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6/100 from date of purchase really means a 2 year/50,000 mile extension, then. Not worth it, I don't think.
Anyway, the car arrived today! Wheeeee!
I had the housing for the rain sensor land on my lap as I was driving off of the lot ... not ideal! But the car's sweet, I must say. And they threw in all-season mats, trunk-tray.
How are you doing?
typically bmw hold;s their value well, so you could go in and get a good deal on a new one ?
Also, I know a few thousand dollars is added on after you lock in your purchase price. Of these things what is negotiable and what is not. Obviously, I tax and reg is not. But what about destination fees? What other fees should I expect?
Thanks
Tomorrow is my big day. I'm hoping that they got my order right and that they throw in some mats. Weather will be nice. I hope that I can keep it under 100 driving home on 684.
They've been really rushed there. I didn't even get through the orientation with my agent, since it was taking too long. (Have to go back Tuesday to get my real plates; right now I am riding around on dealer plates). Anyway, given how rushed they are, be sure to go over everything and make sure it's all there. My car didn't have a manual, for instance. Oh ... and did you know the glove compartment is so small that the manual doesn't fit?? haha
Anyway, enjoy! Let's compare notes on the experience. (What's the right break-in period, by the way??)
You can try backing into a price (total) and let them figure out the details.
- license, title, registation (est. $150)
- Doc fee (est. $275)
- Destination/handling (est. $675)
- Conveyance fee (in CT, $275)
- Reg/Lien ($175)
I've variously been told:
- vary speed substantially for first 500miles
- don't exceed 55 for the first 1000miles
- don't exceed 65 for the first 1000miles
- don't exceed 70 for the first 3000miles
- don't exceed 100 (like that happens a lot) for the first 3000miles
So which (if any) is it?
I've heard the break-in is 1,200 miles for the engine, and just a few hundred miles for the brakes. I will ask my delivery person. I'm going to tell my wife that the satellite radio also has a break-in period - no Howard Stern until January!
I'm look forward to a long weekend with the new car in nice weather. I look forward to comparing first impressions with you.
I had a bit of bad luck with my G35. First problem in 3 years. Less than 1 week before I'm returning the car the shift lock broke. Couldn't get it out of park without a screwdriver. The good news is that it was still a few hundred miles within the warranty (60,000 with Infiniti). I was inconvenienced to bring the car in for warranty service just 2 days before I return it to Chase, BUT at least I didn't have to pay anything. If it was a Bimmer over 50,000, . . .
DL
So of the fees you listed, which ones can you do away with or negotiate on? Or is there any 1 specific fee that is totally ridiculous and people always leave out of their deals?
For example... Your car has an MSRP of $36K incl. destination..
You offer $34K, and they accept..
Your total price:
$34K + sales tax + state registration/title/license fees..
AD fees? Nope... you negotiated the total price
Dest. fees? Nope.. ditto
Conveyance fee? Nope.. ditto
Doc fee? Nope... ditto (though I usually let $50 or less slide)
Training fee? well... you get the idea..
Remember.... any amount that doesn't go to a government agency is going to the dealer... and is part of the price.. If you negotiate $34K, but then they add $700 in dealer fees, then you really paid $34,700..
Fees are okay, if they disclose them ahead of time... that way, you can factor them into your offer.. and reduce it accordingly.. The final price is what matters.
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Break-in period
Moving parts need breaking-in time to adjust to
each other. Please follow the instructions below
in order to achieve the optimal service life and
economy of operation for your vehicle.
Engine and differential
Up to 1,250 miles/2,000 km:
Attempt to vary both engine and vehicle
speeds, but refrain from exceeding an engine
speed of 4,500 rpm or a driving speed of
100 mph or 160 km/h.
Always obey all official speed limits.
Avoid full-throttle operation and use of the
transmission's kick-down mode.
Once you have driven 1,250 miles/2,000 km,
the engine and vehicle speeds can be gradually
increased.
Tires
Due to technical factors associated with their
manufacture, tires do not achieve their full traction
potential until after an initial break-in
period. Therefore, drive reservedly during the
first 200 miles/300 km.
Brake system
Brakes require an initial break-in period of
approx. 300 miles/500 km to achieve optimized
contact and wear patterns between brake pads
and rotors. Drive with caution during this breakin
period.
Clutch
The function of the clutch reaches its optimal
level only after a distance driven of approx.
300 miles/500 km. During this break-in period,
engage the clutch gently.
why the heck would anyone spend the same for a one-year old bimmer with 10k miles as they would for a one-year old bimmer with no miles on it?
I ordered the car on 8/24/05. It's not the destination charge of $695 - that has been charged separately. I checked with the Salesperson - he did acknowledge the difference in MSRP, and said will reduce the Sale price proportionately, but wants for the car to arrive and check the sticker. But, I think at that point the deposit becomes non-refundable (is that true?), and I may be at a disadvantage. To avoid confusion, I'm thinking of going back and getting all the numbers on the Purchase agreement, but I want do want to verify the validity of the $32,200 MSRP pricing of the base car. Is anybody else in a similar situation? Thanks!
Can anyone tell me what the previous and new invoice price is?
The previous base invoice was $33,215...
Both of these prices do not include destination..
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$430 metallic paint
$455 heated seats
$455 comfort access
$695 destination fee
$35,520 is what I get also..
I'm not sure why they are off $70... Possibly just bad math..
Or, they may be leaving off destination, and adding in advertising fees and some other things... If you are negotiating from invoice up, fees tend to come out of the woodwork..
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My order came in right, aluminum trim and all. They threw in floor mats and didn't even mention it. My CA had failed to activate my services with BMW Assist and Sirius. A stand-in CA hadling my delivery was able to activate the BMW Assist but not the satellite radio. I've been chasing my CA to no avail. I hope they're open tomorrow on Labor Day. According to Sirius, I need to get some sort of account number from the dealer. I'll get it going soon.
I will write more detailed impressions in the days ahead, but for now suffice it to say that this is the most instantly comfortable car I ever had. The driving position is absolutely outstanding.
I'll get it going soon.
David
They are wrong, you need to activate the Sirius radio which is very easy!
Call Sirius from your car, Go to Entertainment & sellect "SAT".
There should be a long set of numbers that u read off to Sirius rep.
Within mins. you will have your Sirius radio up & running!
Note: u have 1 free year & can upgrade longer if u want to?
I personally went with "LIfetime" which usually is one time fee of $500.00.
They will accept $143.00 for your free year & you will pay $357.00 for lifetime.
Oh wait: maybe u might need to have dealer do this, if u don't have Nav screen?
Thanks for trying to help.
While I don't have navi, I can use my radio controls to go to SIRIUS and select SAT. But when I hold SAT for a few seconds, I get Sirius' toll free tele number on my radio screen instead of the number they need to activiate me. The Sirius tele rep told me that (1) the dealer should have taken care of the activiation for me prior to delivery and (2) since I can't seem to get the so-called ESN number by pressing SAT, I will need to get the number from the dealer. I hope to get this straightened out today, if the dealer is open on Labor Day.
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Pretty sure we are dealing with the same person. My SIRIUS isn't "in" yet -- back ordered (??). I received the all-weather mats free, but didn't get the carpet mats (have to follow-up on that one!). Also awaiting a cargo-liner.
Did your car come with an emergency road-side kits (looks like an over-sized fanny pack?). I see it in promotional materials, but didn't receive one when I picked up my car. Again, my agent was rushed and so we didn't go through everything, yet. e.g. - the manual was missing in the car, so I had to have them scrounge around to find one. (Speaking of which, does your manual even fit in your glove-box???).
Fianlly - one question. When you set the alarm, the red light under the rear-view mirror should flash, no?
Car rides like a dream, though.
I'm loving it. Put on 200+ miles over the long weekend, just by taking a lot of short drives here and there. I had it up to the 80s on the highway. It was so quiet and so smooth, that speed feels less than what it is. If I was riding in the car blindfolded, I would say that 80 felt like 55 or 60. It was hard for me to part with the car today, back to the reality of my wife dropping me off at the train station and watching her drive away. Living for the weekend, now more than ever.
My Sirius was factory installed. The problem in my case is that the dealership didn't activate it prior to delivery or even at delivery. The CA told me to call Sirius to activate it. But Sirius couldn't do the activation for me because we couldn't access some 12-digit ESN number they need in order to do the activation. I have to get the number from my CA, who is off again today. The Sirius rep said that in the case of new cars the dealer should take care of the activation and make sure that everything is OK before delivering the car to the customer. She said that most dealers do this. For whatever reason our dealer didn't take care of this for me, which has caused me some inconvenience.
They gave me the carpet mats for free, without ever mentioning it. No additional winter mats in my case. I'll have to buy those at some point. I'm not sure what you mean by cargo-liner. My trunk has thin carpeting. Is that what you mean, or are you talking about something plush?
My car came with a tool kit in the trunk. No fanny pack. I'm not sure about an emeergency roadside kit. Where should it be located?
I got a full set of manuals. There is not only the owner's manual, but like a dozen other pamphlets (atlas, radio, etc.). They gave me a nice leather case for the pamphlets. But the case does not easily fit in the glove compartment. Indeed, it will not fit at all if you stuff it with all of the pamphlets. The problem is that it has a stiff notebook-like side to it. Anyway, I put the owner's manual and some of the more useful pamphlets in the glove compartment, loose. I put the other things in the leather case in the trunk. It sits nicely in that space on the right side above the tool kit.
My understanding is that the light under the rearview mirror should flash, but only when the car is locked, which is what activates the alarm. I haven't seen it yet on my car because I haven't had the car out at night in a situation where I would park it and lock it.
Any insight or suggestions from the host and/or other knowledgeable lurkers would be appreciated.
Also, lease payments aren't always on the 1st of the month, like a mortgage... They always fall on the same day of the month.. So, it isn't like you have to pay the second payment a month ahead... just two days ahead..
They may have locked you in on August 31st, to make sure you got the August lease deal, in case it got worse in September... Once they show the car sold in August, they may not be able to re-do it for September...
The dealers don't find out about the new lease programs ahead of time.. I don't think you'd be upset, if the lease deals had gotten worse in September.
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Maybe I misunderstood my circumstances, but I was under the impression (through discussions with my CA) that I was in a no lose situation. I thought I had a lock on the August lease program with an option on the September lease program. So if the lease program changed for the better, I'd benefit from the change; whereas if the lease program changed for the worse, it would not affect me at all.
Also, my CA had told me on or about Aug 22 that BMWFS had announced that the leasing program on the 330i would remain the same in Sep. Although dealers do not usually find out about the new lease programs ahead of time, it seems that they did in the case of Sep '05. Accordingly, my dealership should have known that it would make no difference, in terms of the lease programs, to date the lease Sep 2 (actual delivery date) instead of Aug 31.
Finally, my CA had been begging me to take delivery at the end of Aug rather than the beginning of Sep. I ultimately refused because (1) I didn't want to make a double car payment in Aug - the last payment on my previous car and the first payment on my new car, and (2) I wanted to take off a Friday in order to have a long weekend with my new car.
All this makes me think that they dated the lease Aug 31 with the dealership's best interests in mind (to pad their August sales numbers) rather than with my best interests in mind.
I appreciate that I am not being asked to make an extra payment. Whacky payment schedule aside, the total number of payments will still be 36 in the end. I also appreciate the view that having to make the second payment a couple of days head is not a big deal. But from a cash flow point of view, it bothers me to have to make the first two payments in the same calendar month - Sep '05. These are "monthly" payments that we are talking about. It therefore does not set well with me that I would have to make two monthly payments in the same calendar month. By taking delivery on Sep 2 and making my first monthly payment on Sep 2, my expectation was that my subsequent payments would be due on the 2nd day of each subsequent calendar month, which would have been fine by me.
Anyway I'm not sure what, if anything, I can do about this now. Perhaps the only remedy, if feasible for the dealership, would be to rip up the Aug 31 lease and replace it with a Sep 2 lease. Whacky payment schedule aside, the reality is that am being shorted a couple of days on my 3 year lease without any prorated reduction of the monthly payment in the first or final month. I'm not getting the full benefit of my bargain.
Regards,
David D
I've locked the car at night but haven't seen that red light blink. I guess I am worried the alarm isn't setting -- all the other cars I've owned (recently) have a red light somewhere in the dash area that blinks repeatedly when the alarm's on. Perhaps I should read the manual !!
I agree that the ride's sweet. Too bad I-95 doesn't do it justice ... nor does waiting at the train to pick up my wife (we're reversed there!).
Eventually you will be able to enjoy listening to your satellite radio while waiting at the train to pick up your wife. My initial impression is that the stereo system in the 330i is very good. I can crank up the volume on the radio stations fairly high without distortion. Sirius (when I get it going) and CDs (when I try them) should be even better. I haven't noticed any volume info in the radio display to let me know how relatively high or low the volume is.
My question is to do with the September Lease program. What is the base Money Factor and Residual in my case? I have been quoted .0028 and 62% by one dealer and .00254 and 57% by another. Also how much off MSRP can I expect to get given that there are only two dealers in the Twin Cities area?
I spoke with the dealership yesterday and the lease paperwork had not been submitted but he told me that BMW has incentive money on the vehicle which will lower the selling price of the vehicle to $39,920.00. The lease rates have changed for Sept. for the 330CI and the money factor has increased to 7.5 %. My lease payment has gone down to $514.00. I am now considering purchasing the car instead of leasing due to the selling price.
I am just negotiating with the dealer about a new 2006 bmw 325i.
the msrp is 36,000( this is the price before Sep.1, which should have risen by $600 after Sep.1. ), and the invoice is 33,030 ( also should have risen by $546).
NOw the dealer can give me a $1,500 discount.
Is it a good deal? If not, what number is a good number for me?
Thanks!!!
The problem I've run into is that several dealers around here (Bay Area) are owned by Auto Nation. I would email two different dealers and the one further away would refer me back to the one closest to me (since they are sister dealerships) -- this makes it much harder to negotiate between dealers.
Any suggestions as to how a better deal can be found?
is the 1,500 discount off of msrp or invoice? i assume msrp... ?
thanks!
The dealer referring you back to the local dealer sounds like an anti-trust violation.
Essentially what they are saying is that they control the market here.
BTW, the $500 over invoice on a 2006 3 series is an awesom deal. Do you have a trade in or a lease they are padding up?
The saga continues .... I am no longer driving around on dealer plates, but I still am awaiting the SIRIUS install, my trunk liner, my emergency road-side kits (did they come with your car), and now an ALARM. For the price we pay, these inconveniences shouldn't be.
The stereo on the 330 is good ... it's the upgrade, I think.
Put my first scrape on the car ... underside of the front bumber, when I got too close to a curb!
I haven't tested my alarm yet. I'm going to check it now.
Sorry about your scrape.
Can't believe the adaptive headlights are malfunctioning!! I hear that these are only installed once they arrive at the dealership, so it stands to reason that if the dealership was rushed to get your car out of the door, something was left undone.
How did (do) you know the lights were malfunctioning?
BMW-Greenwich won't be able to do the inspection for you -- they tried for me, but no-go. You'll have to do it at a location in NYS. Should only take a few minutes.
Let the sales agent know that you've not yet submitted an evaluation of his performance (BMW will call you or send you a survey) and that if he wants "5"s he has to make it right!
I finished reading the owner's manual tonight. I am also wondering about my alarm. I lock the car using the remote and the clown nose does not blink. My car also did not come with an emergency kit, but it is not clear to me that it should. It is one of those * items in the owner's manual. Are you sure that we're supposed to have it? Which package does it come with, or is it standard on the 330?
Oddly, BMW of Greenwich's service center is located in NY (Portchester) even though their sales center is located in CT (Greenwich). So the service center does NYS inspections.
My CA is such a newbie. He's had some screwups, as you might expect. If I'm being honest, I would not give him 5s. But he's a real nice guy and I'd like to do my small part (even if I'm not being completely honest) to give him an opportunity to score some extra cash or whatever other benefits CAs derive from 5s. Today I received in the mail a thank you note and a small gift - a New 3 mousepad. I had admired the one on his desk and asked about getting one. Apparently it is not an official BMW accessory and was therefore difficult to obtain.
Any experience with them? Good / bad?