Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    moparbad: Where do these writers come up with the 100,000 mile warrantee I felt like this was ok, and better than Consumer Reports, who must have never even driven one.
    I think the 160 hp is more than adaquite for passing. I have had no problems pasing when I found I needed to pass.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    unclebubba: When wasy your CRD made. I don't recall anyone having a EGR problem with a CRD mad after May. Mine was made June 15/05 My dealer says only ones replaced so far has been three all made before May 05. Maybe this is true?

    Farout
  • farmer52farmer52 Member Posts: 61
    Farout: I called my dealer today to see if I can be at the factory when it is being built. I am only two (2) hours from Toledo. I am not sure if it can be done but it never hurts to ask. I do not plan to take delivery of the CRD until after April 1st. I want to wait and see if Jeep has any better rebates (currently $1500).

    Thanks for the service contract advise. The 2006 comes with just the standard 3/36 warranty. I plan to investigate additional coverage. I have never purchased an extended warranty but this time it may be a wise investment.

    Oil analysis: I am spoiled because I can get oil analysis thru my employer at an "attractive" price. I recommend you contact your local dealer, a local HD truck dealer, or an oil distributor. I do know that John Deere dealers sell oil sample kits that include analysis. I do not know if truck stops sell these kits. Good luck!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Any idea where A person gets an oil analysis at a good price.

    I haven't looked lately but I have seen links to mail in analysis companies over in the Engine Oil - A slippery subject Part 2 discussion before.

    Flying J supposedly does them on-site in 5 minutes at a dozen locations around the US; no idea what the price is.

    Steve, Host
  • texcrdtexcrd Member Posts: 17
    What's the procedure to remove the large plastic engine cover?
  • skiduckskiduck Member Posts: 49
    Thanks for the pixs of your provent install. You could be a moonshiner/stillmaker in training with all that plumbing. Is there any contact info. that you have about buying from a dealer/distributor. I opened up my intercooler hose on the output side of my 05 libby and at 2500 miles it is already turning black with blow-by oil. I hope that the oil doesn't degrade the rubber of the hose. I am interested in installing the provent system. I do agree with another poster that the system looks pricey ($130) for what you get plus the cost of other plumbing hardware used, but hey its only dirty green paper, right. I have noticed lots of exhaust smoke when I floor it at night in my rearview mirror, I hope I am not the next one with an EGR problem. I did have a question about what the filter media is in the provent that you installed. Also I went to look at my front/rear differential to check/change the fluid and I could not see how the change the fluid without taking the differential cover off. I thought the owners manual said it had a drain and fill port on the axle, but maybe I am just thinking off the transfer case??? Has anyone drained there radiators yet and seen anything (grit etc.) in the used fluid? I noticed in an earlier post that someone had their transmission cooler upgraded to a larger cooler( someone said it was the gas engine cooler.) I wouldn't mind doing this or putting two coolers in series. I always thought that keeping a transmission fluid cooler (by 20F or more) will extend the transmission by 2X. And from what I see here and have already had problems with mine(shuderring) maybe this might be a good idea. Thanks to all for some interesting ideas about the CRD.
  • skiduckskiduck Member Posts: 49
    Take the oil filler cap off and gently pull the large plastic cover up and off. It is just sitting on 4 posts that keep the cover attached thru friction. While you are in there make sure you tighten up all the turbo hose clamps, mine were loose when they were new. Good luck
  • skiduckskiduck Member Posts: 49
    How do you look for water in the gray spin on filter, or am I missing something? I tried to buy a replacement fuel filter at several auto parts stores and the all say that they dont have a listing for it yet, its an 05? So I guess I will have to go to jeep. I am trying to eliminate some of the ideas about causes for my libbys' shudders and vibrations. It has happened twice when starting out and I did wait for 10-15 seconds before putting it into gear, but I will try to wait 30 seconds. Also I notice a vibration when I am going 70-75 mph and coast when it seems that the engine is almost starved for fuel. This has happened even with the warm weather that we have been having( it was 82F today. ) Any thoughts from the group, I have used several different gas stations to see if it is just bad fuel. My dead battery problems seem to have gone away after an extended slow charge, but then again it hasen't been cold lately either. I am also looking for an easy place to attach a turbo boost gauge both inside the cab and on the engine's plumbing without having to drill a threaded fitting on the turbo housing. Any suggestions would be helpful.
  • skiduckskiduck Member Posts: 49
    I have just ordered an amsoil system that use the stored up engine oil pressure to "prelube" the engine before you actually crank over the engine. It is called the PRECHARGER with their BYPASS FILTER arrangement. We will see if it works out OK and I will post some pixs. Supposedly you can go 25,000 miles between changes if you use AMSOIL and this system and oil change analysis, plus you get about 4 more quarts capacity and the plumbing to relocate the filter system to another place on the frame. I also saw another system that uses an electric system to pump the oil up to the block before you crank over the engine. Good luck with your new Libby.
  • dzlmysterdzlmyster Member Posts: 15
    A simple oil analysis that provides data on all the major metals, additive packs in the oil,info on coolant or fuel in the oil, and also how much soot is present, can be obtained through your local Cat dealer, also at truck shops displaying the Cat sign. It is called SOS and costs about $20.00. If you want more info such as TBN then that will be more costly. Chevron and others including Lubrizol,Wear Check, and possibly others, can also provide oil analysis.
    For those with new vehicles starting out doing this, don't be alarmed at the metal counts for the first couple of oil changes, at least until the engine gets broken in. There is some good literature also available to help interpret the results from most of the above places. They also explain how to take a good sample, which is just as important.

    Regards
    Dzlmyster
  • skiduckskiduck Member Posts: 49
    I was reading over the weekend and saw in one of the warranty books that the diesel engine has a 100k warranty on the 05, I will have to find it again. It was in small print on one of the smaller booklets that came in the army green bag. I will get back to the forum on this. Did anyone else read this? Also I was reading in some of the earlier posts about buying lock out hubs to disengage the front axle froming spinning when in two-wheel drive, anybody do this and what was the mileage saving. Good nite
  • nu2dieselnu2diesel Member Posts: 2
    I'm also getting 21 mpg no matter how I drive. I have 1200 miles so far. What part of the country are you in. Is the weather warm?
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    If you have a fuel starvation problem, have them check for codes regarding fuel pressure. Mine needed the fuel filter assembly replaced. My symptom was that it would suddenly die ~10 seconds after startup. Air was getting into the fuel line, I think from the pump diaphragm.

    As to the fuel filter, I have yet to find an aftermarket.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    skiduck: I read the same thing in the article someone referred us to a day ago. The article was just a fair report on the CRD. In the report it said the 2005 CRD came with a 5 year 100,000 mile limited engine warranty. Well I said to my self, self I best check this out because this was one reason I bought the Service Contract. I called the famous 1-800-992-1997 line. They said that only applied to a VERY FEW THAT WERE FIRST MADE. I am not in that group. It is amazing how many people out there who know so much about this CRD, even when they don't own one, have never seen one or even know anything about any diesel.
    Caution on adding aftermarket engine stuff, it just might void your warranty. Best to check first. I am going on the fact if DCX has not worked out the worst of the problems on this CRD, after experimenting over in Europe for almost 15 years, then they got a problem...me. I do not expect anything but the normal little things. And so far in 11,300 miles no problems, which is as I expect.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    This is an easy one why even Tired Old Dave can do this in his advanced age! FIRST UNSCREW THE OIL FILLER CAP!Lift up at front of engine cover, and it pops right up, then do same to the back. There are 4 rubber female keepers that go over the pins attached on the engine.
    I was amazed at how small the engine really was. I wonder what the engine sounds without the cover when driving? Maybe I will try it sometime just to see. I will bet someone already has. Has anyone?

    Farout
  • dadx3dadx3 Member Posts: 6
    I have an 05 CRD Limited (build 01/05) that came with a standard "7yr/70,000 mile Powertrain Limited Warranty", and a "7yr/100,000 mile Limited Diesel Engine Warranty" (quoting from my warranty guide).
  • retmil46retmil46 Member Posts: 24
    The factory fuel filter/water separator has a sensor attached to the bottom. If you get any significant water buildup, you'll get a warning light on the dash.

    As far as draining a small amount of fuel to check for water, rather simple. Disconnect the sensor from the bottom of the filter, then unscrew the plastic fitting on the bottom of the filter about a half-turn or so, until you start to get fuel dribbling out. You can catch this in a small container and examine it for water. When done, retighten the fitting and reattach the sensor harness. Don't monkey torque the fitting, it's made of plastic with a rubber gasket, just good and snug.

    To reprime and vent any air from the filter, you'll need an 11 mm wrench and a small container to catch any vented fuel. Operate the priming pump for 20 strokes, then open the bleed fitting on the filter head (looks like a brake bleed fitting)to vent any air, then shut the bleed fitting. Repeat the process until you get nothing but fuel out the bleed fitting.

    A clogged fuel filter is not outside the realm of possibility. I've had two instances in 8500 miles, narrowed down by process of elimination to one particular station that was common to both times, a convenience store type setup with a single diesel pump and underground tanks. You can actually INCREASE your chances of getting a clogged filter by switching around to different stations. Try to avoid small out of the way stations, or stations with only a single diesel pump that don't see that much business from the diesel crowd and/or have underground tanks. Try to stick to stations with a high volume of business and/or truck stops.

    You need to figure out first which station or stations in your area sell good clean quality diesel, then run all the questionable stuff out and fill up with the known good fuel, THEN change out the fuel filter and see what the results are.

    Biological contamination (microbes and other growies) is also a possibility, especially if you're getting old fuel from a station that doesn't see much business. This can clog up a fuel filter as well. When I do a fillup, in addition to 8 ounces of Power Service white bottle, I add a 1/2 ounce of biocide as a preventative measure. If nothing else, you can find it at a marine hardware store or service center, if you can't find it at any local truck stops.

    Changing out the factory fuel filter is a PITA. You'll need a strap wrench of some type for removal and installation. I tried an oil filter wrench, can't get it on due to the proximity of other equipment. Makes it easier if you disconnect both fuel lines from the filter and the two electrical harnesses plugged into the filter head.

    Because it's such a PITA to change out, I added in an aftermarket fuel filter/water separator ahead of the factory unit. PermaCool Fuel Filter/Water Separator kit, $50 from JC Whitney, rated for 2 micron and 24K miles, replacement filters are $18. The factory fuel filter costs $38 at the dealer and is a PITA to change, the Permacool filter cost $18 and I can change them in less than 5 minutes. Which one do you think I want to clog up first?
  • retmil46retmil46 Member Posts: 24
    Just might be some truth to it. As part of the TSB for EGR replacement, another TSB, 18-018-05, to reflash the ECM, is supposed to be performed as well. Looking up 18-018-05 itself, this is a TSB to reflash the ECM and applies to all CRD's BUILT PRIOR TO MAY 15 2005. Dealer is supposed to perform this TSB first time the vehicle comes in for service, period. As part of this TSB, they're supposed to place a sticker somewhere under the hood noting that the TSB has been performed. Mine was built May 11th, and there's no sticker. Guess what the dealer's going to be doing next time I visit?
  • towwmetowwme Member Posts: 52
    I drove mine a few miles without the plastic engine cover on, to warm up the drivetrain to check the tranny fluid. I can't get the the tranny dip stick without taking off this cover. I couldn't tell any difference in noise level. It might be there just to help keep the engine warmer...

    I see that the engine compartment needs some attention from an can of Gunk engine cleaner!

    How long does it take to warm-up. I normally have to drive 3 to 4 miles to get the engine up to tempature?
  • alljeepalljeep Member Posts: 35
    I have an 05 CRD Limited (build 01/05) that came with a standard "7yr/70,000 mile Powertrain Limited Warranty", and a "7yr/100,000 mile Limited Diesel Engine Warranty" (quoting from my warranty guide).

    This is exactly whay my user manual states, and my build is 06/05.
  • bvcrdbvcrd Member Posts: 196
    Nope, just 3/36 for us '06 guys.
  • unclebubbaunclebubba Member Posts: 80
    I believe my unit was built in June 05. I have to check on that, I have been wrong before (feels a lot like being right!) ;)
  • lakelvrlakelvr Member Posts: 21
    Is there a web site with routine maintenance help for the SRD engine? Pictures, diagrams instructions etc.
  • bvcrdbvcrd Member Posts: 196
    Do you mean CRD?
  • dzlmysterdzlmyster Member Posts: 15
    Check my post #4264 for info on obtaining the CD maintenance manual that covers the CRD 2.8 engine as well as the 3.7 gasser. Apparantly it's a whole lot cheaper than going to your local DC dealer.
    Regards
    Dzlmyster
  • wishfishmorewishfishmore Member Posts: 3
    I've had my liberty for 5 weeks. The last two weeks were spent at the dealers shop, I picked it up yesterday and just sent it back for the same thing. The dealer replaced the oil pressure sending unit and the oil pressure regulator on the first visit. The parts took five working days to arrive damaged and had to be reordered, adding another 3 days in the shop.

    I like the truck and the mileage but I fear I've bought a lemon. Has any body had a similar problem?
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    When I bought my CRD the owners manual was in the left door opening and that's where it's been ever since as it does not fit in the glove box. A full year later I just discovered that there is a small shelf inside of the glove box door above the tilt-out portion of the glove box. It's a snug fit but that's where it goes.

    I know most of you are going ... Duh! Well, I agree with you. Sometimes I wonder how I can function at all.
  • jkinzeljkinzel Member Posts: 735
    I have talked with two different Jeep sales people about the Liberty’s Select Track Full-Time 4WD System and received two different answers. My question was “when in the two wheel drive position, which are the drive wheels?” One told me front, the other told me rear, needless to say I’m confused. :confuse:

    Also, is there a good web site that might explain in depth how the system works.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    When in 2WD, it is a rear drive vehicle.

    Use Full time 4WD for wet/rainy surfaces or on any dry surface where you want extra traction/control. In this mode front and rear wheels can turn at different speeds.

    Use Part Time 4WD in snow, icy, muddy, loose gravel surfaces. Do not use on dry pavement as you will cause the system to bind up. In this mode all wheels turn at the same speed.

    The LO version of 4WD part-time is for really bad situations such as pulling through mud or climbing very steep terrain. It is a pain to get into and out of. The one to two shift is very abrupt.

    Hope this helps.
  • jkinzeljkinzel Member Posts: 735
    Thanks winter2, A Very big help. Now I can go to the dealer and tell him how it works.

    I should be getting paid for this, or at least a commission. :P
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Tell them you want 10% back.

    Glad I could help.

    One maintenance tip. A couple of times a month I run my CRD in full-time mode for several miles. This allows the lubricant to be circulated through the transfer case and other areas that are normally not engaged while in 2WD. My dealer said it was not really necessary but I do it anyway.
  • bvcrdbvcrd Member Posts: 196
    Good tip winter. I also do that as well as kick on the AC on a nice day to lube it up. I don't know if the comp. will kick on if it is too cold out.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I believe that the A/C compressor comes on around 30 F and below when you demand cabin heat or the defroster. I know it cycles in single digit cold.
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    Where did you find the 100000 mi warranty info?
    Mine (build 02/05) doesn't seem to have that shown.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    retmil46: My dealer re flashed the ECU three times and each time it got less fule mileage. (unhappy camper) In an effort to please me, and STAR, they did something that made it so all the computers could be re flashed. That did the trick, and I am consistently at 22 to 23 mpg, and with all the hills and stop and go around the lake everyone says that is real good. I have yet to do a trip on a 4 lane highway. I would hope for 25 or so. I checked on a TSB someone said came out a couple of days ago, and it is for the 3.7 gas.
    I looked at the provent someone installed and posted the pictures. My engine compartment has some other equipment installed where he put the provent. I doubt I have any room if I wanted to put it where he did. Does your engine have enough room?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    towwme: When it was 10FH we did not use the block heater, it started just as usual, and with in a half mile at 25 mph on a dirt road, it was at normal operating temp. If I wanted it to warm up real fast I put two 6"X14" pieces of cardboard in between the grill and the fan. When I pre-warm the engine in less than 5 min. it's warm, but not toast y.
    I get 22mpg average and about 1/3 of the time about 23mpg. How do you do in stop and go?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    alljeep: Have you got your CRD problems worked out? I sure hope so.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    unclebubba: That's when our CRD was built too. So far no problems. I am not a good driver (that's what my wife says any way) and she prays a lot, that's proberly why the CRD works so well.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    wishfishmore: The reality of less than 12 to 16,000 CRD's made so far is parts are slow to come. The engine cones from Italy and so do the parts. That's the price for being one of the first to be smart and buy a diesel.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    siberia: You are not alone in this mistake. I did the same thing. When I found the little glove box spot where it goes I felt like we had just doubled our cubbyhole space!

    Farout
  • towwmetowwme Member Posts: 52
    farout: I have never driven around town more then a few miles (5-10) in any given tankful. I have a 3 block drive to the US33 4-lane which I drive at 1900 RPM (64 MPH) for 12 miles and then I drop back to a 2-lane section at 1700 RPM (57MPH) for 18 miles and then into the parking lot at work. I idle in the lot for 1-2 minutes. On the way home, in cold weather I drive 40-45 for about 3 miles before the temp gauge reads "normal" (it will not shift into overdrive before the gauge reads just below half, thus the lower speed). There is an s-curve (30mph max)in the road here I then start to drive 57mph, 6 miles up the road (a state route) I have a stop sign so I ... Back onto US33 2-lane...its a boring drive. On the way to work I have a warm engine (garage and block heater) so it heats-up in the 3 blocks. On the way home it cold and takes the three miles to get up to tempature.
    I have averaged 23.3 over 10,000 miles. I drive over 300 miles per week all highway. My best tank was when I had 700 miles on the engine; 28.5, I have never seen that again. I track mileage every tankful and the brand. This high tank was BP. Short trips around town I take the wife's Civic. :blush:
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    One maintenance tip. A couple of times a month I run my CRD in full-time mode for several miles. This allows the lubricant to be circulated through the transfer case and other areas that are normally not engaged while in 2WD. My dealer said it was not really necessary but I do it anyway.

    It pains me, Winter2, to say that your dealer is right about this one. The front wheels turn the font driveshaft through the differential turning the bottom chain sprocket in the transfer case. The bottom sprocket and bottom of the chain constantly run semi-submerged in oil when your Jeep is in motion carrying oil to the top sprocket. Also there is an eccentric oil pump that pumps oil from near the bottom of the transfer case up to the main shaft whenever that shaft is turning.

    2-wheel drive in these things only means that the front is disconnected from the rear even though everything in the transfer case still rotates pretty much at the same speed anyway, unless on corners. I rebuilt one of these units some time ago and they are well lubricated and not fragile.

    However, I still do what you say because it just seems like a good idea. On some 4-wheel drives it’s more necessary than others because of all the parts that stop rotating when in 2-wheel drive.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Farout,

    I have been following you fuel mileage discussion and I think you might get a pleasant surprise if you go on a trip in warm weather on straight #2 diesel. If I drive from Osage Beach to Laurie when there is almost no traffic and not too many red lights I get around 25 mpg. When I do the same drive and there is a lot of traffic I am lucky to get 22 mpg. When I drive from Laurie to Sedalia early in the morning or late at night, when I can go with the flow of the hills, 26 to 27 mpg is easy. On the interstate at 65 mph, 29 to 32 mpg is usual on cruise for 100 mile stretches. Catch a tail wind and 32 mpg at 70 mph is realistic.

    The point is I think we are getting the same mileage under the same conditions.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Siberia,

    I am not always right, so do not be in pain. I learn from everyone else in this forum just as you do.

    I tend to over maintain my cars/trucks by habit. I have found that this bit of over maintenace pays for itself down the road in fewer repairs and in fewer breakdowns. One of the other reasons I run in full time 4WD is to remind myself of how differently the CRD handles and reacts as well as responds to inputs from the right foot.

    Your description of how the transfer case is designed and works is welcome. How many miles were on this transfer case that was rebuilt? Why did it require rebuilding?
  • whitgallmanwhitgallman Member Posts: 121
    When I take the engine cover off the little rubber "hats" stay on the male part. (A PITB when you are showing the engine off a lot)
    Towwme, does your handle mean you have your CRD set up to be towed? If so what equipment did you get? What would you get if doing it again? Did an RV center handle adding the tow bar or did you do it? Do you use an auxiliary brak system (a gadget that pushes the Jeep's brake peddle when the RV wants to stop.)
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Winter2, I think the transfer case had around 60-70k miles on it.

    Oddly enough, a well oiled carrier bearing on the front drive shaft output (GC V8) was getting a little loose and making a little noise – radio off, windows down, quiet road. It might have went a long time before it actually failed. I bought a kit that contained all of the big bearings and all of the seals for $108 and just replaced all of those parts.

    I ran it pretty hard in deep gravel in low range once pulling a Suburban out of a ditch. Maybe that did it, maybe not. Anyway, it’s a pretty cheap rebuild if you do it your self and don’t need any of the major parts. Who knows what the previous owner did with it. There was some fine sand in some odd places, like above the rear gas tank shield.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Thanks for the info. The fine sand above the gas tank shield could be from simple road use during the winter and it was never flushed out.

    Parts were cheap enough. Did you get them aftermarket or at the dealer?

    I did not realize the GC was used when you bought it. I refuse to buy a used car because most people tend to abuse what they own and get rid of them just before they start having to put money into them.
  • towwmetowwme Member Posts: 52
    whitgallman: I tow a Aero Cub 21' travel trailer weighting 4400# when loaded. To the top of the A/C it's 9'6" high. I have a Reese load equalizer hitch insert with 600# spring bars. I am going to update the sway control this year. The Aero is less than the max 64 sq-ft frontage limit on the CRD. The CRD pulls the unit down the road very easily at 62mph (1800RPM) in overdrive (5th). I do have electric trailer brakes, the dealer put in the brake controller as a condition of the purchase. I have Jeep's trailer package on mine. It get 15-16 pulling the trailer which was not in my average mileage number. I was pulling this trailer with a Tahoe, but it got 9.6mpg.

    On the "hats" spray them on the inside with white grease and the cover will come off easily and stay on the cover. ;)
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Parts were cheap enough. Did you get them aftermarket or at the dealer?

    Winter2, the parts were aftermarket but looked exactly like OEM. Jeep wanted more than half as much for one bearing and one seal as the entire kit cost. I found the kit while searching for individual parts.

    I think the parts came out of Nevada but my search turned up other locations with prices that ranged from 130-$164. Maybe prices have gone up a little.

    I have heard of these transfer cases going over 200k miles with no problems.
  • skiduckskiduck Member Posts: 49
    Hello siberia, I asked in an earlier post if anyone has put or could put on a set of "lock-out" hubs on the libby to make the front axle disconnected from the transfer case. I have done this on other vehicles and it has worked out well except for having to get out and manually turn the hubs in bad weather. Any ideas?. I was going to contact WARN and ask if they had any hubs, I have used them in the past and been satisfied. I have a 6/05 and have trans-shudder occasionally and this morning I had a delay in the tranny engaging into drive from park and when it did it was a hard thump. I know others have had this problem. Could somebody please list all the TSB's/RRT that apply to the 05 CRD so I can have some info when I schedule an appt at the dealer. I live in Frederick MD and am looking for a good dealership/mechanic. Any help would be appreciated.
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