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My understanding is that there are basically at least 2 types of hub “conversions”. One is the simple conversion where you remove some parts from the auto-locking hubs and install the manual locking device. The advantage of manual locking hubs is that once you locked them in you could go into and out of 4-wheel drive at moderate speed as long as the front wheels were straight and the rear wheels were not slipping. So, you would lock in the front hubs at the beginning of winter and not unlock them until spring, maybe. With the old style auto-locking hubs that did not have syncros in the transfer case, you had to stop to switch to 4 wheel drive. On some or most front hubs they would stay in 4-wheel position when you disengaged the lever unless you backed up. Then, if you were moving again and needed to re-engage the 4-wheel drive you had to stop again. Also, they tended to wear out and fail to engage at all.
The other type of conversion that Warn provides for newer Jeeps, and a lot of different makes, is much more complicated and I don’t think that is what you are talking about. Since ’92, GCs have no such hub. A splined axle simply slips through the bearing assembly that is bolted to the spindle and a large nut locks the front hub and axle together at the bearing. When ever the wheel turns the axel turns whether in or out of 4-wheel drive. The Warn conversion provides front wheel bearings that must be greased and adjusted. The hubs attach to the bearings, the area that was splined on the old axel is smooth on the new axel and it is splined on the very end where it attaches to the Warn manual locking hub assembly.
Now for the Liberty, I didn’t really look that close when I rotated tires by I think it is the same as the GC except the axles are exposed. I’m sure the ends of the axles are bolted solid to the front hubs but I don’t know what the large diameter housing looking things are on the front axles. I think they allow for front suspension articulation. I searched a little and didn’t see a conversion kit for the Liberty. Maybe one exists, I don’t know. Installation of this kit would be a RPITA.
I should have said, "Since at least '92......." as that is the oldest year GC that I have any experience with.
Has anyone heard any facts, rumors or speculation as to the availability of the Liberty CRD in the 2007 model year? Does it meet the 2007 emissions rules?
I ask this based on VW’s, alleged at this point, removal of TDI’s in the 2007 model year.
Also, any 2006 model built prior to January 1, 2006 gets approximately the same update under a different TSB number listed as TSB 18-008-06.
"Improvement to torque converter operation and durability.
Improved glow plug operation and durability.
Improved Security Key Immobilizer (SKIM) system operation to prevent a possible no-start condition when the SKIM module and/or ECM is replaced.
If a vehicle is in for service perform the Repair Procedure."
Farout
Everything seems perfect right now. I'm scheduled for a new TSB on Monday. TSB 18-009-06.
I keep looking at the Jeep build out dates, and there are no restrictions, and usually the last order date in the past has been May, so that is getting closer.
I personally have never seen an add on tv for the Liberty CRD, have you?
Farout
Thanks for the information.
Have I ever seen an add for a CRD? NO. Infact I don't see a lot of adds for Liberty's.
Can't recall if you live on the right or left side of the country. I live in Washington State and the Liberty CRD's seem to move in spurts. One month a dealer will have a few, then gone. A few 05's on the lots three months ago and now they are gone.
Where I live I don’t see a lot of Liberty’s and have never seem a CRD on the road. I do see a few VW TDI’s and a lot of VW gas. A lot of the population is made up of tree hugging transplanted Calif’s and a few from Colorado. Lots of Escalade’s, Suburban’s and Expadition’s, plus a fair amount of Hummers thrown in. They are really doing their part to keep Washington and the Middle East green.
Thanks for the reply.
The parts were in the US and are in the restricted category. They simply were not shipped promptly the first time, shipping was better the second time.
After two weeks the dealer has actually tested the oil pressure and found it does not flucuate when the light and chime come on. I was disapointed they did not verify the pressure before dropping the oil pan to replace the pressure regulator. I guess having an electrical problem is better than the wear that would have been occuring when the oil pressure dropped. The dealer is now telling me I should have the truck back next week, three weeks to fix a problem, I am not impressed.
I really like the truck but I have reservations about this particular Liberty and the level of service from the dealer and Jeep. I am considering filing the Lemon law complaint form in case this goes another week which, sadly, would not surprize me based on what has happened so far.
Around Lake of the Ozarks. we have the same gas conserving Escalade's and Hummers...anything that represents status and a big ego. These are usually the ones towing a 30' boat going 70mph in a 45mph area passing everything, and when going up a two lane hill have 20 cars behind them, totally ignoring the turn off for others to pass. It's funny because a large percent are out of state cars. These are the same who drive with high beams at night, and ride your bumper if you are ahead of them. Most of these come from Kansas or Illinois. We seldom see many California plates. However if those in California ever got wind of how reasonable housing and retirement is here there would be no shore line left. I am glad no one knows but us two.
Farout
THANK,S WHISKY6
You may also want to share that information in the Report Your Local Gas Prices Here discussion.
I recommend turning off your CAPS LOCK since people tend to ignore messages written in ALL CAPS.
tidester, host
I got the towing package too.
I'm looking for someone who has rigged their CRD TO BE TOWED, like behind an RV. If you hear from someone, I'd like to hear from their experiences.
build date 8/05 4,400 mi, no problems.
I have tried to get my wife interested in your area as a place to retire. I don't think I will get her out of San Diego. She says too many bugs. Like we don't have a fair share of creepy critters. We are going to travel that area soon, as I have a cousin in Branson. Sounds beautiful to me.
When you say easy to set up, did you put the Roadmaster hidden mount parts on yourself? or have the RV dealer do it?
Did you have to cut the lower air dam, lower facia or anything?
Did you get an auxiliary brake unit for the Jeep?(The Advantage sends a stop signal to the Jeep's brakes to tell it to help stop.)
What do you do to the steering wheel while towing the Libby? Is the column lock engaged or do you leave the key in it?
Did it take a big investment? like $1500.
Any good web sites where I can get more info?
Jeep drivers accept a little extra cost per mile for a machine that can withstand rugged landscape either because they need to traverse the rugged roads or wish to someday.
Diesel engine owners either have memories or fantasies of truckerhood, appreciate the advantages of diesels over gas engines like the higher torque, the lower vibration frequencies, longevity (unless they had an Olds diesel) or the smell, any one of which can be a side effect of being a mechanical engineer. There is also the visionary personality aspect of the scientifically savvy who knows that making biodiesel is easier than making ethanol fuel and alturistically hope for a cleaner environment or national freedom from OPEC.
While the afore mentioned aspects apply somewhat to this writer, the most important reason for my diesel ownership is that alien spacecraft intent upon abducting human auto occupants for their various genetic experiments and to re program them for the forthcoming planetary invasion, cannot stop the diesel car by interrupting the high voltage spark ignition system as they can gas engined cars. A Diesel Jeep offers the added ability to evade the alien beings by going off road as the roads will be blocked by all the pusilanimous little gray Honda Civics driven by penny pinchers. So if you truly support Family Values, you will protect your family in a Diesel Jeep.
Now is not the time to pinch pennies.
Steve, Host
Farout
I bought my crd so I can melt down the fat from aliens bodies and use them for Alien diesel fuel. Until they land and I can shoot one, I will continue to buy this earth fuel.
Farout
Farout
Steve Host. Not the gray on penny pincher's ancient gray Honda's because their paint has never known car wax. No reflectivity left in the surface!
They have to do something with all these baby boomers that will be passing away in a decade or so...uck!
Not many brands use regular mineral oil anymore. Mobil 5000 mi oil and Exxon Superflos. I think regular Castrol GTX is too.
Castrol is that oil that "frees your engine be what it wants to be". "No other oil gives your car higher horsepower"
Like Red Green says " I am a man, I can change,......if I have to!" well maybe
Farout
I saw a heat test on Castrol, I used to use it until I SAW HOW IT FAILED THE LOW HEAT TEST. I have never had a sludge build up with Mobil....so far anyway.
Farout
Wally World had 0W-40 for $5.50 a quart. I didn't see the 5W-40 M1 at this Wally World.
What is your receipe for supponification of aliens? You have to remember their systems can have copper based or vanadium based blood. The vanadium is OK but don't use the copper based ones as the copper will plate out on the cylinder heads.
Have you read "The Urantia Book"? Check out paper #65 "The Overcontrol of Evolution" See "WWW.Urantia.com"
Like you, I am waiting for warm weather also. I took the front cover off when I changed oil just to look it over. That's when I saw the front diff (allen) drain plug. I didn't look at the rear diff close enough to see if it uses a gasket or sealer. I will put synthetic in both diffs - don't know what brand yet.
Why not try out Wally world ??
save yourself the $$$ 's plus your jeep will perform better.
What I suggest is bring your own oil ,filter ,and 8 mm socket ,for the mechanic.
when your car is ready to go up on the hoist just go there to remind the mechanic not to loose the washer under the plug.
Trust me you'll be a happy camper you did
I do it all the time in the winter when it is too cold out to do my own.I just bring it in to jiffy lube.zip ,zip done...
Here's to hoping you end up with an old european mechanic
well if you don't , at the very least it'll be a converstion piece .
good luck ..
lightnin3
No BP Diesel in Monmouth County and haven't seen any in Ocean either. I find I consistently get better milage with CITGO, compared to Sunoco, Gulf, Mobil and Valero. Another reason for our poor milage (22-23) is the winter blend of diesel we use. Number 2 diesel is mixed with number 1 during the winter months to prevent gelling. Unfortunately number 1 has few BTU/volume than number 2 thereby giving another reason for poorer milage here in the frozen north.
I needed to get rid of two huge trees caught in the weeds and mud since 8 years. This is what I managed to do in 1st Lo gear never revving above 1500 rpm:
This took me about one hour, and the engine wasn't even getting hot.
I've had intermittent tranny shudder until my recent trip to Colorado. The shuddering wasn't consistant but annoying when it did happen. I always let the engine idle for a couple of minutes before driving so I think this theory is incorrect.
Gary (JMO)
Most of these oil changers are young inexperienced $6. an hour poor kids. Unless I see someone old enough to shave I doubt I will give them a chance.
I even had my Neon come out with a loose oil plug, dripping oil where they parked it. I was slightly upset, and asked the tec if this was normal. Then he found he had put in Havoline rather than Mobil. They offered me a free oil change next time if I took it as it was with wrong oil. I said no, as I was not coming back. They dumped the 10-30 and put the Molil 5-30. I have not been back to have them do the work. I think you can see why I am slightly apprehensive.
Farout
Farout