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Bob
Also, they haven't posted any colours - I know they are different in Canada. I tried to order one which is close to the Red in the states - I hope it is!
Bob
I may be in the minority here, but I think the Titan XE with front color keyed grille & bumper looks better than the SE/LE Chrome front.
I also think the SE 5 spokes look better than the LE 6 spokes. Like I said, I'm probably in the minority! : )
I didn't go for the XE because i really wanted to be able to tow over 6000lbs. and since I have a 5000 travel trailer, it would have cost $1000 just to get it trailer ready ($500 for hitch, ball receiver, platform, $500 for electric breaks, wiring and pigtails etc...). I also really wanted the off road package because our roads suck up here. The Rancho shocks will just last longer than the standards and it is cheaper to buy 17" winter tires also. Other little things like a increased CCA battery is really necessary up here.
The two things I liked about the XE were the split bench (Nissan Canada neads their head examined for not offering it on the SE) and the body coloured grills/bumper. Trust me, the chrome is going to rust up here. They put so much salt on the road, our lakes taste like the ocean!
I am going to lease because if I need that extra seating space, I am going to trade-in in a couple of years...I KNOW they will offer split bench soon in the SE (Dodge doesn't even have buckets!).
I really think the final decision came down to two things: 1. The price for the almost fully loaded SE OR 4x4 was only $6000 more - and there is much more worth in the SE than that. 2. I think I am more apt to need the Towing and OR package than the extra seat in the next 3 to 4 years.
I always like reading your humor with Canadian twist! Hey soft water means soft skin/shiny hair! Our water is very hard with lime content. The skin dries just as the water is bouncing off!
Anyway, Congrats!! And let us know how that 4x4 goes in snow!
The back seat has major legroom and has a very comfortable back (I didn't measure the angle but there was more of an angle than in my frontier. If anything, with all that legroom they should have made the bottom a little longer to give better thigh support.
As Bowke mentioned earlier, they wouldn't allow me to test drive because it was a pre-production and it is against the law; even up here.
All in all, I am very happy I ordered it; although, the shifter on the floor and the bucket seats didn't impress me as I have stated before.
My dealer also got confirmation yesterday on a January build date and they were able to change the colour to red; cool!
I've checked out Silver,Aqua Blue,Sedona,&Red Brawny Titans. The Blue is very dark, the Sedona is a nice brown. The Sedona & Brawny I noticed changed hues in different light. Really Cool ! They both had a very very fine flake or pearl somewhat close to dark blue? Like I said, very hard to isolate even in bright sunshine. The salesman was surprised I noticed. He mentioned the technical term about Nissan paint process but I didn't catch it.
Do you recall bowke? Long story short, they look NICE !
If there aren't 4x4 markings, & because of unlevel ground you don't know for sure it's a 4x4; well the tow hooks in front bumper give it away....
There was a white XE KC. The key colored grille/bumper does look better than chrome, imo.
Can't wait till mine arrives!
We bought a new 2000 Impala in 1999. A new design car and we had a few problems. The parts needed to be ordered a couple of times. Our wait was only a few days.
Hopefully Nissan will keep up if needed. They have alot riding on this truck's performance in the market
You perform a great service to us readers by keeping us informed from an "insiders" trade rollout. Please keep it up.
You can bet that Nissan won't stand still here. I bet they are also considering one.
Bob
From what I've read it will be much larger than the current Tundra.
Bob
p.s. you have to admit to the humor, though! ;-)
Yeah, I know, that's what the customers want; but I can't wait for a decent truck of reasonable proportions to return to the market. Oops! It's already here: The Tundra.
Sorry Bowke, while I like the Titan (otherwise I wouldn't be hanging out here), I'm not one of those who believes if it's bigger, it's got to be better.
Bob
I used to have an '86 F-150 4x4 regular cab with an 8' bed -- a vehicle, BTW, about the size of the Tundra. My old F-150 had a 6200 GVW and a 2200 pound payload. The comparable "up-sized" '04 F-150 weighs well over a 1000 pound more, and has a lighter payload. Sorry, but I don't call that progress.
Bob
When I look at the CC & Ext Cab GM's that have 8' boxes I just marvel why anybody would want to drive those things; unless it is a 100% work truck and necessary.
If the Titan had come in the same size as the Tundra (your old F150) but had seating for 6 and the backseat was bigger than my CC frontier, I still would have upgraded to it.
i guess its the original titan concept. WILD!!!
Bob
It is everything as advertised! It had the tow package which adds the extra payload capacity.
The utili-trac bedliner is very nice!
Couple of interesting items, the front passenger seat has a sensor which deactivates the airbag if the seat isn't occupied by 40 lbs or more - so the kids can ride up front with Dad.
Salesman also mentioned something about the seatbelts accommodating the kids in the event of an emergency.
One other interesting tidbit the salesman mentioned - when the original design was presented - the VP of Engineering (I think it was) said "Take it back - and give it a throatier growl on the exhaust!"
And they succeeded.
The other area of concern was the motor controls (seats, pedals). They sounded very loud and low tech.
Can anyone comment on these areas?
Pedal control motor, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary except it's a very nice feature for multiple drivers, or long trips.
One thing I forgot to comment some time ago-the A/C-Heater Fan noise is very very quiet.
I had previously read about some complaints about the leather color selections - but I also plan to go cloth - and maybe get some of the nice custom seatcovers if the colors are too awful to bear...
I also was impressed with the speed-sensitive audio controls - where the radio volume increased automatically while accelerating - and decreased as you decelerated to a stop.
Judge for yourself.
Regards,
Dusty
I really wanted the Titan for its reverse sensor and navigation systems. Was told to get these jewels $2200. No big deal, I fell in love with these 2 gadgets. Here's the bad news. The $900 sunroof and $1450 DVD theater system were required packages to have the NAV/REVERSE systems. Ford has the reverse sensors for $245 available. Nissan lost my purchase because I can't tolerate a sunroof and related problems and no need for movie equipment to tempt thieves. What Ford charges $245 for, I'd have to spend $4550 at the Nissan dealer.
To top off the day, the very model that came in to stock here was list priced at...get this....$41,510!!!! When I asked the sales manager what his best price was, you guessed it....$41,510!!!! But for me, he would take off the $510. Now I love my 2004 Ford F150 SCREW FX4!
I'm sorry, but Nissan will have to wait 10 years or more until my Ford has been driven into the dust.
Nissan is more refined and lively all-around. Steering nice weight,precise.Engine/transmission very well matched. Transmission shifts go unnoticed. Titan acceleration,brakes and ergonomics also better. Tundra quieter on acceleration, but Titan has a nice growl. However both the same at speed. imo, Titan is
4x4bully, I ran into the same package bundling situation with side airbags. I will do without.
To get the Utility Bed package - one must upgrade to the SE Popular with Power Captain Chairs.
I like the spray-in innovation but I really have no desire for electric seats and steering wheel-mounted radio controls.
They will not deviate from that, I'm told.
Honda is even more extreme with the LX EX accords and what not, you take what you get and sometimes that's leather, sunroof and what not just to get climate control or whatever.
The big 3 have gone to packages as well, but not quite to the extent of the Japaneese companies. You either live with it or buy something else.
Me, I'm going to go drive one of these in Houston when my Dad gets here for the holidays. He loves driving new cars and my wife hates it.
D
Nissan Pros:
Excellent Value
Plenty of power and torque
Big interior
Several innovative worthwhile firsts as standard
Rock solid body and frame
Excellent ride and handling
Killer sound system, exceptional quality
Top of the class power train, smooth as silk
Nissan Cons:
Ugly
Cheap low quality leather interior
Lack of adequate seat adjustments
Seat contouring is not up to standards
High maintenance “bug catcher” front end
Severe windshield rake, major blind spots at “A” pillar
Interior motor controls sound like a garbage disposal with bones in it
(Seats, pedals, etc)
Each of his "pros" are what I was looking for in a truck!!!! Almost exactly! As to the cons, first and foremost, I don't want leather seats anyways! Ugly? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; but I understand his point. Motor controls - once they are set, I rarely move them anyways! Seat contouring not up to standards - Fair but it did better than the F-150 and the back seat contouring was rated very high. The standard he used was the Chevy - but it sucked in every other catagory. I can live with the seats as I sat in them and they fit my body better than my Fronty seats - which I liked.
Bug catcher front end? I am sure a "bra" will be available if I feel I will need it. Blind spot - that is a concern but not a deal breaker; you get used to it and become aware of it so eventually it isn't a issue.
For the most part, the negatives he mentioned of the Titan can all be easily fixed if Nissan wants to.
If you take his comments as a general feeling - I understand why the Titan is getting mixed reviews. People in general are more interested in looks - both interior and exterior - than they are in the mechanicals. The Titan mechanicals are excellent but the general feeling seems to be the looks - inside and out - need work.
So, hopefully - nissan gets to work and starts putting some Infinity like quality into the Titan.
Still trying to find out if the colors in Canada are the same as the US, do you know? From the pics I have seen the Brawny red looks real nice. Again though I need to see it.
I had my heart set on a Tundra DC but I have to admit that the Titan is currently the frontrunner. Value means a lot when you are paying that much for a truck.
I have seen a CC crew cab LE. I have sat in it and looked at it and I don't find it ugly; in fact I like the looks of it better (it looks tough) than the others - but that is me! I also looked at the Leather and I didn't see a problem with the stitching and the inside didn't look cheap to me. Now, I really haven't looked at it side by side with any other truck so maybe they are that much better, who knows? I have sat in a F150 2004 and was not impressed, but that was before i knew they had 5 different interiors and I didn't check what one I looked at.
I tend to get the feeling that the F150 is getting more acclaim based on two or three things. 1. variety - you can get umpteen different packages/combinations, Long box/regular cab/etc...
2. AT least the higher trim level interior in the F150 is seen as better than the Titan. and maybe 3. people find the outside look of the Titan a little too out there.
It seems to me that Ford has upped the bar on the interior (at least from previous Fords as people still think the GMC interior is better) and variety and this seems to do it for alot of truck fans.
I just don't get it I guess. I prefer utility on the interior (Titan has it; Ford doesn't as much)) than posh surroundings (F150). I look at all the new technology on the Titan (all aluminum engine, 5 speed trans, utili-tracksystem, swing wide doors, spray in bedliner, side curtains, etc.. and I don't see any of this stuff on the F150 (or any other new tech outside the hydroformed frame)- But some of the experts rate the F150 as revolutionary???
The one thing I do know is everybody, Nissan and all the Auto reviewers included, agrees that Canada/USA are NA truck loyal more than any other vehicle. They all said Nissan was going to have a tough time convincing the full sized truck buying consumers (as well as the media people) that there is any other viable truck outside Ford GM and Dodge.
As too the Titan vs tundra DC for yourself - if you need the power at all - the Titan is the only choice. If you don't, I think you have a tough choice because Toyota makes a great product with tons of quality. Good Luck!
2ndly there's the old apples to apples trap. The author starts with explanations of attempts to compare the most similiar trucks and features. Unfortunately discriptions and ratings of seats and interiors for example prove otherwise. For example, the author compares optional leather seats, praising the Chev LT leather seats & degrading Titan seats. However the author fails to point out Nissan seats are basically the same throughout the model line, while the Chevy's varies considerably. Having sat in Chev cloth seats, & seeing all the Chev owner's complaints confirming Chev seats lack support, I bet if the author compared cloth seat models, the author's conclusions would favor Titan instead. The same can be said about Ford's interior vs. Titan's interior. If you've seen the basic interior of the new F150, you know what I mean.
Lastly the author's score system, 5% increments? I don't know if my posterior or back can differentiate 90% from 95%. A scale of 1-5 sure, this seat better than that seat, maybe some areas even a 1-10 scale; but a 1-20 scale? Maybe the author has super human powers...
Houstonperson does have some great observations. I also congratulate the author's attempts and efforts. But it "bugs" me when opinions are are construed as facts!