I spotted a NEW (insert make/model) today!

qbrozen

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Just had a member request lease numbers for the outgoing Maybach - 35% residual for 36 months and 10,000 miles. The car they are looking at has an MSRP of something like $206K.

Wow $4000 a month payment .. lol.

I think the selling price was something like $175K. With a crazy amount down, he was quoted $3200/mo.

But, this was with a decent markup to the MF.

Ha ha more than my mortgage and NJ taxes. Ahh to be rich !

Well, $3200/mo is about the size of my mortgage (with taxes, etc.).

Yeah we are just under $3000. I told the wife when we moved that was the limit! She made sure we didn’t miss it by much! What’s crazy is 40% of it is taxes.

The property taxes in NJ blow my mind. Taxes are just about 15% of our mortgage.

Hoping to move somewhere much less expensive next time around, and cut the mortgage by 2/3 if all goes well.

Yep they are insane (14K)... at least the county I’m in is lower by percentage than where I came from. I’d wager @stickguy pays a lot more than me, one county north.

I’m about 35%, I think

fintail

Saw a DB11 on East Sprague in Spokane - kind of a surprise and a little out of place, nearest dealer must be in Seattle.

kyfdx

Even in Cincinnati, which is not a small town, the nearest AM dealer is 2 hours away.

stickguy

My neighborhood seems to be on a shopping spree. People across the street traded in a few year old Malibu for a new Traverse (I think they are leasers, and only get chevies). And next to them, a new Infiniti QX50 in the driveway. I think it is replacing a recently departed G37 that was towed off after getting hit in the rear, with a boatload of miles on it. Puts them back to 3 Infiniti’s, and before that they had a Nissan (Z). So they seem to be keeping the company in business.

tjc78

Traverses are suddenly ... everywhere!

I had to see at least 5 the other day, two with temp plates.

I get it... looks like a Tahoe at a much lower price.

It’s actually a good vehicle and can be pretty luxurious. We didn’t look at it because it was too similar to the Enclave.

explorerx4

In the showroom.

stickguy

I don't care that they put a little horsie on it. I really like the looks of the Mach E

tjc78

It’s a cool vehicle, no doubt. I question the name choice but at the end of the day it means nothing.

fintail

I find that name a lot less questionable than the current Eclipse or even Pathfinder.

explorerx4

Might take the pressure off releasing 4 door ICE Mustang.

tjc78

fintail said:

I find that name a lot less questionable than the current Eclipse or even Pathfinder.

Eclipse is worse. Pathfinder I don’t find offensive because it’s still a 4 door SUV. I know it’s a far cry from the rugged PF of the past, but you could use the same argument for the Explorer that was turned into a FWD chassis (and of course now changed back)

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

Might take the pressure off releasing 4 door ICE Mustang.

Please no... of course Ford did it with the Thunderbird and Lincoln Marks so it isn’t beneath them.

texases

Just wait for the Corvette EV CUV...it's coming...

bhill2

Hey, a mid-engined CUV. That would be interesting.

texases

It wasn't a joke. Hey if Porsche can do it, and Lamborghini, and Aston Martin...
https://jalopnik.com/again-please-leave-the-corvette-alone-1846062780

explorerx4

I don't see anything wrong with a 4 door Mustang if it is a good product.
Their strategy seems to be going toward sub brands.

bhill2

texases said:

It wasn't a joke. Hey if Porsche can do it, and Lamborghini, and Aston Martin...
https://jalopnik.com/again-please-leave-the-corvette-alone-1846062780

No! Please!! Now that the Corvette has finally become mid-engined, and the transition is so successful, the retrograde move necessary to create a crossover or an SUV with that name would be (uh) unfortunate. I agree with the author of the article: "Get that noise out of here! And leave the Corvette alone."

andres3

Heard hearsay that a customer was put on a 3-year waiting list for the C8 Corvette by a dealership. That's nuts. Do they get a 2024 when it comes in, or a 3 year old 2021?

fintail

To me, this is a minivan with conventional doors



Of course, it or an Explorer or Pilot or Acadia or Telluride or Durango etc are all as likely as each other to see more than a gravel driveway.

tjc78 said:

Eclipse is worse. Pathfinder I don’t find offensive because it’s still a 4 door SUV. I know it’s a far cry from the rugged PF of the past, but you could use the same argument for the Explorer that was turned into a FWD chassis (and of course now changed back)

qbrozen

andres3 said:

Heard hearsay that a customer was put on a 3-year waiting list for the C8 Corvette by a dealership. That's nuts. Do they get a 2024 when it comes in, or a 3 year old 2021?

I see plenty advertised for sale around the country. 241 on cargurus nationwide. Sure, some are BS listings. Found one in CA where the VIN shows as sold in August. But also found plenty where the VIN comes up blank, so not yet sold. There is even a silver one with Z51 pack that has been on a lot in PA for 211 days. Asking $97,500. Found a black one in NJ being advertised at MSRP ($87k).

There are also 31 used that have gone through Manheim is just the past month. All sold for over $90k.

texases

Passed a Jeep Gladiator yesterday. That thing is loooooong, doesn't look right to me. If I wanted a Jeep pickup, I'd want it a bit shorter for offroad use.

fintail

Saw an Arteon today, maybe my 2nd or 3rd ever, stateside - rare especially in these parts. Also a new style GLA.

sda

I like the Arteon. I like the look of the sedan yet versatility of the hatchback. They are a bit overpriced but if I can find one loaded CPO in a couple of years at a good price I will be tempted. I think they depreciate quickly, like the Passat. Alas. Both will be discontinued as everyone rushes to CUVs/SUVs.

stickguy

Genesis G80 (I think 80). Really unique rear end design. Sharp looking land yacht.

andres3

fintail said:

Saw an Arteon today, maybe my 2nd or 3rd ever, stateside - rare especially in these parts. Also a new style GLA.

Not as rare as the Phaeton, or equally so?

fintail

Maybe not as rare yet, but I bet survival rates will be far better for the Arteon,

andres3 said:

Not as rare as the Phaeton, or equally so?

ab348

Man, this is a harsh review of the new Infiniti QX55 over at CNET. Too bad, as it's a good-looking rig. They treated it almost like they had mistaken it for a GM vehicle.

stickguy

Is that the jumbo one (armada equivalent?)

ab348

No, it's smaller, comes with a turbo 4.

stickguy

Oh, must be redesigned QX50. Nobody much liked the prior version either. Had that weird variable displacement engine or something strange.

texases

I think it's the 'coupe' version of the QX50.

The reviews on that variable compression ratio turbo 4 have been pretty meh. Lots of complexity without much to show (power or mpgs), compared to the competition.

tjc78

Yeah that engine is not loved but the press at all. Infiniti in general has lost their way IMO.

fintail

It kind of reminds me of the catfish facelift FX from around 2010, also has a fish face - another pseudo-sporty upmarket CUV "coupe", just what the world needs:



These are always the kind of cars I suspect will blindly merge into me or blindly pull out in front of me, makes me cautious.

stickguy

That think just looks awful.

explorerx4

Kind of looks like an electric shaver.

kyfdx

My first spotting of an Eclipse Cross was today.

We were behind it, and my wife says, "Ewww... what is that?"

andres3

kyfdx said:

My first spotting of an Eclipse Cross was today.

We were behind it, and my wife says, "Ewww... what is that?"

I'm sure that's exactly the reaction the designers were hoping for!

stickguy

It's Mitsubishi. They are probably just happy that anybody noticed it.

Sandman6472

Have driven a few of them at work. To be totally honest, they don't drive that badly, I was surprised how much I did like it! The looks are really awful...it ain't a pretty thing but it's comfortable inside and drove decently enough. Ergonomics were decent also, just hated the rear split window, like the Prius. I hate those split rear windows, hatches, whatever you call them.
Bottom line, get past the looks and it isn't that bad of a vehicle. Depending on what your needs are plus your budget, it just might work for some. But again, don't get too hung up with it's looks!

fintail

To me, Eclipse Cross would be just another unpretty but overall not too offensive cloned CUV if not for the name, which is a bit offensive to people of a certain age.

Saw one of the new 6 window Acura sedans, didn't look bad, dark color to make the big grille stand out less.

kyfdx

It's hard to overstate how ugly this is, in person. I think they may have eliminated this rear-view abomination in the new 2022 version

fintail

DLO fail triggers me most, that's a big black plastic triangle (and quite a badonkadonk, too).

tjc78

The DLO isn’t nearly as offensive as the rear, IMO

These are no doubt being sold for deep discounts with 0% financing.

qbrozen

kyfdx said:

It's hard to overstate how ugly this is, in person. I think they may have eliminated this rear-view abomination in the new 2022 version

Hey, it worked so well before, so it demanded repeating.

tjc78

I would love to have been in the room when a group of presumably high paid designers and execs gave the green light to the design.

What were they smoking? In some ways it’s like they wanted it to be ugly and help bring down Pontiac.

omarman

If you're wondering what might have been if the Aztek had stayed closer to its 1999 concept ...

stickguy

still ugly and with ungainly proportions?

fintail

They'd sell 6 figures of those if unveiled today.

qbrozen

fintail said:

They'd sell 6 figures of those if unveiled today with a Toyota badge.

fixed that for you

fintail

Can't do it with a Pontiac badge, for better or worse

Actually, that thing is a clean and elegant design compared to many modern Toyolex products.

qbrozen said:

fintail said:

They'd sell 6 figures of those if unveiled today with a Toyota badge.

fixed that for you