BMW European Delivery

zoran

If you have some friends/relatives in Europe, can they pick it up and drop on the port for u?

shipo

No, the person picking up the car MUST be the registered buyer. Period, full stop, the end.

Best Regards,
Shipo

530ir1150r

If your friends/relatives trust you and you trust them, they can purchase the car, pick it up, drop it off and sell the car to you when it arrives here. They would have to meet European Delivery requirements for North American citizens.

bschless

Due to some problems in our delivery I asked BMW if my brother-in-law could pick up my car. They have a power of attorney form which allows a close relative to pick up the car. I didn't use it, but it is available, and legal.

shipo

Unless something has changed since I did my ED trip, your situation is the exception rather than the rule. Do I believe that BMW will allow this exception in rare instances? Yes. Do I believe that anyone and everyone who does ED can pull this off? Not a chance.

Best Regards,
Shipo

vsaxena

The Power of Attorney form authorizes BMW USA to import the car on your behalf.
For BMW to allow someone else to pick up the car, you have to have a strong valid reason. And I think the way they will do it is to add the relative as a co-owner of the car. Once the car is here, the relative can transfer ownership to you alone, even before any registration is done. The person picking up the car has to be on the paper work for the temporary registration and insurance in Europe.

kyfdx

Hey... good to hear from you over here..

hgeyer

Hello everyone,

I was just offered an opportunity to go to Munich at the end of the month. I was considering doing an ED, but don't have enough lead time.

Does someone know of a business in Munich where one could rent an M3 or a similar vehicle. I need to get some speed out of my system while over there.

Thanks.

dhanley

You don't have 14 days?

There may be a car in the pipeline you can jump on.

jb_shin

I did not find an M3, but you can get an idea of cost and selection at:
http://www.drivetravel.com/carrent/germany.shtml

Avis used to have 911 rentals in Berlin and a few other cities for about $300/day, but I am not sure if they still do. Keep in mind these luxury/sports car rentals come with mileage limitation as well.

hgeyer

Couldn't get a pick-up date until October. I did find a BMW 3-series rental at www.sixt.com

jlnyberg

Has anyone used either Bellevue or Seattle WA BMW dealers for setting up European Delivery? Any recommendations or feedback? Looking to purchase the 328xi

moesterwinter

I am planning to purchase or lease a 328xi coupe. My dealer has offered me the standard discount for ED along with a $1000 discount off MSRP. In WA state, we have about 9.1% sales tax on vehicle purchases, so if I am only going to keep the vehicle for three years, a lease will be advantageous.

On a leased vehicle, I assume that all discounts will only apply to the amount that is not residualized. So, if my residual is 61%, and total discount ($2500 ED and $1000 dealer) is $3500, the discount applied over the term of the lease would be $1365 total. And if I purchase the car at the end of the lease term, I would see no more of the discount. Given this scenario, I am looking at only about a $1000 discount for ED over the course of my lease, which hardly justifies paying for a lease for an extra 3 months (1 month before deliver and then 2 months waiting for vehicle to arrive) without having the car.

So I ask, why do so many people chose to do ED along with a lease? Am I missing something? Should I just buy with ED or should I lease with local delivery?

Another question related to leases: If I keep the car more than 4 years (lease or not), I would like an extended warranty. I believe that my dealer will allow me to purchase CPO if I buy out the vehicle at the end of the lease. If I purchase outright, does BMW offer extended warranties directly? Does anybody know dealer cost vs MSRP on these warranties?

kyfdx

The residual percentage applies to the US MSRP... Any discount you receive is immaterial to the residual amount..

So, you realize the full amount of any discount. If you negotiate a lower price, you save the full amount.

That said, a $1000 discount is not that good of a deal... Most dealers will cut bigger discounts on ED, because it doesn't come out of their allocation.

regards,
kyfdx

moesterwinter

I have experience with both BMW Seattle and Bellevue. Even though I live about 5 blocks from Bellevue, I am probably EDing my 328xi coupe from Seattle - they are more reputable IMHO. I am working with Seth, and he has been great. He will probably tell you that they won't discount the XIs because they are so now, but I think they will if ED because it doesn't take a car from their build slot. Tell him that Marcus recommended you see him.

blueguydotcom

Whoa...
am planning to purchase or lease a 328xi coupe. My dealer has offered me the standard discount for ED along with a $1000 discount off MSRP.

Don't touch that deal! The 3 series should be $1000 over Munich ED invoice. That's about 5k below msrp. go here to check the ED invoice price on a 328xi coupe - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154682

You'll see the msrp on your car base is 37,100 while the ED invoice price is 31,400. That's a 5,700 difference. Add 1k dealer profit, shipping and the cost of your options now :mad: .

On a leased vehicle, I assume that all discounts will only apply to the amount that is not residualized. So, if my residual is 61%, and total discount ($2500 ED and $1000 dealer)

No. I'll give my e90 as an example. 41k MSRP. I paid 35.7k for it (36.2k was the negotiated ED price, plus $500 BMW CCA rebate). As far as BMW knows, the car's cap cost was 36.2k.

So, to figure the lease you would take the MSRP 41k and multiply that by the residual -- 41000 X .71 = $29,110

Now take your negotiated price (cap cost) and subtract the residual from it to determine how much of the car you must pay for:

$36,200 - 29.1 = 7100.

That $7,100 is the amount to be paid over my 24 month lease. Add in money factor and taxes and I ended up at $472 a month.

Additionally, BMW pays for the 2nd month of the lease. So you would pay for month 1 of your lease 2 weeks before pickup. Get the car, drive it and drop it off. Month 2 is covered by BMW, when the car is on its way to you. Month 3 is paid while the car is shipped too - assuming your ED takes 8 weeks to make it to the west coast.

Most often 2 year leases are the best deal with ED as you get the BMWCCA rebate ($500) and one month free. Also, the the residuals are usually in the 70-75% range while your cap cost is usually 85% of the MSRP, so you only pay for about 15% of the car on a two year lease.

Run the numbers using http://leaseguide.com/calc.htm and see for yourself. A 3 year ED lease is a good deal but a 2 year one is an amazing deal.

for someone like me, who gets bored easily, a new car in two years is attractive.

jlnyberg

Thanks for the feedback. That was my impression as well on Bellevue. I'm still working on figuring out the best price for a ED purchase. Once you have all your options for your car to be built (I've used the BMWUSA online) is that still the retail and then you bargain to the wholesale plus some fee to the dealer for delivery?

blueguydotcom

It's extremely simple...

go to bimmerfest.com's forums and find the 3/5/7 series forum. At the top each forum is s sticky thread that contains the pricing for the cars. for instance:

Sedan pricing;

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158308

coupe pricing:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154682

Use Base Price Euro Delivery Munich Pick up on the WHOLESALE page as the starting point for your car. Add your options using the pricing on the sheet.

For instance:

35i sedan = 33,110
Leather = 1320
Sports Package = 1455
Shipping = 695
Dealer profit = 1000

Total = $37,580 v. MSRP of 42,445

Be sure to add $695 for shipping and another $800-1200 for dealer profit.

Contact a dealer - ideally work off a referral - and speak to their ED specialist or the salesman you were reffered to. Explain to him that you would like to purchase a BMW via ED to be picked up on X date and you want it for X dollars over ED invoice. Give him the details, your name, number.

He will probably call you back within 15 minutes to say yes or no.

It's that easy.

The BMW site is only good for looking up the MSRP (which is handy when figuring out leases).

jlnyberg

Awesome. This is very helpful. It's hard to wade through all the different sites/options and most of the sales people aren't helpful (or they are in terms of lining their own pockets).

moesterwinter

Thank you for your post. You have been very helpful. What should I expect for money factor? What is the base, and what is the markup? Is there a different money factor for Euro delivery?

sayhey

How do you account for the yearly mileage allowance, ie;10k, 15k etc. when calculating a monthly payment. How do you find the current money factor that BMW is using?

blueguydotcom

On ED the money factor isd raise 0.0003, so if the MF is 0.00200 for a 328, then the ED rate would be 0.00230. Keep in mind BMW pays for month 2 of the lease on an ED.

Find September's MF rates at http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164562

Markup for all BMW leases has a max cap of 0.0004. you can negotiate that. Mean dealers won't want to budge. Better dealers will do zero markup or 1 point.

dprecocious1

Hello,

I am new to leasing as well but I've done a fair amount of research onthe vehicels that I'm planning to lease and thanks to your very helpful post I was able to use it to negotiate a lower rate with a dealer after calling around to several dealers.

The rates that I've gotten for the BMW's my wife and I are interested in:

2007 328xi fully Loaded (except 18' wheel/tire package): $44,900

2007 335i Full Loaded: $48,500

These prices are European delivery and I'll be seeking a 24 month term with 15k miles for each one. I negotiated $1,200 profit for the dealer, which he told me he could do, but then he came back and metioned a advertising ($250 and training fee ($180) that will add $430 more to my negotiated price. Is this a fair deal or should this price have already been included in the invoice? I've spoken with several dealers who have quoted my higher prices but none of them mentioned advertising and training fees until this dealer. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Your help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

blueguydotcom

No, he's cheating you. On ED cars you never pay training or MACO fees. The dealers only pay those fees on allocated cars. An ED car is sold to you - so no training or MACO/advertising. He's robbing you.

Check the ED forum on bimmerfest. This is covered quite often. Dealers like to pull the following tricks:

Add training fees
Add MACO
Have you pay for the lease 1 month early
Claim MSDs don't apply to ED cars

Your dealer is scamming you. Look elsewhere...

ahdanna

Hi - great forum. I'm very much considering doing an ED lease on a 3 series coupe. Does anyone know a reputable dealer in NJ that would be good to work with?

Thanks!
Anthony

shipo

I had a very good ED experience through Park Avenue BMW in Rochelle Park.

ahdanna

Thanks blueguydotcom - great info. I wasn't even considering a 2 year lease, but this makes a lot of sense.

One question - you mention the BMWCCA rebate. Does that automatically occur with 2 year leases or am I missing something?

Thanks
ahdanna

blueguydotcom

BMWCCA Rebate - you must be a member of BMWCCA for 1 year before you can get the $500 rebate on the 3 series cars. After that, you can get one rebate per calendar year.

shipo

Basically I called them and asked if they would do a $1,000 deal over ED invoice. The sales person I talked with (no longer there) said, "We don't normally do that kind of a deal, can I call you back in 5-minutes?"

"Yup."

Four minutes later he called back and asked, "Are you ready to place an order right now?"

"If you agree to the price I can be there in 15 minutes, sign the paperwork and give you a deposit." He did and I did. Total E/T from the time I placed the phone call to the time the deal was done was about 75 minutes. IIRC, I placed that order in mid February for a mid April pick-up in Munich.

One of the cool things about picking up an ED car and living on the East Coast is that from the day I dropped my car off at E.H. Harms in Munich to the day I took delivery of it again here in the States was 30 days. Not too shabby. ;-)

FWIW, regarding information that shouldn't be posted, specific names of sales associates is one (and since mine is no longer there it's not relevant), and personal E-Mail addresses is another. If you want folks to E-Mail you, you should set your address to Public in your profile. In that way you allow us to mail you without the Spam-Bots fetching your address and nailing you.

Keep us posted on how your negotiations go. ;-)

Best Regards,
Shipo

blueguydotcom

To get to NJ, you've got really fast run-around. I'd say place your order in December (good time to buy too). If you drop off by mid-feb you'll easily get your car before the end of March.

ahdanna

Thanks blueguy and shipo. I appreciate the info & advice and will pass along my progress.

ahdanna

dl7265

And $1,000.00 on 5er. Also important to note donot let your membership lapse . They are sticklers. My first year I thought it expired at the end of the month. I called 2 days after my exact purchase date, no bueno....

DL

golfnut7

I am contemplating doing a European Delivery on a new 5 series for my wife next March. Having read the postings about how much to pay and the ED process of ordering the car the questions I have are how do you determine where to stay, what to see and where to go. I have never been to Europe and wonder if the language will be an issue. Any advice on how to plan the trip? Is there a travel agency associated with BMW that can set it up for us? We plan on spending 7 to 9 days over there. Any advice is appreciated.

bschless

It's really pretty easy. Although I've travelled extensively in Europe I seldom go to Germany, so my first ED several months ago was an adventure. Firstly, count on needing extra time from what you're used to. You can't expect things to go as quickly as if you were in the US. As an example, when you go from the airport to the train station in Munich it's a huge hall and if you're not used to train stations, finding where to go, which train/trolley to take, etc is an adventure in itself. But lots of people speak English. Just don't give up on the first one you speak to. Expect it will take about an hour to get to the suburb where BMW is (I slept over at the downtown Hilton before going out to get my car). Expect to get lost a couple of times, but, hey, so what, you're on vacation, and it's all new! The pickup itself is very easy. It's like a US dealership. You come in, they process your paperwork (speaking perfect English), you wait 1/2 an hour (they serve coffee and sandwiches if you wish)and you have your car. MAKE SURE YOU BRING YOUR PASSPORT TO BMW. THEY CAN'T DELIVER THE CAR WITHOUT IT.

I had one day to tour around before delivering my car to the export service (but I really wish I had had a week). I went south of Munich into the castle region. Google "Romantic Bavaria". It's tourist junk, but very pretty if you've never been there before. There are lots of little inns that (in early August, probably more now) had vacancy signs. The area is great for day hikes, photo ops, and lots of really good German food. A lesson someone once told me...don't make reservations far in advance (unless you're in the midst of the tourist season). Stay at inns and B&Bs and look at the weather map on TV each day, then go where it's supposed to be sunny the next day. Ask the inn keeper for a suggestion of an inn where you're going. End up with a vacation where it never rained! Good advice.

The drop off point in Munich is in the suburbs as well. It takes at 45 minutes from downtown to get there (and expressway is badly marked). Get directrions from the concierge before you leave the hotel. There are trains that can get you from the drop off point to the airport (you need to walk around 1/4 of a mile, but the rest is public transportation). Your alternative is to drop off the car somewhere else in Europe. But that means that someone is going to drive your car (there's no charge to you) back to Munich for the trip home. If you do that really inspect your car when you drop it off and when you pick it up in the states.

Do expect it will take 6-8 weeks for the car to get delivered. Don't know why, as ours sat in NJ for 2 weeks, but them's the rules.

And enjoy Europe. The people are wonderful, the countryside beautiful and the food addictive.

dhanley

Sound fabulous!

Summer '07 for me!

drjyothi

blueguy.com, that is an amazing deal for a 2 year lease! do you know what the 2 yr. lease would be on a 335i sedan or coupe if MSRP was $41K (i used the ED price, options and destination/training fees you showed from the bimmer page). should this $41K price be reduced further b/c dealer may/will discount further beyond what ED price is?

jb_shin

I second the recommendation about staying at B&B. When we lived in Germany, we'd drive and look up hotels in the city using navigation or Michelin Guide and call while on the way to book a room. I have never had trouble doing this in 3 years, but I usually avoid high season (May to early Oct).

I used Romantik Hotel chains (not really chains, since they are individual owned and run by the family) and enjoyed them. The picture below is one in Rotehnburg:

http://picasaweb.google.com/john.jbshin/Rothenburg/photo#4984361085294149650

Romantik Hotels:
http://www.romantikhotels.com/rh_hps/servlet/Assist?arg=424&module=StartPageLoad- - &lang=en_EN

blueguydotcom

Not sure what you mean. You can add up the MSRP on BMWUSA and add up the ED invoice price plus dealer profit on your own. I'd say shooting for 1000-1200 is about average.

tenrun

Anyone wanting to get rid of a BMW Euro DVD Nav set?

cassidym

I did ED back in Sep of 04 and it was a great experience. Also did it back in 86 and was also satisfied then.

In 04, my wife and I flew to Frankfurt and then to Nice where we rented a car and spent a week in Cannes having a great time wandering around the Riviera. We then flew to Munich and drank our way around Octoberfest. Picked up the car (545i), drove it around Munich a bit then took it to the shipper and colllected it a month later here in Northern Virginia.

We got half fare on Lufthansa for the flight and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. I speak pretty good German (in fact, the hostess on Lufthansa demanded to know how an American could speak it so well)and enough French to get by. I highly recommend you get some language tapes and listen to them as much as possible before you go. True, virtually all Germans speak at least a bit of English. But you will have a much better time (and be treated better) if you can speak some of the local language. Plus it's a lot of fun and the locals will be very patient with you and pleased that you are trying.

I considered picking up the car and driving to France but opted not to. And when I saw the drivers and the narrow roads and chaotic parking in Cannes, I was glad I did.

After we shipped the car, we took the train to Paris. Very pleasant trip and, if you've never been there, you ought to see it.

In Munich, head for the Alten Stadt (Old Town). This is a very picturesque area with lots of interesting shops and restaurants. Do have a beer in the Hofbrau Haus.

And, in Munich, you are close enough to go for a drive through Austria (Salzburg is beautiful) and even into Northern Italy and make it back to Munich in a day.

If you are going to be driving your new BMW there and it comes with GPS (mine does and I love it), arrange to get a DVD with European roads on it as this will make getting around Germany and the other countries a lot easier.

My usual advice to people visiting a large European city for the first time is:

On the day you get there, just wander around the neighborhood your hotel is in. Check out the shops and try a local restaurant. And book yourself on the general city tour for the next day. This will give you a good look at the place and you can then spend the remaining days, going back to the places you found most interesting.

Have a great trip

blueguydotcom

I will bring it back on my next trip to Europe for sure.

cdnpinhead

in the paraeto for my next vehicle is the ED option. BMW & Mercedes both offer it. The 3-series & the 230 both have rear-wheel drive & an available manual transmission. It turns out that on three separate occasions I spent a Friday night in the same hotel Mercedes recommends for their ED customers who want to stay close (Sindelfingen Mariott).

For a variety of other reasons, the Merc is well down on my hit parade, but the BMW is not. It's still a year or three away, but picking up my new car & driving it around the alps for a week or so has a lot to recommend it.

And yes, having a portable GPS w/ the European map set makes driving in otherwise unfamiliar territory much less stressful (especially if the better half is along to watch & comment).

blueguydotcom

The drive through the alps is fantastic. I adored driving on the southern France toll roads too.

autohound

Ok, I am a little lost on this whole process.

I want to lease a 2007 335i sedan that has a US invoice of $38,700. The BMW site says that I can get a discount of up to 7% if I take ED (minus $2,709 or $35,991). So is that the starting point for neg. with a dealer or the final number? Or can I do even better? I already have a dealer willing to give me $2k off of the MSRP for a normal delivery, so are my savings limited to $709?

I am buying in the NY/NJ area, any recommedations for dealers familar with this process?

Thanks!

nyccarguy

From ED invoice. Check out bimmerfest. Under the ask a dealer forum you can pull up the ED onvoice of the exact car yuo want to order.

trapeze

Could someone clarify for me exactly when the first, second, third and fourth lease payments are due for an ED car? Suppose I order a car tomorrow and want to pick it up January 15. Do you ever have to make two lease payments at the same time? Any help is appreciated!

blueguydotcom

want to lease a 2007 335i sedan that has a US invoice of $38,700. The BMW site says that I can get a discount of up to 7% if I take ED (minus $2,709 or $35,991). So is that the starting point for neg. with a dealer or the final number?

Neither. You state what you'll pay - ED Invoice plus 800-1500 (depends on what you think you can get). This dealer you're working with is trying to rip you off.

Check http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154682

blueguydotcom

Trapeze,

If your pick up is Jan 15, you will make your first payment on Jan 1. BMW will make your second payment on Feb 1. Your car will probably arrive before you make 3 payment 3 on March 1.

cdnpinhead

I absolutely agree.

The first opportunity I had to burn personal time on a business trip to Germany (over a weekend), I did a loop that included San Bernardino, Gotthard & Furka passes, followed the next day by a drive past Mt. Blanc. Sadly, there were many clouds, but it was still very pleasant driving.

On following trips I did several other Alpine passes, but there are many left to do. The plan is to do several (or most) of them with my own ED vehicle.

Time will tell.

kelf

Has anyone been able to arrange excellent discount from the ED price? Where ? How much?