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Could you explain what you meant by this: "I would take a look at the Vue RedLine and use those 18" with the 55 aspect ratio or you will be rubbing the tires to an early expensive death. I mean the Chevy 17" upgrade is only $300 for 17" rims and tires with 60 aspect and a simple change a dealer can do." Do you mean to suggest I just get 16inch wheels and ask the dealership to upgrade them their? I really am not a techie and I'm trying to find out what benefits, if any within reason larger tires might have (besides great looks).
Hey Nortsr1: The squeaky wheel gets the oil. You gotta complain to get changes made for the better. This would be a boring thread if not for me since we still have not gotten any feedback from new owners yet. What hasn't been discussed on this car yet?
If that's what you think, then why are you looking at wasteful SUVs? Surely a Saturn L Wagon would be a much more efficient vehicle for you.
I like the CRV and Vue since they have better power to weight ratios AND good MPG's. The Nox does worse in both those catagories.
FYI
If I was shopping for a wagon: Mazda6 wagon. Great price, great American made engine, great looks, great 5 speed man. tranny
If you haven't noticed, the only thing GM sells that's kinda in the wagon class is the SRX? Another stupid move on GM's part.
I bet they sell every Silverado too. Nut they are in the paper for $8000 off msrp right now. I'd buy a NOX in a minute if they were that cheap.
p.s. I predict $15k NOX's next year.
While I understand the issues about horsepower, gas mileage and engine origination, when it really comes down to it - it's about how the vehicle feels when you drive it. I was looking to get a loaded Colorado 4WD crew cab. But I didn't like the rough-riding Z71 suspension. So I test drove the Equinox. I was very impressed. Good power. Good handling. Absolutely incredible interior room. I am 6'8" tall. I can put the seat all the way back and have big legroom for the rear seat passenger. I got a salsa red metallic AWD loaded. Yes, it's a bit pricey before the big rebates kick in. But my wife loves driving a vehicle nobody has seen yet. I got $1900 off total and finally cashed in my dwindling $4500 of GM Card dollars.
The car/truck is very good looking IMHO. In the red with body colored bumpers it is really striking. We shall see how it holds up over time. I think the interior looks much better than the Colorado. I like what they've done in the smallish cargo compartment with the movable cargo shelf and grocery bad hangers.
Complaints: no grab handles! Inexcusable. All 5 doors are difficult to shut. They are fairly lightweight and the car seems to be very airtight. The odometer doesn't shown tenths.
I had this same basic engine in a 1988 Chevy Beretta with a 3 spd auto. The Eq powertrain may not compete on paper with the imports, but it does a good job on the road and is light years ahead of that primitive 88 setup. I've owned big Mercedes S classes, Porsches and just came out of a BMW 330i. I've had the best and I don't think the Equinox is that far behind. We are very happy with our purchase.
Mr Bots, There seem to be a few Equinox haters here. Like you say, if you don't like it don't buy it. I personally don't care about mileage either so 24 mpg or 26 mpg is all the same even with higher gas prices. That said, my GP easily gets 30+ mpg which is nice.
http://autoweek.com/search/search_display.mv?port_code=autoweek&a- mp;cat_code=review&content_code=06233503&Search_Type=STD&- amp;Search_ID=20933638&record=1
Comparing the NOX to the Vue doesn't do me any good since I wouldn't buy a VUE either.
I didn't get the details but thought that someone here might want to check it out. Had there been such a deal when I was ready to sign, I might have gone with the Nox notwithstanding the cheap interior. Of course, there's no comparison to the Volvo.
Carsntrucks: Best of luck with your Nox. Hope you get many enjoyable miles out of it.
I was very disappointed when they got rid of the fusion orange metallic.
I would like a dark purple. Could you find out if that is an available color and what the offical color name is. The closest to purple I see out on the website is a laser blue metallic.
It's been great going back and forth guys. See you in a couple years.
Says alot when it still beats newer designs from the competion.
The purple is laser blue in the US and called ultra violet in Canada, but they must be the same color. Maybe you saw it under different lighting.
Joey2brix, "When you come down to it, Honda is always the best value". YA RIGHT! I'd give you an ear full, but that's for another forum. Not that they are bad cars but rarely the best value even with the better re-sale.
Mr Bots, Rear drum front discs can be just as good if not better than all discs. Reviews seem to point to strong braking on the Equinox also. It's a cosmetic thing for some here it would seem.
Even if my Honda isn't the best value. It beat the NOX as it's currently priced. I have more power, same gas mileage, DVD entertainment option, all power, etc for the price of a 3 year NOX lease. Had I been able to spread the historically awesome depreciation history of the Ody over 3 years, there would have been an even larger disparity in price vs. the NOX. In the case of the NOX vs. Ody there is no value comparison. By the way, the insurance came up to $200/6 months. WOW!!!!
A agree I wanted the 4 wheel discs for looks. I have 4 cars out there now with 4 wheel discs. From a little Civic Si to the new Ody. Sure the Ody is no SUV but isn't the first letter in SUV "Sport"? How can you be "sporty" without 4 wheel discs? But then again...how can you be "sporty" with 185 hp in what equates to a 2 ton vehicle when you add passengers?
I can't see my wheels when I'm cruising anyway :-)
Steve, Host
Carsdirect.com is advertising 19/25 for gas mileage. Has anyone experienced differently?
Plenty of name brand lifetime pads out there.
Exterior Colour Interior Colour
Sandstone Metallic
Galaxy Silver Metallic
Black
Laser Blue Metallic
Dark Silver Metallic
Salsa Red Metallic
Meander Green Metallic
Summit White
Dark Gray
Cashmere
http://www.gmcanada.com/english/vehicles/chevytrucks/equinox/equi- _showroom.html
I was set on buying an Equinox with the orange fusion metallic when they then pulled that color of the available list down here on the US GM website.
I would take either of those colors if they were available down here.
My earlier comment above on colors was what I found if you follow the build your own off the website you listed.
Also, even though the Equinox is not meant for off roading, it must do better than an average car, the ground clearance alone should help that out some bit. That may also be the definition of the word "sport" in SUV.
Steve, The rear drums on my old Accord were never changed once in 186K kms. I had to change the front discs twice however. Drums seem to last much longer in my experience. Both our current vehicles have all discs.
Anywho, I was very impressed. I've been thinking about purchasing a new vehicle and have been really wanting an Element but after seeing the Equinox in person, I had to put that decision on hold.
Actually the Odyssey has a 0-60 time of anywhere from 7.5 seconds (Car & Driver) to 8.1 (Edmunds recent minivan comparison test). Either one tops the 8.5 posted by the Equinox, And that's with the Ody's 3.5 pulling 800 more pounds. And since we all know the 3.4 in the Equinox is tuned for low-end torque I'm sure the disparity will become even greater as speeds increase. Guess the Ody is more worthy of being a "sport" utility vehicle than the Equinox.
The on demand AWD system on the Equinox really does not provide anymore off road capability then a minivan with optional AWD.
Get with the program GM.
atlgaxt, Low 0-60 times, is this what van and truck buyers are looking for? I doubt it.
My first car a 89 Baretta GT was very quick and responsive to the pedal. My second, a Geo Tracker which was much much slower than my Baretta but a whole lot better on fuel economy. My current car a 99 Infinity G20 (if I remember correctly) takes almost 10 seconds or more to reach 60 when the pedal is smashed from a dead stop.
Did that detract me from buying it? Hell No. I still loved the car, it gets good mileage and can move when it needs to.
What matters most to me are looks and fuel economy so im guessing my next purchase will be an Equinox.
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My leased Ody had 5 miles on it when I picked it up. I'll only own it for 24,000 miles and it doesn't have a tow hitch. Recall has nothing to do with me. Knowing the GM history though, I wouldn't bring up the "recall" word on a first year vehicle.
Better stick with the looks. The fuel economy can be matched by a number of speedier(more powerful) competitors. Including the Redline. Heck, a 4 cylinder manual Escape gets durn near 30 mpg. You know, since speed ain't a concern. Although it's probably just as fast as the NOX due to less weight.
Low 0-60 times mean effortless acceleration at more speeds. Power is power. Van and especially truck buyers never get enough power. That's why the Trailblazer's 270 hp straight 6 wasn't enough so they shoehorned a V8 in there. The Explorer got a V8 too. Not to mention the Lightning and Dodge SRT-10. So before you "doubt it" better check the market.
The G20 had a lot of luxury for the money. It was slow though. hey were $19,999 here in Atlanta which was a steal for the equipment they offered along with the Infiniti name.
A well equipped NOX needs about $3000 in rebates to bring it's price to a ereasonable level comensurate with it's materials.
I was pointing out that this was all false. Neither the Equinox or a minivan is a real truck and neither are meant to be driven off road. The fact also is most new minivans with modern drivetrains will also out accelerate an Equinox, as will many, many SUVs.
Basically, buying an Equinox over a new Honda, Toyota, or Nissan minivan means you are getting a tidier size and arguably better exterior style, a smaller interior, a crude and older engine with less power, and a more plasticky interior (as compared to the Japanese minivans).
couldn't access it do you have BAC or GMID? other ways to see it?
whats most important (to me) are looks and fuel economy. That means its my personal opinion and regardless of how much you don’t like GM your not gonna change my opinion of the company.
I don’t care how the Equinox stacks up against a Toyota or Honda minivan because I’m not interested in any of those. I’ve never been the person that shopped for vehicles because of reliability because my previous two GM cars were very reliable for me. I’ve always been a GM customer until I got my G20.
As for the G20, well as an owner, I can tell you that there is NOT “a lot of luxury” in the car. Outside of heated seats and leather interior my car has nothing that I wouldn’t find in a fully loaded 99 Sentra. And as far as how slow it is, well an owner would know the best way to compensate.