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maybe i will be paying too much.
MSRP - 34,000
im looking at a 05 TL w/o navi
MF 0.00240
36 month lease/no money down
$490 monthly
what is your cost post tax?
any thoughts?
My advise for you would be:
1. Always deal with internet sales rep. This means you need to do some online dealings, get some quotes, and emailing back and forth. This is definitely worth of your time. I find that a lot of dealers are not willing to give you a quote through email. Most would call you and ask you to come in. Tell them that you would come in if they give you a quote first. The whole point is to compare and shop and get them to play price war. you can't play the game without a quote. This process should shave $1500 off MSRP easy and hopefully more!
2. Read www.carbuyingtips.com before you step into a dealership to buy a car. Knowledge is a powerful tool. I felt a lot more comfortable and confident about how I'll deal with the dealer after reading it.
3. Don't pay more than 500 something over invoice for the TL. That's how much I paid for my TL with Nav and I bought it with my first visit to a dealership(after many hours of research at home of course). I bought mine at Los Getos Acura. The internet sales over there is very nice and very pleasent to work with.
Please don't believe that we have low supply of cars in the Bay Area. There are 7,8 dealerships in the area, and I believe new cars are shipped to them often. Just be patient with your research, take your best quote to a nearest dealer and have them beat your quote. If they can't, go to next nearest dealer. There are plenty of dealerships to go to and they hate to see you leave, seriously!!
Anyway, I hope this help and best of luck.
carbuyingtips.com is a great site!
Since I have had to wait 3 months for my car and I have read so many complaints about vehicle vibration, I am beginning to reconsider buying TL at all!
How many miles on yours? Any vibration?
'05 owner here. No vibration issues. "So many complaints..." or just so many complaints from a few posters on Edmunds? How many '04 & '05 TLs have been sold to date and how many of those owners have NOT complained (or experienced) of vibration?
I don't doubt some owners have an issue and that is a shame as the TL is a fine piece of work. I don't think I've read one negative review of the TL (other than the fact it is FWD!) from any publication. Edmunds names it best in class, Motor Trend (or was it R & T?) just did a glowing long term update of their '04 with no mention of vibration.
I'm not thrilled with the Bridgestone tires, but that's about it for my complaints. Have you driven an '05 and noted the vibration issue?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Please take the conversation about tires/vibration to the Acura TL Problems & Solutions discussion. You'll find there is plenty of posting going on there about this issue.
First time to post. I need to advice. We defnitely want a TL, and much prefer the new body style. We were offered a 5 year lease on a new one locally for $369 month (ninclud tax and $2500 down on non-navi) but turned it down because lease was too long.
I have found a 2004 TL at a local dealer that has 7000 miles on it and it is on their used lot. They are asking $29,995. However, when I got serious with the salesman, he showed me something that shocked me. They have had the car out for sale since October! They got 5 of them that were 'loaners' with low mileage and have sold all but the one. He says he thinks it is because it is gold with parchment interior. It is in perfect condition except that there is a deep paint chip (about 3/16" around) right on top of the passenger door handle. The salesman told me that he thinks that if I offered them $27,000, they would take it because he said they have $28,000 in the car, and they might be willing to take the loss in order to roll the money over into something else that will move. The only other thing I noticed was that the engine, when I start it, isn't running quite a smoothly as it should be - it has what sounds like a minor intermittent 'skip a beat' (miss). When I try revving it up, it seems to hesitate slightly - this is compared to the 2002's and 2003's I have tested on the same lot that are all very smooth.
I am very tempted to buy it if I can get it for $27,000. But, I would want the sale conditioned on them getting the engine smoothed out. Do you think I should also ask them to replace the door handle? (they are selling it at at loss, they say, at $27,000).
This would be stretching our budget, and we'd have to put down $9000 to get the payment down where we would want it ($375 at 4.5% at credit union).
What do you guys/gals think of the gold color with the matching parchment interior? I always preferred a contrasting interior color, but for this price maybe I shouldn't pass it up.
How long will it be before there are more clean 2004's for sale for around $25,000 do you think?
Also, I am too tall and shoulders broad to consier a TSX. My wife says that when I am sitting in it, I look like a guy wearing a sport coat that is 2 sizes too small! I'm 6'4" and 230 lbs.
Also, I don't understand why the money factor on leasing a TL is so much higher than say for a Honda Accord. I have 3 Honda dealerships all willing to lease me an Accord EX V6 Auto Leather for 3 years for $273/m with $2500 down and $199/m for an LX. I don't understand why I can't 3 year lease a TL for around $335-$345? Anyone know why not?
DOWN - $2500 cap reduction plus tax plus first month's lease and waiver of security deposit.
TERMS - $350/month with 12,000 miles per year.
They did not tell me what the residual would be and I forgot to ask.
Is this a 'slick deal'? Need to know if I should go for $340?
I've been shopping for an '05 TL and have been all through the various TL boards. I would highly recommend that you visit the "owners problems and solutions" board. Being the first year of a redesign the '04s have had a few issues (vibration, tranny, leather seats). Personally, I would stay away from an '04 unless I was buying it from someone I knew and trusted.
I take it that the car you are looking at does not have navigation system. Kelly Blue Book has a trade in of just under $28, so $27 is a good price. I've gotten quotes on '05s for $31.2 (auto, splash guards, wheel locks, all season mats and dealer fees). I realize the price differential is pretty high, but the '05s do not seem to have the issues evident in the '04s.
Check out the board above before making a decision and make sure you drive the car. Definitely have them repair the door handle too.
Good luck.
I've been negotiating with 4 different dealers and the best deal I received was $33,750.00
How does this deal sound to you? I'd welcome any thoughts. Thanks for your help!!
There is no cap cost reduction.
The only additional charge would be DMV fees.
They have come down to 394(total) with 2500 out of pocket for 42 mos. 12k per year.
I'd love to know who quoted you the other numbers..i'd be in!!
Rally by far seems like they have the best deal.. 27 months is perfect imo.
- I have to read the carbuyingtips site, and then go in this week.
-How much does termination fees range from?
-How much are you guys paying? Do dealers always give out loaners if your car goes into service?
-Does it matter how much the car price really is at the end of the lease.. since you are turning it in and not buying it. ( I assume lower monthly = higher turn in value)
-What kind of tires should I ask for if bridgestone is not good??
-How many miles is acceptable on the new car? 20? 30? ...?
Thanks
thanks
here's the damage:
sales price w/out ttl= $31,470 (2k off sticker)
money factor = .0037
residual = 49%
term = 48 months
miles = 15k per year
monthly payment = 528.17 per month (includes tax)
my questions are....
- do you think i have any recourse given that the finance manager looked me right in the eye and lied to me re: flexibility on lease terms through honda financial (i have the wife as a witness, but obviously nothing in writing)?
- do you know what american honda finance's money factor was for the '05 non-navi tl on january 22, 2005?
any other comments re: places you feel i may have been gouged are appreciated.
thanks in advance.
signed,
stupid
I recently test-drove a new '05 TL w/Nav, and when asked if they could work some numbers up for me, I said sure.
Here's what I was offered:
MSRP = 35,670 + 619 for rear spoiler = 36,289
My Price = 34,427 + T.T.L.
36/36 Lease, residual = 21,222.30
Nothing but drive-off down (1st months and DMV blah blah blah) = 1000
Monthly Payment = 656
They then asked what I thought about these numbers, and I said they look like a good starting point.
I came back here, and have roughly figured out that the money factor for this lease must be somewhere right around .004075, or 9.78% APR!!!!
I need help, as I'm so irked and insulted I'm not exactly sure how to respond!
So, I wrote some emails to the dealers in Orange County and Los Angeles. I got good emails back from Keyes, and Tustin, and eventually purchased from CERRITOS ACURA.
I purchased an Acura TL w/o Navi. Anthracite Metallic with Quartz interior. I got the Body Side Molding included for the total price of the vehicle. I also got the splash guards, trunk tray, and wheel locks. This was a CASH DEAL!
Cost of Vehicle: 31,624.84
Doc fee: 45.00
Sales Tax: 2454.41
License Fee: 267.00
Tires: 8.75
TOTAL: 34,400.00
I was very happy with the service I got from the Internet Sales Manager and the rest of the staff at the CERRITOS dealership. I have to go back to get the Body Side Molding installed, and to also pick up the truck tray that was never placed in the trunk. I don't expect it to be a problem. If there is one, I'll post it.
So, if you are in the San Diego Market, leave town. Go get yourself a better deal.
27 month/ $459, ( tax rolled in )
due at signing 1st month dmv + bankfee total damage about ~1700
I'm trying to neg the bankfee of 1050 down to at least 500...then try to push up the residual value up as high as possible to bring down monthly. If I can get them to come down to 429/month ( based on 32,900 neg'ated price) and increase residuals..I will be very happy.
Good luck guys. I will report back if I can close on this deal.
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Having never bought a car in another state before, are there any "gotchas" or things to look out for? It would appear that I just buy the car like anyone else, but when they're writing up the paperwork I just inform them I'm from WI and they skip the tax, title and license part?
Then when I come back to WI, I let the DMV know I bought a new car so I can get it registered. I then pay sales tax based on my home ZIP, as if I bought it down the street? That's where I'm a little confused.
Any words of wisdom?
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I 'am in the market for a 2005 TL (black, auto & non-navi). Can you tell me what kind of TL you got from continental acura and what price did you pay. I would like to purchase my TL this weekend and I live in NW suburbs of chicago.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks
Which dealership did you deal with? Thanks.
I have a lease in works.
Details:
MSRP 33,670
Negotiated price 31,000
MF 0.0025
36 months
12k/year
60% residual
0 down
465/month
This includes acquisition fee of $595, which I was told is non-negotiable
anyone have any thoughts? is the acquisition fee non-negotiable? is the MF negotiable at all.
is this a good deal?
appreciate any input.
No cap cost reduction
Upfront = bank fee 950, 1st month, plates
Tax rolled in to monthly lease payment = $479
27 month lease thru Han financing
400 termination fee
The above #s are solid and only thing we're talking about now is wheel locks and mats being thrown in. After talking to 2 other dealers..this 3rd is so easy and straight forward( dealing directly with the general manager of the place - really cool guy)
What dealer was offering this deal? I'm up in Dallas and have just started my TL search. McDavid told me the best they'd do for a 3.2TL (in stock mind you so I don't know if I'd even get my color) w/o navi was $31800. I suggested $31k as nice meeting point and then I was going to discuss leasing but internet mgr said $31800 was best and final.
There's lots of Acura dealerships here in the DFW area. Send emails to the internet managers at several and see if you get a better bid.
Best wishes.
I would bet that you Acura dealer you are considering has done it many times.
What Acura dealer gave you this price. Sounds like a pretty reasonable price for the Pittsburgh area!
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