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The Lexus has a softer ride and you can't feel the road as well with it, howerver the Lexus has better value in a few years, based upon past years.
The lowest price I could get for one without nav was 31,600. Same equipped ES330 was 31,000. Seems strange that I could buy the Lexus for 600 less and the MSRP for Lexus was about $1,650 higher. I bought the Lexus for 86.9% of the MSRP.
My Lexus has the following options: Heated Front Seats, HI Head lights, Power rear shade, Mavigation system, CD player with 6 disc changer, Wood steering wheel & shift knob, trunk mat, cargo net and wheel locks.
I found that since this is the end of the month and the end of a calendar quarter the dealer is concerned about selling units to maintain their bonus levels. And, giving some higher discounts makes the total quarter unit sale higher.
So anyone thinking about buying now may be a good time to push for a good deal. The offer mentioned from So Cal at 87.3% of MSRP is another good example Lexus is ready to deal
I agree it is the right time to buy the car but you should see there is a problem with the car which is now being investigated. I wonder if you knew that.
Any comments on the price, which by my calculations is a little better than $2,000 under MSRP?
This is for an out of town dealer that I know reasonably well. In the DC area, there doesn't seem to be much negotiating room on a 6-speed Navi car. Anyone think otherwise?
P.S. Also got a call on a G35 Sedan 6-speed from a dealer I visited last week. They are willing to go below invoice, basd upon some incentives through Infiniti. Unfortunately, I can't seem to warm up to the interior. The TL really is a step or two up. The ES330 mentioned by someone above has a great interior, but is a cure for insomnia to drive. Once a Camry, always a Camry I guess.
oh well.
go ahead and pull the trigger on it. I can live through you vicariously instead.
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Also, wanted to make a point that this car has a 15% to 12% mark up and 3% to 2%, depends on mfgs, is being held back for the dealer, so the invoice that the dealer shows to the customers, show a much higher dealer cost. Most of the time the sales staff isn't allowed to go into this "hold back" area, because the owner/management likes to pull overhead from that 3% and they like to show the higher invoiced amount, which is generally shows a mark up for only 12%. For example the car has a MSRP of say $33,155 and invoice amount is say 9%. The cost that the dealer will show the sales staff and the public is $30,171.
Lexus and MBZ will have 15% markup on the higher end models, but generally not on the highly competitive models like the C class, where it's probably down to 12%. Same is true for generally speaking all car mfgs, they could have low mark up on very competitive cars as low as 10% with only a 2% hold back.
does the buyer buy them and bring them in?
one person said, that they (the buyer) had to only pay the difference. so then, how much are the EL42s worth?
will they do the balance and alignment?
please clarify. thx
gbrozen, I'd probably hold off on a new SUV until the fall or later. I'm hoping the Pilot gets the TL navigation system for 2005. Murphy's law states that if I get a TL now, our Trooper will die next month, but I may be willing to take my chances.
P.S. Your wife's preference for a new house is a smart one.
I have not been able to find the dealers that you are speaking of. Which dealer is giving 2k off MSRP. I am ready to purchase a TL. I was trying to sell my Lexus on the street but I have not had any luck. So I am just going to trade it in. I just can't wait any longer. If I can get the TL for 2k under MSRP, it will make me feel a whole lot better.
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were willing to deliver the new tires to the dealer and then I was to bring back the originals. They list the EL42s for $255 per ($169 at TireRack). They list the LS-Z for $291 ($216 at TireRack). The swap total will be $435.76 + tax. If I decide to do the swap I will have the Acura dealer mount and balance.
This is a spammer... On another forum he was telling about what a good deal he got at a Knoxville dealership.... Want to bet they are owned by the same company??
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just curious.
Thanks.
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I live in N. Jersey and worked with Montclair Acura. They talked me out of a NAV. model since they said it would take a month to get one in and they were only will to come down to $34,195. But, they were willing to come down to $31,195 on non-Nav.
I called Motorwold in Wilkes Barre PA and they gave me a quote of $31,000 for Non-Nav and $33,000 for Nav. over the phone. I went there to test drive and they had the exact Nav. I wanted (Anthracite /Ebony) which was the only Nav. on the lot. I was ready to ask for all-season mats, trunk tray & wheel locks, when they offered them up without negotiating. I also needed to pay $50 for a temp. license to get it to Jersey and they threw that in.
Seems like a good deal. I pick it up tomorrow, so I'll let you know if these numbers change
flipper6, negotiating from MSRP or dealer's cost is an individual choice. Not suggesting one way or another but I know that I never like it when someone is lying to me and showing me a Factory Invoice and claiming it's their true cost and deny that they have a "hold back." As for me, I have purchased several cars below the invoice that they have shown me. It's certainly not true invoice that they pay the mfg. but enough to satisfy curious eyes who do not know the car business. Again not suggesting that it's good or bad but it's helped me.
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I called Tustin and spoke to a salesman. The first thing that he said was, let's cut to the chase what have you been offered and what are you looking for. I told him that I was coming from S.D. and that I have been offered 32k from a broker. That I was looking to pay 31k. He said, well you know brokers add 500 to a 1000 dollars on top of what they offer. That he could give it to me for 31,500. That it did not come with mud guards or wheel locks, that was an extra 499. Which puts me right back at 32,000, the same price that I am getting from the broker. Which includes locks and guards. I'll give the other dealer a call Monday.
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My quote from the dealer included the mud flaps, the dealers shipping charges, etc. and yes it was 2k under the MSRP. It could be that at the beginning of the week it was close to the end of the month vs. today, the beginning of the new month? Who knows?
I find it amusing that some TL owners are really into performance and don't mind the expense of pricey break pads, rotors, tires and other performance items, especially from a "Entry Level Luxury" car. I doubt you would see that from a Lexus LS owner or a Cadillac Sedan De Ville owner. Also interesting to see how the Audi A4 owners evaluate there care to the TL.
I myself have put the TL high on my shopping list which incluses the 330i, 5-series and (on the non-performance front) 2005 E320 CDI. Although the TL is FWD and, as such, will never handle quite as good as the leading RWD sport sedans, it isn't far behind, based upon my test drives. And it's leagues above Lexus.
Had BMW not botched up the 5-series redesign, that absolutely would have been my top choice. I remotely considered the GS430, notwithstanding the automatic only transmission, but then was further disspointed in the drive. My current Maxima has less body roll. Too bad, because I do credit Lexus with one of the best interiors in the business.
The TL is no 330i Performance, but as far as FWD entry level luxury sedans, it appears to be above the rest. And combined with Acura relaibility and build quality and the exceptional navigation system and bluetooth phone, it's an impressive package.
I'm curious. I think the Euro/Dollar exchange rate has effectively priced the 530 out of the market; I'm wondering what your take on that is. In other words, I think it's less about the redesign and more about the price for the 5.
yes, I agree if they have free maint. and money weren't an issue, they may be the great car to own.
This TL does have 270 hp while getting 28 mpg and quite good 0-60 and 1/4 mi time. Very impressive, while probably giving few major problems breakdown to 150 to 200k miles.
Regarding the 5-series, it really is the styling and the damn i-Drive system taht ruin it. I could have bought a 2003 530i sport for about $42k through European Delivery. The 2004 model, although more expensive, can still be purchased at about $45k through ED (discounted to $1,500 over the ED invoice). However, it was a big step backwards in style and aesthetics for me (highly subjective, I know). While I can forgive a few design quirks in a $32k car, the closer I get to $50k, the less forgiving I become.
The E320 CDI is the value contender for me. At about $49k well equiped (again, through ED), I could justify that $16k difference over the TL. Except that I don't have as much confidence in Mercedes build quality as their past diesel reputation suggests. I have several friends who put 200k+ miles on old Mercedes diesels and not only did the car hold up well mechanically, it still looked and felt like a Mercedes at the end of its life. The current E-class, although a great looking car in my opinion, has a more checkered reputation with respect to reliability. And, while I'm griping, the Acura TL navigation system and hands free bluetooth phone system are 3 rungs up the ladder from Mercedes.
So for me it comes down to value. Is my Honda S2000 for $32k as good of a sports car as the $60k Boxster S I also considered. No, but it's not $28k under the Boxster in performance and it's ahead on the no hassle turn the key and go factor. And, although I care about aesthetics, I don't care (much) about prestige.
I sincerely believe the Acura TL is the best $31-33k bang for the buck out there. And by enough of a margin, that it has made me rethink the E320 CDI that I've been waiting for for the past 18 months.
That said, I couldn't see the relative value, comparing a 325xi to a TL, let alone a 5 series.
Six months ago, I recall that a 5 Series BMW (nicely equipped) could be had for $43k, which was also a great buy, if you do not mind BMW's less than stellar reliability record. BMW and MB certainly have "prestige" appeal, but I value reliability much more than snob value :-)
This discussion is the place for folks to share their purchase experiences and the price they negotiated - other conversation belongs in our more general discussions which can easily be located with the search features on the left side of the page.
Here are links to the very appropriate discussions dtate99 mentioned: Acura TL and BMW 3-Series vs Acura TL 2004.
Let's continue debating these thoughts in one or both of those discussions ...
Is that what you're implying, that they wanted to do the financing or they wouldn't give you that price?
What do you think?
If without navi, not so great price. And, by the way, the dealer pays the same for the manual and auto, so the price negotiations should be the same.
Look back through this message board over the last month to get an idea of what a good price is; it may depend on what area of the country you are in, so pay attention to that, too.
Right, no NAV.
$31,700 >> not so great price...
So, what do you think is a good price?
I've looked at the past post to compare.
As another reference, Edmunds "TMV" shows a $32,314 without any regional or color adjustment including destination. So, as a starting point, I thought I should at least beat this. I think with adjustments I'll be able to cut a deal that is about $1000 less.
I've been going around with 5 dealerships. Four of them seem to be sharing allocation. Another is out of the area. One dealer would not come down from $32,600. Another stopped at $32,200. The others are still in the running.
Even though the dealer pays the same price for an auto or a 6 speed the price they are willing to sell each at might differ based on the demand in that local area. If the six speeds are in short supply they will likely go for more. If the auto's are in short supply they will likely go for more. This is true with the nav vs. non nav. The dealers are consistently making better deals on non navs rather than the navs. Dealer cost only partially determines the selling price.
In a nutshell, the 2005 RL Nav system has real-time traffic info via XM satellite. WOW!!! I've been waiting my whole life for this.
I phoned Acura Customer Service today; the rep said the 2004 TL Nav system is not upgradeable to this technology. There is no info at this time as to whether this will migrate to the 2005 TL.
Bummer, dude! But should make for some killer deals on the now-obsolescent 2004 TL Navs.