Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    farout, today "Jeep" is a concept reflecting what a group of engineers can imagine and the components they purchase from the world (global) market.
    Only assembly is done under their control.
    I cannot complain about quality or choice of components because all 'general use' improvements I've read about in EU forums are already on this truck. It's not a MB but stands way ahead of what used to be built 10 years ago.
    Have you not noticed the red 'Brembo' logo on a disk brake picture of a recent advertisement? It's 'Bosch' on mine and could have been 'Bendix' a few years back.
  • unclebubbaunclebubba Member Posts: 80
    Hi Arvman!
    Sorry to be so long replying to your question about "STAR". STAR is the acronym for the technical/service arm of Daimler-Chrysler and they are the ones who tell the techs what to do, how to do it and what to do it with on warranty issues & TSB's. It's simply an additional stumbling block to rapid resoulution of our problems!!
  • jc7349jc7349 Member Posts: 17
    Is there a TSB on this Cooler,pump issue? Mine is in the shop now for Trans Temp light.

    Thanks,Jeff
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    The tech @ my dealer told me about 1 guy that had to walk a bit after losing the oil filter on a rutted road.
    It really needs to be relocated.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    05crdjeep.....Please not again! these guys talk about shifting before for more that a month. Please don't let them start all over again............Thanks
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Not a problem - we'll just move the recent thread and people interested can pick it up there.

    Here's the link:

    Jeep Liberty Diesel Shift Patterns
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Guys I own a Jeep crd and also a Dodge Sprinter.
    The Sprinter have a 2.7 5 cylinder engine and is made in 05 just like my CRD. The ? is: Why when I drive both of the vehicle the same way when I pass or accelerate, the Jeep have a cloud of smoke (not black) and why I do the samething to the Sprinter there is no smoke. I buy the same dump diesel at the same station and use the same amount of additive for the lubrication and both have -EGR VALVE- which is the pain of the diesel engine. I welcome yours comments.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    I see Sprinters quite often and drivers seem to be flooring them all the time with absolutely no visible smoke. I read that the Sprinter has a "smaller*" turbo that spools up so quick that there is almost no turbo lag. Is that your experience?

    I would like to say that the Sprinter engine fuel system is much better calibrated than the CRD. However, the VW TDI smokes on takeoff just like the CRD - smaller engine, less smoke. I find it hard to believe that the TDI is badly calibrated too, but maybe so. Some of it might be calibration.

    Black smoke in the CRD diesel is the result of a temporarily rich mixture. There is really no such thing as rich or lean in a diesel like in a gas (mixture ranges from 40:1 to 18:1, roughly). Older diesels would smoke if the injectors were rich but that was relative to the timing of the injection.

    Since the CRD and the TDI have "larger" turbos, a temporarily rich mixture is created to spool up the turbos faster than with a less rich mixture and eventually provide more acceleration relative to a "smaller" turbo.

    I think the answer to why the Sprinter doesn't smoke is mostly because of the "smaller" turbo and partly better calibration, maybe. Also the 5 cylinder engine in the Sprinter should be a little more efficient than the 4 cyl in the CRD.

    If someone knows more I'm sure you will hear it

    * smaller and larger refer to turbo design and function more that physical size.
  • playgabeplaygabe Member Posts: 31
    Just returned from a trip to Yellowstone pulling a 3000# camping trailer. The Liberty preformed great except for the overheating.
    Took it to the dealer and found out for the second time the fan clutch is not working. Part is on order. I thought thru this form that they had fixed this problem. The pulling power over the divide 5 times was great except I had to stop 3 to 4 times on every grade to let the engine cool. They better have it fixed this time.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Siberia..... The Sprinter has no lag at all. The tranny shift different than the CRD, The first to second is long and so are the others, has power but because is a cargo van you don't notes it. Over all with the wait and the vehicle size in comparison the mileage is better that the CRD.
  • thecipthecip Member Posts: 18
    The other main issue with the skid plate is that is acts as a shovel. I take my CRD into an old gravel pit on my mother-in-laws property and when I come out I have pounds of dirt and rocks on the inside of the plate.

    Not a huge deal but basically if I do not go under there after every excursion those pebbles rattle around banging into everything and I am dropping crap for miles. I guess it would not be a major rig to cover up the opening with a cutout of the same material fastening with screws so it can be easily removed.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    zachinmi: You bring up an interesting question, why some report such unbelievable fule mileage , say 30 mpg+ and others seem to be lucky to get above 22 mpg+. I wonder how many of those reporting either real super good or real poor fuel mileage are depending on the electronic readout on the indicator above. I use to have one on my 05 Limited, and it was always off by 2 to 4 mpg sometimes over and other times under. Now every time I have to use to "old fashion method" and I am a lot more sure it's accurate. I have never been above 800 feet or below 550 feet. So I have no idea what altitude would do with mpg.
    One thing I know for sure the CRD will run at a much higher altitude than I can. About 7,500 feet I can't breathe.

    Farout
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    I've been tracking mileage since purchase - 40 tanks worth - and I get quite close to the EPA ratings, on average. Any one tank can be off. My best tank to date is 30.5 and worst is a little over 18, but most tanks are between 22 and 25. I may post all the details in the CRD MPG forum. As for computers, I had one in my Civic Hybrid, which was always 1-3mpg optimistic, and there is one in my Ram, which is always off vs. dividing miles by gallons put in, but can be either high or low. With a gasoline engine I wonder if some of the computer error vs. manual calculation is a result of fuel evaporating from the tank. I don't think diesel evaporates to any significant extent.

    I can say that with the turbo the CRD works great as high as 12,000 feet, which I have had it up to a few times in the Colorado rockies. Turbo lag is much greater at altitude, but after the lag time acceleration is quite strong. It pulls up any highway grade with no problem.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: Bendix was made in Kansas City, Missouri for many years. The physical plant is still there but the IRS took it over and now our US taxes go there for the midwestern States, and checks the forms and audits some of us lucky tax payers. I know my power assist brakes have BOSH printed on it. I am not sure where it's made.
    I have noticed more and more books are being printed in Korea and China all the time. I once worked or a long established Christian Publisher. All there printing and assembly was dome here in the USA. Not now, Korea, China,and the truth is the quality is just as good but cost savings are not passed on to the consumer. Our son in law is in the Nursing field and text books made in China were more than $100. for a 200 page book.
    Caribou1 have you found a fuel/water filter other than Mopar for your CRD? All I have been able to find is numbers for filters that can not be ordered.

    Farout
  • synlubessynlubes Member Posts: 184
    fuel filter numbers available from wix and ansoil numbers but cant order wonder why
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    We are considering getting a Mallard 180CK travel trailer. It is 22' 2" long and weight is 3,707 lbs dry. The trailer is has two axles. There is just two of us. Is this to long to consider and what about the weight?
    Our Sport CRD has the tow package.
    If anyone has a better suggestion we would appreciate hearing from you.

    Farout
  • thecipthecip Member Posts: 18
    Farout: Found this on an official jeep site about towing:

    While it's not listed in the charts, tongue weight [i] is also an important consideration. The recommended tongue weight is between 10 & 15% of the trailer weight. However, the maximum tongue weight on Class III (The bumper ball) is limited to 500 lbs, and Class IV (The receiver hitch) to 1200 lbs.
    This requirement overrides any recommended GTW rating, between 10% and 15% of gross trailer weight (GTW). Additionally, the GAWRs and GVWRs should never be exceeded.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Farout...Is there any reason why you want another brand. You can buy the filter any where at about $27.00 do you think that you can get it any lower that that. Please let mi know...
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Farout, we are looking at travel trailers also and have zeroed in on the same size trailer that you are considering. Manual says up to 5k lbs, 750 lb tongue wt, 25 ft long and 64 sq ft frontal area so you are well within specs even loaded if the frontal area is okay.

    My towing experience is not extensive with the CRD. Boat and trailer weighs 5k+ lbs, 500 lb tongue wt, 26 ft long and streamlined. Recent tow of 20 miles (OZ), computer showed 20.5 mpg. On the longer steep hills needed to be out of overdrive and on the floor to maintain 50 mph. May have been able to maintain better speed but traffic slowed us down to where I was depending on torque rather than horsepower. Also the trailer has surge brakes and the CRD controls the weight quit well.

    Travel trailer length confuses me a little. A 25 ft TT might be 27-28 ft long from ball to bumper. How much will the side surface area produce sway in a moderate side wind? When I asked the TT dealers if I could make a purchase based on a towing test they said okay as long as I had proper hitch and electric brake controller installed. Not ready to purchase, yet, but figured to do the test on a moderately windy day to tow cross-wind and into the wind before doing the deal.

    Your will probably be getting a TT first and can let us know how it works out.
  • trailreadytrailready Member Posts: 8
    Got our Liberty CRD back in three days that had "died" in traffic and had to be towed to dealer. They said they "found a code P0091 that was for a fuel quantity solenoid short to ground.Cleared the code and it came back. The resistance to both solenoid circuits was at .4 ohms. Disconnected the unit and the computer did pick the non existing unit. A new solenoid was installed, part no. CR5159962AA and the codes were cleared."

    Obviously this solenoid failure will stop you dead your tracks with no fuel delivery. Anyone know exactly what it does and where they are? Symptoms before the failure were similar to the shudder and power loss others have experianced. They did not give a price for the part, but I know I'm going to want one in the glove box if it will fit. ;)
  • playgabeplaygabe Member Posts: 31
    We have a sport CRD with Air bags installed,all terrain tires, along with brake controller. We tow a Chalet XL camping trailer dry weight approx 2K lbs. Fully loaded around 3K lbs. Length from tongue to bumper about 21 feet. Have towed to AZ, Wyoming at a max speed of 65. Only problem has been on freeway when large trucks passing which creates wind and causes sway. Liberty has plenty of power.
    Our mileage towing is 19. Wind resistance will be your biggest concern.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    nescosmo: I think just because the label says MOPAR we are not always getting the best. Generally I have thought Wix was a step above OE. It's not the price of the Fuel/water filter, because we only change it every 25,000 or so miles. I just want the better filter. I doubt WalMart is the place to get a really good filter, I do not think Fram or Motorcraft is any better than OE. I am just at 17,700 miles and but I am looking before it's time. The OE filter is $37. and for the job it does this is no place to go with a cheap made filter. How many miles do you have now?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    siberia: You are just about where we are in the process of making a choice. We are not going to buy unless we are able to take a test run. My concern is when you get above 23 feet long the weight of the trailer is too close to the 5,000 lb total trailer weight allowed. Then you have very little room for personal items. So we have been looking at trailers that have a un- loaded weight of 3,000 to 3,900 lbs.
    If you fill the water tank and add the cords, hoses, and jacks, and extras like air cond, awning, outside chairs, bbq, and the rest of food, clothes, TV, and what nots, before you know it you are at 5,000 lbs or more. I once thought 5,000 lbs was real good, but now I see it's just barely does the job for a couple, say nothing of a 5 person family.
    If you find one you feel is really great let us know, and we will do the same for you. maybe someone else will steer us a better direction. Thanks for your post!

    Farout
  • crackchasercrackchaser Member Posts: 4
    Apologize if this question has been posted before. I purchased a CRD 4th of July weekend (August 05 build). I have been very pleased with the car to date. I really like the feel and driveability of the car (however getting used to the crabbing when hitting a bump is a bit different, but presumably a characteristic of the suspension). So far I have about 2200 miles, and MPG has been rock solid 22 driving primarily interstate at 78 MPH. Tried driving 70 (it was an effort) but MPG only increased to 24 MPG. In all cases AC is running (welcome to South Texas).

    Shortly after purchasing the car, I was told that the car was subject to recall F21 (Reprogramming the BCM) and I verified on the jeep website that this was indeed true. When I took it in for service, I was told that there were two additional RRT's (RRT 06-009 for a steering angle sensor and RRT 06-002 Flash TCM/ECM Torque Conv OP). However, after leaving the car for two days, they were only to perform the recall and the RRT concerning the torque converter. To date, the steering angle sensor RRT has not been performed.

    My questions to you guru's are the following:

    1) Has anyone noticed the subtle crabbing (rotation about a vertical centerline through the CG of the car) when you hit a bump?

    2) My (possibly flawed) understanding is that RRT's are performed only if the car is experiencing problems related to the RRT's. My dealer says that RRT's are pre-recalls and must be performed. What's the deal with this?

    3) Where can we get more detail on what was done during the RRT and why it was done? I can't seem to find much information that is available to the public.

    4) Anyone know how critical the steering angle sensor RRT is?

    5) The service department at my purchase dealer are a bunch of dunces (I was also the "first" Liberty diesel that they had worked on...a clearly unenviable position). I'm considering changing to another dealer for any future work. Is this a major faux pas? Will the new dealer not be particularly responsive?

    Thanks for your time!
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    I can only reply to #1 - whenever I hit a big bump, such as a speedbump or large pothole, the Jeep's rear end takes a sidestep. Not huge, but enough that I notice it. I think this is due to the live axle rear and the way it is located with the 5-link system, and as far as I know it is not a problem but simply a feature of this type of vehicle.
  • zoomy2zoomy2 Member Posts: 50
    I have a 18'8" foot camper that weights 3036# empty and 4483# loaded, water, food, propane...etc. The length is measured from the ball to the rear bumper, on any camper I have looked at over the last several years, your's could be different.
    The unit is 9'6" to the top of the A/C unit and has 54 sq ft frontage. I have a friction sway control, a dead weight hitch (250# tounge) and the Goodyear ST tires. Junk the Goodyears and get something with a stiffer sidewall most all of my sway comes from the tires, it feels like floating on water. The CRD will pull the trailer but the longer hills it will slow down to 45 - 50 and the temp will go up if you keep your foot into it. I just slow down and keep the engine running 2500-2600 rpm to pull hills, it doesn't seem to heat up like this.
    Just watch how much weight you place in the trailer and keep it under the CGVW. Remember the 5000# towing capacity is including weight in the vehicle like people other than the 150# driver, fine print in towing specifications. I have been thinking about changing the drive gears out and having 4.10:1 gears installed as it should downshift when going over an overpass, and should pull hills better.
    When we got our trailer we looked at ones that were under 3000# when empty, but the added options and is went up to just over our target weight.
    We use our trailer mostly in Ohio which is flat compared to other areas, but southeast Ohio has a few hills and I never had a problem getting over any of them, it not a big block V-8 or even a small block V-8, but it does well, just needs more horsepower. :surprise:
  • thecipthecip Member Posts: 18
    Has anyone purchased a rear air deflector and noticed any improvement in mileage due to less rear end drag?
  • zoomy2zoomy2 Member Posts: 50
    farout,

    Look at this link, sleeps (5) and is http://www.zoom-rv.com/

    this just cam out in June this year and is a 2007 model. This is what I have.

    zoomy2 :shades:
  • smokinclattersmokinclatter Member Posts: 40
    5) The service department at my purchase dealer are a bunch of dunces (I was also the "first" Liberty diesel that they had worked on...a clearly unenviable position). I'm considering changing to another dealer for any future work. Is this a major faux pas? Will the new dealer not be particularly responsive?

    crackchaser: my experience is you will find diferent faces...same brains.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    The length is measured from the ball to the rear bumper, on any camper I have looked at over the last several years, your's could be different.

    Well, you would think, wouldn't ya, Zoomy2? The measurement you refer to is the overall length. Most of the TTs that I have looked at have a model number that refers to the length of the cabin, sort of (some are a little optimistic with their measurements). And, that is different from the overall length.

    Anyway, that is not what confuses me most. What is DC most worried about when specifying a 25 ft maximum trailer length? Side surface area, that gets blasted by wind, or overall length. Example, some trailers have a bumper that is close to the cabin and some have a bumper that sticks out another 8 or 10 inches. I doubt the extra 8 or 10 inches sticking out would affect towing much, yet it implies a longer trailer than it really is, sort of. My last round of looking will include a long tape measure for sure.
  • steve05steve05 Member Posts: 52
    The problem here is the tail wagging the dog. Our libby is quite short.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Farout.... I only have 5200 miles but when I bought the CRD I purchase a fuel filter; I bought it at makeitmopar.com and I paid $27.oo is the same that we have in the CRD, they have others things that you could consider.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    farout,
    My fuel/water filter cartridge (and probably yours as well) is manufactured by Parker-Racor under the reference "R20S". I purchased two of them for practically the cost of one Mopar filter here. I paid the equivalent of 28 USD each including tax and delivery.
    When comparing the two filters you see the manufacturing is identical, so are the instructions and recommendations of use. Mopar is grey, Parker-Racor is beige. Both use the same font size and style as well :blush:
    If you read financial reviews, you will find that Parker supplies Chrysler marine diesel filters :shades:
    Why would they change their supplier knowing the common rail technology requires expensive 2 micron filtration?

    By the way, I kept my old Mopar filters in the garage for the sake of discussion ;)
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Our Libby is quite short and so is the distance between the rear wheels and the ball (without extension). When I tow a 27 ft 5k lb boat trailer I get no tail wagging with the Jeep but I do get some with my Dakota which is 3 ft longer and has better tires. Also, on my Dakota the ball is 1.5 ft more behind the rear wheels giving the trailer a little more leverage. I am not disagreeing with you at all. It's just that shorter is not always worse. The Zoom, or something like it, might be just right for us too.
  • rnaborsrnabors Member Posts: 25
    I purchased the Jeep rear air deflector. I do not see any difference in fuel mileage but it does a nice job of keeping the rear glass cleaner.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    siberia: We have been looking over the web and found lots RV's we want to look at this a little more closer trailers. The Zoom looks nice as far as weight and what you need, We need a 8' wide trailer, and zoom is a 7' wide, but they make an excellent RV that's for sure. Fleetwood seems to be the main company that a lot of these models are under. So fat the Mallard or Pioneer 180ck seem to be what fits the liberty weight and length of our needs. There are some real great buys now as fuel is high and dealers want to move them out before summer ends. Will keep you posted, but we are in the lookie lou sage and you may well be way ahead of us by a long shot.

    Farout
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Can't interest you in a diesel Sprinter conversion van? :shades:
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    It's kind of a catch 22, isn't it? Prices of TTs are depressed right now because of fuel prices yet we are hesitant to buy because we are concerned about higher fuel prices in the future. If fuel prices continue upward like they have, we will be looking harder at fuel efficient TT's. If fuel prices stabilize we will be going for a bigger, wider, heavier TT. The quest continues unabated. :)
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    OK this weekend 36 mpg(cruise 68) and 30 mpg(traffic and you know). Love the pushrod. But crd spent the weekend at home. We both have mentally divorced this vehicle. Winter2, still get lost - see post about maybe 15w40 - thanks for getting me up to speed albeit late.

    Saw Aliner folding insulated small campers in Ft Worth some time back. Aliner, Columbia Northwest, Inc. Mammoth, PA.
  • bmartinpebmartinpe Member Posts: 51
    Have you thought of an Airstream Bambi. The nineteen footer has a dinette, a double bed, a separate shower and toilet, plus a galley. GVRW is around 4700 pounds. I would look for one no older than 1999.
  • arvmanarvman Member Posts: 95
    Hey all,just got back from a trip across the rockies and guess what?Engine light came on at the top of a mountain,almost a mile up.Truck ran well though.Got it into a dealer that day and got a code P1140 SET need more time to diagnose.Tech said an E.G.R. control circuit issue(computer)?Anyway,drove it for 3 more days through the mountains and it worked great,actually got a bit better than posted mileage.Toetured the tranny a bit but it took it and seemed to like it.Seems to be a minor problem but i hope there aren't too many more of these.It goes in the shop thursday but until then I'm driving it like I stole it.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Winter2, still get lost - see post about maybe 15w40 - thanks for getting me up to speed albeit late.

    The line above is sort of confusing. Could you please clarify?
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    Thought I saw a winter2 post a good time back at lost. Caught up on posts and saw a reference to 5w40 getting past the turbo seals(?). Then a post about 15w40 amsoil in another crd for 1k miles now.

    Really didn't plan on posting anymore, and it was a 2fer. One about the Aliner and one for you. We have yet to test drive our choices but like a lot of places this weekend it will be above 100 degrees and not much fun.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    bmartinpe: According to the Airstream Bambi web site these are very high dollar investments, at least from my financial outlook they are. They are top of the line that's for sure.

    Farout
  • bmartinpebmartinpe Member Posts: 51
    Top of the line is right. But you can sometimes find a used bambi at a good price. I am keeping an eye on the various internet classified sites. You may want to look at rvonline.com, for example.
  • keywestcrdkeywestcrd Member Posts: 5
    Just got my CRD out of the shop last week after in threw a P1140 code. It was in the shop a total of three separate times for a total of three days. The tech, with the assistance of STAR, diagnosed a bad EGR valve. It was ordered(one week wait)and replaced, but that did not fix the problem. STAR recommended replacement of the Air Flow Control Module, that was the ticket. The light went off and has stayed off for the last week (fingers crossed). They also contemplated replacing the EGR solenoid but that was not done. But they did replace the EGR gasket after they replaced the Air Flow Control Module. I would have thought that they would have replaced the gasket when the EGR valve was replaced (go figure, live and learn I guess).
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    Hey gang,
    I have left this baord to hang out on another one but thought I would give you an update on my tranny woes that created such concern. It has now been more than 2 weeks since the tranny blew on my 05 CRD sport with 20,500 miles (9 months old). As I stated in previous posts the battle with DCX and local dealer was a very bad experience taking 2 days of my time and 1/2 a day off work. Finally I got to someone who cared after I had to prove to them there really was a problem. Since then, the vehicle has been in their parking lot (undriveable) and a wrench still hasn't been turned to fix it yet. I called yesterday and they said they are still waiting on the parts (said they would be here last Friday) and it could be several days before they arrive. Once they arrive they are looking at 2 days to repair it. This will mean the vehicle should be ready first of the week (next week) which will be a total in shop time of 3 weeks. The only reason I'm not hopping mad anymore is I have bought another vehicle to replace the CRD. The manager said that they will be putting all new "updated" parts in (larger cooler and updated pump). How do you really know? I hope for all of you that they get a fix for this thing that doesn't require tearing your tranny's down on a new vehicle. They know there is a problem with them.

    They also know there is a problem with the steering - did you see the recall of all 02-06 Liberty's on the news today? Steering failure issue.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    What is the "Air Flow Control Module exactly?
    I checked in the repair manual and the egr actuator should be wired directly onto the ECU. Is there something new to make it a bit more unreliable?
    I really feel bad for you having to go through all these issues. When I joined this forum I simply thought you would all be discovering a fantastic engine; unfortunately the stricter emissions regulations made it become quite different :sick:
  • bmartinpebmartinpe Member Posts: 51
    Has anyone got any experience with Goodyear's Wrangler Silent Armour tire on the Liberty? The tire specifications indicate a 6-ply sidewall and traction numbers near the top of the chart. The kevlar belt should make the tire practically bullet proof. I am wondering how the tires ride and if there are any balance issues.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: I too feel bad for those who are dealing with a lot of problems. I have a strange feeling when I read of CRD's with just less or even a few more miles on them than mine. I still feel real certian that we paid big time to be a test market for DCX. There is no way DCX went into this venture of the VM Motori engine without knowing this engine was not going to be able to pass the 2007 emissions. In Mikes totally Jeep news they have posted the engines and vehicles that will use these new "Phoenix" engines that will be in the DCX line up until 2015. If DCX plans this well and this far in advance it only proves we were a "test market". I would not be so resentful if we would have been told this is an test to seen how you like these CRD's. With all my heart I know DCX owes us some kind of rebate or reduction on a new Jeep of our choice to be used in perhaps the next 24 months. I think the value is not going to hold in the CRD's if the problems are not addressed real quick. 11,000 of us CRD "test market" owners have a serious complaint and DCX needs to do something. 11,000 is not very many CRD's for two years. Consider that in 05 there were 8,333 made that's less than 2,677 CRD's in 06! The report I heard on the TV was DCX ended production early, as the acceptance of the CRD was fantastic. Well it's been said the word "fantastic" is a polite lady's way of saying "bull-s--t". And that's what it is when only 11,000 "test market CRD's were made.
    I am hoping my CRD is one of the best ones made, because I for one can not afford to change vehicles for a good long while, I am stuck, and hope it turns out to be a good vehicle. With V M Motori's reputation it would seem it should be a good engine. The problem is poor technical training and lack of experience of making the ECU and PCM do everything short of turning the starting key on.
    Today they have announced a recall for 832,000 jeep Liberty"s steering. I am thinking this may well be ball joints. I had mine checked two weeks ago. Our Liberty is in the body shop, a deer hit and and did $2,400. in damages. While they are replacing all this front end plastic, I asked how much more a chrome grill would cost? Imagine only $2.00 ! So we maybe the only CRD Sport in our area with a chrome grill. My wife really missed that from having the Limited we traded in on this CRD.
    Still no ULSD here in Missouri, and diesel fuel is $3.109 a gallon, high for us, cheap for you. Drive carefully.

    Farout
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