I spotted a NEW (insert make/model) today!

kyfdx

Plus, the Mitsubishi makes it worse, with the taillights running across the rear window lower edge...

The Aztek was ahead of it's time, for sure

fintail

New unplated Challenger Hellcat widebody parked on the street near me.

fintail

At the dealer now in for service B and winter tire change out. Unusual ones in the showroom - AMG GT43 "coupe", decently optioned, 99K MSRP, and a C63S convertible with a "sold" sign - surprising in this SUV/CUV area.

fintail

Also GLA45, 70K MSRP.

kyfdx

fintail said:

Also GLA45, 70K MSRP.

That is hilarious

Michaell

kyfdx said:

fintail said:

Also GLA45, 70K MSRP.

That is hilarious

I couldn't respond, I was so stunned by that.

stickguy

Today, a new style Corolla sedan. Front end looks much nicer. Either the first one I have seen, or only one that registered on my brain.

fintail

Also a GLC43, 75K MSRP. Didn't see anything else insanely rare on the lot. Only E in stock is the E53 that was there when I visited in November.

The GLA was pretty loaded, HUD, distronic, 2K wheel option, etc, but still, 70K is a bit dear for something like that.

Pretty decent dealer experience on my second visit. Finished ahead of promised time, clean modern facility, and the same compliments on the wagon as before.

qbrozen

fintail said:

Also GLA45, 70K MSRP.

That’s like 25% in options. Yikes.

fintail

And much wilder when compared to a non-AMG, I think they had a more basic one with a ~42K sticker.

qbrozen said:

That’s like 25% in options. Yikes.

andres3

Reminds me when the A6 had a $6K B&O Audio system option. Probably a good value compared to the lackluster $1K version.

Then some people think special order option paint is outrageously priced, while others think it's a bargain. Yet others say; why not just wrap it?

qbrozen

My personal issue with options is that the value of many of them is next to nothing when you go to sell it. Beyond the real luxury basics, like leather and moonroof, and beyond performance options, it is money you need to be comfortable knowing Is 100% gone when you sign on the line.

stickguy

I have always heard you do better buying the base version of a fancier car, than a loaded up version of a lower line model.

laurasdada

Jag I-Pace tonight, the BEV. I like it, looked big, yet somehow sleek in motion.

jpp75

laurasdada said:

Jag I-Pace tonight, the BEV. I like it, looked big, yet somehow sleek in motion.

I really like the I-Pace. Last summer before I got the Model3 I drove an Audi eTron, as @breld has noted the driving experience was nice but not what I was looking for, there was a Jag dealer next door and I remembered the IPace and decided to drive one. I loved how it drove, very nimble and tight. I would have gotten one but charging was an issue for me at the time (no ability to charge at home) so the Tesla Supercharger network made my decision for me.

laurasdada

Most reviews I"ve read have put the I-Pace over the e-Tron, Jpp. Much better driving experience. But, slow charging, which I believe Jag is improving for the '21s, if they ever get here. I'm worried about the marque.

I had the same issue, nowhere to charge an electric at home. But, moving in with the fiance, I can plug in to her 120 in the garage (s.....l.....o.....w). And, I bought a PHEV, so no worries about running out of electrons.

I'll consider a 240v when we move next year, in the new home.

stickguy

if they are building it to order for you, should see if can just have it built in. In theory, should be cheaper to have it done then.

laurasdada

stickguy said:

if they are building it to order for you, should see if can just have it built in. In theory, should be cheaper to have it done then.

Good point, and question to ask. There is some serious brainpower on this site, beyond mine, obviously.

stickguy

New style Kia Sorrento. Not bad looking for a mid-sized CUV.

texases

I got a REAL close look at a new McLaren - it almost pulled over into me on the drive home from work. As to which model, I don't know, I can't keep all their numbers straight.

ab348

Saw my first new-design Buick Envision at the dealer today. It looks a LOT smaller then the outgoing one, just a bit bigger than an Encore. Pleasant enough design though nothing too groundbreaking.

fintail

Envision still made in China?

kyfdx

Kia Seltos. Top trim.

Looked inoffensive. I think it's in the CR-V, RAV4 class?

stickguy

Size below. Looks bigger than it is. More of a CX3, HRV competitor.

texases

Followed a Caddy CT4, something about the rear end just doesn't look right to me:

ab348

The CT4 rear end is a very unhappy design. Only GM could take the best-looking Caddy design, the ATS, and make it the worst (IMO).

texases

The CT4 reminds me of the rear of an RX350, another mistake:

fintail

At least the CT4 doesn't have the lame narrow floating C-pillar, a really awful fad.

Saw an electric Mustang sedan on the road.

tjc78

texases said:

The CT4 reminds me of the rear of an RX350, another mistake:

There are too many styling mistakes on the RX to count. It may be the ugliest “luxury” SUV out there.

texases

Oh, I know, but I was just trying to avoid looking at all the others...

imidazol97

texases said:

Followed a Caddy CT4, something about the rear end just doesn't look right to me:

It has a set of rear taillights like a Yaris. Nissan and toyota both had low end models that looked, well, cheap.

stickguy

Little reminiscent of the 70s era bustlebacks.

tifighter

I've now seen a number of C8's in the wild. I will acknowledge that the design seems pretty color sensitive, but overall, I'm just not a fan. I admire the capability, but there's just too much going on here for me-

texases

I agree. Even calmed down as much as possible with a black paint job and plain silver wheels, it's just too busy

explorerx4

I saw my first C8 Corvette today coming at me head on.
Instantly recognizable as a Corvette.

explorerx4

Jeep Grand Wagoneer video.

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

Jeep Grand Wagoneer video.

I can’t watch this video at the moment, but I’ve seen others...

Escalade and Navigator should be scared.

stickguy

That whole class of car befuddles me. Just, why?

tjc78

Because they sell and make money.

In all honesty it’s a do all vehicle. Tons of cargo and people hauling, can tow anything and still be luxurious. If I had the budget I wouldn’t throw a Navigator out of my garage for the family.

For just me, I’d prefer a sedan every time.

explorerx4

The biggest thing that is going to hold back the G-W is the ancient engines.

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

The biggest thing that is going to hold back the G-W is the ancient engines.

Even if they drop the Hellcat motor into one?

stickguy

Michaell said:

explorerx4 said:

The biggest thing that is going to hold back the G-W is the ancient engines.

Even if they drop the Hellcat motor into one?

so a T Rex 4 door?

explorerx4

@michaell,
Might sell some in the short run, but not too many people are going to be happy with 7-9 mpg in normal driving.

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

@michaell,
Might sell some in the short run, but not too many people are going to be happy with 7-9 mpg in normal driving.

Like the regular 5.7 Hemi will get much better MPG, in something that big. Gotta be 2.5 tons, at least.

explorerx4

Saw a new Rogue, seems much bigger than previous gen.
Also, a new Elantra, looks much sportier than previous gen.

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

The biggest thing that is going to hold back the G-W is the ancient engines.

Nah. Plenty of companies milk their engines for all they are worth. The Pentastar is only 9 yrs old. The 5.7 hemi dates back about 17-18 yrs. BMW used the M30 for damned near 30 years and nobody complained.

stickguy

I have seen a few new Elantras. Definitely distinctive styling.

ab348

explorerx4 said:

Also, a new Elantra, looks much sportier than previous gen.

For whatever reason they are already all over the roads around here. A hard pass from me. More evidence of Hyundai torturing sheet metal without mercy.

explorerx4

From what I understand, for now the options for the G-W is the 5.7 or 6.4, both ancient.

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

From what I understand, for now the options for the G-W is the 5.7 or 6.4, both ancient.

Would you rather a boosted 4-cyl like everyone else? I’m quite happy with my “antique” 5.7. Not sure what I could gain from a newly designed V8. My LT1 is even older, and I certainly won’t complain about that, either. A twin-turbo 6 is nice and all, but doesn’t sound nearly the same, adds complexity, and gains absolutely nothing (despite claim of increased efficiency, real-world results prove otherwise). So, I ask, what would the company gain by designing and engineering another V8?