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  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Locki99, the same can be said for yourself. My opinions don't count because I have owned Fords that have had great reliability/quality. Did you visit www.rangerstation.com and see all the Ranger owners/sites that are satisified and have 100, 200K+ miles on them?
  • mrpenguin20mrpenguin20 Member Posts: 13
    Vince8,
    www.rangerstation.com is a South Park web site.
  • devontiedevontie Member Posts: 35
    I ordered my 2000 Ranger in Sept. and it arrived in Nov. it took 6 weeks almost to the day. Good Luck.
  • mph55mph55 Member Posts: 1
    My new 2000 ranger 5 speed will klunk during acceleration and deaccelartion , this does not appear normal. 2.5 swb. Does anyone have this happening. The dealer says its normal, I don't believe it. e-mail mphvyh@bellatlantic.net

    THANKS MARK
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Oh damn, your right! I haven't been to this site in a while and it must have changed somehow?! What the?!! I will have to remove this one from my favorites now and try to track it down. OOPS
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    No, yours and everyones opinion is valued and if you have had issues, yes, post.

    I have had no real issues so far with my 99 4.0L. I do recommend that a person changes to synthetic after maybe 10K. My engine is running real good at 25K. No vibration or real noise that I would complain about. I have had an intermittent reoccurance of the wipers coming on by themselves and will get that redone in short order. The only other thing was a drivers side door switch, the door ajar and dome light remained on.

    I would like to know about the scorpions too. They are not a 3ply sidewall but the tread looks fairly good. For your purposes in AZ, if you do not do any heavy 4 wheeling they should do fine.

    BTW, when you come to Westcliffe, do you come thru 4 corners or up I25 from NM? If you come the former, I have a cutoff that should save you maybe 40 miles. It is off LaVeta pass, 2 miles before the summit.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Seriously sorry you have had issues with Ford. It looks like you gave them a 2nd try.
    The new Consumer Reports still rates the Ranger well. It is based on their independent tests and also the inputs from owners experiences. The April issue of 2000 lists the soft areas for Ranger in electical and suspension, the swithes I have had go bad and I assume the squeaky springs and perhaps my issues with shocks, stock, that are not the best. I will replace my shocks with Rancho's when I get the time. Also maked down, but in all cases a half red circle, not real bad, is integrity and hardware. Otherwise, the ratings are identical to Tacoma, which is regarded as a very high quality vehicle.

    CR rates the 95, as very bad for electrical problems. The engine for that year is rated half red circle and for the 98/99 a full red circle which is the best rating. You had a 95 right?

    Again, sorry for you trouble with Ranges, but you are doing what I would do. Fool me twice, shame on me. Now I had issues with the quality of the 81 Toyota truck I bought and that was the LAST Toyota I bought new. They would not stand behind the product, 2 dealers one in Colo and one in Calif. so I just chose not to buy thier product.

    So I understand where you are coming from having been there. And perhaps it is fair to say that the crap shoot of buying a vehicle is not in the favor of Ford, however the price and terms may, in many peoples minds, make up the difference.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Seriously sorry you have had issues with Ford. It looks like you gave them a 2nd try.
    The new Consumer Reports still rates the Ranger well. It is based on their independent tests and also the inputs from owners experiences. The April issue of 2000 lists the soft areas for Ranger in electrical and suspension, the switches I have had go bad and I assume the squeaky springs and perhaps my issues with shocks, stock, that are not the best. I will replace my shocks with Rancho's when I get the time. Also marked down, but in all cases a half red circle, not real bad, is integrity and hardware. Otherwise, the ratings are identical to Tacoma, which is regarded as a very high quality vehicle.

    CR rates the 95, as very bad for electrical problems. The engine for that year is rated half red circle and for the 98/99 a full red circle which is the best rating. You had a 95 right?

    Again, sorry for you trouble with Ranges, but you are doing what I would do. Fool me twice, shame on me. Now I had issues with the quality of the 81 Toyota truck I bought and that was the LAST Toyota I bought new. They would not stand behind the product, 2 dealers one in Colo and one in Calif. so I just chose not to buy their product.

    So I understand where you are coming from having been there. And perhaps it is fair to say that the crap shoot of buying a vehicle is not in the favor of Ford, however the price and terms may, in many peoples minds, make up the difference.
  • b_bazinetb_bazinet Member Posts: 23
    Does anyone know if Ford plans on using the 3.0 200hp Taurus engine in the upcomming model year Ranger?
  • dannygdannyg Member Posts: 131
    Latest word is that the 2001 Ranger will feature the current OHV 3.0L V6, the +200HP 4.0L SOHC V6, and a new 2.3 OHC I4. Check out http://www.blueovalnews.com for the latest.

    I too wish they'd put in the OHC 3.0L!
  • xena1axena1a Member Posts: 286
    I have driven both routes from Tucson to Westcliffe. I have found that the simplest way
    for me to get up there is straight up I-25 to Walsenburg, then hiway 69 over to the Wet Mnt Valley. Is the shortcut you are referring to the Pass Creek Pass route from 160 over to Gardner?
    Still investigating tires for replacing the Firestone's. I might go with the Scorpions, not sure yet. It's starting to look like July1-16 for my trip up there. Looking forward to it...
  • bunker3bunker3 Member Posts: 2
    I looked at 2000 year Rangers today. Test drove a 2.5L XL Reg cab w/ automatic and a 3.0L Supercab XLT w/automatic.

    Price difference between the vehicles is $3500 to $4000. Is it worth the extra money for the 3.0L supercab? I will drive this vehicle til it falls apart, so trade in value is meaningless to me.

    Both trucks seemed to have about the same acceleration, both handled the same except the supercab had a little bit better ride.

    Will appreciate any comments and advice from ranger owners.
  • bunker3bunker3 Member Posts: 2
    I looked at 2000 year Rangers today. Test drove a 2.5L XL Reg cab w/ automatic and a 3.0L Supercab XLT w/automatic.

    Price difference between the vehicles is $3500 to $4000. Is it worth the extra money for the 3.0L supercab? I will drive this vehicle til it falls apart, so trade in value is meaningless to me.

    Both trucks seemed to have about the same acceleration, both handled the same except the supercab had a little bit better ride.

    Will appreciate any comments and advice from ranger owners.
  • fredfred3fredfred3 Member Posts: 73
    I also am seriously considering a new Ranger. I haven't test driven yet but I know I want a manual shift. I am leaning towards the 2.5 for fuel mileage and price reasons and also because of the post I have read about the loud noise that develops in the 3.0 and 4.0 engines. Does this noise also appy to the 2.5 does anyone know?
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Yes, Pass Creek was what I was talking about.

    I ran into a flock of 10 wild turkey there last weekend. They scattered before I could get the camera out.

    I learned more about the Scorpions. They have a great tread pattern and drive well. The main difference in a BFG is the lugs go out more to the side giving almost a side lug performance. Good for gripping rocks. That and the 3 ply sidewall, a bit better protection against rocks and the bead protection ring. Also, the BFG tread pattern seems to be a bit wider, maybe due to the lugs. I think the Scorpion is a better all around tread.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Mine is kinda quiet. Synthetic oil must help. Been running it for over 10,000 miles.

    In regard to what I am hearing on engines, all I can say is I work with a guy that has a 96 4.0 with 70K on it and another that has a 99 4.0 with 9K and my 99 has 25.5K. None of us have had problems with the engines. Consumer Reports ratings from users of the products DO NOT indicate any serious problems being reported.
    The WORST it gets for engine mechanical is an "average" in 1992.

    I do not DOUBT that there may be problems in SOME engines on the Ranger, however, I do not personally KNOW anyone who has a problem and the independent sources I use do not REPORT problems like I have heard are in the engines.

    The super cab rides better perhaps because of the wheel base. Resale value is with the supercab.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    My son runs with a guy that has an 88 Ranger with a 2.9 v6, 166+K miles and I saw the pictures when he was pulling a Bronco off a hill. His 2.9 uses oil but still runs stong.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    BTW

    8^)
  • fredfred3fredfred3 Member Posts: 73
    When I mentioned the v6 engine noise I was mainly referring to the posts where people had reported loud noises that sound either like a "diesel engine" or like the engine was "knocking." I'm glad to hear that, for the most part Rangers have been trouble free, because I really would like one. I agree synthetic oil is the way to go. Should you start that at your first oil change or wait until the motor is broken in?
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Well many schools of thought on that.

    I have HEARD that the newer engines do not need a break in period. But I am a bit older than a great deal of the posters and having grown up in the 60-70's prefer to break in an engine first. I did it for my 15,000 mile service time frame.

    I do not know what to say regarding posts on engine problems. All I can say is a major source I use, Consumer Reports, does not report any major problems and it is in part based on subscriber inputs (maybe 6 Million subscribers), people that use the products rated and their own testing. They keep a vehicle 6 months and run all vehicles over the same tracks for testing. Did they test every engine in a vehicle line? No. But I still respect their opinion.

    I would add to my personal knowledge a Mazda owner down the street with a 97 3.0L engine.
    No engine problems either.

    About the only thing I have experienced or have 2nd hand knowledge (I talked with other owners in person) is the wiper issue, the door chime issue and squeaky springs. Spray on grease corrected the springs.

    I will say this about the 4X4's. As I understand it the new Pulse Vacuum hubs have performed flawless. I speak of the hubs because they are not the old autohubs. Anybody with the old autohubs should change to manual hubs at a cost of maybe $200-250.
    It is just neat a heck to be driving, see a muddy or icy patch on a hill, flip a switch and your in 4 wheel drive high.
  • dannygdannyg Member Posts: 131
    Basically, get the 3.0 if you're going to be doing much towing/hauling/offroading. The 2.5 is a decent engine, but it doesn't have the torque to let you haul/tow much. It does get better MPG, definitely a consideration these days!

    A 2.5L automatic regular-cab 2WD is rated to tow about 2200 lb; a 3.0L auto supercab 2WD about 3960lb.

    Let us know which one you get. I'm trading in my old 1985 Ranger this year, so I'm interested in the experiences of all new owners.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    The Ranger Station can be found here:http://www.homestead.com/therangerstation/index.html

    It is, BY FAR, the BEST source for Ranger information. You can get to boards to discuss ANY Ranger topic.
    4X4, engines, suspension, driveline, you name it it is there and some of the most informative people you can meet.
  • mhoff1mhoff1 Member Posts: 4
    I've just purchased a 3.0 auto to replace my 2.5 auto. In years past I had a 3.0 auto as well. My new 3.0 doesn't seem to have as much pickup as that first 3.0 (but maybe that's my fading memory). It does, however, do much better on the interstate. With my old 2.5, even a slight hill on the interstate was a real strain. I ended up frustrated and tired. The new 3.0 doesn't accelerate nearly as fast as my wife's Accord, but I'm much more comfortable driving it. I'm glad I got it.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Gearing is different for Trucks and cars.
  • dannygdannyg Member Posts: 131
    Congrats on your new truck! I hope you'll keep us informed of VITAL stuff like MPG (city/hwy) and any reliability problems. Thanks in advance.

    Dan
  • devontiedevontie Member Posts: 35
    I own a new Ranger Supercab XLT 3.0 Auto. I hate to say it but I would never buy another ford. I had a 98 Toyota XCAB SR5 and sold it so I could buy a Ranger. I love driving the Ranger, however it has been in service Dept. 9 times. The Tacoma was never back to the dealer ever. Beware of buying a Ranger.
  • trenttrent Member Posts: 86
    Hate to hear you're making trips back to the dealer with a 2000 model Ranger. Maybe you could try another dealer it you're having a reoccurring problem.
    I have a 99 Ranger that has not had any problems at all so I don't have any dealer experience to date. So far it's been a great truck.
  • fredfred3fredfred3 Member Posts: 73
    Myself,I don't plan to do much hauling and no towing. I am mainly looking for a commuter vehicle so probably will go with the 2.5 but with a manual gearbox. To all recent buyer, I would very much like to know how your dealer experience was when buying the vehicle. Since the Ranger is so popular, are they more unwilling to negotiate a good price? What should I expect to pay for a base model? Near MSRP or near invoice?
  • halljhallj Member Posts: 1
    I have a 98 ranger with the 2.5L engine. With less than 30,000 mile on the truck the processor went bad. Now with 66,000 the truck is starting to miss like when the processor went bad, I'm just curious if anyone else has had problems with the proceesor or the 2.5L engine.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    http://www.fordranger.com/wwwboard4.html

    It is the 4 banger board off the Ranger Station.

    It would almost seem like you have something else in the circuit of the computer that is taking it out around 30-40K.

    Did you try a tune? EGR valve giving noise? Replace plug wires(their good for maybe 40-50K)? Replace Cap and rotor if they are equipped with them? Replace fuel filter(good for 30-40K)? Time engine? Could also be intermittent fuel pump.
    Try a can of HEET incase you got some bad gas?

    I think your best shot may be that board URL, very keen people over there.
  • daniel_41daniel_41 Member Posts: 2
    Anybody know anything about the Sohc. I know
    it generates around 200h.p. and about 240torque
    so it looks pretty good to me. I am going to
    buy a new pickup next year and this one appeals
    to me. What's the gas mileage like? Reliability?
    Does it have the pinging problems? and how about
    wieght compared with the current 4.0?
  • mhoff1mhoff1 Member Posts: 4
    I've tried buying 3 Rangers at my local dealer. Each time, they were 1500-2000 over the dealer 10 miles away. I have paid invoice each time, and I keep any rebates. It has really been pretty easy; I wait until there is a significant rebate (I'm assuming that means that sales are slower than usual), I buy vehicles in the dead of winter and I walk in and offer invoice and kind of wave around the pages I download from Edmunds. I don't pay any other fees (documentation, etc.). My last purchase took about 10 minutes to make the deal. The only real question is what my used vehicle is worth; I've found that telling them what I want (again from Edmunds) seems to increase their offer.

    My local dealer was willing to sell at "invoice" with an additional $89 documentation fee and $250 lot fee (the salesperson had a difficult time explaining that one!). I've saved lots by driving a couple of miles down the road. I've bought 1 Honda and 2 Mazda's using the same procedure over the last 10 years.

    My 2000 Ranger 3.0 automatic gets 21 mpg highway (at about 75-80 mph); It gets about 19 city. I've spent about $350 total on repairs (other than tires, wipers, brakes) to 3 Rangers since 1990. The Ranger has been very good for me!
  • fredfred3fredfred3 Member Posts: 73
    Do Ford dealers try to sock you with that stupid "advertising fee?"
  • mhoff1mhoff1 Member Posts: 4
    My local dealer included an advertising fee as part of his $250 "lot fee" but the dealer that I have been buying Rangers from doesn't try to tack on any additional costs. It's just the truck, tax and license.
  • cygnusx1cygnusx1 Member Posts: 290
    Hey Ranger Owners - this should make you feel
    good. The latest 2000 Consumer Reports Reliability
    Ranking ranks the Ranger (and I quote) "Worse Than
    Average". In fact, only two trucks ranked in the
    "Above Average" category for reliability. Tacoma
    and Frontier!! And before you go spouting off
    about how it's a biased ranking you'd better think
    again. The results are taken from surveys by
    actual owners. That's right - Ranger owners ranked
    their own trucks "WORSE THAN AVERAGE"
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Go to www.carpoint.msn.com and visit the reliability section. It has data that contradicts Consumer reports. Consumer reports is known throughout the auto industry for being bias against domestics. Some items are ok on imports bet get bashed when the same item is found on a domestic. The Ranger is extremely reliable, and compare it agains Toyota's of pre Tacoma years and even Nissan.
  • devontiedevontie Member Posts: 35
    I own a new Ranger and I agree that the reliability issue is real. I had a 98 Tacoma and never had a problem. It hurts to say it but the Toyota in my experience is more reliable.
  • jclevelandjcleveland Member Posts: 21
    I have a 99 Ranger SC 4.0, I've had it in twice, once for the Wacky Wipers and once for a slight brake pull. Other than that it has been great, bought it in August and now have 11,500 mile on it. My dad has an 86 with 120,000 miles and only one time in the shop for some transmission trouble (under warranty). He is picking up his 2000 on Monday, and still keeping the 86.

    As for the Tacoma, you may have had good experience with it but I have a co-worker who has seen just the opposite. His Tacoma ate a timing belt @ 60,000 or so miles, and getting that fixed just brought on more related problems.

    I'm not going to tell you one truck is better than the other. Lets face it they are both built by people who on any given day don't want to be at there job and don't put the quality into the vehicles they are working on.

    On the gas mileage subject, I am getting about 17mpg now. Was about 15mpg until about 10,500 and then just went up to 17. Anybody seen any better out of a 4.0 5spd Auto with the OffRoad pkg?
  • fredfred3fredfred3 Member Posts: 73
    I don't own a Ranger or a Tacoma so am not biased either way. But since the subject came up--here are the reviews given for the Ranger and the Tacoma in the Consumer Reports 2000 auto issue.

    Ranger:

    "The Ranger and similar Mazda B series are the best overall among compact pickups. But neither lets you forget you are driving a truck. Handling is good and the ride is stiff...Reliability has improved to average for all versions."

    Tacoma:

    "This unimpressive small truck sticks out conspicuously in Toyota's otherwise excellent product line. Handling is unimpressive and the ride is choppy and uncomfortable...Three good points: The optional 3.4 liter v6 is responsive, the controls and displays are excellent and the Tacoma is a very reliable workhorse."
  • devontiedevontie Member Posts: 35
    I really love driving the Ranger there is no comparison between the two trucks as far as that is concerned. If I can keep it out of the shop I would be pleased with it. My problem is a slight brake pull to the left, it has been in to ford 9 times for a total of 21 days since Nov. They are setting me up with an engineer from ford. What was the pulling problem with your truck?
  • jclevelandjcleveland Member Posts: 21
    My truck was in with only a couple thousand miles for the break pull. They claimed it was a rotor problem (I'm not sure I believe it) and re-surfaced the rotors. It seemed to help. It will still pull only slightly to the left under really light breaking. Under hard breaking it is straight. Let me know what you find out. I am going to try to get mine in this week before 12,000 so they can check the alignment. Figured I should get it checked and let them realign it under warranty if necessary.

    Good luck with yours.
  • fredfred3fredfred3 Member Posts: 73
    I read on the carpoint site that
    insurance rates for a Ford
    Ranger are very expensive,
    sometimes even double that of a
    passenger car. Is this true or
    not in anyone else's experience.
    Please let me know. I live in
    New Jersey where insurance is
    already outrageous so this is an
    important issue for me
  • hciaffahciaffa Member Posts: 454
    Funny you should mention the brake pulling because my 98 Ranger XLT 3.0L was in the shop last week for the front brakes. So this may help out in you problems. To start with I was getting a high pitch whistle that sounded like a vacuum leak and a slight pulling to the drivers side. Well they replaced both calipers and pads ( the drivers side was really sticking badly and they turned the rotors which were still in good condition. But it was still pulling to the left. They thought then it might be the ABS module because there was a slight pulsation in the pedal, it tested ok. Then they swapped rotors and bingo the truck pulled to the right. So they repaced the rotors. All this was covered under warranty. Now I'm a happy camper. Have your service people check the rotors the brake tech mentioned that he's seeing more of this. Funny that even after turning they created a problem.
  • badger9badger9 Member Posts: 5
    FredFred3 asked what people were paying for their Rangers. We shopped a couple of weeks ago and found dealers eager to sell near invoice price. We couldn't find an exact match on a local lot (hubby wanted bucket seat and stickshift) so we ended up special ordering. Current rebates will expire before we take delivery, but our dealer went ahead and committed to take $1,000 off even if there is no rebate in effect at delivery time. If there is more than $1,000 rebate in effect when we take possession, we'll get the additional savings. We payed more than $900 UNDER INVOICE for a factory ordered 3.0 manual supercab XLT 4x4 with the off-road package, bucket seats, sliding window, flareside, CD & Cassette, and convenience group. Taking advantage of manufacture's discounts on equipment packages, we are paying $17805, delivered, for a vehicle with a MSRP of nearly $23,000. I've seen similarly equipped used vehicles (both '98s and '99s) with 20-odd-thousand miles advertised for more than we are paying for this new truck.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Well I will start with you.

    What issue are YOU reading. I HAVE the April issue of Consumer Reports in my HAND. It lists the Ranger as average in reliability and gives it a "recommended" check mark, something you will not have next to the Tacoma.

    Get your facts straight before you post and make an [non-permissible content removed] out of yourself.

    Remember, if you are a Tacoma owner did you MISS the reference to "...unimpressive..." next to Tacoma in the same issue of CR?

    fredfred:
    What part of NJ. I use to live there, just curious(operative word is USE).

    I pay about $800 a year in Colo but did go to higher deductable to keep the rate down a bit. Ranger 4X4, 4liter supercab.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Well I will start with you.

    What issue are YOU reading. I HAVE the April issue of Consumer Reports in my HAND. It lists the Ranger as average in reliability and gives it a "recommended" check mark, something you will not have next to the Tacoma.

    Get your facts straight before you post and make an [non-permissible content removed] out of yourself.

    Remember, if you are a Tacoma owner did you MISS the reference to "...unimpressive..." next to Tacoma in the same issue of CR?

    fredfred:
    What part of NJ. I use to live there, just curious(operative word is USE).

    I pay about $800 a year in Colo but did go to higher deductable to keep the rate down a bit. Ranger 4X4, 4liter supercab.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Got my 99 for about $1K under the published invoice too.

    The deals are out there but many are regional.

    I also got 2.9% financing.
  • badger9badger9 Member Posts: 5
    Yep, we got some sort of regional incentive on the 3.0 engine that was only in effect in four cities, I believe.
  • jclevelandjcleveland Member Posts: 21
    I pay $1 less per month on my 99 Ranger 4x4 SC 4.0 than my 98 Taurus SE(loaded) in Indiana. It ends up being about $700 a year for full coverage with $0 det. on Comp. and $100 on Collision, through State Farm.

    Thanks for the info on the brake pull. My truck seems to be fine since they resurfaced the rotors. Hope devontie has some similar luck.
  • edharri3edharri3 Member Posts: 35
    Someone awhile ago cited consumer reports articles decrying the Ranger's reliability. I just had a few comments in reply to that because I remember reading not to long ago a comparison of compact trucks in CR. First off, the Ranger was the top rated pickup in the comparo. 2nd, If I recalll correctly they said the Ranger's reliability was quite good. 3rd, /the ranger was rated the most comfortable to drive of all pickups. And lastly, though I don't deny Toyotas are sound mechanically, Their fit, finish, and bodys don't sem to be up to par. They mentioned the bed getting dented, dinged, and scratched way too easily when fairly light objects were thrown in. Theny mentioned poor handling and a bad ride.
    And I have just one mroe question: Do Toyota truck beds without liners or covers still tend to rust all the way through after only 5-10 years' exposure to the elements? Never seen any domestic do that. Guess Toyota invested so much in its engines it forgot that the rest of the truck needs to hold up well too.
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