Jeep Liberty Diesel

farout

THANKS FOR FIXING THE SPELL CHECKER, WE NOW CAN SEE RED!

Farout

new2diesel

Farout,
I could'nt agree more. I think DCX knew exactly what they were doing. In my mind it was an attempt to save their image and stay competitive. They simply wanted to be able to say that they offer a fuel efficient 4x4 early while they were waiting to launch their better designed and better researched models years later. They did this at our expense. By my calculations they owe us about $4000 based on the excessive deprecition these vehicles are experiencing. I know there are some CRD owners who don't want to beleive or accept the depreciation on these units but it is real. It doesn't matter what the books say or your dealer says, what matters is what is someone willing to stroke you a check for your CRD. If you sell it you will see what I mean. The only way to come out ok is to hang on to it and hope it holds up. I couldn't do that.

So the question is,how do we get DCX to do the right thing here? Any ideas? :confuse:

caribou1

new2diesel,
Most recent common rail vehicles over here don't only over depreciate, they just don't sell easily because of extravagant cost of service and parts replacement when the warranty is over.
I can assure you things are changing to the worst and people tend to say "it's just money" while escaping this subject from the conversation. I have the feeling service technicians who have been imposed fixed amounts of time to diagnose the problems under warranty will be more relaxed' to charge work-hours to those who buy second hand.
To my opinion the new regulations will force the market to change the products we are offered, but they will be more expensive because people don't react.
On the 2003 VM engines brochure I remember reading my engine was a degraded (??) version of yours. They must have meant issue wise.

farout

Caribou1: Thanks for your response. Is the reason that CRD's are poor sellers and the same for resale, because of the amount of repairs after the warranty is up? This situation effects my wife and I greatly, as being retired it was (and still is) this engine would be a strong lasting engine, do you feel this is unrealistic? We have been considering a TT and if this vehicle is unlikely to have the lasting endurance it would be a risky move if it would not last. I appreciate you experience and opinion.

Farout

winter2

My answer maybe off of the mark, but I would look elsewhere for tires and buy something other than Goodyear.

Goodyear has a reputation for being overpriced and overrated. Save your money and get something different. I might suggest Bridgestone or Yokohama tires. I have used both and have had outstanding results from both. Michelin like Goodyear is overpriced and allergic to wet roads once they are more than one-third worn. Pirelli tires are also good but unfortunately their tread life is shorter than most. The control, wet or dry however is unreal.

arvman

Guess you've all heard the news about the balljoint recall on the libby's.I just laugh now,this truck cost me a few dollars but it is costing Chrysler a lot too.They don't get it,cheap parts and cost cutting is biting them in the butt.Whatever I paid for my warranty has already paid for itself in costs for a rental and shop time.I'm gonna do some diggin on the tranny issue,I can't seem to blow mine up yet.

thecip

My biggest issue I have so far with DCX is the lack of experienced diesel techs to support CRD warranty work. The dealer I used to go to only has one certifed diesel mechanic and he works mostly on Cummings. I think I am going to start going to other Jeep dealers and asking if they have CRD experience.

When my CRD stalled and would not start for about an hour, the dealer found nothing but a crank sensor code and had the thing for 3 1/2 days. The service manager said they were going through the documented steps to locate the problem. Well sometimes it takes a little experience and good ole American enginuity to find and fix problems. Those procedures cannot cover every single scenario. At least I got a free rental for 2 of the days. Luckily I was able to upgrade the warranty to the 6/80 so hopefully my pain will be limited to driving a rental.

bigjohn10

Do you know if the Grand Cherokee will be the same engine as the one currently in the Lib?? I really want a diesel but based on this forum I'd say you have to have rocks in your head to buy one. However, if the GC is a new and improved version then I'd reconsider it.

stever

It was Tidester pushing that issue on your behalf (I hadn't noticed until I saw the posts in here). :shades:

Here's a blurb about the recall; looks like the ball joints again.

Jeep Liberty models being recalled (Pacific Daily News )

arvman

I've heard there will be a bigger version of the crd engine,3.7 litre i think or maybe a mercedes diesel 5 cylinder.

farout

bigjohn10: I resent being told that I and others that have bought a CRD have "rocks in your head"! You are rude, and that's no way to start, and them ask a question about the GC CRD coming out in 2007. Well seeing we are so dumb to have bought a CRD, then why don't you go to a Mikes Totally Jeep News and because you are so much wiser than us, read it for your self! Perhaps if you come to understand that insults get you no where, and you wish to return with an apology some one of us with rocks in our head just might respond to your dumb as rocks in your head question!

Farout

farout

arvaman: Not a 5 cyc, but a V-6 I believe it's a 3. L. It is called a Bluetec made by MB. You can bet it won't be anything but outrageous in price, because of the 2007 emissions requirements.

Farout

arvman

O.K.,I must be thinking of the mercedes g-wagon engine,How's your rig running farout?

farout

bmartinpe: I have these tires in the 245 70 16 t. This is the very first set of GoodYear tires I have ever bought. I always take the GoodYear tires off asap when I buy a new vehicle. The ST tires on the liberty are the finest example of a junk tire I have ever seem! But the tire dealer I buy all my tires from said that he would give me a set of the Silent Armor tires for $350. plus my tires that had less than 300 miles on them. They are the very best tire I have ever owned! They are excellent on gravel, mud, snow and even ice. In the rain they grip the road like no other tire I have ever driven. The best part is the ride is QUIET and very smooth, but firm. I never thought I would say anything good about a GoodYear tire, but what I say is my experience with these tires. I have a very rough dirt road with ruts and pot holes, gravel and sharp rocks, the other tires I found that worked well on our Dakota quad Cab was the Cooper Discoverer, but they were noisy and held up well but wore our in 18,000 miles and I have 17,700 miles on our Liberty now and they show very moderate ware. I expect to see hopefully 30,000, if I do I will buy another set, if the CRD holds up, and that's a big if. With only 11,000 of us CRD "test market" buyers it's anyone's guess.
I do not disagree with winter2 as a rule but on these tires he is mistaken, and I am frankly totally blown away that GoodYear can produce a tire that's worth having except when you first get a vehicle, because they were the lowest bidder. Hope you give them a closer look. They are rated very high on most reviews. Good luck.

Farout

anomious

Farout!! I see where you're coming from but I think that you read it wrong... He said that based on this forum... Meaning the information that has been presented in this forum... that a person would have rocks etc! He knows full well that none of us had that information when we bought the liberty. He meant no disrespect!

Now kiss and make up! Lol

thanks! LK

caribou1

Farout, it's not only the CRD's but all makes of vehicles using this new technology. We can always expect these broadly distributed diesel injection parts to come down in price within a few years as long as emissions regulations specialists fix a standard and keep it.
There are many second hand Liberty CRD's exposed for sale in my region this year and we were supposed to have good fuel from the beginning. Could be due to the price of fuel, overcharging from the dealerships or just too many 'pit stops' that people don't accept anymore.

siberia

Hey gang, I heard a news item on the way to work this morning that about 50% of all car rentals are due to owner’s vehicles in the shop. That can’t all be due to CRDs!

libbmann

When I got my Liberty in '05, I immediately went to my Goodyear dealer and swapped out the OEM Wrangler HP for Fortera tires. These are the predesessors to the Silent Armor tires. I love these tires. They are quiet, ride well, balance well, handle the rain and snow, and are wearing well after 24,000 miles. I have always had good luck with
Goodyear tires, but it all depends on which ones. I agree that the OEM tires are only built to minimum specs for bidding purposes, but their quality tires such as Forteras are exceptional. When I replace these tires it will be with Silent Armour. I've heard these are great tires, better then the original Forteras I have. I just haven't decided on whether to get the all season tread or the new triple treads.

caribou1

This is a rather sad information and I doubt car manufacturers will carry on this way. Change to the 'Happy News' channel if you still have access. All we hear/read about is problems, conflicts and pollution. Sad we don't have the Disney channel here :sick:

keywestcrd

Caribou 1 - It appears that the air flow control module is the device that the rubber after cooler hose connects into on the intake side of the engine just before the intake manifold. It is a shiny box shaped device and, I'm guessing here, serves as a type of "waste gate" for the for the turbo system. Hopefully, there is someone out there who knows more than I that could elaborate on this. When the OBD II system throws certain codes they may not be equipment/unit specific. In effect, a P1140 may refer to fuel/air metering system problem but can indicate a problem with either/both the EGR/Air Sensors, etc., this appears to be the reason that the techs, even with the assistance of the fellows at STAR, have to play trial and error when the MIL comes on. obviously, the same code on two different vehicles can mean different problems (pretty screwey, uh!) :confuse:

caribou1

There is probably a simple way to live with this thing. In my early biking days I used to take the fuel filter and carburetors off the engine, clean everything and put it together until new problems occurred. We all lived happily until today. Could you not just make a preventive cleaning every 5000 miles or so? I'm sure it's feasible, dirty but reassuring on the long run. If you are not skilled to put your hands in there I'm sure you'll find a white haired mechanic that will do it for curiosity.

winter2

Farout,

Are you trying to tell me that Goodyear has finally figured out how to make a decent tire? I will wait and see. If it turns out to be the case, then I might reconsider my position on Goodyear.

winter2

I spoke with my dealer yesterday concerning this issue. DCX has told them that a recall is coming for the ball joints, but beyond that they know nothing else. In the local paper, it stated DCX would be sending out recall notices in September.

I asked if there were any warning signs before the ball joints failed and the service advisor said that if they failed, it would be without warning.

winter2

The GC will have the same diesel used in the E class MB cars but in a somewhat different state of tune.

As to having "rocks in one's head", speak for yourself.

tailgate

Finally, resolution on a major problem, and its going to cost DCX greatly.

I dont know if anyone else is feeling the same, but I'm getting this good-all-over feelin about my Liberty, and why not, I'm getting over 30 mpg on the highway, and it is just as comfortable (to me) as it can be, to drive with its power house coupled (got to be careful, I squalled the tires twice by mistake) with its 5 speed auto, provides real driving comfort to me, and its just plain different... :shades:

This Liberty unit replaced my everyday Jeep truck & my crusier motorcycle. It's a good compromise in many repects (and it don't take any longer to do a good wash & wax than the bike) I'm likin it more each day. I just looking for neat little up grades to make more fun out of ownership.

Has anyone purchased and tryed the Dash & console upgrade kits? If so which kind, and how did it turn out? I have seen many on ebay for bid or sale.

tailgate

Arman

What year is you Liberty, and how hard have you tried blow the tranny?

arvman

It's an 05 and I took it through part of the rockies last weekend.Went up a lot of mountains and some out of the way trails.In and out of overdrive where applicable and it just took it.I was mad because the engine light came on halfway through the trip,dealer in a small town was great.Mech got an obscure code and the "star" people were not available.The truck ran just fine so I drove about 600 miles like that,it goes in the shop tomorrow.Guess my emotions got the best of me but now I'm calm again and driving like normal.I have e-mailed dc about the tranny issue even though mine seems fine so we'll see what they say.

steve05

Dash upgrrade kit: I picked up the "carbon fibre" dash and shifter replacement plates. They are sweet! The catalog lists a couple of other styles that include door inserts. I have not seen these, but the carbon fibre does not include them. It gives the interior a major new look. You won't believe that until you install it.

tailgate

steve

What color is your interior, I assuming its either a light or dark gray. I have the darker gray. Do you recall the manufacture of you dash kit, or even the model number?
thanks

farout

winter2: If anyone would have said I would have EVER bought a set of Good Year tires I would have bet money that there was not a GoodYear tire I would ever buy. I know exactally how and why you think and feel as you do. Lets face it $180. dollars a tire is high dollar in my opinion, and as far as my wallet is concerned. Should these tires not get 30,000 miles or better, no matter how well they drive it would not be worth the cost. So I reserve my total approval until then, but as for now these appear to be a top notch tire.

Farout

farout

arvman: It was running fine until July 24 when a deer tried to hit it head on. $2,400. damages at 50 mph with a pretty big doe. The front end of our Liberty's have a lot of plastic parts. The headlight assembly was close to $250. Glad I have $100. deductible. We are getting it back on Aug. 7th. We have a Dodge Stratus SXT 4cyc. rental. The thing only gets 21 mpg, but rides smooth. I like the CRD better.

Farout

smokinclatter

I agree, it looks like someone was trying to lean into a punch. As much as I like this vehicle's idea, I wouldn't buy one now after reading the realities on this site.

farout

anomious: I don't kiss strangers, ever! Only he knows what he met. I think respect is a very basic principal in any dialogue or forum. When someone uses insults to ask a question that's unacceptable to me and most others who try to be helpful and answer questions even if we all have seen then on the forum many many times. I may not agree with someone but respecting the right of someone else's opinion is required. If this is not normal, maybe I do have rocks in my head. But I don't think so.

Farout

farout

smokinclatter: If I read you right, you don't have a CRD? Although I have had no real mechanical problems, If I had known then what I know now, I would have not bought the CRD. Mainly because DCX was not up front that these were a "test market" vehicle. I like our CRD and I hope it will live up to our expectations. However I would not tell someone to buy one. Not unless they took out an extended warranty for 100,000 miles. Then what do we do after the warranty is over? I sure have my doubts about part cost and the labor. When the CRD's came out they were very well presented as the best DCX had ever offered in a Jeep. Were we fooled? Only time will tell. I would not do it again if I had the knowledge they should have made us aware of.

Farout

dreamr2

Gee, I was just about to buy a 2005 limited CRD. Now I'm really getting cold feet. I am a woman, and I travel a lot. I now have a 2003 liberty sport that I dearly love, except for the fuel mileage. I love the 4X4, and though I don't go offroad for recreation, I do like to cut across medians, when traffic is blocked, and turn around in places that I wouldn't go without the security of my 4X4.

I was hoping to keep the parts I like about my jeep, yet upgrade to a limited and a CRD for better gas mileage.

I'm like one day away from closing on a 2005 liberty CRD with 50K miles. Haven't bought it yet...probably won't now.

smokinclatter

I Know what you mean. Personally, I would wait until the next generation diesel comes out. You would only have 20K miles left on warranty. Curious to know how much $$$ as there is a big depreciation on the CRD. When mine is not in the shop, I get 21.5 MPG with A/C on - city. Can't beat it.

dreamr2

Yeah, you may be right. The trouble is, they will probably be so darn expensive I'd have to wait three years after they came out to be able to afford one.

We are negotiating a price on an extended warranty. Right now the base price I've been offered is right at $20,000. It has all kinds of bells and whistles. I'd love it, if only......

I think one of the problems seems to be that the service people at most jeep dealers don't know beans about working on a diesel engine.

Thanks for your reply

smokinclatter

That is one of the problems. I don't expect that to improve as there won't be an '07 CRD here. If your extended warranty has car rental....you may need it. Is it possible to get a warranty service history on it?

farmer52

steve05 - I have a 2006 CRD Limited and the shifter plate and dash plate finish are brushed aluminum. I like the brushed finish but sometimes the sun shines just right and there is a glare from the shiter plate. I would like to replace it with the Sport plate or a quality aftermarket plate. How does one remove the shifter plate? What brand is a quality aftermarket plate? Thanks!

farout

smokinclatter: I would not look for a diesel Liberty for perhaps 4 or five years, according to the engine line up of the DCX phoenix engines schedule. The Commander is to have one in I believe 2008 or 09. Miles Totally Jeep News has the schedule of the engines and what they are to go in. Most all the future engines will be a V-6.

Farout

farmer52

I guess I am not driving my CRD correctly. I like the factory Goodyear ST tires, good ride and handling. Believe me, Ohio roads are not the best. I have not driven it off road or in snow but no problems with dry or wet handling. I have driven my CRD (in 2WD) in heavy downpours recently with no problems. Also, I usually get 75K+ miles on a set of tires. I rotate and balance my tires every 6 months (~15K miles). I talked to my local Goodyear dealer just after purchasing my CRD and he said the ST was a good tire and did not recommend replacing it.

My opinion of Goodyear Gatorbacks is not very high! :mad:

farout

dreamr2: With 50,000 miles on on 05 that's a lot, but might indicate it has had no problems. Then again maybe the owner traded it off because they could not afford the maintance. My advice is don't do it unless you get the 100,000 mile service warranty, and the price is below $16,500. and you are willing to become fimular with diesel and it's quarks. There is more to this than you think of at first.

Farout

smokinclatter

Oh I have one all right. 18K mi.'05. It was my primary driver but I have it as an occasional driver now---to keep the miles down. At this moment everything seems to be working.

nescosmo

Dreamr2.... To buy or no to Buy; If I were you I would not buy it not because is a bad investment is because the Libby is just like any foreign car. This forum do not understand that the Jeep is just another foreign car-Partially because the engine. and parts like any foreign car cost a lots of money. If you have a [non-permissible content removed] car for example the water pump will cost you 5 time more than an american car. I had a ford E150 and the water pump cost me $40.00 life time warranty, I had a dodge D50 4 cylinder with a mitsubishi engine and the pump cost me $130.00 and the power stirring pump cost me $500.00. That is why you have to be prepare to spend some money with this CRD.

new2diesel

Dreamer2,
FYI I just traded my 9 month old 05 sport with 20,500 miles on it for $15,500. You are getting taken buying an '05 with 50,000 for $20k. DON"T DO IT! Heck, I'll buy mine back from the dealer and sell it to you for $17,000!

kevin27

ltcowboy:

I was thinking about adding the factory SIRIUS to my CRD as well. I also have the RB1 radio. Did you install yourself or did you have a dealer do it? I've considered doing it myself, but I'm not sure of where put the unit. I was reading online, and it appears that for Cherokees, the SIRIUS box is mounted back with the CD changer. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find much about the installation in the Liberty and was hoping to get some insight.

Thanks.

Kevin

siberia

Dreamr2, before you decide to buy a used CRD, and I don't think you should, you should take it out and drive it for a day. I mean drive it for a day. Drive it around town for a couple of hours, drive it on the highway at 80 mph for at least an hour during the heat of the day. Run it hard up some on ramps and let off the pedal and let it coast down to 58 mph and set the cruise. Idle around in neighborhoods. If you have a trailer, hook it up to a trailer and pull it. Drive it every which way you can.

It is interesting that my CRD has thrown 4 engine lights and one tire pressure light and every one happened when my wife was driving by herself. I cleared 3 fault codes myself and they did not repeat. Unfortunately, the 4 th code was and EGR code and I took it in for repair rather than clearing the code myself and it got a new EGR valve.

I am convinced that driving style affects these vehicles. Give it ample opportunity for it to act up during your driving style. Or just forget about it. :shades:

caribou1

If this truck really has 50,000 miles the engine compartment should be evenly dusty, oily or just dirty. If the engine is absolutely clean then having doubts is justified. Also seek for bits and pieces that are cleaner than others, not forgetting that all nuts and bolts should have a dull color and not be chipped or shiny on their corners.
A major maintenance is due at 60,000 miles when the timing belt needs be replaced. The other alternative is to marry the salesman! :shades:

new2diesel

Just got a message from the Jeep Dealership that has had my CRD for 2.5 weeks now and is supposed to be fixing the blown transmission. They said the parts have been redesigned again and are on back order. They hope they will be here next Friday. If they are here next Friday that means it will be at least the following Tues before it is ready. That will be excatly 1 month! One month in the shop! Do I have a case for a buy back yet? To add insult to injury - Chrysler Credit never released my title after I paid it off in October. I only finacned $3000 for 15 days to get the $1000 rebate when I bought it. I am having a heck of a time getting anyone to do anything about releasing the title. What is with this organization. It is like they are trying to do everything they can to run off their customers. Get your act together DCX! I hope you go bankrupt - you deserve it! :sick: Does anyone know who I can call to request a buy back?

jc7349

I have the same problem waiting for parts. They got the torque converter but the tranny pump is the hold up. Mine has been in the shop since July 25th.

This really stinks.