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>> they'll call you. Tis a bit irritating, but other
>> dealers hate them so maybe they are doing something
>> right.
> I've never done business with them or know anyone
> up there, so usual disclaimers
I bought my '05 Liberty Sport CRD at Dave Smith Motors. They are a HUGE Dodge dealer, but their Jeep inventory isn't as big. Don't get me wrong, there are probably over a hundred Jeeps on the lots at any time (most of the town is made up of Dave Smith lots), but they have many more Dodges in stock than Jeeps. They also sell GM products. There were probably ten Sport CRDs in their stock when I bought mine in May '05.
Great place to shop, though. Very fast, no BS. When I bought my '02 GMC Sierra there, I was in and out with a new vehicle in about 45 minutes, including trade-in and financing. The Liberty took a little longer, but not much. Amazing, compared to what purchases are like at other dealers.
As you mentioned, they don't have a searchable inventory on-line any more (they did in 2002). It's annoying, and I wish they'd go back to the old system.
My disclaimers: I don't work for them and they don't pay me to say good things about them. Just a happy customer - even if the CRD is turning out to be an orphan.
Thanks for the chuckle. I just made that chase car statement to my better half this afternoon when she mentioned out of town. Then I showed her how we couldn't get out of our shadow with the tranny now - and have to wait until it blows to get help from dcx when the parts are available. It feels like the 50's and 60's slushmatic - rpm's but you almost get rear-ended.
Showed the better half the fully loaded silverado with tow package and yes even though we know tow means 3.73 and 4.10 the maroney said 3.23 locking rear dif. She loved it just looking at it. Mileage is continuing to drop as the tranny continues not to be a tranny.
Enlightened a more local dealer's shop foreman, parts manager, and service writer-a sympathetic female. Car rental company on site.
Good luck.....
Because you are still reading, and other reasons. Please don't buy until after the middle of August. Don't put so much faith in JD.
Take your reasoning to ad absurdum, think outside the box etc. My request to you to test a new chevy was for us and you. We can't make a silverado fit in our garage and are reworking our options. My better half loves the idea of on star. We have made many non-stop 1300 mile trips. It seems nowadays our interdependent society leaves a lot to be desired and we find we have to do things ourselves.
A few years ago my father-in-law sold his 30 year old chevy truck. Stupid me thought it had no value. Guys lined up to buy it and a guy from Colorado, first in line got it. The sad look on the faces of the also rans will never leave me.
If you truly need reliabilty and believe the chevy truck is that bad, why not buy an old body on frame, an old iron block, new carburetor etc you get the message. If no new car line is reliable like everyone says then depend on yourself.
Last year I talked about mechantibilty - I was hoping those of us who wanted out would have a champion to let dcx bite the bullet and not us. Nobody took my bait and I am not an attorney or connected.
I'll let ya'll know what they found that would have killed it when we get it back.
But I have temporarily lost faith in my 37 years of new car buying expierience......so who knows?
One of the reasons I bought a CRD was diesel dependability (Ha!). I have never owned a vehicle with the potential to quit so many ways - fuel system, fuel, electronics, over heating, transmission,... If you are not a pretty good shade-tree mechanic and you are thinking about buying a CRD, run away!!
I really like the vehicle, it has exceeded my expectations in every way and I am going to stick with it, mainly because I can do every thing it's going to need in my reasonably equipped garage, except for the computer flash BS. That does not mean that I want to work on it. I guess I'm going to have to buy a tow bar or tow dolly, someday.:shades:
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18-018-05 e.c.m.
Mine's working fine so far so I don't want to fix it if it's not broken.Just feels like I'm sittin on a time bomb.Problem is I like this vehicle,good luck,ecrd...
The TSB(s) that Arvman mentioned was for "T-conv improvement and durability." My transmission has not failed, yet. I don't know if the TSB will save it or not, but it acts considerably better. The problem is that my tranny did some clunking and grabbing before the TSB was applied. My guess is that the TSB has delayed the inevitable.
I am reading all these and wondering at what point we need to organize a petition to DCX to either fix our CRDs or buy them back at a fair price. This would not be totally unprecedented.
Perhaps DCX will consider giving us fair market value plus a $5000 bonus. The only DCX products that I like are the Dakota (V8 w/manual tranny) and the Caliber. No Hemi powered vehicles do it for me. A HEMI is not a HEMI unless it is a 426 cu in with 2-4bbl carbs. :shades:
Tell that to the SRT-8 owners with their puny 6.1 Liter (372 in3) hemis!
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I have also had the privilege to be a passenger in a late 60's Super Bee with a hemi. Zero to sixty was frighteningly fast. Sixty to 120 was even faster and more frightening. I have yet to to try a new SRT-8, but I do not think it can duplicate the hemi of old when it comes to that feat.
For those of you with problems that just will not seem to quit, I feel for all of you. I have been there and done that at least once or twice in my life. It is very unsettling at best. In some cases you truly have a lemon, in other cases, incompetent techs.
For those of us with reasonably reliable equipment, I guess we are lucky or our turn is yet to come.
But on the other hand, some of the other major brands are not faring so well either. Toyota has had to recall in excess of one million vehicles for various problems including some that are downright dangerous, like steering that falls apart or sticking gas pedals, or serious software problems that cause a car to totally stop functioning (Prius HSD models). Toyota had a sludging problem with some of their engines in the late 90's to the early 2000's that they refused to acknowledge. A CCV redesign fixed the issue. VW had a similar problem. Honda has had problems with transfer cases that disintegrate in their Pilot.
What I have just written are just a few examples and I am sure I could fill many posts with dozens more. My point is that there are several solutions to these problems.
1. Get them fixed by finding a competent dealer.
2. If your state has a Lemon Law, use it.
3. Find good non-DC mechanic who can fix these issues, and see if DC will refund you all or some of the repair.
4. Realize that no one makes a perfect vehicle and that you will have failures. It just seems worse when it is your own. Your faith in the vehicle and the company gets slammed when you experience repetitive failures of the same type and you have no real resolution.
5. Just get rid of the bloody thing and hope what you replace it with is better.
Realize as emissions controls grow tighter for all vehicles, their complexity will increase and so will the number of failures.
There are many others who have had little or no problems with the car. In my personal case I have just under 30k miles on a '05 sport. It has been in the shop exactly ONCE for repair other than normal maint: EGR (not a surprise). I regularly get the mpg listed by EPA and have made no mods other than to get rid of the lousy OEM tires. It has started in all weather (-12F being the coldest) and blows cold A/C on the hottest days. I use it for a daily driver and for recreation. I don't rock climb, but do take it on dirt trails. In short, it has at least met minimum expectations, if not passed them in many categories. Sure, I worry about the noted problems, but I don't lose sleep over it. It is just a car, for Gods sake. As Bart would say: "don't have a cow, man!".
There was a poll on another jeep site which asked if you would buy the crd again. I don't remember the exact figures but only about 5-8% said they would not. It probably isn't statistically valid, but it does give at least a snapshot of owner feelings. That being the case, a 90%+ rebuy seems to be an impressive number to me.
My first car was a Fury III with a 440 with the six pack and 727 trans. It had the Dana rear. Couldn't make it past a gas station to save my life. It was a beast!! But I love my CRD. I now have 30,000 miles plus and it runs great. No complaints here. Wish fuel was still below 75 cents a gallon when I had the 1970 Fury but when we are kids we don't take care of cars. We just run them and enjoy them. Torque is KING!! Horse power was for the little engines that didn't have the torque. I love my CRD!
Really! A lot of muscle car owners had their attitudes adjusted - much to their dismay.
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A polyspherical discussion; who would have guessed. I miss Dusty hanging out in SUVs; we need to pry him loose from Pickups.
Last week JD Power predicted that the current ~3.2 market share for diesel cars and trucks will go to 10% by 2015. (link) That seems a bit low and a bit of a long time to get there. Dropping the Liberty CRD for a year doesn't help any I suppose.
Yes, but I'm sure they are flushed with pride!
tidester, host
So would you rather be cruising in a Corvette or doing some serious offroading in your Liberty CRD?
tidester, host
readers for our CRD that reads all the codes and writes things
like tire size changes? I talked with Mr Jay Horak with Autoenginuity and he said they could write code if they had a
vehicle to read. Are any members in the Mesa Arizona region willing to explore this?
I have added mud guards, a skid plate under the transmission, Bridgestone Alenza's 235x16, rear air deflector, and a Garmin GPS.
I have followed the maintenance called for in the owners manual, the oil called for in the manual, the work is done by my local Jeep dealer, and by the way, the service manager of the dealership drives a CRD.
I have not tinkered with it, added anything to the oil or fuel, cleaned out any hoses etc.
I have had zero problems other than occasional noisy rear brakes in the morning.
Interestingly enough I have recently talked to two other CRD owners other than the service manager (the only ones I have talked to) that had the same good experience with their 05 CRD's.
I feel bad for the people that have experienced problems and hope they get corrected.
I would also be careful in assuming all CRD's have problems---they don't.
[common rail version 3]
CR3: P56041FE5AA
CR3FLASH: 56041610AD
SEQUENCE: 497740
If someone can get hold of this software, well
Take a ball, slice it in half. Take one of the halves and scoop it out. That is the shape of the combustion chamber as it lives in the head. The spark plug is located centrally and the valves are on either side of it.
In the days of old, let us say from the mid-fifties to present, there were many. Their displacements were, in cubic inches, 303, 331, 354, 392, and 426. The 392 was one of the stoutest engines ever built and was nearly impossible to destroy.
DC still makes hemis like the old ones but they are only available through Direct Connection, DC performance parts division. None of them are cheap. They range in size from the 426 to 572 cubic inches in displacement. The 426 comes in several flavors from ones that will run on pump gas to others that are designed to run on exotic fuels. The 572 is usually reserved for dragsters and when properly setup is good for more than 2500 HP and about 3000 lb-ft or more of torque.
The new hemi engines have semi hemi heads. They have some or most of the characteristics of the old hemis but it would take forever to explain. The new heads are easier and cheaper to make. The old, original hemi was more expensive and harder to build because you had to splay the valves to accomodate the shape of the combustion chamber.
I agree with your comments. When it is your car and the repairs are not being done properly, or at all and you are being given the run around, it really inflames the situation you are experiencing.
I just broke 11K miles and have been generally pleased with my CRD. It does what it is suppose to do and on the highway exceeds EPA values.
I have been using S15 diesel for the past several tanks and the little guy runs better than ever. Yesterday I sniffed the exhaust fumes. I do this from time to time to make sure I do not have a blown head gasket or I am burning any oil. Since my CRD has been on S15, the exhaust is nearly odorless. It has less odor than the exhaust from my wife's 1998 Chrysler Concorde.
There is no biodiesel in it.
Joe
The Technician at the Dealership had a brilliant reason for the drop in fuel economy. I had my GoodYear SR-A highway tread tire changed at 100 miles to General All Terrain. The Tires are the specified size. I asked " so, I have lost 6 miles per gallon because of a different tread design??? He said "Yes", Hmmmm well,I did initially get 26 MPG even with these evil tires. He got quiet and walked away.
There was an update for my Jeep that was performed to update the Torque converter lock up points.
As to the tires, the more aggressive the tread design the more friction you end up with. If they are the same size as stock, you might lose some FE but very little.
How many miles do you have on it at this point?
So far the CRD is going good. The first tank through netted me 20mpg even- hand calculated.The computer showed as high as 26.8 avg. This is kind of country- city driving, go a few miles at 55 -stop and go again type of thing. Much better than what the Hemi delivered.
Dealer called tonight on a recall for the battery- drain issue. Said thats all he has on it. I'm wondering if the trans parts have been updated on these last ones built- anybody have any idea? My build date is Feb - 06. It goes in Wed to get re-booted for the Battery. Is there anything else I should check on while they have it plugged in?
I agree with you about the tires, At worst I figured I could loose 1/2 to 1/4 MPG. They are the exact size as stock.
I have right at 5000 miles now.
Thank You!