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While I was there, the LE CC I drove last week went out on 2 more test drives. It now has 1100 miles-a lot of test drives. The next 4 Titans arrive later this week.
I initially was going to move up to the Tundra DC. However, at the autoshow, there was a DC Tundra(not yet at dealers) & Titan CC, right next to eachother. Sitting in both back to back showed some real differences. The new F150 CC was there too, but I wasn't too impressed. Yes there were some gaps in the Titan prototypes there, but it was clear Nissan designed this truck well, but I still had my doubts.
Inspecting & test driving the production last week, I made up my mind! Does it fly? as someone posted last week; no, but it does look & drive great! It makes you wonder why/how Nissan in a couple year's design is able to match or surpass what has taken the big 3 decades.
I'm still a little skeptical about Nissan & my dealer. Considering the recalls, & the problems boards here for the big 3, and the experience of my friends at those dealers; hopefully Nissan is closer to my Toyota experience? However, I've been around long enough to know with any manufacturer/model, there still is some luck of the draw. The Titan does look like it is screwed together well. Every component looks like it was designed for it's location, rather than just bolting and adding components on to the frame, & haphazardly hanging corresponding plumbing or wiring.
Our purchases are hugely individualistic choices just as our choices of investments or relationships. Titan is very price, and performance/specifications competitive with what's already on the market. All the other qualities of how if drives, the fine balance of handling & comfort; the engineering; attention to detail; & innovations like the utility bed pkg convinced me.
I also wonder how it will do as far as re-sale value in the long run. And from looking over the Nissan homepage the MSRP price is rather expensive ($30 - $35 for the 4x4 Models) considering it is trying to break into a tough market. It doesn't look like there will be incentives on these for awhile since they are so new and should sell pretty easily.
a comparable toyota is about $1500 more, and a comparable F150 is about $2500 more.
Toyota V8 4x4 Access cab Auto lists at $35,900 (add all the options, except off road $37,720) - the Titan 4x4 SE (they don't have XE) lists at $39,900.
The same Toyota in the states lists at $27,315 a mark-up of 1.31.
If you look at the List price of of the vehicle I wanted Titan CC SE 4x4 $44,200 Canadian then compare it to the list of the Titan SE CC 4x4 in US greenbacks you get $29,800. That is a whopping 1.483 mark-up!!!
So from initial looks, the Titan isn't such a good value up here in Canada. Again, I will say it, I am VERY disappointed!
I am still reserving my Final judgement unitl Nissan Canada posts the prices on it's website and I can compare exactly. It seems they don't have all the option combos up here that they offer in the states and that mike make a difference - but I am not holding my breath. I am going shopping for another truck this weekend to check out the competiotion more closely.
A last thought, in Canada, vehicles have been very much a bargain compared to the states with markups in the 1.2 to 1.35 range. The exchange rate, until recently, was over 1.5 so we got bargains. Never, did you find 1.48 markups from the states to Canada. Why Nissan has chosen to do this with the Armada, and the Titan is speculation. Maybe they think they can charge more in Canada because we buy more trucks (% wise) than the states and they are going to limit shipments up here.
IMO - The rear seat in the King Cab has about as much room as the extended cab Chevy or GMC, which has more room in the extended rear area than the previous F-150 (again, I haven't seen the new ones yet). Also, the leather, seems to have a stiff feel. Which, if you want leather, would probably last longer. The cloth interior is nice. The interior is rather plain, but I like that about it. I don't think it looks cheap.
The MRSP base prices are:
King Cab Crew Cab
SE 4x4 $27,500 $29,800
LE 4x4 $31,900 $34,200
I really liked the Titan and will most likely seriously look into getting one. I am still wanting to see a black one to decide if that is the color I like. My second choice would be the silver (which I have seen). I also need to decide between the King Cab and the Crew Cab (which is huge inside!).
Does anyone know what the invoice prices are on these yet?
Does anyone know what the invoice prices are on these yet?
That really limits them in Canada. Everybody I know who has a truck, opted for the split bench front seat for the simple fact you can carry 6 people. That is why I want it. Now I have to make a decision, go to the XE with no options (yuck!) or sacrifice the 6 passengers for 5 (I might as well of stuck to my Fronty!) or look at the competition.
Know clue what I am going to do!
Having said that, I just picked up the new Titan brochure, and like all the other Nissan brochures, a razzle-dazzle affair, designed to titillate...
Question: After going through this brochure, nowhere did I find the GVW ratings listed. Every other full-size truck brochure lists the GVW. Very strange...
Bob
I'm not interested in 4x4, but I'm curious, how was the power? I hear 4x4 same height as 4x2??
Let us know what you figure out with 4x4, KC, XE and all that.
the GVWR listed there is 6,486. Hope this helps.!
Bob
http://www.nissanoffroad.com/Titan/
The GVWR is neer the bottom of the page under the "weights" heading
Maybe I'm blind or something, but it's not on the site I'm looking at. I see curb weight, payload, towing, virtually every other imaginable specification, but I don't see any GVW rating.
Bob
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4x2 4,815 4,857 5,066
4x4 5,046 5,088 5,297
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4x2 (city/hwy) 14/19 14/19 14/19
4x4 (city/hwy) 14/18 14/18 14/18
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Interior passenger volume (cu. ft.) 126 126 126
Fuel tank (gals.) 28.0 28.0 28.0
Maximum towing capacity (lbs.)
Standard 6,500 7,400 7,200
With Big Tow Package N/A 9,500 9,200
Maximum payload (lbs.)
4x2 1,585 1,585 1,585
4x2 1,453 1,453 1,453
Off-road Capabilities - 4x4
Minimum ground clearance at rear axle (inches) 10.3
Minimum ground clearance (inches) 11.5
Minimum ground clearance with Off-road Package
(inches) 11.3
Angle of approach (degrees) 32
Angle of approach with Off-road Package (degrees) 30
Angle of departure (degrees) 28
Ramp over angle (degrees) 24
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Exterior
Wheelbase 139.8
Overall length 224.2
Overall width w/o mirrors 78.8
Overall height (4x2/4x4) 75.1/76.7
Track width (front/rear) 67.5/67.5
Cargo bed
Length 67.1
Depth 19.9
Width 63.8
Interior
Head room (front/rear) without sunroof 41.0/40.4
Head room (front/rear) with sunroof 39.7/40.4
Leg room (front/rear) 41.8/40.4
Hip room (front/rear) 61.3/60.5
Shoulder room (front/rear) 65.1/64.6
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Weights King Cab Crew Cab
4x2 4x4 4x2 4x4
Curb (pounds) - Total
4,966 5,287 5,019 5,341
Weight distribution (%)
Front/Rear
55/45 56/44 55/45 55/45
GVWR (pounds)6,486
Are you sure you are following my instructions from above exactly? Can somebody else try it?
Very strange that you get those figures, and I don't?!?! That makes no sense.
I see you're from Canada. Are you referring to the Canadian Nissan site or the USA Nissan site?
Bob
This looks like a great vehicle, but the one thing that has me worried is it might only have a 1-star roll-over rating. Really, for safety sake, one should not take a vehicle with less than a three star rating. But since I'm aethist and only live once, I prefer at least a 4-star roll-voer rating. I guess if your a believer, roll-over rating does not matter.
And yes the 4x4 has plenty of power. It is nice.
However, I took my wife with me on this test drive and we discovered that even the the specs show the rear seat in the King Cab as being as much leg room as the Chevy Extended cabs, it doesn't seem that way in person. I got the driver seat at a comfortable driving position and my wife got in the back seat and her knees were toucing the back of my seat. She is only 5'-7" tall and I am 5'-11". When we have done the same thing in an extended cab Z71, her knees don't touch but there is only about an inch or two clearance.
Has anyone out there actually bought one of these yet? If so, were you able to get anything below MSRP? Also, a tacky, but widely used by most all manufacturers is the additional cost of the floor mats. Come on for crying out loud!! A $30K vehicle and you have to pay an extra $100 for floor mats!!!??
And, aaaedgarpoe, God Loves You anyway and I will say a prayer for you!
Bowke... Appreciate your participation here sir. I have one of the gargantuan Titan brochures and while it's size is most impressive, it does feel a bit short on information. I built a Titan on the Nissan web site yesterday. Two questions for you, are the 285 tires mentioned in the brochure going to be a late availability item? I ask because the Off Road Package on the site did not mention the tire upgrade. Next, the electronic differential is listed as late availability. Has Nissan given you folks a better idea of when this will be?
Lastly, for the record, I own a 2001 F150 SuperCrew 4x4 Lariat which I purchased new. The truck has been great but I need to buy a new truck every 3 or 4 years. I was solid on the new Dodge Ram until the Titan, now my decision will be one or the other.
Regards,
Zach
Good luck!
Bob
texaszach...
i dont know the availability of the 285 tires....i would assume that its with the 17" wheels on the off-road. electronic differential SHOULD be available immediately...but im not entirely sure.
Nissan is making so much noise about how big and tough the Titan is, yet is just middle-of-the-road in terms of payloads. If only it had class-leading payloads to match it's (near) class-leading towing.
Bob
Maybe in Japan, but not here in fast-food-fed (and with apologies to Dodge) Truckville, USA!
I'd much rather have seen a standard payload approaching 2000 pounds.
Bob
if you break it down, the average man is ~205, the average woman is ~145, and the average child, using all ages up to 16, is ~100. that averages out to be ~155 lbs. for 3 people. maybe YOU would have to lighten the cargo for YOUR family, but its not for EVERY family.
i weigh around 165 lbs, my ex wife weighs about 110, and my son is 7 years old at around 50 lbs. guess what? i get to add more stuff!!!
Bob <~215 pounds>
Besides, to get more payload, you have to add weight (thicker rails etc.) and usually stronger springs, which means harsher ride when empty. I think Nissan will probably do this in the future, but to start they are focusing on the largest part of the pick-up market that they have a shot at. Mainly those people who use a truck as a multi purpose vehicle, family & work.
To go at all aspects of the pick-up market is too expensive an investment to start off. Ford, GM, Dodge have been making 1/2 ton and bigger trucks for years and they have multiple factories to do this.
It is the same thing we discussed before about 8' boxes, and extended cabs. Nissan can't be everything to everybody right off the bat. They might not want to be everything to everybody ever as this costs a lot of money.
That said, I saw a lady a lunch driving an extended GMC 4x4 w/8'box trying to park that sucker! Pretty funny. Who would want to drive something that long unless you absolutey had to! (this isn't a shot at a lady - it would be just as hard for a man).
Most so-called "1/2 ton" pickups carry 1500 - 1900 pounds (certain new F-150s can carry 3000 pounds!). Most so-called "3/4 ton" pickups carry 2500 -4000 pounds. Most so-called "1 ton" pickup carry 4500 - 5500 pounds. So much for traditional terminology...
Bob
The techs were mounting the optional divider,tool box,& extender on the Silver CC LE I drove LAST week. Very slick how they move effortlessly on the rails. Apparently the bed divider can flip up and be a headache rack!!
I found out today -AIRBAGS are available on XE,SE,LE independent of any other options...
Personal taste, but I like the SE 5 spoke wheels better than LE 6 spokes.
Here in Austin they're not budging off msrp at any dealer, and most of the Titans are already deposits off shipping sheets!
When I worked in new car prep at a dealer years ago, we went over the whole car, detailed it & scoped the engine,checked fluids,batt...etc. There were 3 of us, as we were the nation's largest VW dealership.
Today, they rolled the Titans off the truck, pulled off the plastics, washed them up, & pulled them around front for immediate delivery, literally.
Am I missing something here?
Also, I did see a charge for "dealer prep" on a seperate sheet of paper stuck to the windown at one of the dealerships here for $295. Although, at another dealership nothing like that. That will be something that I will not pay for, because when I buy a new car (especially at MSRP) I expect it to be "clean" and "preped" since after all it is brand new, right?!
I decided to lease so that if Nissan comes to their senses in Canada and offers the 40/20/40 in the SE model, i will upgrade.
My local dealer had an order in that was to be Manufactured in January. They are only allowed 1 per month so I jumped at it. It is red outside and sand inside (that is what I wanted). The deal I struck was only for $1000 off MSRP; not great, but they figure with only 12 a year, that is the best they can do. They just sold their only too Armadas at MSRP.
I figure I would have to wait at least 6 months if I was going to drive a better bargain. It is still cheaper than the best discounted F150 I could find so I am happy.
Put a $1000 deposit so they have to honour the price.!
If you look at your price list, you can check off every thing that is available (except for the two option packages above) for the 4x4 CC SE and it comes standard in this package in Canada.
I am pretty sure they weren't just trying to get a commitment because they were able to fax over a change in colour for the truck they had scheduled for a January build. They could changed the seat too if they were allowed. Also, they weren't worried about selling this one as they are only allocated 1 per month and this is a truck town. There are more F150 GMCs and Dodge trucks on the road than any other type of vehicle.
I was also willing to wait a month or two longer and they knew this. But you never know, you could be right. If it does become an option up here, (which I assume it will eventually, I will trade in close to lease end or at lease end - assuming the truck lives up to its hype.
i just dont see why they would make the SE without the optional rockford fosgate system
As to the nissancanada.com website, they still have it listed as coming and they have no prices/option packages.
The real interesting thing is in Canada, the CC only comes in 4x4. The KC XE only comes in 4x2 and the KC LE only comes in 4x4. Weird, huh?