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BMW 5-Series Wagon 2004 Redesign



  • corkdsp1corkdsp1 Posts: 9
    UK pricing is out and rumor is US will be about 1500 more than outgoing model or 3 to 5% increase. My dealer said prices in US will be out in July
  • Pontiac front with Kia Rio back-end, does anyone need further proof that Bangel's working for MB? And do all the CTS interior designers work part-time for BMW? Just check out all the intersecting curves, broken lines. You've got to applaud BMW for managing to make real wood look fake. This is why my wife and I are picking up a 03 5, one of the last classic BMW's, one whose design does not have to be explained.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Hey prelude1997. Enjoyed your sardonic point of view. Although Phil Patton concurs with you in the Sunday NY Times, I think the butt looks more like the 2000(?) Chrysler Cirrus with one reservation--the Cirrus looks better. And the mug shot? Reminds me of a mascara-happy hooker. Do I recall reading somewhere in this thread that Bangle considers his new direction "ahead of it's time"? Raymond Loewy must be turning over in his grave. The Avanti was ahead of it's time. The 63 Stingray was ahead of it's time. The 2004 BMW 5 is the ugliest Beemer of all time. It even beats the Lincolnesque 7. By the way, spy shots indicate it gets worse still with the 2005 3 series.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The 6 wasn't spared from the hump-backed look, either. At least it's eye lashes aren't as bad as the 5.

    The profile of the 6 looks good, they just need to sort out the details better.

  • sonja3sonja3 Posts: 4
    Just a question of all you BMW lovers. I love them too. Owned a 98 740 and am considering a 530i.

    The 740 bled us dry on maintenance when 3 years was up..and even before! Is the 500 series the same? And aren't the maintenance plans just kind of smokescreens? It's always $400 here and $750 there NO MATTER WHAT! I want to love the car, but for the price, it should have better reliability built in. Your views?

    Sonja in L.A.
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    Well, you summed up the BMW experience quite nicely. Have 2 BMWs now. Just got rid of an 86 with 197k. Great cars. Always have a satisfying driving experience. They do need maintenance. For me, I'll take the driving experience. Even a 17 year old BMW fells good on the road if properly maintained. You can't say that about many brands. The maintenance costs on my old 528e were less than a new car payment, and I think the driving experience was as good as most new (non-BMW) cars. I think you have properly framed the question. BTW, new BMWs include all maintenance for 4 years, 50k, IIRC. You decide what means most to you!

    Happy Motoring,

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, it's up to 4 years now.

    Also, you're not going in for service every 3000 miles. They are much less frequent, 10k miles or more at times.

    They do charge more at each stop, but overall it may not be as bad as it sounds.

  • kuselerkuseler Posts: 6
    A few new 5 series (530i and 530d) on the roads here around Munich and Regensburg. They look awful, going for a goofy ultra-modern look, like a cheap Toyota or KIA... Definitely not a classic German Sports Sedan.

    My German friends think this current designer at BMW has destroyed a classic German automobile company.

    Get the 5 while they last, and soon the mini-5 (3 series) comes next year. Pictures are posted here in Germany on under the TEST & TECHNIK section.

    It's too bad, many would have picked up current body style 5's had they not abruptly ended production in early July.

    Let's see how BMW recovers from this?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I saw in another topic that dealer have a $4k incentive on the old models left over. People are getting deals at $2800 under invoice. I swear that is tempting.

    We already bought a car for my wife, and we're perfectly happy with it, but still, that is very tempting. If she were shopping today and she wanted it, I can't say I'd stop her.

  • karmikankarmikan Posts: 116
    I think that you might be right. I saw this in The Times (England) newspaper as part of a review of an M3 convertible.

    "The 3-series is still a standard setter and the normal M3 is extraordinarily good. But the best of the lot is the 5-series.

    I drove a 530i last week and, even though it's been with us for seven years, I still think it's the best executive car of them all. Audi, Mercedes and Jaguar can all offer us more modern alternatives but none can quite match the absolute rightness of the Five.

    It looks good whether it's parked on the block paving outside a Barratt executive home or on the gravel drive of a Georgian vicarage. It suits the underground car park of a Docklands development in London and blends perfectly with the rustic charm of a rural barn.

    This ability to adapt like a chameleon is seen on the road, too. Whether it's on a motorway, a sweeping Welsh A-road or on the way to the pub in Worth Matravers it doesn't just cope, it shines."

    Very true, it sure is a pity that BMW had to mess so radically with such a universally admired car. Glad I got mine.
  • skelco11skelco11 Posts: 6
    I am debating whether to get 03 or 04, but need more info on the price for the 04. Has anyone heard any buzz on the price for the new model, and when they'll be arriving?
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    but IMHO it's UGLY!The recent 5's were luxurious and classy. I will probably be looking for a car sometime next year and before I saw the pics of the new 5 I was considering a 530. My wife and I purchased a 2003 Lexus ES300 last December aand its ben great. No problems at all even the infamous tranny problem. I was also thinking about a new GS300 but I just saw some spy pics of the 2005 and it looks just as bad as a new 5. What are these designers seeing that I'm not?
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    What amazes me about the 04 is that it is so pathetic, I can't even find one redeeming quality to it's design. For instance, with the Z4 at least the front end looks decent as opposed to it's horrendous butt. On the new 530 there's pain in every angle and not a bit of relief on the inside either. Those double humps on the dash... what's the use, I could go one for hours with this... it should come out on the bottom line as indicated in the above post. BTW, I can't wait to see which angles they'll choose for the beauty shots.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
  • Thank god the BMW finally has some sport to it! the only way you could tell the old BMW was by the emblem on the wheels. It is about time someone learned how to design! The older BMW's looked like any old car.
  • I think it would be suffice to say that everyone here thinks the exterior is pretty atrocious, from pretty much every angle. The car doesn't flow. It looks like Bangle designed the car in stages. Front, middle and rear. Then he just smashed them together and you have the 5. All of the photos I have seen in the interior, look very cheap. The plastics, woods etc. It would have been nice if he had done something right. As for the rest of the line, I think the 7 looks OK. IMO the Z4 is probably the only thing from Bangle that has some beauty.
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    In talking to people that have actually seen and driven the E60, they say the interior is "nice". Maybe, just maybe, from the cockpit it won't be too bad.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The interior looks more like what a chauffeur would want, it's not a driver's cockpit at all.

  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    Have you been in it? I think a better question is what it feels like when you sit in it and drive it. I'm not waving the E60 banner, but comments from those I trust (current daily driver is '03 E39, 540, 6 speed) with first hand experience are of a positive nature.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No, and I doubt I'll ever get over the exterior enough to sit inside one, anyway.

    I just think it lost its cockpit feel. Smaller Bimmers seem to capture that better.

  • Well, in comparison to the interior of the old 5, the new interior doesn't compare.

    After looking over the 5 at bmwusa, the car looked a lot better in dark colors.

    In my opinion, what made a BMW interior, a BMW interior, was that it was very driver oriented. That has been lost.
  • 82078207 Posts: 1
    i guess im the only guy on this page under 30. Anyhow, i like the new 530, i will be purchasing it in either silver or black..i have to see them in october. Does anyone have any pricing yet for the US?
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    I understand it's not set yet. Probably 4 weeks away. Expect 1.5% more than last year. More features are standard, so it may be hard to compare. $ vs. euro may still have some say in the matter.

  • adgrantadgrant Posts: 13
    Guess I am an old fuddy duddy at the ripe old age of 37. However I don't like any of the new designs. Last time round when they introduced the current 5 and 3 series, I loved the new cars. I sold my E36 and ordered an early production E46. I replaced another leased E36 with a AWD E46 couple of years later. I doubt I will like the new E90 3 series.

    Fortunately I still have time for one more round of E46s (the last of the good designs). I have an AWD sedan on order and will order another next year.
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    and I don't like it at all!
  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    I don't care for it either.

    Two words for the rear-end of the new 5: "KIA Rio".

    Sad, that a $40K+ car has been redesigned to look like an economy car (at least from the rear angle).
  • jeffryjeffry Posts: 36
    Hey, check out the spy photos of the new Acura TL. Sure seems to be a family resemblance to the E60 by my eye...the G35 too. I'd have to see both cars in person but the pix seem to show similar themes. Who knows, perhaps in 12-24 mos these weird looking things will seem 'normal'!?! Are they all using the same 'on line' design firm?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw some spy pics for the 1 series, probably slightly photochopped, but they didn't look so good...

  • vsaxenavsaxena Posts: 211
    Talked to BMW USA folks on the phone about the European Delivery Program.

    525 39,300
    530 44,300
    545 54,300

    Some options are standard.
    Was thinking of going for the European Delivery program but after I saw the pictures, I am seriously thinking of going to my local dealer for the 2003 525.
  • msgreenmsgreen Posts: 67
    as a repeat customer. I have a wonderful 97 E39 (528) with almost 100K miles on it that has been the best car I have ever owned. I give BMW A+ marks on all aspects of that car. I had hoped to eventually trade it for a new E60 (5 series); however, I am totally turned off by the new styling which seems to follow the current Chris Bangle move to "eyebrows" and tacked on "butt". To me, the design does not flow at all. The mechanicals may still be A+, but I decided not to hand over 50K for something I just think is ugly. Others may like it, but I plan to eventually trade my E39 on something else.
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