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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    It only had the engine going in the correct direction and a real 4wd system, it would be nice. I like the box.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    It appears slightly different from what was shown at Detroit: Smaller tires? Different bumpers? Different taillights and hatch? Not sure what it is, but it appears different.

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036361

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036365

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036353

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036357

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    As of this post, there are 46 pages (x 8 images each) of new cars from the NY Auto Show. It will be updated, as new models are announced, with more pages today, I'm sure. No new Subies yet. :(

    Select latest Auto Show images, then New York.

    Bob

    http://www.wieck.com/public/index.html
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    No word yet on drivetrain. Although we'll probably know before the day's out.

    Bob
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    The Pilot is almost indistinguishable from the new CR-V IMO. Like paisan, I like the boxy Element too, but those fold-flat-into-a-bed front seats have been around since the days of the bathtub Nashes. My '63 Stude has them as well.

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Why kill a good thing? I can do the same thing with my trooper seats as well :) The Pilot looks exactly like a freekin CRV! I can tell Honda thought long and hard about that shape, have some imagination people!

    -mike
  • mhenderson1mhenderson1 Posts: 164
    The tires do seem to be a little smaller than before. What gives?
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 PAPosts: 1,089
    or is the Saturn Ion sedan looking like the new Altima from the side and rear?...like that Solstice! From the rear...the Solstice coupe has a somewhat Cheetah-ish look
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    when you see a Pilot next to a CRV, you will see the Pilot to be much larger—much like a MB E-Class, as is compared to a C-Class. Clearly Honda is trying to establish a "Honda SUV look," from model to model, just like the Germans do.

    Bob
  • nypaulnypaul Posts: 35
    Personaly, I don't care where the gas cap and filler are. I just wish the manufactures would all put them on the SAME side. That would end so much confusion at a crowded gas station!

    Paul
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    that won't happen, Paul.

    generally, most vehicles have but one outlet in the bumper for the exhaust. it's no coincidence that the gas cap is always on the opposite side of the exhaust.

    some cars do have dual exhausts with one on each side of the bumper though and I haven't seen many fires from those.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Then you would only have one side of the pumps being used at a time. Most of them have a label on the dash now so you can look and see which side it's on. I think most have it on the drivers side cause whenever I fill up with my Trooper it's on the pass side and I zip right in.

    -mike
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    paisan: I didn't mean to come across as saying the fold-flat seats were a bad idea - heck I can get the Forester's to do the same - just that Honda shouldn't try passing them off as innovation.

    Ed
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Interesting observation; I never noticed that before.

    Bob

    << generally, most vehicles have but one outlet in the bumper for the exhaust. it's no coincidence that the gas cap is always on the opposite side of the exhaust. >>
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I love the marketing departments.... Most of em are soooo ofbase it isn't funny. Don't get me started as to how sucky the Isuzu one is. They should have been marketing the inovations of the Trooper for years it was ahead of all the other SUVs (first with power retracting side mirrors '92-'02, largest moonroof of any suv on the market '92-'02, the list goes on) But nooooooo they don't even think of marketing those items.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    It's got a hole in the roof over the cargo area, for tall stuff; check out the image with the surf board sticking out the roof!

    This thing will be hot among younger buyers. Whereas the CRV may appear to be a "stuffy, old folks car" to them, this won't. I predict it will be a HUGE hit for Honda.

    Bob

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036299

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036293

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036291

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036283
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    That looks nifty, but probably rarely used, I bet a big moonroof in the front would have done them better.

    -mike
  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    Bob: You don't find the two shades of body panels ugly? And notice the return to suicide doors. I s'pose they have some way of making that safe now.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I find the looks to be refreshingly different. The colored panels break up the boxy slab sides very nicely. The vehicle, IMO, is far more interesting to look at with these colored panels. An Aztek, it is not...

    Suicide doors are common on pickups. I'm telling ya, it's going to be a huge hit!

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'd buy it before other hondahs out there, and I hate hondahs.

    -mike
  • armac13armac13 Posts: 1,129
    Truly ugly.

    Ross
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    It's interesting to note that both Honda and Subaru are showing surfers in their promotional images of the Element and Baja.

    I bet more surfers (and younger buyers) opt for the Element, and more older "Harry & Harriet homeowners" opt for the Baja.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    you're too "old" for this car. ;)

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    the VW Beetle and Chrysler PT Cruiser, you'll either love or hate the Honda Element. There will be no middle ground.

    Bob
  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    if it were free. But I'd park it in front of someone else's house.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    if you gave the keys to your kids, they'd park it in your driveway...

    ;)

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree with Bob, the two-tone Element is a bit over-the-top, but I'm older than their target buyer.

    The functionality is truly refreshing. For once, a crossover actually does something your basic station wagon does not - easy and flexible cargo hauling.

    I give Honda a big thumbs up. Isn't it refreshing to actually see some DESIGN coming out of Honda? They have a patent on "boring". The Element will be a hit with the young crowd.

    The Pilot is the polar opposite - very safe and generic looking. That's OK, I think it's understated and will appeal to people who need a minivan but want an SUV. Like my wife. That's the idea. I like it.

    Look how wide the middle seat is - truly comfy 3 across seating. The 3rd row even split folds, which the Odyssey doesn't do. The room behind the 3rd row matches the immense Navigator, even. Honda is excellent at space utilization. Thumbs up.

    $26-32 grand? On the Ody, the EX costs $2500 more, leather yet another $1500. So that's $30 grand even for an EX/leather, like the wife wants. It's a bit of a stretch, but it does come closest to meeting all of our criteria. We'll definitely check one out.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You guys see the other pics?

    Ion sedan looks weird. I see a Neon rear end grafted onto a CTS profile. Curves and creased boxy edges too mixed up. The two-tone makes it look a bit obscure, at least the sedan.

    The coupe I like much better. The overall look is more finished, consitent. Suicide doors on both sides now. Thing is you can't open the rear without opening the fronts first, so I think they're safe.

    Oh, that center dash on the Ion! It's AWFUL! Didn't they learn a lesson from the Toyota Echo? Customers rejected that like pepper spray! What were they thinking? To repeat a huge mistake like that is unimaginable!

    PT turbo gets 215hp, not bad. The Neon turbo got 205hp, so I'm a bit surprised. They need something to keep customers coming - $1000 rebates are already in place.

    Fiesta looks much improved. The last one was UGLY, with a guppy-like face. It got crushed in the market in Brazil, buyers flocked to Fiat. I doubt they'll sell it here, but it ought to help Ford recover in Brazil.

    -juice
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