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I have read your comments in this forum for a while. I am disappointed that you continue to criticize each other's decision to obtain a truck that differs from YOUR opinion as to the best one. I do not care which one is best, or even better. It's only a TRUCK! It is NOT a golden calf to make a god out of. Let's see some good come out of this open discussion. Respect each other's opinion. I would like to see how long this discussion continues before it becomes a repeat of truck-bashing. It won't last long... If you want to criticize my comments, fine. I will not engage in reciprocating false innuendos that tend to boast ignorance. Trust participants to make their own decisions about what they want. Good or bad, THEY are the only ones who must live with their decisions. It takes a big man to just walk away...Thanks for letting me vent. Good luck with your discussions.
OK all together now ... hug your monitor and say, "Forgive me if I made you feel bad about your truck." Do you feel better yet? In fact why don't all the Dodge people write what they like about the Silverados, and all the Silverado people write what they like about the Dodges. I'll go first ... here's my list ... 1) The Solar Yellow paint
I have the Chevy drop-in liner. I like it. Without the thin foam mat underneath, it could rub some paint off, but at least there is still lots there if you do want to look at it. I stick a wet mop under there from time to time to clean out underneath. Still looks good. My drop in was already in the truck when I bought, so I took it anyway. To do over again, I would put that foam liner inbetween that I was telling you about. They carry it at truck accessory shops.
With the spray-in liners, the paint gets sanded away. Bye Bye!
I was told that there needed to be air between the liner and bed to keep moisture down. If you introduce a foam pad, won't that increase water retention and lead to rust?
I think I just made my decision...nobody is sanding my bed down. Quad,..My other bed liners didn't have the mat...and yes they wore a few small spots off... I've never heard of the mat thing?
JC,
The hug didn't work....I still dislike Dodge.
I got a personal E-mail from the boss saying cut it out on edmunds.
Hey, Rocles - if you're still out there, tell us the rest of the story from your 21 July posting.
You didn't make any comment about the Dodges you own & have owned in your roofing biz. What's up? Pretty clear the Chevy's didn't hold up for you & the Ford's did. What about the Dodges?
P.S. - I wouldn't use only your experience as a contractor as the basis for judging all pickups for those 95% of us that don't use them for contractor use. i.e. - if the Chevy is "softer", maybe that's what the avg. guy wants? Maybe it doesn't have to be so tough since most guys don't use 'em that way?
Forget the hug thing- I don't do that with guys. You dislike dodge, I dislike chevy. I can live with that. Actually I dislike certain aspects of all three. I just find the dodge the least objectionable at this time. I like chevys brakes and thier engines aren't too bad either for the most part.
I guess I don't ramble on about my roofing firm because I've said it before. Most guys probably get tired of hearing a slack-jawed roofer put his two cents in. I think it does matter that my firm uses and abuses these trucks because it gives me a different perception. Style and figures on paper sound good but I need it to WORK. You are correct however, most won't ever use their trucks like I do so I guess my opinion doesn't matter. Actually, the Dodges in our fleet have held up fairly well with no major problems. They have cost more over the years than the Fords but above the lowly Chevy. You have to understand one thing: I grew up a Chevy fan. Our first five trucks were 4 Chevys and one Ford. Over the years, I started to notice the overall quality difference between the two and it broke my heart to admit it ten years ago. The difference is even wider when 3/4, one ton and over are considered. We have had roughly 75 trucks go through here with a current stock of 32 light trucks and 4 heavy dutys. When I say heavy I mean Macks and Freightliners; when referring to lights--anything under three tons. Our trucks vary because of our crews and accounts that vary as well. Shingling and tar jobs generally only get the half or 3/4 ton trucks. Major construction or industrial are larger jobs for larger trucks. Keep in mind that we make money for demolition as well. Unfortunately for you, bmann, you asked. I can offer more info if you so desire but right now, I'm tired of typing.
Thanks Quad. I've never heard of that concept...but if it works and still breaths..cool!
I stopped at the chevy dealer and my salesman actually told me to buy a duraliner for half price (compared to GM) at a place down the road instead of the duraliner that says Chevy on it. Go Figure. I'm sure GM does charge more for their stuff. I've decided drop in...now just where to buy....hmmmmm.
cdean, You have me thinking too hard. Well I can state this: we never had a Dodge before a 95model. The only reason we started to buy them was because of my partner's crooning for the "perty" truck. He kept babbling about their look and didn't stop harassing me about them until I broke down to shut him up. Personally, I thought of it as a great test to stick in the bandwagon buyers faces who followed their tongues in droves to the dealers when the new style was introduced. Never bought the older models due to bad rumors and truths of the old Rams and Chrysler quality. The Chevys and GMCs, which I lump together when talking brands, ranged from 75? to 95. The bigger of disappointments were the 95s. Mislabeled rears with three rebuilt trannys on two with many steering problems. With the Rams, it is always little but annoying problems. Not so with the GMs which would constantly give us fits. One truck that sticks out is the 88 2500. Bought new, the block was a poor cast and was already cracked around the fifth cylinder. After automatic GM replacement(warranty-duh), wiper motor died @20kmiles, lost compression in another cylinder(cause never found), leaf spring mounting bolts snapped on passenger side under limit load capacity, brakes wearing out every 15k and a host of other problems. We also had nightmares from the early 80's. There just was always SOMETHING going wrong with the damn things. Hell, I can't even remember because I have chosen to block it from memory in order to lower my blood pressure. I kept going back because of dealer incentives and they were good to us as a dealer. Those 95s were the proverbial straws that broke the camel's back. Don't get me wrong, the Fords weren't perfect. The Fords of the eighties always went through brakes like it was water. We also always had something leaking from them but never a serious problem--just a mess. I would say that it wasn't so much that the Fords were great-they just didn't give us any headaches like the others. In my buisness that's extremely important. I fix roofs not trucks. Lately, it seems that all three have pulled tighter but I won't budge on my prejudice against Chevy, it needs a few years to build back my confidence. cdean, I know your a Chevy fan and you have valid reasons such as engine choices, interior upgrades, handling progress,etc.., but I'm scorned. This is only my opinion which it can vary from person to person. Although every night when I leave, that original Ford of the first five trucks(other 4 being Chevy), 1979 F-250, is still there. Sure it has had a few wheel bearings replaced, but still there. Hmmm, reminds me of that bearing problem we had with a 95 Chevy......... Sorry, typing killing me again. cdean, I can get more specific with models if you like just give a holler.
Has anyone noticed Meredith gets to use BOLD type face to yell at us while the rest of us lowly, worm sniffing peons are stuck with this lame little editing window ?? No wonder we rant and rave all day long. <*** sigh ***>
I bet she gets to drive a Mack or a Freightliner too . . . . I like that in a forum moderator !!! Shows guts.
Oh, I could go on about this GMC 3500 of 85.....Forgot about that one as well. Got to remember, so many trucks and too much beer makes my head swim. Sometimes I need to come up for air when trying to remember the past. I know: typical roofer, right? Thank God I don't scale them much now!
come on timmy pooh it was not that bad. Renonevada .... I'll jump in on what you said. What you said makes perfect sense for real life issues. I really don't think any of us are to serious, just giving each other a hard time. I don't take keys to chevys. It's not always about "mines better than yours" it's about our real life, believe it or not, experiences. Plenty of us have walked away from less than honest service managers and this is a nice way of blowing steam off. I had a bad experience with a Chevy yet I do realize they make a few good ones. I would even drink a beer with tim as long as he didn't sit to close. No gods here, but we are proud of the vehicles that we have worked hard to own. Much knowledge has come from false innuendos. Ignorance is only created by people who believe the innuendos. I don't think anyone from either side believes the other side. This is Dodge vs Chevy topic not I think your car is real pretty. Vent, go ahead, thats what we are doing.
-one good thing about the chevy when my bed fell into four parts it still ran.
See, it took a Silverado owner (that would be Quad . . .) to figure out how Meredith of the Great and Powerful Porch did it. No Dodge guys had the answer; they didn't even come close.
Quad - html code upgrade will be the first thing I have my dealer re-flash IF my Silverado ever actually needs to go back to the dealer for service.
Help me out here. I am actually opening the door for you guys to bash me. As I said many postings ago, I previously only purchased toyotas and that week Tundra pissed me off and I had to leave Toyota.
I looked at all of the trucks and the Dodge fit me. I asked A LOT of people on the street driving Dodges and recieved only I LOVE MY DODGE stories. I have had NO issues with my dodge and actually love it.
Where does all of this hate for dodge come from? I am new to American trucks and find it interesting how much you guys hate other brand name trucks. Dodge sells a lot of trucks each year. I refuse to believe that the only reason people buy them is because they are pretty. From what I am seeing all American trucks have their issues.
What's up with the bad rap. Is the number of respondents less representative of the true popoulation? Or what?
If Dodge is soooo bad why did ford bite the grill on their new super duties?
OK, LET THE BASHING BEGIN! Even you can sing out mgdvhman.
Tim had a bed liner in our 95, after a couple of years I was really surprised to find the amount of paint that had been worn off from the liner moving around in the bed. Maybe the foam will help this problem, but I know if the bedliner is in for any lengh of time, you will not want to remove it. Even after the paint was worn off, the Dodge would still run.
trucklover: Hey! thats not hate of Dodge, thats the green-eyed monster peeking thru. They are just very jealous of our hideous looking, low tech, boring interior, butt stomppin, over-powered, high MPG, trucks.
Just trunnin the Flame up a bit.
I thing there must be some truths in the lies, right?
As for the liner....I'm sure it rubs off some paint....but better than sanding and etching the whole bed I'd imagine? Only going to have it for 2 years and then buy another new one...so let the next guy worry about it!
Flame away boys.....Interesting to see how farr this catagory carries on if I don't contribute?
I've made my point...Chevrolet is just plain better....and Dodge and performance have nothing to do with each other. Gettin' tired of saying the same things.
I'm with you. I think Dodges get bashed unfairly. They get outsold by about 5:1 or 10:1. That means you get kicked around more easily because the other owners here out-number you. Just normal bantering. Get your shots in.
What I like about the Dodge in addition to styling, is the interior space, the leather bench seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, Cummins engine, those optional cab-over running lights, lots of stuff really. The engines are smooth and powerful, a little fuelish, but strong and long lasting.
Remember, any truck can be the right truck if the price is right. Right now, Dodge has better incentives going, and let's face it, money counts.
And even if you don't count money, it still rates good against anything made in '97 or '98. Not exactly bad.
I honestly don't think there are any major problems or issues with Dodges that affect everyone. I read more into the little frustrations. This plastic piece broke off. It's junk! That knob broke. I had to take it in 3 times to get the vent to open, etc.
It takes a while to build loyalty when you start out so far behind in sales. I think Dodge will have a hard time topping the styling of their truck if they deviate far from the Freightliner image next time they update. If they put the mercedes engines into the next one, it will still have its critics. But it won't affect the truck or its owners.
And remember this. There is still a bit of jealousy for some, about the styling. Dodge has it covered. Ford thought it important enough to copy it. Chevy wanted no risk, and decided instead to ignore. Toyota wants no risk either, so they copy Ford, right down to the oval them, even calling it T150 at first, Tundra later after Ford threatened back.
So enjoy your truck. Now back to the bantering. Dodge sucks! Toyota sucks! Ford sucks! Chevy rules!
Thanks. I think i more fully understand your beef. Doesn't sound like you ever owned a decent GM product. I, on the other hand, am a fan of GM cuz i have seen them bouncing across ranches, hauling heavy loads all over south texas without any probs at all. I don't beef Ford at all. I've seen mostly in industry is late 80's early 90's Fords which almost all gave great service, except for ALL the powerstokes after '94 that went thru expensive injector problems.
Well i can't explain it. I just haven't seen those types of problems from any year span from GM. one company i worked for bought a bunch of '94 and '95 GM diesel ton and a half trucks, and they sent back most of them with the electric fuel pump probs and a few other probs like brakes and tranny. it broke the boss's confidence as well, as he has bought nothing but Powerstrokes since then. of course, he learned his lesson with those as well, and trades them in before 100K miles.
I can't worry about bold type anymore - according to kcram I may have committed the ultimate screw-up and called Meredith a girl when she thinks she is a guy. I hoped I don't get bounced off this forum - everything I know about my Truck comes from here; the Chevy manual is useless. (still doesn't explain the pre-occupation with testosterone however . . .)
Also - maybe the Dodge/Silverado post was a veiled compliment - from the eye level view of a 5 or 6 year old that's probably what those nameplates look like. Those dodges sit very high, even in stock running gear . . . :{
cdean, Won't argue the powerstroke issue-that's why we have recently have gotten some Rams with Cummins for our stake bodies. I've heard the same problems.I won't say every GM product has done poorly-it's just that the majority have and it tends to make your taste for them go sour.
I bought a 1997GMC Sierra Z71. The driver`s leather seat is so uncomfortable and leans to the right so bad, that I am considering a Dodge. Also, I have had it with all the rattles within the 3rd door. I bought this vehicle brand new and have had no luck with fixing the problem.
Do you realize that the guy that started all this hub-bub (jknecht) some 362 posts ago has NEVER posted back once to let us know if even bought a stinking new truck at all !!! And the funny part is he was "on the fence" over Dakota v.s. Silverado. Hello . . . ??? Maybe he bought a Hum-V.
Meredith (who we still don't the exact gender of . . .) had to jump in and cool things down for the first time at post #26 and it's been a fur-fight ever since.
jknecht, wherever you are - GO BUY A SILVERADO !! It's B-I-G-G-E-R than a Dakota - You will like it, it will haul things and go fast and stop good and use gasoline just like the other trucks - Try and steal the radio from the dodge however, they sound better.
I agree. I miss bashing you about how ugly and soft your little girl chevy is and you attempting to justify that Silverado. It's no fun if we don't bash. what did meredith write in your e mail message? a death threat?
You have been silent since. If the topic is going to die then it should die the right way, bashing.
ggrrchrunch!!!!! (That's my Black Dodge, Making your Chevy cry in fear!)
I still duke with the best of 'em....problem is Dodge ain't the best of 'em.
Get's boring when you have no competition. You guys can't seem to keep this going without me...so it will die. It's a shame you actually believe all the crap that Dodge crams down your throat.
There you go with Timmy Pooh again.....are you a rammer too now?
I'm not your type......look up trucklover...he seems to have his eye on your type.
Dodge and Performance have nothing to do with each other.
They have the Cummins....a very good engine. Although I give a hoot about Diesels..it is a good engine. GM has a whole new line of engines coming out soon....but Dodge has the advantage there for now. However diesels are such a small percent..that it really doesn't give Dodge any advantage over GM when you look at the whole fleet. Dodge Loses Again.
Dodge does sit higher. Seems everyone I talk to says they look too stupid that high with small tires. Only people that say not are the Dodge owners themselves.(which since Dodge is #3 in sales...I guess more people think they are stupid than people who say they look good) The 1/2 Dodge sits about as high as a 3/4 Chevy. The 3/4 Dodge is even higher. I'm 6'3 and I found it harder to get into my friends 2000 Dodge 3/4. My 3/4 Chevy is just about right if you were not going to put running boards or nerf bars. Now do these Dodge Frames sit any higher?...I doubt it.
When you look at the real Facts (which is what I preach) vs. High School mentality bashing (Dodge style)...I see no other Advantage for Dodge. We can joke that One truck is going to crunch over another...but we all know that is not true. Perhaps you KNOW you have # 3 and just have nothing else to say?
You keep harping on this lack of dodge history. There are less older dodges around than ford or chevy because there was a lot less sold. I have noticed that the ones I see around my area (northern illinois), they have a lot less rust than either ford or chevy. Chevys do seem to rust a lot.
As rare as it is for me to defend Tim, I don't agree that GM trucks rust a lot (at least not the 88-98 versions). I have an 88 GMC that refuses to rust. And I have yet to see any of that generation with considerable rust. I live in Massachusetts (the winter road salt capital of the world) and they still hold up. If they were still making that style I probably would have ordered another. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to be happy with my too high, underpowered, non-performance oriented 310 hp V10.
I agree about the 88-98 style....Mine just started showing rust lately..(88 Chevy) I don't plan to keep them that long anymore...but it all depends on how you take care of them I guess?...maybe not....In Michigan we get tons o salt too...and I took minimal care of mine...and it is holding up great.
Yes I will keep harping on the lack of history. Dodge only has a few years of making trucks in any descent numbers..(which is still way behind Ford and Chevy). Some years for God awefull Dodge creations like the Ram Charger were literally a couple thousand made.....A COUPLE THOUSAND MADE! Since 94 is the only time they have had good sales...and before that it was really depressing.....How can they be the leader when they don't really even have much experience making trucks at all? Ford and Chevy have had pretty much steady truck sales over the years. They know what it's all about. They all are good overall and get the Job done. But when the Facts are presented...Ford and Chevy are the leaders.....so guess who is the follower? About the only stink 99/00 Silverado owners may get is the styling is similar to the old one. Let's see what happens when Dodge changes their style from the current body that is the only body that ever sold. (IF they even stray far from it) Swamee says....it stays pretty damn similar. It's like they used all their talent in one design? The smaller trucks have to look exactly like the Big ones? Real Original Guys!
While this is my personal opinion....it is also the facts. Can't change that.
About the only thing that isn't a fact...is our decision on what is the best looking. That is to each of us a personal opinion....None right or wrong.
Yes..Dodge has come along way...But the leader??...I think not.
Never said that dodge was the leader. They are better for some people that's all just like ford or chevy. When I mentioned rust on older models I was talking about trucks over 10 years old not all '88 to '98. As far as the dakota borrowing from the ram stying, why not it obviously is popular ( give 'em what they want ).
You keep talking about how many more fords & chevys that have been sold..... I'm a little confused about your point. In mass production of any product there is usually a correlation between quality and quantity. One goes up the other goes down..... Look at Japan and the national problem they had with mass production. Look at the million of ronco internal egg scramblers that were sold. Quality no...good marketing yes. Being a leader is having others follow. Markets are usually change by new competers with new ideas. How much has the truck market changed since 94?
What happened to the 5.7 L. chevy engine. I have it in my 1990 truck which has 165,000miles. Looking to buy a 2000 truck 1/2 ton and all I can get is the 5.3 L. Seems like a much smaller engine? Why can't you get the 6.0L in a 1/2 ton? Does the new 5.3 outperform the 5.7L, I pull a 2500 lb boat all the time. Thanks
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I was somewhere in between. You get the GM drop in?
JC,
Paint sanded?..acid etched?...what you talking about?
In fact why don't all the Dodge people write what they like about the Silverados, and all the Silverado people write what they like about the Dodges. I'll go first ... here's my list ...
1) The Solar Yellow paint
With the spray-in liners, the paint gets sanded away. Bye Bye!
I was told that there needed to be air between the liner and bed to keep moisture down. If you introduce a foam pad, won't that increase water retention and lead to rust?
JC,
The hug didn't work....I still dislike Dodge.
I got a personal E-mail from the boss saying cut it out on edmunds.
so guess we gotta meet at some bar?
You didn't make any comment about the Dodges you own & have owned in your roofing biz. What's up? Pretty clear the Chevy's didn't hold up for you & the Ford's did. What about the Dodges?
P.S. - I wouldn't use only your experience as a contractor as the basis for judging all pickups for those 95% of us that don't use them for contractor use. i.e. - if the Chevy is "softer", maybe that's what the avg. guy wants? Maybe it doesn't have to be so tough since most guys don't use 'em that way?
I guess I don't ramble on about my roofing firm because I've said it before. Most guys probably get tired of hearing a slack-jawed roofer put his two cents in.
I think it does matter that my firm uses and abuses these trucks because it gives me a different perception. Style and figures on paper sound good but I need it to WORK. You are correct however, most won't ever use their trucks like I do so I guess my opinion doesn't matter.
Actually, the Dodges in our fleet have held up fairly well with no major problems. They have cost more over the years than the Fords but above the lowly Chevy. You have to understand one thing: I grew up a Chevy fan. Our first five trucks were 4 Chevys and one Ford. Over the years, I started to notice the overall quality difference between the two and it broke my heart to admit it ten years ago. The difference is even wider when 3/4, one ton and over are considered.
We have had roughly 75 trucks go through here with a current stock of 32 light trucks and 4 heavy dutys. When I say heavy I mean Macks and Freightliners; when referring to lights--anything under three tons. Our trucks vary because of our crews and accounts that vary as well. Shingling and tar jobs generally only get the half or 3/4 ton trucks. Major construction or industrial are larger jobs for larger trucks. Keep in mind that we make money for demolition as well.
Unfortunately for you, bmann, you asked. I can offer more info if you so desire but right now, I'm tired of typing.
I can live with that..I guess.
The town hall manager has informed me that some of my posts have been removed....oh well.
Guess we need to set up our own forum where all things fly!
- Tim
I stopped at the chevy dealer and my salesman actually told me to buy a duraliner for half price (compared to GM) at a place down the road instead of the duraliner that says Chevy on it. Go Figure. I'm sure GM does charge more for their stuff. I've decided drop in...now just where to buy....hmmmmm.
Lemme know about that mat.
- Tim
whenever you recover, of course....
You have me thinking too hard. Well I can state this: we never had a Dodge before a 95model. The only reason we started to buy them was because of my partner's crooning for the "perty" truck. He kept babbling about their look and didn't stop harassing me about them until I broke down to shut him up. Personally, I thought of it as a great test to stick in the bandwagon buyers faces who followed their tongues in droves to the dealers when the new style was introduced.
Never bought the older models due to bad rumors and truths of the old Rams and Chrysler quality. The Chevys and GMCs, which I lump together when talking brands, ranged from 75? to 95. The bigger of disappointments were the 95s. Mislabeled rears with three rebuilt trannys on two with many steering problems. With the Rams, it is always little but annoying problems. Not so with the GMs which would constantly give us fits. One truck that sticks out is the 88 2500. Bought new, the block was a poor cast and was already cracked around the fifth cylinder. After automatic GM replacement(warranty-duh), wiper motor died @20kmiles, lost compression in another cylinder(cause never found), leaf spring mounting bolts snapped on passenger side under limit load capacity, brakes wearing out every 15k and a host of other problems. We also had nightmares from the early 80's. There just was always SOMETHING going wrong with the damn things. Hell, I can't even remember because I have chosen to block it from memory in order to lower my blood pressure.
I kept going back because of dealer incentives and they were good to us as a dealer. Those 95s were the proverbial straws that broke the camel's back.
Don't get me wrong, the Fords weren't perfect. The Fords of the eighties always went through brakes like it was water. We also always had something leaking from them but never a serious problem--just a mess. I would say that it wasn't so much that the Fords were great-they just didn't give us any headaches like the others. In my buisness that's extremely important. I fix roofs not trucks.
Lately, it seems that all three have pulled tighter but I won't budge on my prejudice against Chevy, it needs a few years to build back my confidence.
cdean, I know your a Chevy fan and you have valid reasons such as engine choices, interior upgrades, handling progress,etc.., but I'm scorned. This is only my opinion which it can vary from person to person. Although every night when I leave, that original Ford of the first five trucks(other 4 being Chevy), 1979 F-250, is still there. Sure it has had a few wheel bearings replaced, but still there. Hmmm, reminds me of that bearing problem we had with a 95 Chevy.........
Sorry, typing killing me again. cdean, I can get more specific with models if you like just give a holler.
I bet she gets to drive a Mack or a Freightliner too . . . . I like that in a forum moderator !!! Shows guts.
I'll pay $20.00 to see the deleted posts . . .
Renonevada .... I'll jump in on what you said. What you said makes perfect sense for real life issues. I really don't think any of us are to serious, just giving each other a hard time. I don't take keys to chevys. It's not always about "mines better than yours" it's about our real life, believe it or not, experiences. Plenty of us have walked away from less than honest service managers and this is a nice way of blowing steam off. I had a bad experience with a Chevy yet I do realize they make a few good ones. I would even drink a beer with tim as long as he didn't sit to close. No gods here, but we are proud of the vehicles that we have worked hard to own. Much knowledge has come from false innuendos. Ignorance is only created by people who believe the innuendos. I don't think anyone from either side believes the other side. This is Dodge vs Chevy topic not I think your car is real pretty. Vent, go ahead, thats what we are doing.
-one good thing about the chevy
when my bed fell into four parts it still ran.
Quad - html code upgrade will be the first thing I have my dealer re-flash IF my Silverado ever actually needs to go back to the dealer for service.
Dodge
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Ok, I think I get it . . .
I looked at all of the trucks and the Dodge fit me. I asked A LOT of people on the street driving Dodges and recieved only I LOVE MY DODGE stories. I have had NO issues with my dodge and actually love it.
Where does all of this hate for dodge come from? I am new to American trucks and find it interesting how much you guys hate other brand name trucks. Dodge sells a lot of trucks each year. I refuse to believe that the only reason people buy them is because they are pretty. From what I am seeing all American trucks have their issues.
What's up with the bad rap. Is the number of respondents less representative of the true popoulation? Or what?
If Dodge is soooo bad why did ford bite the grill on their new super duties?
OK, LET THE BASHING BEGIN! Even you can sing out mgdvhman.
had a bed liner in our 95, after a couple of years I was really surprised to find the amount of paint that had been worn off from the liner moving around in the bed. Maybe the foam will help this problem, but I know if the bedliner is in for any lengh of time, you will not want to remove it. Even after the paint was worn off, the Dodge would still run.
trucklover:
Hey! thats not hate of Dodge, thats the green-eyed monster peeking thru. They are just very jealous of our hideous looking, low tech, boring interior, butt stomppin, over-powered, high MPG, trucks.
Just trunnin the Flame up a bit.
I thing there must be some truths in the lies, right?
wildman
Flame away boys.....Interesting to see how farr this catagory carries on if I don't contribute?
I've made my point...Chevrolet is just plain better....and Dodge and performance have nothing to do with each other. Gettin' tired of saying the same things.
Enjoy!
- The retired Wrath of Tim
What I like about the Dodge in addition to styling, is the interior space, the leather bench seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, Cummins engine, those optional cab-over running lights, lots of stuff really. The engines are smooth and powerful, a little fuelish, but strong and long lasting.
Remember, any truck can be the right truck if the price is right. Right now, Dodge has better incentives going, and let's face it, money counts.
And even if you don't count money, it still rates good against anything made in '97 or '98. Not exactly bad.
I honestly don't think there are any major problems or issues with Dodges that affect everyone. I read more into the little frustrations. This plastic piece broke off. It's junk! That knob broke. I had to take it in 3 times to get the vent to open, etc.
It takes a while to build loyalty when you start out so far behind in sales. I think Dodge will have a hard time topping the styling of their truck if they deviate far from the Freightliner image next time they update. If they put the mercedes engines into the next one, it will still have its critics. But it won't affect the truck or its owners.
And remember this. There is still a bit of jealousy for some, about the styling. Dodge has it covered. Ford thought it important enough to copy it. Chevy wanted no risk, and decided instead to ignore. Toyota wants no risk either, so they copy Ford, right down to the oval them, even calling it T150 at first, Tundra later after Ford threatened back.
So enjoy your truck. Now back to the bantering.
Dodge sucks!
Toyota sucks!
Ford sucks!
Chevy rules!
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
Thanks. I think i more fully understand your beef. Doesn't sound like you ever owned a decent
GM product. I, on the other hand, am a fan of GM cuz i have seen them bouncing across ranches, hauling heavy loads all over south texas without any probs at all. I don't beef Ford at all. I've seen mostly in industry is late 80's early 90's Fords which almost all gave great service, except for ALL the powerstokes after '94 that went thru expensive injector problems.
Well i can't explain it. I just haven't seen those types of problems from any year span from GM. one company i worked for bought a bunch of '94 and '95 GM diesel ton and a half trucks, and they sent back most of them with the electric fuel pump probs and a few other probs like brakes and tranny. it broke the boss's confidence as well, as he has bought nothing but Powerstrokes since then. of course, he learned his lesson with those as well, and trades them in before 100K miles.
I can't worry about bold type anymore - according to kcram I may have committed the ultimate screw-up and called Meredith a girl when she thinks she is a guy. I hoped I don't get bounced off this forum - everything I know about my Truck comes from here; the Chevy manual is useless. (still doesn't explain the pre-occupation with testosterone however . . .)
Also - maybe the Dodge/Silverado post was a veiled compliment - from the eye level view of a 5 or 6 year old that's probably what those nameplates look like. Those dodges sit very high, even in stock running gear . . . :{
Won't argue the powerstroke issue-that's why we have recently have gotten some Rams with Cummins for our stake bodies. I've heard the same problems.I won't say every GM product has done poorly-it's just that the majority have and it tends to make your taste for them go sour.
Do you realize that the guy that started all this hub-bub (jknecht) some 362 posts ago has NEVER posted back once to let us know if even bought a stinking new truck at all !!! And the funny part is he was "on the fence" over Dakota v.s. Silverado. Hello . . . ??? Maybe he bought a Hum-V.
Meredith (who we still don't the exact gender of . . .) had to jump in and cool things down for the first time at post #26 and it's been a fur-fight ever since.
jknecht, wherever you are - GO BUY A SILVERADO !! It's B-I-G-G-E-R than a Dakota - You will like it, it will haul things and go fast and stop good and use gasoline just like the other trucks - Try and steal the radio from the dodge however, they sound better.
told ya this catagory would die without some silverado input from me!
You have been silent since. If the topic is going to die then it should die the right way, bashing.
ggrrchrunch!!!!! (That's my Black Dodge, Making your Chevy cry in fear!)
As for silence?....there ain't nothing to say...I keep saying the same crap over and over again.
Besides....since the REAL black beast came in...I don't really care even that much more what Dodge Girls have to say....
Enjoy,Rammer
- Tim
Get's boring when you have no competition. You guys can't seem to keep this going without me...so it will die. It's a shame you actually believe all the crap that Dodge crams down your throat.
There you go with Timmy Pooh again.....are you a rammer too now?
I'm not your type......look up trucklover...he seems to have his eye on your type.
Dodge and Performance have nothing to do with each other.
- Tim
They have the Cummins....a very good engine. Although I give a hoot about Diesels..it is a good engine. GM has a whole new line of engines coming out soon....but Dodge has the advantage there for now. However diesels are such a small percent..that it really doesn't give Dodge any advantage over GM when you look at the whole fleet. Dodge Loses Again.
Dodge does sit higher. Seems everyone I talk to says they look too stupid that high with small tires. Only people that say not are the Dodge owners themselves.(which since Dodge is #3 in sales...I guess more people think they are stupid than people who say they look good)
The 1/2 Dodge sits about as high as a 3/4 Chevy. The 3/4 Dodge is even higher. I'm 6'3 and I found it harder to get into my friends 2000 Dodge 3/4. My 3/4 Chevy is just about right if you were not going to put running boards or nerf bars. Now do these Dodge Frames sit any higher?...I doubt it.
When you look at the real Facts (which is what I preach) vs. High School mentality bashing (Dodge style)...I see no other Advantage for Dodge. We can joke that One truck is going to crunch over another...but we all know that is not true. Perhaps you KNOW you have # 3 and just have nothing else to say?
"Dodge....Building real trucks for over 6 years!"
....oh boy
- Tim
I don't plan to keep them that long anymore...but it all depends on how you take care of them I guess?...maybe not....In Michigan we get tons o salt too...and I took minimal care of mine...and it is holding up great.
Nice to see you understand what you got.
- Tim
Yes I will keep harping on the lack of history.
Dodge only has a few years of making trucks in any descent numbers..(which is still way behind Ford and Chevy). Some years for God awefull Dodge creations like the Ram Charger were literally a couple thousand made.....A COUPLE THOUSAND MADE! Since 94 is the only time they have had good sales...and before that it was really depressing.....How can they be the leader when they don't really even have much experience making trucks at all?
Ford and Chevy have had pretty much steady truck sales over the years. They know what it's all about. They all are good overall and get the Job done. But when the Facts are presented...Ford and Chevy are the leaders.....so guess who is the follower?
About the only stink 99/00 Silverado owners may get is the styling is similar to the old one. Let's see what happens when Dodge changes their style from the current body that is the only body that ever sold. (IF they even stray far from it)
Swamee says....it stays pretty damn similar. It's like they used all their talent in one design? The smaller trucks have to look exactly like the Big ones? Real Original Guys!
While this is my personal opinion....it is also the facts. Can't change that.
About the only thing that isn't a fact...is our decision on what is the best looking. That is to each of us a personal opinion....None right or wrong.
Yes..Dodge has come along way...But the leader??...I think not.
- Tim