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2013 and earlier-Subaru Forester Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • mnfmnf Spokane WaPosts: 405
    I am in the pacific northwest and am looking for some leads on pricing on a forester xs Prm PKG. In the past i have purchased my cars and trucks up to 350 miles away in the past to get my deals so i am open to travel.I know the Portland /Seattle well and all inland.Looking to change from a Honda car and get in to a subaru so any help would help... Thanks Matt.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    I recommend the Internet Sales Manager at Carr Subaru in Beaverton, just west of Portland.
  • Sep,

    I bought my '03 Forester XS from Bob Baker Subaru in El Cajon in October 2002. Got lazy and purchased it through the Costco Auto Program. Price at that time was fixed at $500 over factory invoice. I dealt only with the fleet sales manager, primarily via phone and fax. Didn't meet him until I went to the dealership to sign the papers and pick up the Forester. It was the most positive, stress-free, auto purchase I've experienced.

    I only recently learned that Rancho Auto Group acquired Balboa Auto Center. The first notice I had that something was up was after I logged in to mysubauru.com and noticed that Balboa Subaru was no longer listed among the dealers. The reports I've read about Rancho Subaru are much different than what I experienced at Balboa Subaru. I bought my wife's '01 Forester S from Balboa Subaru and paid $376 over factory invoice after haggling with the salesman. Their service department did well the two times we took the car in for regular maintenance. I hope Rancho doesn't scare off any more Subaru owners or potential buyers.

    Cheers,

    Lowell
  • I'd agree with ateixeira: If you count beans XT will disappoint. But if you don't mind spending a few hundred bucks a year extra for LOADS of smiles, the XT is the way to go. If you want the moonroof go for the premium auto tranny. Even if you think you wouldn't drive an AT performance car, try THIS one! It is usually faster off the line than the XT MT and gets better gas mileage! The moonroof is fantastic and the leather seats will look way better than cloth years from now and are VERY comfortable.

       If you can't do at least an invoice deal, now, you're not really trying! Also, if you get the CHASE SUBARU credit card you'll get 3% off all your card spending, getting "Subaru Bucks" for Subaru service/parts/etc. This should easily make up the difference in gas costs between XT and lesser Foresters. I just got $500 in "Suby Bucks" for some bonds I bought online..... They are good until Jan. 2008. Better than a Warranty extension !!!!

       I have absolutely no regrets with my AT XT. AND I'm "only" getting 18-19 mpg in my mostly city driving.... I KNEW I'd be spending a few hundred bucks more a year with XT and, going into it with that knowledge, does not lead to disappointment -- IF you want the fun and performance that you get with XT. It's like why I buy leather seating. I'm going to be sitting in that seat for many many years (I keep cars 10+ years). I wouldn't buy a cheap chair for my living room, so why should I "suffer" in my car. The extra money, averaged over a 10+ year period doesn't amount to much at all (and even less when you get more for the car when you sell one that doesn't have ratty worn cloth seating). The leather seats in the 12 year old Explorer I just sold looked like new ones!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Try fitzmall.com if you're close to DC. Van Bortel also has no-haggle pricing in the NY area IIRC.

    The Chase card is great, I gotta apply. The dealer let us put $3000 on credit when we bought the Legacy, so that would have been $90 right there. That would cover the first four oil changes already.

    -juice
  • I'm with Bob on those Subuaru Bucks. I've got a stash of them, too. Nice to have 'em on hand to pay for service and whatever else might come up.

    Cheers,

    Lowell
  • sep_sep_ Posts: 4
    Lowell,

    Unfortunately it sounds like an entirely different dealership from the one you experienced. I knew that a Forester was the right car for me though so Rancho didn't succeed in scaring me off entirely. I used the car buying program that my credit union offered. I'm sure I could have haggled a slightly lower price but the price they came back with was fair and since I picked up my car at the credit union this afternoon, I didn't need to set foot in the dealership. At this point in my life I've begun to place a greater premium on my time and the couple hundred that I could have negotiated down wasn't worth the hassle.

    cheers,
    Sep
  • I am looking around for an '04 Forester XT Prem Automatic. Any suggestions/past experiences/prices with subbie dealers in the Washington, D.C./Northern Va area?

    I'm wondering also if all these prices people keep quoting on this list as their our of door price include taxes, processing, etc.?

    Also, has anyone heard that black is a harder color to resell?

    Thanks-any input would be much appreciated!
    -ninster
  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    www.fitzmall.com is a long time favorite pricing- wise on these boards. They're in suburban Md. but still close from No. Va. You'll get a price right on the site--and a good one.

    Usually, in my experience, out the door quotes by posters here don't include taxes and frequently don't include "processing fees" (i.e., additional dealer profit), which can be a hefty add-on in No. Va.

    Black tends to be a color that polarizes opinions.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Nina- The Fitzmall chain has some of the best prices around in the DC metro area (or any other area for that matter). I've heard that they offer a nice no-haggle buying experience also.

    Prices quoted are almost always based off the invoice plus options and destination fee. Taxes, tag and title fees vary too widely from state to state (or even county to county) to be of any use for comparison purposes. The same is true for dealer processing fees although you should count them as part of the dealer's profit margin and adjust your offering price accordingly.

    No I haven't heard that black is a harder color to resell (although it's certainly harder to keep clean!). Edmunds' used car price calculator does take color into account and it varies by area so you can check and see if black is a plus, a minus or a wash in your area.

    -Frank P.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    I'm wondering also if all these prices people keep quoting on this list as their our of door price include taxes, processing, etc.?

    My 5-speed XT, including two Premium Packages plus the column-mount boost gauge plus $100 over dealer invoice, cost $23,973. All I had to add was Oregon's license fee, about $30 or so. There were no additional taxes or phony document-processing fees. That latter item is a tacked-on profit item that I would not tolerate from any car dealer, anywhere.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Hey Jack- Count yourself lucky when it comes to taxes! I had to pay 7%!!!

    -Frank P.
    <Contemplating a move to Oregon or New Hampshire>
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    On the other hand, we have one of the nation's highest income-tax rates - for residents of Multnomah County (which now has its own income tax), the rate is pushing 10% on all income above about $3K. I also pay nearly $8 grand per year just for real estate tax. I'm seriously considering a move across the Columbia River to Washington.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    on 8k of property taxes being high.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Jack- Okay New Hampshire it is (they've no income tax either). Hmmm, I've always liked New England and my XT would feel right at home :-)

    -Frank P.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    Don't laugh too hard, Swampy. Yours is the other state (besides mine) where legislators are unalterably convinced that the citizens are obviously too stupid to possibly be able to safely pump their own gas. Minimum-wage conscripts can obviously do it sooo much more safely.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    Hmmm, I've always liked New England

    Is Connecticut "New England"? I'm still trying to warm up from four winters at New London 35 years ago.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Is Connecticut "New England"?

    Why yes it is. Although I dare say your present weather isn't much better! Not to get technical but I would have thought you were in Groton?

    -Frank P.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    Blame the Navy. Their official abbreviation for the location of the submarine base is NLON. I typed that so many times on so many transfer orders that it became second nature.
  • thanks for all the responses regarding D.C./NOVA dealerships- checked fitzmall.com and found good prices, but actually was quoted a little bit cheaper by a NOVA dealership----$25,895 including all fees except for taxes and tags for an XT Prem with some options, so I think I'll bargain from there.

    anyone have any past experiences/suggestions regarding getting extended warranty outside of the dealership? seems like a good bit of money can be saved, just trying to make sure these internet warranty sellers are legit. looked at "warranty direct" website....if anyone has purchased extended warranties or atleast researched them and have advice, please let me know. thanks!
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    If you're going to get an extended warranty, I strongly suggest that you stick with the manufacturer's. You definitely want to buy from a company that's going to be around 6 or 7 years from now. The independents frequently go out of business and the ones that don't often are reluctant to honor a claim. Also, don't you have to pay the entire bill and then file for reimbursement? Whereas with the manufacturer's you only pay a deductible.

    -Frank P.
  • yup - property taxes here suck
    yup - can't pump my own gas although when it is 15 F degrees outside w/a nice windchill bringing it below 0 - sorta nice to sit in my car will some kid does it for me (like i did when i was 16 for a bit). all that for 1.45/gal current rate for 87 oct regular.
    oh yeah - and yup - our politicians in nj also suck. we couldn't grasp the concept of GRIP in the last election (get rid of incumbant politicians) hey swampy - what dealer will you use for service?
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    i am gonna try the dealer i bought from, liberty subaru
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    yup - can't pump my own gas although when it is 15 F degrees outside w/a nice windchill bringing it below 0 - sorta nice to sit in my car will some kid does it for me

    I have no quarrel with people who'd rather have it done for them. My problem is, what business is it of lawmakers to make it illegal for me to pump my own if that is my preference? Answer: None.

    Let the market decide! If there are sufficient numbers of people who willingly pay a few cents extra to patronize a fully-staffed station, then you can be sure operators will meet that demand. On the other hand, we ought not all be compelled to sit in our cars and wait, wait, wait interminably while some scowling dropout who will never understand the concept of multitasking shuffles slowly from one car to another. Can some of these people possibly move any more slowly, or be any more surly?

    Lest anyone think that's an attack on every gas pump jockey, I spent my first 10 working years (from age 9 to 19) pumping gas in family-owned stations. We greeted every customer with wide smiles, we always moved at a fast run from car to car and between car and cash register, we never asked "would you like your oil and water checked" - we automatically did it, and if anyone ever failed more than once to provide that level of enthusiastic service, my old man would send him out to find another job.

    How times change. Every single time an effort has been mounted to repeal Oregon's idiotic can't-pump-your-own law, the anti-self-serve people rise up and defeat it. Ridiculous.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    I hear that vehicle insurance rates really suck in NJ also.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Other than NJ, I can't even remember the last time I saw a gas station that offered a full-service option (and I do a fair bit of traveling).

    -Frank P.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    nj insurance is very high.

    full service gas prices in NJ are lower than any state around with self-service.

    property taxes are very high but like in most towns pay for the local schools ( cheaper than paying for a private school plus we get a tax deduction for prop taxes ). some great schools in nj.

    i got a killer home on a couple of acres for the same price i would get a postage size lot in los angeles.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    full service gas prices in NJ are lower than any state around with self-service.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a station is self-serve or full-serve. It is impossible to provide full-serve without incurring additional labor costs, and those costs are paid by customers - there is no free lunch. The price advantage to which full-serve customers often refer is due entirely to differences in state fuel tax rates. If you're in a high-tax state, your fuel will cost more even if it's self-serve. If you're in a low-tax state, your fuel will be cheaper even if it's full-serve.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    In Oregon, we have the worst of all possible outcomes: High state fuel taxes, and a moronic law forbidding self-serve. Our pump prices are ridiculous, and the pro-full-serve lobbies prevent us from doing a damned thing about it.
  • let the market decide - fair enough, i'll buy that however as you note earlier - it won't happen unless we get rid of some of our idiotic lawmakers. anyways - insurance - yeah can be high - we pay approx 2100/yr for 2 cars
    1. 03 forester xs w/pp
    2. 95 chrysler cirrus
    both w/collision (500 deduct i believe) and comprehensive (100 deduct which i just used to replace windshield in chrysler) and the usual liability stuff. think i did not check the 'i'll limit how much i sue for box' either - can't remember. (this incase some moron smears me across the road). this is with USAA (had our in here via wife who's dad was career USA - highly recommend them if you can get them they even refunded us like 175 usd due to 'good returns' or something like that in their performance) i have no idea honestly how that stacks up against similar car/driver situations. 2 drivers (me/wife) ages 33.
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