

bobp7

scott31;
i didn't see an answer to the question about what dealer you were working with that gave the lease quote you noted. pls advise.
thx!
bp7

denverg35

Thank you very much Scott31---I will check then out

My dealer wants $790/mo for 72k sticker, 3 year, 12,000 mile

bobp7

scott:
sorry about that, i must be blind! got way too much going on at once, at least more than i can handle!
i will contact the dealer you noted and hope for a similar arrangement.
thx!!!
bob

dcowan699

My local VW dealer has allowed me to take the '04 Phaeton home overnight for an extensive lookover. I drove the car on every type of highway and I am absolutely thrilled with the car. This car is without a doubt the best buy on the market. I am considering trading off my 2002 CL 500 Mercedes. The MB has plummetted in value, so don't think the MB brand is a good value. Also, don't knock the depreciation of the Phaeton, as it won't be any worse than a MB. I was going to put a deposit down and order a Phaeton in order to get one in a couple of months or so, however, upon evaluating the Benz, the local VW paint dept. noticed it appears that the Benz had been painted to some degree and the value of the car is even worse than the norm. This car was sold to me as a brand new car and I have not had anything done to the car since I bought it. So instead of getting a new Phaeton, I must now waste my time pursuing a legal battle with Benz. I will never own a Benz again. I hope to get a new Phaeton soon and I pray this car survives the uphill battle it doesn't deserve. VW has really produced a great product.

dcowan699

Let me clarify my above message. When I said "the Benz had been painted to some degree", I meant to say, " painted at the dealership to cover up what may be significant damage". The wholesaler used a device that measures paint thickness and other factors and the machine gives a reading that suggests quite a bit of repainting may have been done to cover up something. Nothing was revealed to me as a consumer at the point of sale or anytime afterwards. Nothing was disclosed to me. I will have this looked into by 2 well respected body shop owners before overreacting. Nonetheless, at this moment , it is definitely interfering with my trade.

vwguild2

First of all, I am delighted that you are so impressed with the PHAETON...so are a lot of us...

As to your Mercedes...Federal law requires disclosure of any repair made at Port of Entry that exceeds $400.00. Not sure if any such requirement falls to the Dealership. But, that $400 can buy a lot of paint...Your investigation, hopefully, will find nothing of great merit...And don't forget...The Pre-Owned Manager is tasked with the chore of giving you as little as possible for your car...;)

loslobos71

hey guys, i too am interested in leasing this car. Has anyone seen/have this car with a black interior? i have only seen the beige one. If so, can you please post a link or a picture of it. thanks!

bobm1

I have the silver exterior with the black anthracite interior. I leased the car (V8) last January and the interior is still very beautiful. I think the Phaeton has one of the best black interiors out there and I usually don't like black. My last car (2002 Q45) had the beige interior and it really showed the dirt. I highly recommend the Phaeton, it's the best car I've ever owned. Since you're leasing it, like I did, there is no risk and you will have a wonderful car.

loslobos71

thanks a lot. I am coming off a 2002 Audi A6 (2.7T) with beige exterior and beige interior (lease). I liked the car and the colors a lot. Right now i am trying to decide between the Phaeton (V8) and 2005 A6 (V6). I dont really need the room of the Phaeton (though my kids would love it) but i really like the luxuriousness of the car. Remarkably, the A6 is MORE than the Phaeton! I think i will go with the Phaeton in the next month, Probably Black/ Beige or Black/Black.

copernicus0001

I just purchased a black on black V8 Phaeton... It is probably the last non-4-seater black on black available in the Chicago area... It is really a great car for the money... The black (anthracite) interior is very nice, however, Phateons with the black interior are quite scarce now.... I know that a few Silver/black phaetons are still out there... this is also a very beautiful color combination...

So... if you are looking for a black interior, you should look hard and make your move now...

Good luck...

P.S. I was also considering the 2005 A6 and decided to go with the Phaeton.... I think it is more car for the money... especially considering the great incentives available right now...

loslobos71

thanks guys, ill post when i make a move on the car....probably soon

dcowan699

Superior choice. You will love this car. Phaeton WILL make a big dent in the luxury market eventually. Give it time as this car will hurt MB in the long run if they keep the quality up and the prices down.

rcellio

I'm working on a 36 month Phaeton deal with a dealer. The MSRP is $72,365, $2000 down, Cap Cost is $66298 (dealer's invoice price), 10K miles a year (raises the residual by 3% because of lower miles), residual is $39,746 and the payments are $839.98 which includes an 8.25 CA Tax in the payment (about $779 without tax). My first question is: Am I being ripped off? And my second question is: This car was delivered in December of last year. It's the only V8 they have and it has 834 miles on it. Would this be considered a "demo" and am I missing out on more cash available to the dealer because it's a demo?
Thanks for everyone's help here. I really love The Phaeton.

dcowan699

The 2004 Phaeton's Msrp can immediately be reduced by $10000.00 because VW is giving the dealers that kickback right off the top. In addition to that, you probably can get an additional rebate of $8000.00 that the dealer was probably going to discount anyway because of the fact they want it off of there showroom floor. Because it has 834 miles on it, I would push then for a total of $22000 discount. I would say the purchase should not be over $52000.00 or so. Believe me, this would be the highest I would give for it. I just bought my 2004 W12 yesterday, so I am very familiar with the rebates. The $10000.00 rebate is not available for the 2005 models and also VW financing of 3.9 is not a guarantee with the incentives. I did a purchase , not a lease, so I am not familiar with lease programs. $839.00 is reasonable however even with $50000.00 price tag, so I don't think you are being ripped off on the monthly payment, but the overall selling price is too high. Also , I don't feel you should have to pay the $2000 down. And yes, I LOVE this car and so does everyone who rides in it with me or looks at it.

vwguild2

The $10,000 goes away right off the top because of the use of the VW Credit Special Lease...If you are "unfamiliar with Lease programs", then it is not a good idea to counsel about them...

The PHAETON that you now own is not the PHAETON in question...Every transaction is as unique and different as the individuals involved.

If an individual has reached the level of financial success to acquire this automobile, then it would seem that they should be wise enough not to seek financial guidance from anonymous strangers...

vwguild2

The term "Demo" is certainly much abused...However; in the case of a $72,000.00
automobile, one can safely assume is was driven by the Owner or a Senior Manager...and because of those positions...very well taken care of...

The Incentive monies available are contingent and therefore a fixed rule cannot apply, save one...If the Customer elects to take adavantage of Volkswagen Credit Special Lease Rates & Residuals the $10,000 "Dealer Cash" is no longer available.

I will tell you this...a 36 Month lease, for a Tier 1 Customer has a Factor of 0.0003. This is an equivilant APR of .72%...put another way, FREE MONEY!!! There is also $0 of Security Deposit for the same Sterling Credit Customer.

Beyond this you are on your own to put together a financial package that makes sense to you...And...I am sure you will. This is an absolutely extraordinary vehicle...and there are none left at the Port of San Diego...I have sold 6 in the past week...I wish I ordered 24!!!

rcellio

As in individual who has reached the level of financial success to acquire this automobile, I have found that asking for opinions on any matter is never a mistake. That;s one of the reasons I've reached my level of financial success. The being able to pick and choose successfully, from the opinions offered, is also one of the reasons I can afford to buy this car. I suggest you leave philosophy to another board and stick to the subject at hand. This board is in regards to the Phaeton. I had a question. Since you're a auto salesman, why don't you answer my second question as to the definition of a "demo" car for VW and how much money is allowed to the dealer for putting the car into demo service.

rcellio

Thank you for this helpful information. I knew most of it, but I still don't know what qualifies for a demo.
Also, after calculating the figures, the lease makes much more sense than buying the car if you're planning on changing cars after 2 or 3 years. VW has an outrageously high residual available on a 3 year lease. It's overdone by about $15,000. I have calculated that even with upfront $10,000 money going away, it's better to lease for me than to buy.
6 Cars? I didn't know you had six cars, Peter. Ironically, you sold a car I was interested in on Weds. after I spoke to you on Tuesday. You must have gotten the other cars from other dealers.

vwguild2

Which PHAETON were you interested in? And, I have not done any Dealer Trades with PHAETONs...

The term "Demo" has been used by customers 'as any car that has gone on two or three Test Drives.'In the business, it is generally referred to as a vehicle that has been driven by a Dealer Principal
or Senior Manager for 4-5 months and then sold at a discount...

On another board, a customer of mine was given pricing information that was totally incorrect and impossible to obtain...not much fun for either one of us...Sadly there is no veracity meter here either.

rcellio

And what is VW's definition of Demo? The definition that allows the dealer to have an extra $3500 allowance against the car so that it can be sold at a discount when it's "demo" days are done? Is there a specific program or form that has to be filled out and filed with VW in order to enroll the car in the VW Demo program?
Thanks.

vwguild2

That would be the "Service Loaner Program"

rcellio

Thanks for the info. So just because it's been driven for 800 some miles, doesn't mean that's it's a demo that qualifies for the extra money back from VW. Right?
Thanks again,

scott31

You are being ripped. That payment is WAY too high. Read some of the previous posts to see what others are paying.

vince11

I was quoted for a 2004 Volkswagen Phaeton for 36mo/15k year with no money down $769. I have not seen the vehicle as all communication has been via e-mail, however, I assume this is for the basic model. Any constructive thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.

scott31

Do you still have to pay taxes, 1st, acq fee, etc?

If so that payment is too high.

corral

I just leased a 2004 Phaeton for 36 months 15k per year. I put a total of 2800 drive off and pay $688 per month including tac at 7.75%. The msrp is 70585 and the cap cost including acc fee is 59800. It has a 53% residual and .00030money factor. I love the car and reccomedn anyone who is thinking about this act before nov 30. I don't know if a car this great will ever be this cheap!!!

murphdog

Can you tell me who financed the lease? I am being told by the dealer that you can't have the money back from VW and go through VW for the leae. The dealer says all the other finance companies have very low residuals and high money factors. It sounds to me like they are just trying to work both ends, but why would you jeapordize the sale?

I had figured out a similar terms (36mos/45K mile) and just a little lower monthly payment, but used 56% on the residual which is what VW is offering on their $669/mo lease for their promo on base Phaetons.

corral

You can't use the 10000 incentive and any vw credit leasing. But there is quite a bit of room between invoice and msrp. Plus there is lease cash and a smaller dealer incentive. I would be glad to re check the residual when I get home I know it was written at 53% for 15,000 per year are you sure that the 53% is not for 10,00m miles per year as in the national ad? My car has the comfort package and the upgraded stereo. If the dealer is giving you trouble I could fax you a copy of my contract with out my personal info on it. If you live in the San francisco bay area I can tell you where I got it form and they would copy the deal my best friend got one yesterday for the same deal.

corral

Sorry my car is leased through vw credit tier 1 lease.

forest53

I visited a VW dealer and loved the car, however they were nowhere close to the lease deals posted in the forum, suggesting that either the dealer made a mistake or the posts were wrong. Could someone who has actually obtained one of these $600/month or less leases post the specifics of their lease including length of lease, miles per year,sticker price of car,and up front costs as well as the name and location of the dealer.
I was impressed with the car but will not pay more than $800/month Thanks for your help

corral

My car has a button for a telephone and a cord in the arm rest. No one at the dealer can answer how to hook up a phone is it blue tooth?? Help me I need a phone wired to this car. Next up why is there no accesories, I would love some allweather floor mats. And my dealer seems to have less than perfect service, I am supposed to have a comperable car when it is in for service not a compact enterprise??? I have owned the car for seven days and dislke the service. I hope things improve as I will return to lexus if not. I plan to base my service experience tomorrow on weather or not to give a favorable reccomendation to co-workers

scott31

The only dealer in DC is offering a Base Phaeton for $599 a month (1st, taxes, etc due). 3 year 12k lease.

I think that's a tad high, (got a better offer on a car with more options), but wanted to mention it.

forest53

Could you give me some details of the lease that you were able to negotiate and the dealer you got it from many thanks

vwguild2

Motorola has an accessory...IHF1000 that is a Premium Carkit with BlueTooth...You should contact your local Motorola Dealer about this...

Aftermarket products and accessories are always in short supply during the first model year of all automobiles...These items are brought to Parts Depts. based upon Customer requests and some market research...It is important to remember that they are all outsourced...Design, quantities, and specifics cannot be compiled based on whim.

The best winter, and basically all-around, mats I believe com from Macneill Automotive...
www.mats.com
These are imported from England, are pure virgin rubber...very soft and pliable...yet weigh 13#s
and each can hold a quart and half of water...$100 buys a set of 4.

I am a PHAETON Dealer and we provide a PHAETON or a Touareg as a Service Loaner. Although this is VWOA policy for the PHAETON Customer, each Dealer is an independent franchise holder and runs his/her own shop...I just happen to comply.

corral

Thanks for the advice does the motorola ihf1000 kit work with the phone button on the infotainment system? Thanks in advance.

vwguild2

I do not know...I do know that you have a 2005 Infotainment cluster
in a 2004 PHAETON...I am still working with some of my people on this issue...

corral

Yes my car is a 2004 and the infotainment system is the same as on the 2005. The sales man told me it was one of two he recieved last week and the other 3 cars he had had for a couple of months did not have a phone button. The 2005 car I saw at the san francisco auto show this weekend had the same infotainment cluster as my car. I love my car and if you are responsible for ordering cars for your dealer, the one mistske I mad was not buying the technology package, The car is hard to park and I could use the help of a sonar parking system and there is no way to close the trunk without putting hand prints on a beautifully clean car so the electric trunk would have come in handy also.

Thanks

s_vitale

where did you get it?

corral

I live in the San Francisco Bay area if you need a referral to who I bought it from please email me at twplus2is4@aol.com. The sale of the car was very easy the after sale service not.

dcowan699

Absolutely! This car has to have the technology package. Without it, you will probably hit something.

murphdog

Here it is...It took me 3 weeks and going through about 6 different dealerships (5 of which were total BS, anywhere from $725-1150 per month). I just signed today for the V8 that stickers for $72,215 (which is most of the 04's left). It has everything...Cold and Comfort, Tech Package, Keyless Access, Upgrade stereo, etc. etc.

3 year/45K mile lease, $0 down, for $649.00 (total drive off was 1st, security and doc fee= $1400.00). This is a STEAL for this car. They sold me the car for 60K, 53% residual, .0003 (.72%)money factor through VW Tier1 lease.

You have 2 options, 1.) take the 15K off list and buy the car outright or 2.) Take 6-7K off invoice and finance a lease through VW credit with the terms above. You can not do both, it's one or the other. VW gives you 3,200 incentive on the lease, and 5K on the car itself. So out of the 8,200 available on the lease, the dealer keeps a few bucks for himself. So what!!! The money factor alone makes it a non issue.

Here's the catch...the dealer will not be able to give you the 5K on in stock vehicles, they have to pull it from port. Too bad, because the dealer I am dealing with had just what I wanted on the lot, and has 3 Phaeton's that have been collecting dust on his lot for 8 months!! Now he goes and gets me what I am looking for out of port, and still can't move his inventory.

And with a $38K residual, in 3 years they will be cutting me a deal from that to buy the car outright ( I would guess another $5-8K discount). I will still turn it in anyway.

You can't get anything close to this car for this price. My brother just did a great lease on a Volvo S80 T6 for $700. Needless to say, he almost died when I told him my deal. Here's one for the good guys!!

GOOD LUCK ALL!!!

phaetonphreak

congrats on your purchase. I find your post very informative, can you let us know who the dealer is?

mickey77

Is sales tax included? Where did you do this deal?

corral

I recently got a new Phaeton, I honestly think it is one on the best cars ever built and the craftmanship exceeds cars twice it's price. The dealership I got my car from is so busy dealing in luxary used cars and smaller vw's they don't even understand how to treat a luxary car buyer. My car has several small problems that are caused from not doing a pdi on the car and they still have not been corrected. I have made 4 trips to the dealer and they still cant get it right. They allways try to push off a Jetta as a loaner car to someone who drives a 0k car. I have to say I give the dealer a 0 is service satisfaction. On the other hand Vw has a dedicated phone number to Phaeton owners and they are beond nice and helpful. They are fully knowing of all functions of the car and very willing to help. They are doing their best to resolve mhy problems. I hope vw weeds out theses dealers and stops letting them carry their flagship model. I almost think vw should make an investment in an exclusive pheaton showroom and ddealer owned by vw to seperate thinks and treat their customers like they want them treated.

murphdog

Well, the dealer (actually the sales manager)had a few surprises in store for me. First he tells me that he can't locate one in port. This is strange, because I was orginally told that he couldn't give me lease details until he knew he could get the car.

Now I'm back to square one, dealing with an in-stock car without the $5K incentive. I tell him as far as I'm concerned I signed a legally binding contract, and it's his reponsibility to deliver the car anyway he has to. He comes back with $665. I tell him that it's fine because I know he must be really talking it in the shorts.

It gets better...yesterday he tells me it doesn't inculde sales tax (5%), after I specifically told the sales guy that any quote was to reflect the fully loaded cost incuding sales tax.

So, I am waiting to see where this takes me this week. I am supposed to pick it up Friday. I am sure he is going to try to get me to back out of the deal, which I won't. He backed himself into the corner like a trapped animal, and now is trying to figure a way out.

What is it with dealers? They just can't make it easy. I was on my way to a fifth consecutive Lexus, and starting to wonder if I should still go get that LS I wanted (even at the higher cost). I thought driving this car, for substantial savings, for 3 years would be fun- then I could go back to the Lexus.

I just can't believe that a car this good would ever be available for such a discount. There is probably no precedent for such a mis-aligned car...ever.

corral

I have a 2 week old Phaeton. The car was never pre delivery inspected by the dealer. I have now made 4 trips to the dealer with one on a tow truck. I feel the car is a well crafted car but the dealer has failed me. The service mamager is rude, never returns phone calls, completes his work. When I took delivery the onstar was shut off so I could not activate it. The car has a voltage problem and many electcice accesories don't work. The car smells of sulpher so bad after driving 15 minutes at highway speeds my passengers get headaches and have to put the windows down. The rear amplifier does not work and the premium audio system is not such a priemum. The folks at vw's phaeton hotline are professional, knowlageble and willing to help. But the dealership service manager is rude unhelpful and never returns calls. The sealer general manager has no athority and no problem resolution skills. Each time I take my car in for service I have to take the car on a 40 mild one way trip and then end up in an enterprise rental Today I have a $27000 volvo s60 and not a phaeton. I was promised a vw phaeton or toureg each time I come in for service, I eas also promised door to door delivery of my serviced car. Vw had the right product and right intentions for this car. Their dealers suck an are going to ruin it for them. I have friends that drive hyundai's and Kia's and have far better service experiences. My reccomendation is even though the lease price is low, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. I would much rather have a lexus, audi, bmw, mercedes or infiniti. Not this beautifull car that is serviced by low class, low budget service people. Look carefully into the service department where you would choose to buy a car from and talk to customers. Also shop all brands and make sure you know what you are in for. I wish I had got a lexus ls430 and paid more per month for better service. Even though the vw is a better car with better engineering and carftmanship.

corral

Buy the Lexus, don't play sales games with theses people. The lexus is more reliable and has far better service.