Ah, yes--correlation but not causation! It's like when some media outlet posts a list: "These people surrounding Celebrity X have all died in the last 10 years"
Well, duh---celebrity X happened to know a lot more people than average.
I visited the Archduke Ferdinand car in November. It is in an amazing military museum, and there's a large exhibit about the incident. I've also read that the "death car" stuff is creative, to put it nicely. I can see superstition if the car was a beloved possession of the prior owner, but when it is just a transportation object, I don't get it.
And you'll definitely find the regalia in historical exhibits - but not on regrettable old men having parties (at least not with public knowledge). As you say, reflection, not glorification. Hiding things doesn't make progress.
On this we agree, Shifty. I am always amazed when it occurs to me that the stuff was happening only a decade-and-a-half before I was born, not a couple or three hundred years ago. One expects civilization to evolve, but...sheesh. I guess I can understand the keeping of some small [non-permissible content removed] stuff if you were an Allied soldier there and actually acquired it yourself. Of course, it is important to not forget though.
Similarly, you couldn't give me a Studebaker truck used in Russia during the war.
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I visited the Archduke Ferdinand car in November. It is in an amazing military museum, and there's a large exhibit about the incident. I've also read that the "death car" stuff is creative, to put it nicely. I can see superstition if the car was a beloved possession of the prior owner, but when it is just a transportation object, I don't get it.
And you'll definitely find the regalia in historical exhibits - but not on regrettable old men having parties (at least not with public knowledge). As you say, reflection, not glorification. Hiding things doesn't make progress.
Really?---they allow swastika displays in Germany?
Back to "Hazel" for a minute--here's a commercial for the new Mustang where Hazel uses the term "It's a 'doozie'". We'd been talking about both Hazel and that line recently:
Pretty far from a Duesy, but it was a great value in its time and I doubt any new car presentation since has generated that level of response from the general public. People stormed showrooms just to have a look and the working man, or working woman, could readily afford one.
Pretty far from a Duesy, but it was a great value in its time and I doubt any new car presentation since has generated that level of response from the general public. People stormed showrooms just to have a look and the working man, or working woman, could readily afford one.
My dad bought a black over red 260 V8 from a small dealer in the town where he worked not long after the introduction. I was only 7 at the time but I remember how we'd go to the grocery or a restaurant and come out and there would be a crowd around the car- sometimes someone would even have the hood up. A different time...
When I was 11 my mom would pick me up from the bus stop in the Mustang(our home was 11 miles away; long story). One day a couple of my mom's friends picked me up instead. They told me that Mom had been in an automobile accident. I asked if she was okay and they told me she was unhurt. I next asked how the Mustang was and all I got was, "You should be glad your mother wasn't hurt." I kept asking, and kept getting the same answer. It turned out that the car was a total loss. Of course for years afterward my mother-who never passed up a chance to tell a story that made me look bad-told people, "I was in a bad accident and all RB cared about was how bad the car was damaged."
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My first car was a '65 Mustang with the 170 and a 4 speed. While taking driving class they showed slides of horrible accidents. I especially remember the T-boned '68 Mustang, with the teacher saying 'You kids that drive small cars, be careful!'.
I don't want a Mustang as a collector car as it seems they're everywhere, but when I watched that commercial with Hazel, I kept thinking...."Beautiful styling, and the base car has vinyl buckets, carpeting, and full wheelcovers...at $2,368!". It really was a masterful styling and marketing job. Who'da thunk it was a Falcon underneath? I seem to think the introduction day of April 17 became a 'good luck' day for Ford and I think (accent on 'think') they introduced other cars that day...maybe the Maverick. I think the Taurus was introduced Dec. 26 and that was also considered a 'good luck' day at Ford.
RE.: Accident in an early Mustang--I know two people who were in serious accidents in early Mustangs, both of which where the hood flew up while driving.
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Got a flyer from the biggest Studebaker parts place today. Advertising '64-66 NOS rear bumpers at $195 until the end of March. I think I'm compelled to get one, just to have it. I remember in the '90's when NOS bumpers were $70, but I thought I had heard they were about gone at that price. Regular price now $300.
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I don't want a Mustang as a collector car as it seems they're everywhere, but when I watched that commercial with Hazel, I kept thinking...."Beautiful styling, and the base car has vinyl buckets, carpeting, and full wheelcovers...at $2,368!". It really was a masterful styling and marketing job. Who'da thunk it was a Falcon underneath? I seem to think the introduction day of April 17 became a 'good luck' day for Ford and I think (accent on 'think') they introduced other cars that day...maybe the Maverick. I think the Taurus was introduced Dec. 26 and that was also considered a 'good luck' day at Ford.
RE.: Accident in an early Mustang--I know two people who were in serious accidents in early Mustangs, both of which where the hood flew up while driving.
Not a car I'd want to be in an accident with, even setting aside the lack of mandated safety features in them. They simply were not a robustly-built vehicle, and the Falcon chassis was engineered to a barely acceptable standard.
Might be close to market if it is near show quality--that would include being more or less dirt-free underneath. Engine doesn't quite look up the mark.
Nice seats. I love the feel of plastic against my skin.
Hey Shifty, have 993 values really gone this crazy?
In that case, I'm afraid so. He's got two aces in his hand---extremely low miles "virgin" Porsche, and the very last year of the air-cooled cars. Personally I think the air is going to leak out of that bubble, but there's always a strong market for very low mile Porsches--mostly because most of them really rack up the miles. Porsche isn't like Ferrari, Lambo or other "exotics"--they have endurance and can run up 150K no problem.
Out on the road today, saw an early 70s Trans Am with a driver who looked so stereotypical it had to be on purpose, a Hummer H1, and an 82-85 5th Avenue in very original looking condition.
I'm not sure, but I think an upgrade to a Super 88 was about trim, not like the engine upgrade going from LeSabre to Wildcat.
Could be right; I do know a Super 88 was a more-expensive model than a Dynamic 88.
Some folks are just so lazy about dotting the 'i's' and crossing the 't's', especially in an ad!
I know I like 'original' and/or 'authentic', but similarly, two things that drive me nut about sixties Studebakers I see are 1) the accessory door-handle guards being installed upside down (on probably half the cars I see with them--I don't like the looks of them even when installed correctly) and '62-63 Larks with the front bumper guards installed one bolt in too far on each side. On the surface, neither of those issues sounds too big of a deal, but removing the installation will most likely result in scratches. Sigh.
Take the small extra time to be sure about stuff!
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A Studebaker friend of mine just went yesterday to ten miles east of my old hometown to look at a Volvo wagon that is being sold by a fellow who runs a Volvo repair and sales shop out in the country--he used to work for a Volvo dealer in a city about fifty miles north. His place is called "The Swede Shop".
My friend is on a Volvo wagon kick of late--likes wagons in general but of course not many to choose from, even in the used-car realm.
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Amazingly, where this shop is currently, is fifty miles from a Volvo dealer and is in a very rural area--the borough-proper of the area, where people shop and bank, etc., is only 5,900 people. He apparently advertises outside the area, a good idea.
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Stopped by Park Place to look at the Edsel listed on their site without pics (and maybe sit in a G-Wagen that just popped up, no dice). It's a HT, and somewhat nice looking in a pretty color combo:
However, the paintwork is not perfect and the chrome is no better - a 10 footer. Also needs wide whites badly.
This machine had nicer paint quality:
Oh look, another DeSoto:
Normal car 1955:
Not sure what I would call this color - orange coral maybe:
So many relatively ordinary sedans, never seen anything like this, these cars are much different than their usual fare:
The pretty 56 Olds 98 I linked earlier had a "hold" tag on it - it looked very well finished.
man, they pack them in tight. I would not want to be responsible for parking those babies! would need about 5 spotters, and not like they are really tight handling.
I remember that the Edsel aqua color was fairly popular on many cars as a two tone back in the late 50's. I like Desoto's and the pictures also reminded me that the 64 Dodge and Plymouth twins had a one year, kind of neat looking greenhouse on the coupes. Neat stuff in those shots.
@fintail I enjoy those pictures. If you have more of that "museum," I'd appreciate your posting them.
Are they taken with a phone? I'm curious because the quality is really good and the colors turn out great. I was looking at the blue-greens on the Desoto and the 54? Ford next to it and how the difference in the greens are what I remember from the 50's.
Yep, pics taken with a Samsung Note 8. Higher model Samsung phones of late have excellent cameras - I don't carry a DLSR on trips anymore, the phone does fine.
I don't have more pics from my brief visit today, but that dealer Has a site, here
They tend to have more exotic material, and very optimistic prices, which I suspect are made for negotiation. It's still a fun place for an occasional visit though - salespeople are used to browsers and don't mind lookers, and you never know what you will see. I've never seen an assortment of relatively everyday sedans such as this before. The Ford nosing its way in it s a 53.
@fintail I enjoy those pictures. If you have more of that "museum," I'd appreciate your posting them.
Are they taken with a phone? I'm curious because the quality is really good and the colors turn out great. I was looking at the blue-greens on the Desoto and the 54? Ford next to it and how the difference in the greens are what I remember from the 50's.
RE.: That '55 or '56 Mercury sedan--I always thought Packard and Mercury sedans of '55-56 looked similar--front wheel opening shapes, cut of front and rear door glass, brows over headlights. Since they were simultaneous designs, seems that this is accidental.
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That might also explain the attempt by Jim Nance of Packard to acquire 1956 Lincoln bodies for the '58 Packard line. Probably just as well that never happened.
Really. You probably know he went to run the Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln division at Ford, where he was fired in 1959 or 1960. Edsel was similar to Packard/Clipper in that there were 'junior' and 'senior' lines. He and McNamara didn't get along.
Ironically, the Edsel dealer where I live now picked up Studebaker, as did Newman and Altman in South Bend, who had been Packard dealers, picked up Edsel, then picked up Studebaker. They eventually bought the truck rights and Avanti rights from Studebaker and continued to build the Avanti in South Bend for twenty years. Nate Altman said he loved the Studebaker years as he'd be called in to the corporate office as a local dealer, on product decisions.
James Nance ended up running a bank in Cleveland the rest of his life. He lived in Chagrin Falls, a nice suburb about fifteen or twenty miles north of me.
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Really. You probably know he went to run the Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln division at Ford, where he was fired in 1959 or 1960. Edsel was similar to Packard/Clipper in that there were 'junior' and 'senior' lines. He and McNamara didn't get along.
IIRC Nance got out of the car business after that and went into banking, a much harder business to kill.
I wonder if Charlie Ross will be able to get it up over $1 million.
I hope whoever buys it understands that this engine is not a normal Porsche engine--it's a devil to rebuild and will cost.....a lot......probably 10% of the car's value.
I don't get their estimate though--you should be able to buy one already done for not too much more than that.
Here's one not seen often these days - someone on another forum I frequent just picked this up:
I remember when I was a little kid, the aesthetics of these were eye-catching to me - so many sharp angles, and immense overhangs. Probably a 130hp V8.
man, they pack them in tight. I would not want to be responsible for parking those babies! would need about 5 spotters, and not like they are really tight handling.
I wonder if they drive them in, push them, or have them on wheel dollies? I seems like dollies would make maneuverability far greater , as well as lowering the likelihood of damage. Old iron like this isn't really known for its precise road feel.
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Well, duh---celebrity X happened to know a lot more people than average.
And you'll definitely find the regalia in historical exhibits - but not on regrettable old men having parties (at least not with public knowledge). As you say, reflection, not glorification. Hiding things doesn't make progress.
Similarly, you couldn't give me a Studebaker truck used in Russia during the war.
However, if you get a big flag and march around chanting slogans, there will be trouble (and depending on the area, worse trouble here).
When I was 11 my mom would pick me up from the bus stop in the Mustang(our home was 11 miles away; long story). One day a couple of my mom's friends picked me up instead. They told me that Mom had been in an automobile accident. I asked if she was okay and they told me she was unhurt. I next asked how the Mustang was and all I got was, "You should be glad your mother wasn't hurt." I kept asking, and kept getting the same answer. It turned out that the car was a total loss. Of course for years afterward my mother-who never passed up a chance to tell a story that made me look bad-told people, "I was in a bad accident and all RB cared about was how bad the car was damaged."
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RE.: Accident in an early Mustang--I know two people who were in serious accidents in early Mustangs, both of which where the hood flew up while driving.
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I see they also have yet another DeSoto on the site, as well as an Edsel. What's next, a 60 Ford?
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Nice seats. I love the feel of plastic against my skin.
It was covered with plastic, too.
If I am in the area over the weekend, I might stop by Park Place to check out the Edsel, no pic yet.
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Could be right; I do know a Super 88 was a more-expensive model than a Dynamic 88.
Some folks are just so lazy about dotting the 'i's' and crossing the 't's', especially in an ad!
I know I like 'original' and/or 'authentic', but similarly, two things that drive me nut about sixties Studebakers I see are 1) the accessory door-handle guards being installed upside down (on probably half the cars I see with them--I don't like the looks of them even when installed correctly) and '62-63 Larks with the front bumper guards installed one bolt in too far on each side. On the surface, neither of those issues sounds too big of a deal, but removing the installation will most likely result in scratches. Sigh.
Take the small extra time to be sure about stuff!
My friend is on a Volvo wagon kick of late--likes wagons in general but of course not many to choose from, even in the used-car realm.
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However, the paintwork is not perfect and the chrome is no better - a 10 footer. Also needs wide whites badly.
This machine had nicer paint quality:
Oh look, another DeSoto:
Normal car 1955:
Not sure what I would call this color - orange coral maybe:
So many relatively ordinary sedans, never seen anything like this, these cars are much different than their usual fare:
The pretty 56 Olds 98 I linked earlier had a "hold" tag on it - it looked very well finished.
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Are they taken with a phone? I'm curious because the quality is really good and the colors turn out great. I
was looking at the blue-greens on the Desoto and the 54? Ford next to it and how the difference in the greens
are what I remember from the 50's.
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I don't have more pics from my brief visit today, but that dealer Has a site, here
They tend to have more exotic material, and very optimistic prices, which I suspect are made for negotiation. It's still a fun place for an occasional visit though - salespeople are used to browsers and don't mind lookers, and you never know what you will see. I've never seen an assortment of relatively everyday sedans such as this before. The Ford nosing its way in it s a 53.
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Ironically, the Edsel dealer where I live now picked up Studebaker, as did Newman and Altman in South Bend, who had been Packard dealers, picked up Edsel, then picked up Studebaker. They eventually bought the truck rights and Avanti rights from Studebaker and continued to build the Avanti in South Bend for twenty years. Nate Altman said he loved the Studebaker years as he'd be called in to the corporate office as a local dealer, on product decisions.
James Nance ended up running a bank in Cleveland the rest of his life. He lived in Chagrin Falls, a nice suburb about fifteen or twenty miles north of me.
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I wonder if Charlie Ross will be able to get it up over $1 million.
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I don't get their estimate though--you should be able to buy one already done for not too much more than that.
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I remember when I was a little kid, the aesthetics of these were eye-catching to me - so many sharp angles, and immense overhangs. Probably a 130hp V8.