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As a follow-up to my previous post, I finalized my purchase with Keyes Van Nuys today. $32,000 purchase price, $34,717 OTD for a 2005 TL Automatic with Nav, splash guards and wheel locks.
I would echo more recent posts that the inventory of 2005 TL's with Navigation might be shrinking. Today, SM and Glendale both indicated their Nav supply was getting low. The specific color combinations that I wanted at Glendale apparently sold this morning - based on a phone call with the rep (though I did not actually visit the dealership). The inventory at Keyes for specific color combinations is also limited, and they indicated they do not expect further deliveries of 2005 models. They also told me they don't trade (buy?) vehicles from other dealerships. In the first response from SM, they said they'd do that, but I can't confirm if they would or not since I didn't pursue a purchase with them.
Interestingly, I overheard a separate sales conversation with another customer. It definetely sounds as though SM and Glendale are up against Keyes for the best pricing. Keyes own personnel mentioned both of those dealership by name in a price negotiation.
Agree with other posters... this is a great forum for helping folks make informed purchases.
Thanks for your co-operation and understanding...
regards,
kyfdx
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The one dealer that I spoke with said he didn't know anything about these yet, but that could have been because he seemed to like very concise emails. It would be hard to answer these questions in less than five words.
Thanks again.
Kurt
i am shopping for a car and my calculations are not coming out right.
so i figured i will try to make this simple....
are there anyone paying around 430/month for this car on 36month, 12k, with 0 down.
is this even possible???
Does these finance numbers look right?
How can I negotiate for lower payments?
Quote $31,700, the OTD price is $34,641.71
Finance for 48mo 3.9% with $5000 down, my payments will be $671mo. or
60mo at 4.9% w/$5000 down payments will be $558mo. I live in LA County.
If you can swing the payment, go for 48 months.. You'll save $1400 in interest over the life of the loan..
Is the $31,700 for a TL with NAV? or without NAV?
If it is without NAV, the price is too high.
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Thanks.
Basically from observation...currently the 'better' pricing is up in Northern LA.
What you really need to do is to concentrate on working out a deal BEFORE visiting the dealership for delivery. That way a decision can be made on whether it is worth the additional drive of 1 hour to Northern LA from Orange County can be made. Possible that the two hour round trip drive is worth $1,000. And remember...you never have to visit that dealer again as you would have your car serviced in San Diego near your home.
I hope that others will also help out on this board who benefitted from the forum....as my shelf life is soon to expire. I am long in the tooth as I bought my car in June.
Glad I could help others.
More pricing research in San Diego, hopefull to avoid the drive, revealed more of what was written. The OTD price would be about $1500 more than in upper LA, well justifying the drive. The Temecula dealership won't compete with LA pricing either.
I spoke with one of the managers for ten minutes about this price difference and he couldn't understand how the dealers make money selling 2005 TLs as they do. He said that as they sell them, for $1500 more than LA, he only makes $100. I realize there is a volume payment at the end of the quarter or month. Maybe the ownership arrangement puts more money in the owners pockets and the salespeople have to sell at a higher price???? We may never know.
Thanks again to all. I will continue working to get my car this week and once I do I will post the information.
Yeah...I am not sure how they make money also...(does anyone know?). Perhaps as they are trying to get a higher allocation of cars...blowing high volume of 2005s in preparation of getting more 2006 early in the year? However...as a consumer...I will take it any day.
Bigger question is how would any rational buyer continue to buy in the San Diego market and pay $1,500 to $2,000 more!
Kurtp...glad I was able to assist. Any day. Enjoy the TL (what color combo did you get?)
A concern of mine if I get dropped off in LA to get the car is the old bait-and-switch, so I will get as much assurance that the car will be there at the price discussed as possible. Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Here is a way to gain higher confidence that the car will be there. Ask them to send you a .pdf or fax of the window sticker and ask for the VIN# (which will also be on the sticker)....with a written summary of the exact negotiated deal.
kurtp - my reccomendation is that you get the dealer to send an email basically confirming all of the negotiated details, then print out a copy, they may be reluctant to give you the vin# as I tried that but they said "the car may not be on the lot when you come" - another reccomendation to get the car is perhaps take the surfliner (amtrak) up to la - then perhaps metrolink or a taxi ... good luck
I agree with utc2. Absolutely get them to send you an email with the exact car, VIN#, and prices, including TT&L. Tell them that you will be bringing a check with the exact amount listed on their email, so they can't try to add anything afterwards (it amy also make them less likely to send you to the F&A guy for the "riot act"). Some dealerships will actually Fedex the true purchase papers/contract if you live far away and want it "sealed" before flying in...
Good luck!
Drove it back to NorCal last night... what a sweet ride! and it averaged 31 mpg for the first tank!!! :shades:
Thanks for everyone for providing helpful info and insight (delmar1, you sure exceeded the shelf life here, kudos to you!). This forum concept is really working, keep up all the good works, folks!
Just wanted to share my experience, although not complete yet. I just worked out a deal for the car I want at Sierra Acura, through their Ineternet Sales Manager. Ths price was $32150 with protection package, but the deal is that it won't be in stock until 9/23/2005. This leaves me in a tough spot, as if the car doesn't come in, it will be too late to get the white car I want.
I have a written guarantee for this price through the month of September, even though he can't give me a VIN until he gets it next week. If the car was to arrive in October, he wouldn't be able to honor this price.
The pre-buying experience was great with Sierra and I am hoping that the buying experience is just as wonderful. If things go South, I will certainly post the experience.
Thanks to all.
I have a written offer for '05 TL (no NAVI, protection pkg=yes) at 32,470. Was wondering just how good that deal really is? Comments welcom.
Told another lady I loved her this weekend. I couldn't help myself. She was stunning. With respect to her privacy, I'll just mention her initials; T.L.
She is a Nighthawk Black Pearl, Camel interior, automatic with navigation dream lady.
Picked her up yesterday at Gillman Acura in Houston and she's worth every penny. Smooth to the touch, exquisite to look at, and best of all, when you ask her to perform, she performs with the willingness and purpose of a woman who has just been proposed to.
Okay, before everyone thinks that I'm either crazy or sexually deprived, the answer is neither. Just trying to quell the euphoria of new car ownership.
I live in Lafayette La, and drove to Houston to pick up the car. It is approx. 4 hours away. I paid $33495.00 plus $479.00 for the deck lid spoiler. OTD was about $37000.00, which includes 8% tax, title and license. They included wheel locks, trunk tray and splash guards.
Now before anybody tells me that it seems a bit pricey, please take the following into account. Prices in Louisiana are not the cheapest and for Houston I got a very decent price. But what made me choose Gillman Acura, was the fact that they were extremely reliable, courteous, punctual with regards to returning e-mails and calls AND were one of the few dealerships that would search for, pick up and deliver the TL to their dealership at no cost to me. The NBP/CAMEL/NAVI combo is difficult to come by and eventually, UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, service received
outweighs the price of the product. The whole transaction went smoothly with no pressure and T.C. went out of his way to accomodate me, even answering my questions on Sunday.
Well, it goes without saying, that everybody's help on this forum has been invaluable. Thanks!
Enjoy!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I was able to get a definitive price on my trades in the past. Go to www.kbb.com to get the Kelly Blue Book prices... I was able to get the 'excellent' trade value in all my dealings.
I guess BR has a new building to pay for. They will prob. get snootier because they will be the only game in town for a while. I was hoping for around $33k.
$35365 with deck lid spoiler, trunk tray, wheel locks, and mud guards. This INCLUDES destination. Said there was no doc. fee or dealer prep fee. This price is EXCLUDING TT&L.
The other quote was essentially the same. It was $34990 with deck lid spoiler EXCLUDING TT&L. The reason I say the same is because no mention was made of trunk tray etc, for which they normally charge approx. $345.00.
These quotes were from two different people at Acura BR. Please keep in mind that I never negotiated at all with them due to the fact that the hurricane hit at the exact time I was thinking of purchasing. Personally, I don't think they will go as low as Texas numbers.
Walker Acura contacted me, asked me a few questions and never got back to me.
Classic Acura price was $33795 plus 479 for spoiler, which was $300 more than Gillman and they wanted to charge me $400 to transport the car to their dealership. The car was in Austin so I could kind of understand the cost involved.
Vandergriff Acura in Arlington Texas had a good price. It was around $32555 WITH navigation but it was a little too far to travel and they didn't have the combo I wanted. Also would not get the car I wanted for me.
Sterling McCall were extremely nice and I think their price was also around $33795 but never had my choice of colors.
Achenator, I hope this helps, and I also want you to know that I am far from being an aggressive negotiator. You can most certainly do better than I did, but the timing was good for me and other than the occasional pang of buyer's remorse, I'm happy with my purchase.
Good luck.
and I was just curious as to what BR had offered. I would rather pay a few hundred more or go a little farther to get what I want as you did. I know time is running out for preferred colors. As I live on the northshore of Lake Ponchartrain I could prolly go east to Mobile or north to Jackson,Birmingham or Memphis. Thanks again and enjoy your TL.
Thanks.
Kurt
Now...I wouldn't get the exact price...but would get a very firm understanding of their ability to discuss trade-ins at a reasonable price.
Or maybe I am just lucky in getting trade-in bids.
I just ordered one from the internet. Hope it's a match.
Time to enjoy my new TL and not to worry about trade-in for many years to come! :shades:
I drove my new 2005 TL w/ Nav blk on blk home yesterday, it is a great car. When I picked it up the car only had 7 miles on it. There was another person pick up a new TL to that the sales person was showing all the in & outs too. Once the dealer finished with her, then he should me everything about my car. I was right about the price sticker being $35,715.00 on this car it was more than the other cars on the lot. The destination was $615.00, all the other TL destination charge was $570, so I don't know why this one was more. Also when I was driving it home yesterday on the freeway I notice the ride being a little hard, vibrating, and the back being bounce. Can this be from being new? But I still love this car.
I will probably end up buying a $30 one-way Southwest Airline ticket to Baltimore and buy up there to save a grand or so - go up on business anyway and the drive back doesn't bother me.
Anyone have any luck in the Greater DC/Baltimore area?