Pontiac G6

webby1

I am getting a GT for my son...I do not understand the complains re pricing
http://www.gmcanada.com/english/vehicles/2005/pontiac/gpg6/gpg6_m- ode_02.html
very reasonable for 27,685 Cdn ?!!!
Check out std equipment....and you can use up to $1500.00 GM points,also if you qualify for recent graduate 1000.00 extra discount.
Can not find another vehicle that comes close with auto std, V6 200 hp and 220 ft/lbs torque, 17 inch wheels with 225/50/17 Conti Tires all std and great mileage on reg gas !!!!!
I think it is the best bargain in Canada right now.
Webby

anonymousposts

"At the same time, the Japanese are increasing their fleet sales."

Which Japanese brands are increasing their fleet sales. Honda has repeatedly said they will keep fleet at a minimum and Toyota wants it no higher than 10%. Mazda and Mitsubishi have always sold to fleets, especially Mitsubishi. But even Mitsu has tried to cut back it's reliance on fleet sales.

venus537

i don't have the greatest opinion of these two but it does offer yet another perspective.

http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=16- 592

not a lot of posts for a brand new model. where is everybody?

exalteddragon1

is trash reporting, it should not be put on Edmunds forums, for all of edmunds faults, at least they know what they are talking about.

In the Datenews article, it lists the compeitors to the G6 from BMW's 3 series, to the Hyundai Sonata.

These people should not be taken seriously, and probably aren't.

So, who in here owns a G6?

carguy58

I read in the Wall Street Jornual the other day the G6 has an average of 88 days of inventory on the lot so thats not good for a car that GM really wants to penetrate the mid-size market with. I do like the G6 but like the Mazda 6 its just not selling. With the exaception of the Altima which to me is "sporty looking" there is no room for sporty looking cars in the mid-size category anymore. I wonder why that is. The Accord in recent years that has grown in size while exterior styling has declined.

In response to post 1085 yeah the Japanese are offering more incentives to sell cars to compete with the Domestic Big 3. My position on that is the Domestic Big 3 are forcing the Japanese into that.

bigdaddycoats

Since October was the first month for G6 sales, I would not put much into the days supply that has been reported. I think there was some inventory build up at the start of sales. I would expect that number to drop quite a bit over the next month.

montanafan

They only started shipments the first weeks of September. They sold 4,100 in October. They have 6,000 on the ground. They have 2,800 dealers, some haven't even received a G6 yet. And the Wall Street Journal is ready to declare it a failure?

venus537

well toyota, nissan and honda all reported record sales again last month. they also increased their market share. what information are you basing your position that the japanese are offering more incentives? considering the domestic big 3 sales performance last month, it will be them who'll be increasing/maintaining their incentives.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0411/06/b01-325111.htm

carnuts

Bunnin Pontiac discount 4K off MSRP, they have alot in stock.

http://www.bunninautomotive.com/en_US/

expect more discount next month

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2004/11/04/1104automarketscan09.htm- l?partner=yahoo&referrer=

carguy58

"They only started shipments the first weeks of September. They sold 4,100 in October. They have 6,000 on the ground. They have 2800 dealers, some even haven't recieved a G6 yet. And the Wall Street Journal is ready to declare it a failure?

The Wall Street Journal just said that the G6 has an 88 day inventory. I just think its not that good when a car that is that new to have an 88 day inventory. We will see how the car does. I've been a japanese Car Fan mainly but I am not one of them bias people. I am not fond of the look of the 03 Accord Sedan and would probably take a G6 over it. Its the first GM product that I actually have a liking towards thats affordable for a person like me. I like the Caddy Convertible but thats like 75,000 dollars.

Response to post 1094(carnuts):

I seen the inventory list at that dealer from the link you provided. I was surprised to see a G6 at 27K but then again Accord EX V6 and Camry XLE V6 go for about that so I guess I shouldn't have sticker shock like that for the G6.

I have seen a few G6's around Jersey.

1487

as someone stated before that is almost impossible. The car has only been in production for two months, which is obviously 60 days so I fail to see how the supply is at 88 days already. Considering how well the grand am sold (with incentives towards the end) I'm sure the G6 will sell just fine. When the '04 GP launched I didnt see many for the first two months or so but now I see several per day. I read another article stating that dealers wanted more cars on the lot after the Oprah promotion. I went to a Pontiac dealer and they had three cars on the lot. Hardly a 88 day supply of cars. On top of that they were all loaded GT models with the chrome wheels. I think that article is jumping the gun just a little bit. The car hasnt even hit full production levels yet. I sat in the car at the dealership and I didnt find any issues with the interior other than rear headroom. The car I saw was a little pricey but we all know your transaction price would be at leat $1500 less than MSRP.

dan165

I agree, the G6 is a good deal in Canada anyway. Similar Grand Prix lists for $2500-3000 more and isn't that much bigger.

If I was buying again today, I would likely go for a G6 but I love my Grand Prix and will drive it for a few more years.

Good luck with the purchase. I think they have 0% for 36 months or 2.9% for 60.

gmhellman

Where I live many a car dealer haven't sold a car in weeks. I don't think the 88 days has anything to do with the car being "bad",but that many people are not able to afford new cars right now even with the incentives. Many people have lost jobs or have had to take pay cuts just so that they can keep their job. I would probably wait another couple of months until spring before I trust any reports of long waits on lots. If I were to be in a position to buy the G6 I would wait for the spring to see if the incentives get any better. The only two things that are going to happen is that the incentives will increase or you will end up paying the same price as now. I highly doubt any type of price increase over the mfr price....after all this is not some type of niche car.

yurakm

many people are not able to afford new cars right now even with the incentives. Many people have lost jobs or have had to take pay cuts just so that they can keep their job....

And even more people already bought new car(s) last year, or two, or three years ago.

ramped

Just got a mailer from GM Card that ups my bonus points by $1,500 and adds an additional $500 for several new '05 models, including the G6. That might jumpstart sales. I think many potential buyers are waiting for the inevitable incentives.

1487

I hope I get that GM card promotion in the near future. I have seen four G6s in the last three days or so. All were the base model with the 16" alloy wheels.

gmhellman

I fully agree with yurakm, I bought a brand new 2002 Sierra fully loaded off the lot and had to sell it 2.5 years later because of the high payments. While reading the classifieds of our local paper I see many people in the same boat. I think that too many people have tried to purchase a new car/truck and have found the payments to be too difficult. I think that some people will be a little shy about purchasing another new car right now.

ocmike3

Agree, with strong car & truck sales, in part due to generous incentives the last couple of years; GM and others have over sold to many folks... but the bright side is it's great for the used car market - some real good deals to be had. (I picked up my 2002 GA SE1 w/23k miles for 9k (KBB retail was $11700) in late august from a dealer)

turboshadow

I was having my car serviced yesterday and walked over to the Pontiac lot. I was looking at one of the G6s (they had four) and a salesman walked over. I told him my car was in the shop and we started talking. I asked him how well the G6 was selling and he said they'd sold two so far.

I really thought it would be selling better....

Turboshadow

webby1

Found out from GM salesman today that GM must get 32 % market share therefore they will be offering great deals for next 2 months...whatever it takes.
Mustang is to hit the dealers on Friday so after a test drive it will be the G6 or the pony.

dan165

GM really pushed in December last year with the ring and win. I would wait for that, it's usually an extra $1000 off any car/truck.

webby1

I today's National Post GM offers locked-in interest for two buys. The program is called " Lock 'n' Roll ".
You can lock in for your second car at 0% for 36 months, 3.9% for 60 and 2.9% for 48 months. Consumer can make the second purchase anytime before the first loan expires. Consumer can buy a different GM model with the 2nd purchase.
What's next ????

e2helper

Just curious.

vanman1

I've seen 2 on the road so someone is buying.

They look great I mite add. I will likely buy a GT or GTP in a couple of years when I replace my Intrigue.

1487

As i said, I have seen three or four but none where GT models. I would wait for the GTP model although I imagine the sticker price will be rather high. I noticed on Motorweek that the GTP model has additional chrome accents on the controls and around the shifter. Those would really brighten the interior. I also liked the 18" wheels on the GTP but I'm sure they extract a penalty in ride quality.

dan165

GTP looks like the way to go if you can wait.

Anyone know if the 3.9L will have DOD standard ?

steve_il

Wonder if this incentive applies to all GM cardholders? I haven't received anything from them. They might be attempting to "target" mailings based on some unknown criteria.

dan165

0% for 36 months is the only incentive in Canada right now. No cash at all.

ramped

That seems possible. I'm in Florida if that offers any clue. It might be because of the drop in sales around here due to the hurricanes a couple of months ago.

mt418

Has anyone experienced any problems with the door locks and trunk release on the new G6? I took delivery of a new G6 this past Saturday, and starting a couple days ago the door locks will automatically lock/unlock while I'm driving the vehicle, and just starting last night the trunk will sometimes pop open, while I'm driving!! I called the dealer and I'm taking the car in on Monday to have Service take a look at it, but has anyone else experienced this problem????

Also, twice I've locked the vehicle after parking it, and then when I've came back out to my car the doors were already unlocked and the trunk ajar.....possibly a remote-keyless-entry problem? Could other people's remotes be unlocking my car?

Thanks for your responses.

e2helper

Hi,

Thanks for being most likely the first actual G6 owner to post with a question/concern on their vehicle. I have been patiently waiting

Your vehicle is likely covered under a customer satisfaction recall #04088 which came out earlier this month. GM is likely sending you notification on it but you could probably set up an appointment with dealer to fix without waiting for that notification.

The problem you are experiencing is related to water intrusion into the driver door latch (believe it or not!).

To prevent this condition from occurring, your Pontiac dealer will reprogram the body control module. After this reprogramming, you will continue to be able to lock and unlock all of the doors using remote keyless entry transmitter or the door locks inside the vehicle and you will be able to unlock the trunk using the remote keyless entry transmitter or the trunk release button inside the vehicle. You will not be able to open the passenger doors or trunk by turning the key in the driver’s door. A supplement will be provided for the Owner's Manual with this updated information.

By the way (if you have the remote start option) after you pick up your repaired vehicle make sure the remote start feature still works. The reprogramming the dealer has to do requires them to reenable remote start. They are told to make sure this is done but you may want to double-check them.

Good luck and sorry for the problems. Hope you are enjoying your G6 otherwise

mt418

Thanks!!

It was raining out yesterday when all this was happening, so that makes sense.....

Other than that I think the G6 is great! We were going to get a new Grand Prix (because we traded in our 2001 Grand Prix, which I loved) but my wife didn't like the new body style of the Grand Prix, so we went with the G6 instead.

Thanks again! I'll mention this to the Service Advisor on Monday when I take the car in.

dan165

Sounds like an electronics malfunction either with your remote sending signals randomly or the system in the car. I suspect the system in the car is at fault because the auto locks will not open with a remote when a car is driving.

Should be an easy fix though. Glad you like the car.

turboshadow

I just saw my first one on the road two days ago. Then we get the first real owner posting yesterday. A salesman told me that sales were far behind what was expected.

Are a lot of people like me and waiting to buy one a couple years old on the used car market? Or is it what the salesman told me; people are shopping them against the old Grand Ams and will not buy the more expensive G6. He said, "If we can get them to drive it, they buy it, but they look at the sticker vs the Grand Am and just go back to the Grand Am."

Turboshadow

mt418

That's interesting, because I tried that yesterday, AND YES I AM ABLE TO OPEN THE DOOR LOCKS / TRUNK WHILE DRIVING - WITH THE KEY IN THE IGNITION - USING THE REMOTE!

So you're probably right in that the system in the car is at fault. I'll post another message once I get it fixed, to let you know what the Service Dept. says.

I love the car....it took us a while to find the one we wanted, though, we shopped four different dealerships. Most of the dealerships only had 2 or 3 to even look at!!! The place where I bought it says they're just not getting them in! Even back when Oprah gave all those G6's away, the place where I bought mine says they didn't have any at that time to even show people!

Is it because people aren't buying them, or is GM just not making very many?

Like I said, I wanted another Grand Prix, but I'm very happy with the G6 (other than the door lock problem which I'm currently experiencing, but it sounds like that can be fixed.....I just wonder now how many other Recalls I'm going to get.....on this first year model)!!!!!

Anyways, I've had a '95 and a '99 Grand Am in the past, and I know I've only had this G6 now for about a week, but I do think I'm going to like it better than the Grand Am's.....there's definitely more room on the inside, and there's plenty of "get-up-and-go", which is what I like about the Pontiacs.

mt418

Turboshadow, The problem I ran into was that the places I looked there wasn't much to choose from! I finally found the color that I wanted (Black) with the options that I wanted, but I had to look at 4 different dealerships.

Also, with the G6-GT, If I'm going to spend that kind of money ($25K +) then I'm going to choose a Grand Prix instead.....but my wife didn't like the new Grand Prix's so we bought a G6.

I'll post messages on here every so often to keep you all informed of our new G6. Thanks for all of your responses so far!

1487

The G6's sales will not take off until all the Grand Ams are gone. With all the incentives on the '04 grand am the price difference between a GA and G6 is substantial. I have seen about five already.

venus537

so should the difference in resale value. i don't see much value in the GA unless you're going to keep it till the wheels fall.

vanman1

Are there 2005 Grand Ams or are these all left over 04's? I know there are 05 Cavaliers around so..

beach15

No, there are still 2005 Grand Am's. Not sure for how much longer, but they're still showing up on the lots.

mlm4

So let me understand this. Due to water intrusion into the door latch there seems to be an intermittent short circuit or something that is causing the system to unlock the doors. So the fix is to disable the key-in-cylinder unlock feature in the software? Shouldn't they really be fixing the water intrusion problem? Talk about a band-aid solution!

e2helper

I think you understand the situation

golfnut5

I think GM has made a design mistake with the G6 and Cadillac STS. The G6 looks too much like the Grand Prix and the STS looks too much like the CTS.

dan165

Aside from the nose, I don't see a lot the same in the Grand Prix vs the G6. As for the Caddy, the sheer size of the STS makes it stand out from the CTS. Almost all car lines share some of the same traits / looks. It's nothing new.

venus537

this is a brand spankin new model! why are there no posts from new owners with their comments? where's the enthusiasm like there was with the new mazda6?

e2helper

ditto

ramped

There still aren't many for sale in my area (Central Florida). This doesn't seem to be a well executed roll out to me.

Also, much of the Mazda6 discussion last year centered on the stain issue (since resolved) around the windows. That was responsible for about 50 or 60 posts a day for several months.

Few of these boards are busy now. Guess people are still recuperating from the election, or preparing for the holidays.

ocmike3

Hmmmm..... I thought the G6 looked too much like the Accord!

dan165

Ya it does look like an Accord a bit, only much better!

venus537

though it's an accord wannabe i don't think it looks like an accord. more closer to a camry perhaps.

if the reaction (as in lack of) to this car from this forum is any indication, then GM has to be discouraged.

the G6 reminds me of two other cars on the market, the altima and mazda6 (though it has a different name, the G6 is essentially a replacement for the grand am). these cars had revolutionary redesigns that propelled them from a ho-hum mediocre image to a sporty exciting image. there was a lot of buzz in the air about these cars when they first came out.

it's not encouraging that GM is attracting people to the showroom who just assumed drive away in a grand am because it has a lower sticker price. well they'll eventually get those people because the grand am will be gone but what about those people who wouldn't be get caught dead in a grand am in the first place?

nissan/mazda captured many customers of the altima/mazda6 who would of never considered the earlier altima and mazda 626.

i have no doubt that the G6 will be a big seller, but will it sell in the same way as the grand am did - on price, needing heavy financial incentives? lets hope not because in the long run it just brings down the brand image.