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Lexus RX 400h and 450h

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,146
    I once owned an RX300 and believe me, this car is NOT capable of offroading in anything other than a fire road or gravel road.

    No going up to the cabin on the lake if the roads are muddy. No going out on the beach for fear the sand will be too dry. No taking it skiing as the roads may have too much snow. What a horrible indictment you put on this vehicle. What is it good for then? It sure doesn't look good. Unless you want a car that looks like a Faberge Egg. I wonder how many names get pulled off the wait list when they find out the truth about the RX400h.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Probably the folks that will buy it are the ones sick and tired of taking in their GM SUVs for repair. The Lexus I had was a 1999 and it gave me 3 excellent years of service. If I were in the market for this type of vehicle, I'd get it. Let's see how its service record is before we condemn it. BUT... Gary the jealous gloom and doom guy has already done that already.
  • I just received the latest Lexus Hybrid Newsletter e-mail (Winter 2005 Vol. 5). It includes a base MSRP of $48,535, which includes the delivery, processing and handling fee (normally $650 for the RX 330). I believe the only options are the:

    Mark Levinson Audio System ($1,480)
    DVD Rear Seat Entertainment System ($1,840)
    Adjustable Front Seat Heaters ($540)

    Based on the price for these options on the RX 330, I calculated the "best guess price" in parentheses above. This would give a grand total of $52,395, before taxes.

    There doesn't appear to be any other new information in the Newsletter.
  • I received the same email. Trying to compare apples-to-apples the best I could, the base RX400h is about $3500 higher than a similarly equipped RX330 (AWD, Premium Plus and Navigation). It wouldn't surprise me if there are many RX400h's built with no extra options, selling for the $48,535 base. The question is: Should I wait for the 280 hp RX350 and get more power and 8 lower mpg for less money?
  • can they build?

    DrFill
  • krellukrellu Posts: 31
    I am going for the rx400h,especially being I have a reservation at my local dealership. Waiting for the rx350 does not make sense because the price difference will not be significant.Also keep in mind the rx350 might be an'07 model.
  • We have been on the list for the Hybrid RX 400h for some time. Looking at the base price at $48,500 base I think were canceling.

    This looks like about a 8K premium, so we ordered a Hemi Jeep GC Limited today with MDC on the engine. Loaded it was 36K after rebates, you can buy a lot of fuel for about 20K, even at $4 / gallon.

    See Below:

    Many of you have been with us from the beginning, eagerly awaiting the arrival of the world's first luxury hybrid. The good news is that the wait is almost over. And the very good news is that as a sign of our appreciation for your patience, you are among the first group of people to receive official information about the revolutionary Lexus RX 400h.

    To begin, we thought we'd give you the two most highly anticipated numbers. Arriving in Lexus showrooms on April 15, 2005, the RX 400h will be priced at $48,535 MSRP [1].

    Perhaps one of the most stunning attributes of the RX 400h is its impressive performance. Combining the power output from its electric drive motors and the 3.3-liter V6 engine, gives you brisk acceleration from 0 to 60 in 7.3 seconds [2], outperforming many of its V8-equipped competitors.

    Even with its enhanced performance, the RX 400h still gives you the optimal mileage and low emissions that you expect from a hybrid. The estimated combined fuel-economy rating of 28 mpg [3] equals the average for compact sedans. And its estimated EPA city fuel-economy rating is even better. At 30 mpg, the RX 400h's city mileage more than doubles those of many V8-equipped luxury SUVs.

    The RX 400h features an AWD system that utilizes a separate electric drive motor at the rear. Not only does it provide extra torque on demand, the intelligent system actually helps to manage front and rear torque distribution according to traction conditions.

    It's only fitting that the next generation of luxury SUVs would feature the all-new Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) [4] system. Rather than reacting to vehicle wheel slippage, VDIM's advance sensors allow it to anticipate such conditions. As soon as any slippage or loss of traction is detected, it applies the Electronically Controlled Braking (ECB) system and controls the Electronic Throttle Control System with intelligence (ETCS-i) to help maintain the correct course.

    As you can see, with the innovative RX 400h we didn't just go out of our way to create the new benchmark of luxury SUVs. We also set out to make April 15, 2005, one of the most inspiring dates in hybrid vehicle history.

    Comfort and Luxury
    - Brushed-aluminum accents
    - Voice-activated DVD navigation system [5]
    - Automatic dual-zone climate control with smog-sensing air filtration
    - 10-way adjustable driver's power seat with memory function
    - Power rear door with remote keyless entry
    - Available Mark Levinson [6] audio system with 11 speakers and in-dash,
    six-disc CD auto-changer
    - Available DVD Rear-Seat Entertainment System (RSES) with remote
    control, wireless headphones and seven-inch LCD
    - 38 cu ft [7] of rear cargo capacity; 84 cu ft [7] with rear seats
    folded down
    - Illuminated entry system

    Safety
    - Front dual-stage airbags Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) [8],
    driver's-knee airbag, front seat-mounted side airbags and side curtain
    airbags
    - Welded-steel unibody frame, side-impact door beams and impact-
    dissipating front and rear crumple zones
    - Rollover sensor
    - Backup camera [9]
    - Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS)
    - High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps
    - Rain-sensing wipers

    Warranty
    - 48-month/50,000-mile basic limited warranty with Roadside Assistance for
    48 months/unlimited miles
    - Powertrain and restraint system coverage is provided for 72 months/70,000
    miles
    - Corrosion perforation protection is covered for 72 months, regardless of
    mileage
    - The hybrid-related components, including the HV battery, battery control
    module, hybrid control module and inverter with converter, are covered for
    96 months/100,000 miles

    [1] 2006 Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) includes delivery, processing and handling fee. Excludes taxes, title, license and optional equipment. Actual dealer price may vary.


    [2] These performance capacity figures are for comparison only, and were obtained with prototype vehicles by professional drivers using special safety equipment and procedures. Do not attempt.


    [3] EPA-estimated ratings: 28 city/30 highway mpg. Actual mileage may vary.


    [4] Lexus Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) is an electronic system designed to help the driver maintain vehicle control under adverse conditions. It is not a substitute for safe driving practices. Factors including speed, road conditions and driver steering input can all affect whether VDIM will be effective in preventing a loss of control. Please see your Owner's Manual for further details.


    [5] The Lexus DVD Navigation System is designed to assist in locating an address or point of interest. Discrepancies may be encountered between the system and your actual location. Changes in street names, road closures, traffic flow or other road system changes may affect the accuracy of the mapping software. Rely upon your common sense to decide whether or not to follow a specified route. Detailed coverage not available in every city. Optional periodic geographic updates available at an additional cost. See your Navigation System Owner's Manual and your Lexus dealer for further details.

    [6] Mark Levinson is a registered trademark of Harman International Industries.

    [7] Cargo and load capacity limited by weight and distribution.

    [8] The Lexus driver's and front passenger's dual-stage airbags, front seat-mounted side airbags, driver's-knee airbag and side curtain airbags are Supplemental Restraint Systems (SRS). The driver's and front passenger's airbags and driver's-knee airbag are designed to deploy in severe (usually frontal) collisions where the magnitude and duration of the forward deceleration of the vehicle exceed the design threshold level. The side airbags and side curtain airbags are designed to deploy in certain types of severe side-impact collisions. The side curtain airbags are Roll-Sensing Curtain Airbags (RSCA) and are designed to deploy at a severe tilt degree, roll or lateral G-force. In all other accidents, the airbags will not deploy. To decrease the risk of injury from a deploying airbag, always wear your seatbelt, sit upright in the middle of the seat, and do not lean against the door. Do not put objects in front of an airbag or around the seatback. Do not use a rearward-facing child seat in any front passenger seat. The force of a deploying airbag SRS may cause serious injury or death. Please see your Owner's Manual for further instructions.

    [9] The backup camera, available only with the navigation system, does not provide a comprehensive view of the entire rear area of the vehicle. You should also look around outsid
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Thanks for posting the article. This was an excellent read.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    The article was removed. Posting entire articles is a copyright infringement.

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  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Too bad.. maybe that person will be so kind as to post a link.
  • "This looks like about a 8K premium"

    What might you be basing your calculation on? I noted that #605 calculated that there was ~3500 premium over a comparably equipped RX330.
  • The price a dealer in the SF bay area is willing to sell a RX 330 with the same equipment. About 42K versus over 50K with the same options. The 330's are being sold below list, this is what we are comparing. The dealers will not discount the hybrid.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    I think he's going to come back and post the link... innocent "newbie" error!

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  • I don't understand going from a 400h to a JGC.

    These two vehicles are for totally different buyers!

    One is efficient, stylish, roomier (than the JGC), and with impeccable quality, value, and luxury. It is not an off-roader, it is a Road Ruler!

    The other is a Jeep.

    And if you're paying $36k AFTER rebates, you are getting RIPPED! Hemi Scmemi! That thing is worth $25k next year. Maybe.

    DrFill
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,146
    it is a Road Ruler!

    That is a push for a wannabe SUV like the RX. Maybe the LX470, Escalade, Navigator or Hummer2. No one even takes a second glance at an RX330 nor will they of the RX400h. Asian midsize SUVs all look alike, Garish. It should not be considered an SUV according to the American Heritage dictionary.

    sport-u·til·i·ty vehicle (spôrty-tl-t, sprt-)
    n. Abbr. SUV
    A four-wheel-drive vehicle with a roomy body, designed for off-road travel.

    S.U.V. n : a high-performance four-wheel drive car built on a truck chassis
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    LX330/400h are GENERALLY classified as "crossovers" due to their non-truck chassis....

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/market/crossover/all/

    http://tinyurl.com/7yh9y

    http://tinyurl.com/4zx49
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,146
    As long as the RX400h salesmen make it clear to prospective buyers that they should not try to make it up to the cabin if they have to go through any deep mud, I don't have a problem.

    One of your articles has misleading data. The Explorer is the only SUV mentioned in the article that lost ground last year. The 2nd highest selling SUV the Chevy Trailblazer increased their sales and gained on number One. The Dodge Durango and GMC Envoy both posted increased in sales over 2003. Sounds like Toyota paid Bankrate to mislead the public. Doesn't surprise me I am sure they have CR in their pocket also.

    The success of Japanese crossovers has put American manufacturers in the position of having to play catch up. Merkle points to American-made truck-based SUVs such as the Ford Explorer, Dodge Durango and Chevrolet Trailblazer as vehicles whose sales have been eaten away, partly due to the success of crossover vehicles.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    "The 2nd highest selling SUV the Chevy Trailblazer increased their sales and gained on number One. "
    Can you show me the link. If it has gained #1 position, GM will not reduce its MSRP.

    The 4WD in SUV's & CUV's are useful when we drive in snow / mud. But the Truck chassis of SUV's are used only if we need to carry 2-3 tons of stuff which no one does. Hence SUV's are replaced by lighter CUV's.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,146
    I did say that Trailblazer gained on number one not past number one. Here is 1 & 2 from autosite. By comparison the top Toyota highlander sold 133,077 units in 2004 and was in 11th place.

    Chevrolet TrailBlazer 2004 283,484 2003 261,334
    Ford Explorer 2004 339,333 2003 373,118
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    Chevy TrailBlazer sales increased probably its the new model in the year 2004.

    But in Jan-2005, its not in the Top-Ten list according to USSalesSummary0501.xls in
    http://wardsauto.com/reference_sample/index.htm
    Hence reduction in MSRP.
    BTW, Escape is coming closer to Explorer, if Cabbies switch over to Hybrid-Escape, bingo.

    Probably RX400h can be used as Limousines.
    It deserves that place.
  • Once upon a time a Chevy Suburban was considered just a big truck-like stationwagon or if you prefer, a big station-like truck. Now it's an SUV. The new RX 400H Lexus SUV just goes to show that an "SUV" is different things to different people. Isn't "luxury" another term that runs the gammit? What's luxury in a FORD or CHEVY is an accepted standard in a BMW or MERCEDES. One thing for sure. The Lexus RX400h seems to be a unique and expensive variation (in some ways) as to a hybrid vehicle's definition. When Dodge comes out with the ALL WHEEL DRIVE MAGNUM will that be considered an SUV?
    Culliganman
  • The Envoy, TrailBlazer, and Rainier lost so much ground in January (over 40% year-to-year), that GM is cutting the PRICE by $1-2k!!

    RX as Road Ruler. As in how it tames the road, makes rough roads seem fairly easy. In how it imposes it's will on the road. How it rules a rough piece of road.

    DrFill
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    The RX is one of the best riding/driving crossover vehicles when compared to the MDX/Murano/FX etc. It does NOT claim (or want) to be a clumsly poorly constructed SUV as GM trucks seem to be lately. I read that the 400h has over 12,000 preorders!!! That should be a testament to its eventual success. GM wins buyers by almost giving their product away, at least Toyota/Lexus builds a fine vehicle.
  • birgerbirger Posts: 80
    Too bad that: "Only residents of the United States who are 18 years or older are eligible to enter and win the raffle." - otherwise I'd very much have liked to participate, as both the object and the prize are to my liking.....

    Kind greetings from Luxembourg,
    Birger
  • birgerbirger Posts: 80
    Hi, Kirstie

    I'm sorry to have missed this article. While I understand the copyright infringement motive, it would really be nice to have a link to the publication concerned posted. Now everyone is held in suspense ;-)

    Cheers from snowy Luxembourg,
    Birger
  • Maybe I can help to explain why we are making the switch. We have both a 2002 RX300 and a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. We like both cars and yes they are very different.

    1. Have you driven a 2005 Jeep, I have and can tell you it is vastly different than the 2001.

    2. The RX 300 is very costly to maintain, the 5K service is $159 versus the Jeep at $40. 15K service was $420 versus $150 for the Jeep. The 30 K was the same for both, about $500.

    3. The RX is now 2 and 1/2 years old and is now developing squeaks in the dash and a occasional squeling sound from the engine area. The dealer has no clue on the cause

    4. Yes for sure the RX 330 / 400 is stylish but is it functional over the RX 300, drive the 330 and note the blind spot on the left and right rear windows, they are much smaller than the RX 300. The center seat area and center front console open space is less spacious due to the larger center console.

    5. Yes the Jeep will drop faster in value but I've noticed that the RX 300 we have is also droping, pretty much all used cars are droping in price. This is the beauty of leasing if you plan to flip your ride every 2 years. Cars depreciate, all of them.

    The extra 14 K deposited in our 401 K along with my employer match will more than make up for the drop in value on the Jeep. Couple this with the 8.25% sales tax on the additional $14K and the Jeep drop in value is really not a big deal.

    Lastly we have a 2004 Mercedes C240 4-Matic and have had no problems after 26k miles of driving. Maintenace is simple and cost zero on the 2004. The dealer is excellent, even came to our house and picked up the car for its service. So overall in our case it is the top dog.

    Just our thinking on the RX 400 versus Jeep Grand Cherokee.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,146
    Just our thinking on the RX 400 versus Jeep Grand Cherokee.

    You may have made a wise decision. If they don't get the problems with the RX330 resolved they may carry over to the RX400h. See links below on transmission, brakes and noise issues. If you think the routine maintenance was expensive. It is mild compared to the out of warranty repairs.

    josh5, "Lexus RX 330: Problems & Solutions" #948, 23 Jan 2005 5:19 pm

    dorothyk, "Lexus RX 330: Problems & Solutions" #998, 16 Feb 2005 12:56 am

    spring, "Lexus RX 330: Problems & Solutions" #987, 4 Feb 2005 9:44 am
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi All:

    The item that bothers me most about the RX’s (hybrid’s or not) is its size … For $33 - 50K, it seems tight to me.

    Passenger Volume/Cargo Volume (cu. ft.)

    06 Lexus RX400h: 102.5/38.3
    05 Honda CR-V: 106.0/33.5
    05 Acura MDX: 126.2/49.6 with the third row stowed for increased cargo capacity.

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,146
    it seems tight to me.

    When my tax man came by with his new RX and took me for a ride that was my thought, very cramped feeling. Plus lots of blind spots. He loves it and is not a very big man so that is what counts.
  • avery1avery1 Posts: 373
    If you look in the Lexus manual you will see that the dealers add on many "services" that are not required at each service interval. If you have only the required work done the cost of the service visit is significantly less.
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