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But they do whine, unlike the bevel-cut gears in all modern automotive transmissions. Think of a manual, in reverse.
Go figure.
OK :confuse:
How could they be trusted? So many of them post here? There is no way they come with the best interest of the consumer as their motivation. They are not trained that way.
Ahh I am building relationships with a lot consumers by earning there trust by giving he information that they are looking for when they come to my dealership. I fully disclose everything. It is to my understanding that all dealerships are supposed to be this way. I never have a problem discussing numbers with the people in front of me.
Now we are supposed to be on a public forum where we can keep identitys private if we choose. The chance of me ever working a eal with you is lets say 1 in 10 million. SO chances are you would be buying from one of my competitors. Why wouldn't I help you. The information I share here is accurate and I wouldn't want to embarras myself and I am sure any other sales person here wouldn't want to do the same thing. I can assure this much when you start firing off I think you are defeating the purpose of the board and may not get the correct information you need. Or.... Good Luck
GP
"New York teams are superior"
"Toyota is the superior import"
Assuming he did his research correctly, the could agree on a price and fax the contract. Since amad1 will never give the dealership the opportunity to finance, he will bring a check from his credit union to the dealership. He can be in and out in 30 mins.
He'd be a happy camper, and he would leave us alone.
You must be psychic, you are so accurate in your analysis.
Not true. I we agree on a price over the Internet. The next thing to do is go in and make the purchase.
The dealerships in their lust to make max profit turn the car buying expirience into a nightmare. In this fast pace world who has time to sit in stinking car dealership for 3-6 hours. People have work to do, kids to feed, cook, clean, wash and many other things.
I doesn't have to be that way. Car buying, Internet or traditional should be a pleasant expirience.
I've bought 5 new cars in the last 22 years, none of the puchasing or shopping experiences were nightmares. Also bought 2 used cars from dealers...no nightmares there either.
You know, that's a good point. I've bought 3 new vehicles in the past 3 years, and they have been pleasant experiences for the most part.
I think amad1 is partly to blame for his bad experiences. Maybe the fact that he expects bad things becomes a self fulfilling prophecy?
DO onto others as others do onto you.
GP
"New York teams are superior"
" Toyota is the superior import"
If you willing pay whatever they charge and have lots of time on your hand, then I can see how things can be pleasant for someone. Ignorance is bliss!!
The only thing bad that can happen would be paying too much for a car, whether new or used. I refuse to pay more than TMV, period.
Instead, I e-mailed her with more specifics, and asked for a quote. Again, I got a request for more info. When I called her the next day, I told her verbally what my e-mail already said. I am looking at an 09 Corolla XLE, with a few options. She didn't know that Corolla came in XLE, and didn't know it only came as an automatic. But, they have one 09 in stock, an XRS. She is going to do more research, and see what they may have coming in.
I know it's a brand new car, but why doesn't the car sales person even know what trim levels they have. And, she said she just had Toyota at their dealership yesterday to introduce the new car to them! I can hardly wait to see how this goes!
Lester
If you are talking Edmunds TMV... then that is too high.
This is very much true... This in fact shows that some people need to do research before purchasing. Perhaps in amad1's world all cars should sell for the same price.... get over it amad1 you will not be able to change anything so just stop purchasing cars and save yourself the pain.
And in some cases it is way too low
Next time while you are waiting we offer a service that would be perfect for folks just like you. We can work it into your contract for just penny's a month.
Laydown.
LOL
GP
"New York teams are Superior"
"Toyota is the superior import"
I know it's a brand new car, but why doesn't the car sales person even know what trim levels they have. And, she said she just had Toyota at their dealership yesterday to introduce the new car to them! I can hardly wait to see how this goes!
A lot of the people that are in these BDC ( Business developmant centers) Are there to get as much info that they can for you but most of them are in a room with no wondows and they don get into the cars that often. They are trained but if they don't deal with vehicles directly they may forget some things.
GP
"New York teams are Superior"
"Toyota is the superior import"
When they introduced the Echo, Celica, and MR2 roadster we started getting the cars on the lot and weeks later the ride and drive would take place. No literature on the new cars, pricing, trim levels, etc. Only the diligent (like myself) would try to get whatever information was available from the automotive press or the net. Most of my colleagues are not that motivated. They rather stand out on the lot and wait for the next "up" to drive in rather than take an hour a day to bone up on the product.
Most dealerships "Internet departments" are nothing more than call centers where people who know absolutely nothing about the car you're inquiring talk to you and try to get you to come in to the dealership. It's sad that they've taken this medium and not used it to its full advantage.
Mack :shades:
What cases would those be? My experience, and from what I've read from the salesmen here, the vast majority of the time salespeople lick their chops when someone brings in a printed copy of a price for a Edmunds TMV car.
LOL. My first thought would have been the Peanuts cartoon where Lucy is offering psychiatric help for 5 cents. Just kidding imad.
Mack
It doesn't matter, It could be KBB or NADA (both higher than Edmunds), I'm not paying more.
I'll show that mean nasty dealer! I won't pay anything more than TMV!!!
man, this guy is so funny! I've been reading this stuff for the better part of today and laughing hysterically!
-thene
There might be some truth to that with new cars because dealer holdback is not shown on Edmunds. But when it comes to used cars, they want no parts of a customer using Edmunds. They always direct you to KBB or NADA.
If you go to the dealership and look at their used cars, a lot of them put a KBB sign on them. Online, like Auto Trader, its NADA. Both NADA and KBB values are higher than Edmunds.
They want no parts of a customers using Edmunds as a guide. We're pain in the butt customers to them.
Also, they hate customer that bring in their own financing. I was email negotiations to purchase a used car, the dealer asked if I had my own financing and said yes. After that the dealer never emailed me back. I waited a couple of days, still no email.
I then called and the salesperson I was negotiating, when I asked him did he get my email he responded in rude and hostile tone.
He was a complete total A-hole. Like I have kiss his behind to get him to sale me car. He can take his car and shove it up-----blank.
Correction, YOU are a pain in the butt to deal with. Althought the number of people who have actually asked to pay TMV are minimal, they have always been nice people and I haven't run in fear from them. Big deal. At least they have given me an offer.
He was a complete total A-hole. Like I have kiss his behind to get him to sale me car. He can take his car and shove it up-----blank.
Good to hear. Sounds like you've obviously earned this treatment from the way you treat people here.
If people bring in ANY offer based on some form of fact, I would be happy. That means they are interested in purchasing a vehicle and most likely have a doable number. To turn your back on a purpose because they offer you a doable deal is just silly. It's very apparent to me that poor Amad1 has made his own bed and is now unhappy because he has to sleep in it.
-moo
I'm not quite sure what the first part is supposed to mean, obviously we agreed on a price in each case. I'm not sure if that means I paid what they charged or they sold for what I was willing to pay...
As a matter of fact I do have lots of free time. I would guess that you do to, since you seem to have time to post extensively here.
During some recent shopping, I came to believe that edmunds was too low on their used car values...at least for the 4 cylinder cars my kids were looking for. This was not basd just on shopping dealers, private party sellers also led me to the conclusion that it was going to be either go above edmunds or don't buy. One of them did get a Focus for about Edmunds "clean" value...I'd have put the car at more like between clean and average...so maybe he paid $3-400 more than edmunds claimed the car was worth...big deal, he got a car he wanted. Maybe edmunds is just wrong...the price he paid was about what KBB put it at for private party sale and he was buying from a dealer
Several years ago when gas was cheap, IIRC, I had no problem buying a used 4 cyl for edmunds TMV.
As a matter of fact I do have lots of free time. I would guess that you do to, since you seem to have time to post extensively here
If I had to guess, it obvious that, not only do you have a lot of free time, you have a lot of money to burn, where price is not an issue. Its good to be blessed financially.
But for me and many others, we're not as blessed as you are, so price is very important us, we can't afford to help salesmen with their early retirement plans.
We must spend or money practically and wisely.
Again, I can't afford to make a mistake like that. Paying 3-400k too much, according to Edmunds, is crazy.
For once, we agree.
That would be a bad mistake.
-moo
-moo
If you are convinced that whatever they charge is a rip-off, are always impatient, and would rather play with rattlesnakes than deal with a car salesman, then I could see how things would usually be rather unpleasant as well. Shoot, I might be mad too. :mad:
Oh, the huge manatee.
We all know you hate car dealerships, yet you go to them to look at used cars. Why not just buy private party? Clearly you must see some value in going to a dealership, or you a masochist.
Here are some examples.
Amazon.com (music, DVD's, books etc.)
Fandango (movie theater tickets)
Ebay (online auctions)
Netflix (online movie rentals)
Onecall (online electronics, flat panel hdtv's, digital cameras, DVD/blu ray players, home theater systems etc.)
Paypal (money transfer)
Priceline.com (online travel agency)
I use all of those sites for purchases. They always go so smooth. The trust level is very high.
If only Internet car buying (while much better than going to the lot) would go as smooth, straight forward and trustworthy the above, it would be a change that's pleasantly welcomed.
I do have a lot of money, however I prefer not to burn it (that is one reason we have a lot). I think I have done just fine conserving it on recent car purchases. I bought my 2007 Mazda6 at $5000 below MSRP...this is invoice minus a $2000 rebate minus an additional ~$1000 discount. My kid bought his used 2001 Focus, with 85K mi, for $4400. My other kid boought a used 1996 Jetta with 98K mi, from a private party, for $1800 (was known to need about $500 work). We got about a $1000 discount and 2.9% financing on the redesigned 2005.5 Jetta, when it was a brand new model...bought about 2 months after introduction.
I think I have gotten good deals and without hating the sales people or having them hate me.
As long as the transaction goes quickly and smoothly.
You get into trouble when you have a guy w/ a chip on his shoulder, or a grinder who will argue for an hour over $100. Or someone w/ bad credit who wants an A rate.
A salesperson doesn't want to waste a lot of time on a mini, whether its face to face time, or internet time.
Offer $100 over or what ever and tell them you will come today at 3:00 pm to pick the car up check in hand. Wham, bam, thank ya Mam. The deal is done. That is plus business on a new car we will take all day.
If you make that offer and drag it out for a week then they may begin to lose interest.
For instance, a few years ago I worked with a company that was doing some retail web development work for a large mattress manufacturer. Originally the manufacturer wanted the site to be a full retail site focussed on sales that would facilitate complete sales transactions. After much consideration, it was decided this did not make much sense. Customers still like to go to the store and check out the mattresses, lay on them, touch them, and so on before making the decision to buy, and a bit of haggling still occurs pretty often in furniture and related world. The site ended up being an informative online service that ultimately led the customer to retail stores. Online transactions are targeted more towards big buyers like hotels, resorts, and such. For all I know the system is still working quite well, but it is very different from the Amazon or Ebay experience.
LOL!
Lessee... my last Ebay experience. Used Buy It Now, so I paid asking price. Immediately paid through paypal. Seller sent automated email saying "thanks." 1 month goes by, no package, so I email seller. No response. Try again. No response. Complaint filed with paypal. 30 days go by, paypal says "ok, we'll give you your money back." Seller says "No wait! I'm sending package right now!" Paypal relents, allows seller to send package, I finally get it 65 days after auction ends .... WAY after xmas, for which it was supposed to be a gift and I had to buy something else for the person. All told, I'm not sure how much time this took up, but it was definitely in the "hours" range.
Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT WAY to buy a car!!!
On the other hand, I could do what I did with the last car purchase. Went to the store, test drove, spent maybe 3 hours there and drove out with a car for well under TMV and $800 more for the trade than auction value.
Hmmmm.... tough choice here!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Same with pay pal, instead of paying an extra dollar for a stamp and a money order he goes and pays 3% or whatever it is.
All he has proved is that he is willing to pay above sticker for the convenience factor.