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Interestingly i just got/installed my fog lights at a dealership on my new '07 CRV.
1) Scratches in the upholstery by the ignition probably made by a screwdriver.. it's no big deal i can live with it, but i just wish they would take care of the customers' car a little better.
2) The steering column cover? (im not sure what it's called, but its the part that attaches directly to the steering wheel) is put in lopsided when they installed the new stalk. When i look the steering column in front of me the right side is higher than the left. I called them about the problem they said they will fix it, but its just more hassle bringing it in again.
Have to jump in...
These do NOT have A/C compressor problems!!"
Yet.
Just kidding; there have been no reports of 2007 A/C failures. However, the Gen 2 compressors did not begin failing until around 30K or so miles and up.
But I think the Gen 2 is just a bad batch of compressors that Honda got from its supply sources.
I would not hesitate to buy a Gen 3 CR-V based of any fear of A/C failure.
We are a VERY high volume dealer with a VERY busy shop and they can count the A/C compressors they have replaced on CRV's using a couple of fingers.
Misery loves company. When one person complains about something in one of these forums it attracts others like a magnet! Not just Honda either!
I dont care about the 100k warranty
I looked around at Schlossman's - they dont have any 07 and just a few 08.
This method is common for Honda, Toyota, Subaru. BMW and Mercedes Benz will alter their production line to accommodate permutations of a base model to meet the customer's demand. This also explains why Honda can deliver the sheer volume that they do vs. BMW or MB.
I would request in writing that the cost of the accessories as well as the labor hours required for install are detailed in the purchase request. The prices set for labor hours also vary between dealerships - inquire with each shop and make sure that they don't differ between maintenance/service/repair.
Also check H & A Accessories and College Hills Honda (Google these) for price as well as Edmunds for MSRP vs. invoice price. This will give you a good idea of what the dealership is marking up for overhead/inventory/profit.
+ 7% NJ tax
+ $7.50 tire fee
+ $269 documentary fee
+ $254 registration and title for 4 years.
So, OTD is 277XX.XX
I believe the price of the vechile is quite reasonable. However, the documentary fee is higher than other dealers. However with price, no other accessories were included.
Also, I am not sure if other buyers were charged the registration and title fee for 4 years like I was, because I am new to NJ. Anyone has comments?
And I will get my new car in about 2 weeks.
Welcome to NJ. The four year registration started a few years ago - to keep DMV traffic down.
Price include destination: $254XX
+ 7% NJ tax
+ $7.50 tire fee
+ $269 documentary fee
+ $254 registration and title for 4 years.
So, OTD is 277XX.XX
I believe the price of the vechile is quite reasonable. However, the documentary fee is higher than other dealers. However with price, no other accessories were included.
Also, I am not sure if other buyers were charged the registration and title fee for 4 years like I was, because I am new to NJ. Anyone has comments?
And I will get my new car in about 2 weeks.
This led me to conclude that the profit margin for Greensboro and Raleigh Honda dealers was $1,000 more than for Wilson, NC.
Buy someplace outside of the big cities and save!
Was quoted $26,600 that included
Splash Guards
Wheel Locks
Detail Service
and Destination Charge
+TTL
OK deal for an 07 or should I try for an 08? I'd also consider purchasing from the Chicago area but not sure if I'd get that much more of a discount.
I know these cars are in high demand, but come on, they are not that cool that they are worth over invoice!
The people I have worked with seems to kinda brush me off - probably because I told her were not looking today, but in the next couple weeks
I am not dissing Honda, I own a 2007 CRV EXL and have NO problems...and on Honda's good side of this, they have made good on the greater majority of them, even though they are out of warranty...but...THERE IS A PROBLEM with those aforementioned years.(and they know about it big time)!!!!
I did read some of those postings about failed A/C compressors in CRV's and I was surprised because this was news to me.
So, I asked. A group of our Service Advisors, our Service Manager and probably a half dozen technicans were having a meeting and I asked them what they knew of this horrible problem.
They looked at one another with puzzled looks on their faces, and finally one of the techs mentioned that he had replaced ***one*** failed compressor on, I think a 2003.
Another guy said he had replaced one too because of a noisy bearing.
So, yeah, based on MY knowledge, this is hardly the problem you would like everyone to think it is.
Now, there is a possibility that there were a batch of bad compressors that were installed on some CRV's that went to other parts of the country? If a supplier has a problem, it becomes Honda's problem!
I don't need to do a lot of reading. I know how people like to chime in with their tales of woe. Misery certainly loves company. My 2003 CRV has been flawless but not every one will be perfect.
I just don't like to see the hand wringing that can go on in these forums. Like you said, Honda has ALWAYS gone abouve and beyond the terms of their warranty when they recognize a problem. I'm glad that you at least mentioned that.
I just don't understand.
You are a salesman and should know better.
If you do not believe me people, search his previous posts and you will see that he wants us to feel sorry for him.
The educated car buyer knows that a dealer gets money for each car he sells, AKA as holdback which is usually 2 % of the MSRP AND bonuses at the end of the month for a certain volume of cars sold.
Hope everyone out there does not feel guilty buying a CR-V at invoice now.....
$25,000 w/destination no other options.
IS THIS A GOOD DEAL????
I had a 07 4wd EX-L w/o nav offered me in S. Carolina for 25K (including dest) last week.
I thought it was a pretty good deal--about invoice as listed on Edmunds.
I didn't want to pay the extra $ for leather, etc., so I went for the EX 4WD instead.
$25,000 w/destination no other options.
IS THIS A GOOD DEAL????
Just bought a crv ex-l 2007 2wd aka fwd with navi no other upgrades or add ons. Glacier Blue.
$27,000 OTD. I gave up on trying to get an EX-L 08 as the best quote I got was $29,300 OTD and they are not due in for 2 weeks at best. My 2007 exl quotes ranged from 27 - 30k and 2008 quotes from 29,300 to 31k. All OTD prices on 2wd with Navi.
27k was at Kuhn honda in Tampa. They were soooo much better than any other dealer. Fast, efficient and did not lie.
Here is the breakdown for those who care:
Base: 24,730
Electronic Filing: 24
Lead Acid Batter Fee: 1.5
WAste Tire Fee: 5
Destination: 599.99
Tax: 1571.68
Transfer tag: 65
mvwtf: 2
Total: 27,000
I wanted the 08 as it has dual air but gave up on waiting for the 08 EXL's. Plust they were 2k more here in Tampa. They didnt even fuss at the 27k OTD. I guess I could have come in lower or asked for some add ons... either way it was close enough! Hope this helps!
Price: $22353
Destination: $635
Taxes: $754
Dealer Fees + tags: $328
I really wasn't interested in a AWD but they didn't have a 2WD EX in my color (had to be red to match my company logo) and they made an offer I couldn't refuse.
About ~$100 under invoice but the inflated dealer fees make up for that. All things considered, a couple hundred over invoice. The sales guys were nice and easy to work with which made the whole process of spending 24K a lot easier to handle
Let me know what you guys think. Did I do OK? :confuse:
Ths last thing in the world I would want would be for anyone to feel sorry for me so you can get off that kick.
Someone came here, wondering why a dealer wouldn't sell a new CRV for invoice. I asked WHY a dealer would sell a popular car for what they paid for it.
For the 200th time, holdback HELPS pay for flooring. It does NOT fall to the bottom line as profit. And there is NO end of the month "bonus" for selling a certain number of cars. At least not for Honda there isn't.
But, none of this really matters anyway. What a dealer happened to pay for a car isn't the issue. The MARKET will always determine pricing.
People read things here and then wonder why a dealer won't cheap sell a popular car!
Only the owner and not the sales people knows the real invoice and all the many other factory incentives that are currently available.
If you sold this car at the real invoice or even a hundred dollars over the real invoice the owner of the store would not even be able to pay his electric bill or keep you employed.
invoice+destination: 21200
tax: 1829
dmv fee: 67.5
Total OTD: $23096 (beige color)
Yes, the "real" invoices are delivered by guys in black helicopters in the middle of the night!
What is scary is the fact that you probably really believe this!
You have no idea what you are talking about but I'm sure somepeople would believe you.
I'd like to purchase before Christmas. I see from the invoice prices listed at Costco.com that the 08 invoice price is less than the 07. Suggestions on waiting for the 08 & will they be available in my area prior to Xmas?
Thanks!
I think the others here already know this.
Given that my girlfriend wants to purchase a new CRV LX base model by the end of the year. The MSRP is $21,375 here is Florida.
Is it true that you may have more leverage at the end of the month and around the holidays when sales slow somewhat?
The dealers in Florida add a dealer fee of $600.00 to $700.00 per vehicle. What is the best way to handle that?
With appreciation and kind regards,
Brandon,
the dealership is a business, and thus the principle is to make as much profit as possible. Like isellhondas said earlier its the market that dictates the price of a car, so the dealership would naturally try to fleece its customers for whatever the market allows. If honesty to you means the dealership has to be totally transparent with their finances, then imho you are expecting too much. As for invoices, there are so many factors that can affect the price. The dealers can use invoices to grease the process of a sale, but thats about all they are good for.
It's true that sometimes better deals can be had during the final days of the month as dealers try to push for sales.
the week between Christmas and New Years (for us anyway)is always the busiest week of the year. We are hammered!
I don't understand the 600-700 fee some stores charge but I read in these forums that this happens. We charge a 50.00 doc fee which doesn't really cover our expenses.
Good Luck!
I'm not sure you can negotiate the doc. fees.
Does this seem like a good price. If I started contacting all the dealers I asked for pricing from I may get it price down a bit more but is it worth the time. I could also get the extra stuff on-line.
A dealer west of Chicago $27,434.
Rear Tailgate Spoiler $390
splash guards $63
all season floor mats $139.
Document Fee - $58.48
Sales Tax - $1,812.36
New License Plates - $143
Total Cost - $29,837.84
Is so, do you feel that you got a better deal because it was Black Friday?
Thanks, Trin
Note: Black Friday is the day that most retailers transition from being in the red to black on their P & L statements (from operating at a loss to making a profit)--hence, the name Black Friday.