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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    The current Monty uses 16" wheels, with 70 section tires. The wheels in the picture appear to be more than 1" larger than 16." In any case, the tires are much wider, and I would also assume the wheels are much wider. Those changes alone might be enough to counter any handling problems. I wonder if CR will re-test the new vehicle?

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If it's made in Japan it won't be a DSM product, at least at first. If it becomes popular, I bet you're right, they'd move production here.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Probably won't re-test it their usual MO...

    they could bump the tires up to like 275-70-16 That is what I run on the Trooper now and it is a bit more stable than it was before. Once I get my front torsion bars replaced with heavier duty ones it will have even less body roll.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They should. I usually defend them, but they should have re-tested the Trooper, and should take another look at the Montero, too. Both are reliable so even an average review would earn them a recommended rating.

    Read some text on the Nissan Murano. That thing will get more than 240hp! AWD, 7 step CVT, and 18" rims. Now there's a contender.

    The Outlander is just a "me-too" entry. Murano should offer some spunk, and a cure for the Altima's torque steer with its AWD. I hope they also fix the too-light steering of the Altima, and the notchy shifter (if they even offer a manual).

    I wonder what it'll cost, though. $30 grand is too much if it has the same interior as the Altima. At $25 grand it would be a bargain.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    It looks to be a worthy competitor for the Highlander and Pilot.

    Bob

    http://TheCarConnection.com/index.asp?article=4766&sid=176&n=156
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That isn't much of a picture. Any others out there? From that angle you can't even get an idea of the basic shape. I wonder if it'll be boxy and roomy inside.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I really like the unusual 2-tone treatment seen here, and on other concepts recently, especially that found on the new Bugatti ultra sports car.

    Bob

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036577

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036581

    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_036583

    More photos can be found here:

    http://www.wieck.com/public/index.html
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Anyone get their recent CR issue? There's a small SUV comparison of the CR-V, VUE and Liberty in there.

    Despite the improvements in the CR-V, they still complain about it's road noise *and* the Forester is still their top pick! :-) In fact, the CR-V is 4th on their list after the Forester, RAV and Santa Fe.

    Ken
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    On the subject of the Pilot. Much of Honda of late has been too much into family resemblence. The Pilot is an example. I don't dislike it and it should be a really fine ride. After all if it is a less expensive version of the MDX how can you lose? So it makes sense to let the more dynamic style stay with the MDX. It should sell very well. Price point is excellent for that class and the Highlander will get some very tough competion.

    Murano. Well it is not quite the concept car but that would have been hard ot pull off. Thank heavens that Nissan has gone from the most boring japanese company to one of the boldest. It honestly reminds me of the Porsche Cayenne. I think it is safe to say that it will be more into performance and luxury than off road capability. I think it too will do well and I see it as a real threat to the MDX and RX 300 in terms of its mid luxury status. However it has in its styling an appeal for those who really want to be noticed. Don't care for the chrome grill but other than that it is very nice. Mechanically it sounds great. Note that they call their stability system VDC?

    Honda element. Gotta love Honda for giving us the Model X just as I remember it. Very daring. I hated the styling then and I do now, but I love Honda for doing it. What I do love about it is the concept. Guess the styling helps the engineering here. Can you imagine what you can cram into that box? The suicide doors and the folding seats will make loading this thing state of the art. This is the lifestyle vehicle to the max. Practical beyond belief and price at 16 to 21 k will keep it in very short supply. TWRX
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I agree with most of what you say. The only thing I disagree on is: I DO like the styling of the Honda Element. I see it as being "pure" and to the point. It makes no pretension of being sleek or streamlined. It is exactly what it is, and nothing more; anything less would be dishonest and phony.

    Bob
  • armac13armac13 Posts: 1,129
    The Element still looks like it is made of Lego. It may be honest Lego, but Lego it is IMHO.

    Ross
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    It also reminds me of the wooden block cars you may have had when you were a toddler.

    People who think of "sleek and streamlined" as the only school of acceptable design, won't understand or appreciate this car's looks.

    You'll probably think I'm nuts, but I think some of the best designed vehicles out there are farm tractors. I feel the same about ATVs too. The design is pure and to the point. Everything is there for a reason. They're not "styled," but "designed." There is a difference...

    I subscribe to the old "Form follows Function" theory. It should be designed to make it function better, not look better.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Looks like a mini- G-wagon of course it isn't really related to it at all but reminds me of it.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wasn't that DN-X just like the Honda Dual Note concept?

    Ken: cool. Was the RAV4 ahead of the Forester? The scores look tied, so I'm wondering if they changed the order.

    twrx: yeah, the G35's stability control system is also called VDC. Guess Subaru didn't register the trade mark. Murano does look solid, and I bet it's $30 grand tops. The Cayenne is more than double that cost.

    Lego, LOL! I can appreciate what it is. At least it is distinctive in a functional way. The Aztec was (ugly as sin) distinctive, but in a non-functional way, deleting the 3rd row from the platform it was based on.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Interesting that Honda won't try to be a full-line manufacturer like Toyota has become.

    Pacifica ought to be popular. It's basically a 300M wagon with 3 rows of seats. Odd that it only seats 6, though. The Pilot will seat 8.

    If the Pilot LX is $26k, the EX will be $28.5k, and an EX with leather would be $30k. Problem is, tack on $775 for a 7/100 warranty, and add MD tax, and you're really pushing it. Plus another $500 for the tow package in my case.

    That's $32,800. No can do.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Here are some Murano photos:

    http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/cars/cars.html

    I disagree with most of the text (Mazda 6 is gorgeous, what is he talking about?), and wouldn't trust the source, but at least there is a nice collection of photos.

    The Murano isn't boxy enough. It looks small. If the price is really $30-35k it'll be eaten alive by the much bigger Pilot.

    Bob: check out the Malibu, too.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    That wagon appears to be on the extended wheelbase, that I mentioned a few days ago.

    The Murano is also a real looker. Nissan sure is on a roll theses days... Who'd a thunk it a few years ago?!

    I posted this site about a year ago, and I remember a lot of the Crew thought these were phony images.

    Bob
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    Bob I see where you are coming from with the "pure" styling. Not quite my cup of tea but I also love the fact that what you saw last year is what we are getting. I do love the interior styling. Beyond the obvious flexiblity there have got to be so many trick features in there you'd probably lose count. (It's a Honda--remember the CRV picnic table.) I don't see replacing the WRX wagon anytime soon but of the three SUV's I mentioned it is the one I would pick. 1. it has a 5 speed. 2. It is way clever. 3. no doubt the most efficient 4. cult car! 5. WOW, the price!

    Bruce (TWRX)
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    Anyone see that Honda finally has the specs on the new Civic Hybrid. I wonder about the price. Features like auto climate control sound like its features list is lock step with Toyota's Prius. Right now the Prius and the Insight are the same price but of course the Prius is more practical. Wonder how much Honda can afford to price the Civic above the Insight? I would really like to see the Subaru hybrid change from concept to reality. Can you imagine the "beauty of all wheel drive" at 50 mpg +?
    TWRX
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Apparently, Pontiac has plans to bring a restyled Holden Monaro, a Corvette-powered coupe in Australia, as the 2003 GTO for North America...

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bob: yep, but had we seen photos yet? At least not those.

    Element just needs to seat 5, that's all that's missing that is significant.

    twrx: $20 grand for the Civic hybrid. There are a few options, but not many. Still, one mag calculated it would take 10 years of driving for the fuel savings to make up for the price difference.

    But I like the range it offers - that's what's truly useful.

    GTO a go-go. Lutz is the man.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    juice, where did you get the $20k for the Civic hybrid? The Insight costs that so are they going to lower the cost of it or discontinue it?

    Questions questions

    TWRX
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,785
    and just waded thru them in one sitting. Still enjoying Williamsburg, and taking the family to Bush Gardens in the morning. Does anyone remember who posted photos of driving thru Colonial Wb in the snow??

    I still plan on going to the NY Auto Show maybe Wednesday or Thursday.

    Steve
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    that made me chuckle...
    not so much about the plate, just what it's on.
    Ford Taurus Wagon :D

    -Dave
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Pages 3 & 4 have some images from the Subie stand, with a cut-away of the new Forester.

    Bob

    http://www.autosupermart.com/ny/nyautoshow/
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    looks good, Bob. Clever the way they lightened the body. But in view of our winters here, I'm going to have to buy a model with doors on it.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    that's how they removed the 90 pounds on the new model. ;)

    Bob
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