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you make a very good point. please don't misunderstand. dealers have a right to make a profit. i would not be niave and say that they don't.
I know salesmen and dealers read and contribute to this site, so i fully expect to receive a response like yours.
cars can earn all the awards in the world. AND you are correct, the buyers set the market. as they do with all other consumable or tangible products. My point is that overall, consumers are not well educated for what they purchase. I know that's a dangerous statement. Many out there probably think I am crazy. I apologize in advance to those this offends..but i truly believe that consumers pay way more for products than they should.
this is the question with the new g35. if infiniti held MSRP for the new 2007 to just over $600 increase from the old AND "totally re-vamped" the car, in the words of the salesmen I've spoken to....then why try to charge near MSRP for the 2006? Apparently, Infiniti saw the need to remain price competitive against it's german rivals. However, the salesmen I've spoken to speak boulderdash to try to convince me that the 2006 model which was $28 or so two weeks ago, has now increased in value thousands of dollars. With the brake problems, low quality interior, etc.
Awards are marketing tools designed to improve sales of a particular item. For example, Grammy music awards are based on record sales, not necessarily the "quality" of the music. (Understanding that it's all up to the individual to determine what is good or not. it's a matter of taste). I guess the same logic applies to products.
Still, it doesn't change my mind that people consistently over pay for cars, because the dealers are stuffing the prices with tons of questionable charges. THis is proven to be true, merely due to the existance of sites like this. People are trying to share information, to minimize the amount of money that is unethically taken from them.
If we as consumers were better informed, then sellers and dealers could be held to a higher standard and the boulderdash reduced significantly. I've walked into many, many dealerships over the past few months. All but ONE tried illegal, unethical and decietful ways to get money out of me. I just left a BMW dealership that I had to threaten with legal action; still, this dealership is trying to sell me a defective car for $6k more than KBB (car dealer and industry provided values - can you say "mark-up", still) says its worth.
I'm working with the ONE now, hoping to come to a price I can handle and move forward with building a decent customer relationship with it.
Sorry for the long answer..Still, best wishes.
One or two years ago, profit in some US SUVs was over 10K. Labor contracts force production of such vehicles today in spite of reduced demand. You can find some SUVs at 10-16K off MSRP. That is real savings today but not a real "fair value" or "industry provided value" compared to last year.
Check sales numbers at nissannews.com and see the trucks saving the cars. Thus the current factory incentives and lease deals for remaining 06 base sedans. When you decide what car you want, you should be able to cut a fair and valid deal with a few e-mails if you show good faith.
Dec - order
Jan - build
late Feb or March - delivery.
I think April might be a bit long.
Same car with exact same options have same M.S.R.P. but
selling price is negotiable.
Of course, new car dealers should make fair profit on their
cars. Unfortunately not every car is popular. So on some popular models they make tons of profit and some they will
sell for very low profit. That's just the way it is.
Remember a dealer makes profit not just on car itself,but
also on financing and accessories etc.. Sometimes they will
make more profit in financing than car itself.
Some people just have to have the latest toy or a great new
car. I usually wait until demand is not so high. Remember,
some people paid $3 to 5 thousand over sticker on Miata when
it first came out! It's just insane.
If you have patience, usually you will be rewarded.
very good points. basic economics of supply and demand can rule....i'd be crazy to say it doesn't.
still doesn't tell me how the same car G35x three days ago, with the same demand has increased in price by $4 - 5K. I think that's a bit more than supply and demand.
And by the way, I have it from a couple of people in the dealerships that there very much is collusion to an extent. It sounds crazy, but it definitely exists.
Bottom line is what was said above. I will have to pick another car, because this one is too hot. I've decided not to pay more than $28k for the car. So, I'm priced out of the market. Hopefully, I can find something else I like that will not force me to spend more than is reasonable for me. I had hoped for a base model with a sunroof, nothing more. I should also add that there are dealer incentives....
anyhow, i appreciate all the input. I hope there are more people out there with opinions.
I would close by saying this - we should not be so easily separated from our money..
best.
"the yogiowner"
Econ 101 - supply and demand can be mitigated by informed consumers. suppliers cannot charge, what demanders/buyers will not pay. simple econ 101 is not as simple as one would think. marketplace dynamics change daily, thus our conversation about how to get what we want without losing our shirts (unless we want to get soaked - smile)
If we could speak seasoned employees who work for the manufacturers, etc. we would learn how many thousands we are truly overpaying by.
One bean counter's opinion...
What has been your experience with Infiniti's service reliability, maintenance etc? Is the Infiniti a reliable vehicle?? :confuse:
05 Infiniti G35 for almost 2 yrs and so far so good.
In terms of overall reliability, Honda or Toyota/Lexus
might be scored higher than Nissan/Infiniti. It also depends
on which model. On infiniti vehicles, G35,M35/45,FX35/45
scored very well in reliability. I've owned Toyotas and Honda also. Toyotas are generally very reliable and easy
to maintain.
In terms of maintenance, I am satisfied with Infiniti service in general. Lexus usually scores high in reliability and service experiences but it may cost higher
than Infiniti for dealer service/maintenance. For simple
services like oil-change, I can also go to Nissan dealer
in my area, which will cost a little less than Infiniti
dealer.
To summarize, Yes I think overall Infiniti is reliable vehicle. However, like other manufacturer, it varies between
models. I usually wait one or two years when brand new model
of vehicle comes out before purchasing. For 07 G35, it is
a new model,however major mechanics are similar to previous
year models so reliability should be pretty good.
I am not an Infiniti salesperson, but just curious as to why a 2006 G35 would not be worthy of your consideration and what other makes/models would you be considering?
At about the same MSRP, a 2006 based model G35 with sunroof is certainly attainable for $28k right now, whereas a 2007 will set you back about $34k. To me, the 2006 is truly a bargain, and it is only possible because the new model has come out. For $28k, I think you will be hard pressed to find a better choice in this category.
:confuse:
Also does anyone have information on the Infiniti interest rates now? I know in Oct they were offering 3.95/60Month for coupes but the site no longer states that. Thanks.
supply is limited and these guys in my area have hiked the price up, now that the 2007 model is out.
so it's not that i don't want the car, it's just that i won't be fleeced.
this was the rate till last saturday....it might or might not be the same currently...check with the dealer
depreciation = (cap cost - residual)/term
In your case, cap cost is 32916
residual = 37940*0.79=29972
so depreciation = (32916-29972)/12 = 245.33
Rent = (cap cost + residual)*money factor
in your case (32916+29972)*0.00006=3.77 (I think your money factor is too low. should be 0.0006 which will make your rent 37.7)
So grand total is 245.33+37.7 = 283.03
but you did not say anything about sales tax. I assumed that it is like California where sales tax is add to the monthly payment based on the payment itself. If you have the sales tax as well (e.g 8.5%), then your payment is 307 a months. So the couple will cost you roughly 407 a month when you factor in all the up front cost (1200) that you pay. It is a pretty good deal. When the Couple first come out a few year back, I priced one out to almost 600 a months after factor in all the up front cost...
A few years ago, while I was hanging around the Infiniti dealership, the fleet salesman told me that I could get a better price working directly with him. I don't know if that's true but it makes sense since every party involved in the transaction makes a profit. I have no idea how much the Costco buying service makes. However, I do know that they are not part of Costco, they're an outside vendor.
BTW, which dealership in the Bay Area did you talk to?
i'm looking for a dealer that has a good service department and is all around quality dealership.
thanks.
this a decent decent price?
I pick it up tomorrow.
Anyway, here's the New Jersey deal.
Premium Pac
Splash Guards
Cargo net
Fees: 1st month,Bank,DMV, blah,blah,blah.... $1,650
MSRP $36,850
42 months
$500/ month
Good or Bad????
I should have at least got the Tech pac.
I was in a bit of a rush for the car, otherwise I would have waited.
enjoy your new wheels!!
They had some kind of marketing/sales instruction semimar in new jersey last week. The dealers - spoke to have a stronger swagger than ever....
I pick it up tomorrow.
Anyway, here's the New Jersey deal.
Premium Pac
Splash Guards
Cargo net
Fees: 1st month,Bank,DMV, blah,blah,blah.... $1,650
MSRP $36,850
42 months
$500/ month
Good or Bad????
I should have at least got the Tech pac.
I was in a bit of a rush for the car, otherwise I would have waited.
I think you could have negotiated more on the MSRP....which dealership did you lease from? TIA
yeah, that's the best thing to do instead of getting excited and throwing ur money away.....
that makes OTD = MSRP(with options & destination)+ TTL
what am i missing??
TIA
I got my G35x through Flemington Infiniti off Route 202 in NJ. Again, they gave me slightly more than $1000 below sticker. They luckily had my exact car on the lot. Downpayment on Saturday, pick up on Monday. They were really great to work with.
there are three dealerships in new jersey who have premium package and navigation systems in the car. i saw them personally a couple of days ago; (assuming that they weren't sold yet) color might be an issue.
thanks guys for tolerating my entries. i'm buying an 03 Audi A6 2.7. the price is right and it's in excellent condition.
I love the G, but it's priced way too outrageously for me.
best wishes guys! i'm off to bother the audi owners forum now!
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