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Land Rover LR3



  • I tested the LR3 and it drove quite nice. Better than any of the 4 Discos I have had. But I can't get over the ugly rear styling.

    I say wait for all this new technology to get the bugs worked out and get the new Range Rover Sport next year instead. LR is putting out information now on RR Sport on the LR web site (Great Britain site). The styling is amazing (actually looks like a Land Rover product) and you get all the technology of the LR3.
  • gw123gw123 Posts: 64
    I own a ML320 and have an LR3 on order. I think one of the appeals of the LR3 is going to be what I consider to be the best third row seating configuration in the market.

    Until the Acura MDX/Pilot came along, Mercedes had one of the best third row seats for a mid-sized SUV. The problem with many third row seats is that there is no additional foot room. The Lexus (which does make a great car, I also own a LS430) SUVs have an absolutely terrible third row seat configuration. They basically took a 5 seat SUV with a large flat rear deck and stuck two fold down seats on top the deck - so your knees touch your chin for any adult who is foolish enough to try to get into the third row.

    Mercedes has a "cut-out" for the third row which allows a person's feet to be on the same floor level as the other two rows. The problem with the Mercedes seats is that they fold up and block the rear side windows to get out of the way (cuts visibility significantly). Or, the seats fold down in a way that most things you put on top of the third row seat back slides off to the back, and then falls out when you open the liftgate.

    The LR3 has great third row space for a mid-sized SUV. Lexus offers no decent third row, and the GX has a left opening rear door that requires a lot of clearance behind the SUV when opening the door.

    The Acura/Pilot has a decent third row configuration (but still smaller than the LR3). Volvo's third row is useless except for small children.

    So unless you are willing to "go large", like an Infiniti QX56/Nissan Armada or other large SUVs, there really isn't another product on the market that has a decent third row for large kids or adults (Acura/Honda as the other option). Fold flat seats are so much better than the Mercedes or Lexus designs.

    The LR3 rear door design is also very smart.

    The visibility from the driver's seat is excellent.

    All in all, a great design. Now let's hope the quality matches the great design.

    By the way, stay away from the ML. Way too many problems to even begin to list.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Fully agree with your assessment of third row seating.

    For you, coming out of a M-class (worst reliability of any Mercedes model), the LR3 is probably a reasonable risk. However, I am comparing to the Acura and the Land Rover reliability factor is a major concern.
  • gw123gw123 Posts: 64
    Thanks for the encouraging words that the LR3 should at least be better than the M-class.

    A neighbor of mine has an Acura and has a number of complaints and problems with the quality of their MDX. Even my Lexus LS430 just had a recall where they replaced the transmission (and their quality ratings across the board are excellent). I think any vehicle you get is likely to have some problems.

    But, if reliability is a key concern, I would think the Acura would be less risky than the LR3. Size-wise, the Acura is still a little on the small side if you need to use all 7 seats (about the same as the M-class). Their fold flat configuration is much better than the M-class.

    Perhaps is all the glass in the LR3, but the inside just seems much larger.

    One problem we have is with transporting kids to school. By the time they put their full backpacks in the second row, along with any musical instruments, they really cannot fit into the M-class. We actually took the backpacks and instrument cases to the Land-Rover dealer and stuffed them all into the second row - and there was still room for the kids!

    Of course, we moved the front passenger seat up quite a bit, but that seat isn't really used when the kids go to school.

    We too have a tough call between the MDX and the LR3. Since there wasn't much improved on the 2005 model MDX, we priced out a loaded 2004. The price difference is substantial between the 2004 MDX and the 2005 LR3 (I know I'm comparing a 6 vs. 8 cylinder).

    In the end, we decided a MDX is just a better configured M-class and opted for the LR3. We may end up leasing the LR3 for 2 to 3 years to minimize the downside of it being a lemon. If it turns out as well as we suspect, then we'd buy it at the end of the lease.

    Good luck on your purchase. I think that you have the "best" 2 choices out there for a good 7 seat SUV. In our case, the added space of the LR3 ended up tipping the scales in its favor.
  • Just picked up our LR3 SE after shopping the MDX, XC90 and GX470. So far we could not be happier. People continue to stop and ask "what is that" and all have positive things to say. Smooth and quiet. Just the ultimate mid size 7 seater. Not even close if you compare all the features for the price. If you don't need the NAV get the SE. Dealer is more likely to work with you on price.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    What kind of price did you get and please post your gas mileage after you have re-filled a couple of times.

    My wife appears ready to rule out the GX due to the third trow configuration. The LR3 is the best, but the MDX is acceptable. Besides reliability, fuel efficiency is a bit of a concern. Friends with a Range Rover just confirmed that they have averaged 13.1 mpg over their first 30,000 miles. Other friends with an MDX cliam they have averaged 20+/-. We don't have serious off road needs, but do need an SUV capable of handling 12-18+" of snow.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    habitat1, simply compare the official EPA MPG. That's what it's for... to compare. They go through the same test.

    MDX V6 is 17/23 [19 combined]. LR3 V8 is 14/18 [16 combined]. RR V8 is 12/16 [13 combined]. GX 470 V8 is 15/19 [16 combined].

    As I posted before, we see around 14-15 mixed on LR3... and hit the EPA highway rating (18) on, well, a very long highway drive. (Note: My MPG determined using physical gas usage, not on-board computer.)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Thanks for the response.

    However, notwithstanding your experience that falls in line with the EPA estimates, my recent experience has suggested "simply comparing" EPA estimates may not be an accurate estimate of real world experience.

    My 1995 Nissan Maxima 5-speed, rated at 22/27, has averaged 23.9 mpg on 153k miles, and still gets 28-30 on the highway.

    My former Honda S2000, rated at 20/26 averaged 22.2 mpg for 18.5k miles and would get 30-32 on the highway at 75 mph.

    My current 2004 Acura TL 6-speed rated at 20/30 has averaged 18.5 mpg for 10k miles and gets 15-16 in light city driving, 28-29 on the highway. Clearly, while Maxima and S2000 achieved or substantially beat their EPA highway estimate, the Acura TL is falling well short of this "relative" rating compared to the other two.

    So, as of right now, I'm not taking the MDX's rating of 17/23 too seriously until I can validate it with real world experience. Your LR3 experience comforts me that, low as the EPA rating is, at least it's achievable.
  • Is the rear seat DVD entertainment system for the LR3 available now? Does anyone have it in their LR3? Are you happy with it?

  • gw123gw123 Posts: 64
    As I understand it, the DVD system is dealer installed. Our dealer suggested we get one installed by Best Buy or Circuit City instead as the cost is much less than what the dealer would charge.

    We did see the DVD in action on the MDX and immediately knew that we could not get a ceiling mounted DVD system. If you are driving while the back passengers are watching the DVD, you cannot see out of your rear-view mirror - you just see the back of the DVD screen. (You do see a little out of the sides, but imagine driving while you have something very large in the back area that obstructs your view - that's what the ceiling mounted DVD screen looks like).

    We decided to wait on the DVD. If we really want one installed, Circuit City will install 2 headrest mounted screens for $1500. Or better yet, just buy 2 portable 7" DVD systems for $300 a piece and let the rear seat folks have one screen each. They then could watch individual movies. They could also take those on airplanes or use in other cars as well. The only downside is that all the people in the back aren't watching the same movie.
  • New user, first time post. Planning to order an LR3 HSE, all factory options, and look forward to keeping up to date on this board. I've test driven most of the competition, and waited for LR3 release to make a final decision. Needless to say, it was worth the wait.

    DVD is not yet available, but will soon be as a dealer installed option. Local dealer here will also install third party unit in headrests. You can order it now with your LR3, build it into the price (so it comes with the factory 4 year warrantee), then dealer will install when available. If you do it later after purchase, just has a 1 year warrantee.

    From Landrover Customer Relationship Center:
    "From the factory Bluetooth will become available about 90 days from launch. There will be an accessory Bluetooth system and I believe it will fit all LR3 vehicles. The accessory kit will provide full Bluetooth functionality when it becomes available."

    Decided to wait for the bluetooth option, rather than go without and wish I waited for 2 more months.

    Anybody have the cooler box? If so, any details would be appreciated (does the center console look the same, is it about the same size inside, asume it can be switched "off").

  • ypshanypshan Posts: 103
    Here are some details

    Both LR3 and Range Rover have an external Antenna connection when using a cradle docked phone.

    If the navigation and PTI are fitted and the map database contains the phone number of that particular POI, a softkey exists on the navigation display to dial that particular POI. This feature is available on Range Rover and LR3 if navigation and PTI are fitted.

    As LR3 as of today does not have the telephone option factory fitted, so this feature (the ability to dial the number) is currently disabled in the navigations system. Please be aware that POI information can still be viewed on the navigation screen, but the softkey is not displayed to dial the number.

    The PTI system is proposed to start line fitment at Land Rover manufacturing on the first week in February 2005.
    With the lead times that the vehicle has from the UK to the USA, the vehicles will get to the USA until early to mid-March, however this cannot be guaranteed as it depends on the process and timings of shipping cars to the US.

    Unfortunately not all Bluetooth phones operate with the PTI system. During the LR testing, it has been shown that Bluetooth has not been implemented in the same way by all mobile telephone manufacturers, nor does the echo cancellation DSP (Digital Signal Processing).

    LR will soon be supplying an Information Bulletin, listing all the Bluetooth phones and docked phones which Land Rover approve with the PTI system together with the software version of the phones themselves.

    LR are working currently on solutions for Siemens and Sony Ericsson cradles, however the timing for release of these cradles is currently unknown as this testing does not start until the week of Nov 15th.

    Docked cradles are predominantly used for 4 reasons:
    1) Phonebook
    2) Call registers (missed, received and dialled calls)
    3) Charging of the mobile telephone
    4) External Antenna connection.

    With Bluetooth these features are not available.

    There is no formal marketing information currently available for PTI. However the list below details the PTI system features:

    Voice Dialling:
    Voice dialling, holds up to 50 names in memory

    Telephone Voice Recognition Commands:

    Phone dial number/Dial phone number
    Phone redial/Redial
    Phone dial name/Dial name
    Phone store name
    Phone play directory/Read phone book
    Phone delete directory/Clear phone book
    Phone help

    Telephone Sub-Commands

    Numbers 0-9

    Digital Voice Processing:
    Full Duplex communication, noise reduction and echo cancellation

    Multiple Bluetooth Phone Use:
    Up to 7 phones can be paired via bluetooth with the same PTI system.

    Manual Controls:
    1) Audio volume control through the steering wheel controls and via the radio faceplate

    2) System Menu access through the radio faceplate and the instrument pack if using the steering wheel controls.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Actually the cradles do not use the Bluetooth feature of the phone. The phone is hard wired into the system when in the cradle. The current cradle available for the 05 Range Rover accepts 4 Nokia phones, 2 have Bluetooth capability and 2 do not. The phones that have Bluetooth will work hands free without putting them in the cradle (with reduced functionality) or in the cradle with full functionality. The Nokia 3100 and 6200 will only work in the cradle.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    tincup47, can you "download" the phonebook from the phone over Bluetooth, or must you re-enter everything in the PTI manually if you don't have a compatible cradle? I haven't had a chance to play with the '05 RR PTI at all. (I think other car implementations I've seen allow downloading via Bluetooth.)

    LR/Nokia says they are currently only planning cradles for Nokia (obviously) and Sony-Ericsson. Isn't Motorola a big enough market? Odd.
  • I was informed by dealer that dealer installed DVD is available... Wiring is already prepped in vehicle... 45 minute install
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
     When the phone is in the cradle the vehicle reads the phone book in the phone. The phone book is not available using Bluetooth. You cannot download your address book into the vehicle. You can use voice dial either way with any voice tags you have set up. You can store these in the vehicle's voice contact list using the procedures listed in the Owner's manual.
     I was under the understanding that a cradle for Motorola phones was being developed, but I have no details. There are several Motorola Bluetooth phones that will work in the vehicle though. One other thing to take into consideration is that you need to have a GSM network service to use the cradles.
  • Time for an update on my experience with my new LR3 HSE. Its Java Black/Alpaca will all options. I’m a former Disco II owner. So far no problems and love my LR3. I’ve had ML and BMW X owners stop me in the street to look at the LR3. The third row seat is a hit! Kids and adults think the apline roof is pretty neat. Lots of power, handles well and very comfortable during long rides. The navigation system works well but I’ve had trouble when I use the “Listen” mode. Might be my mumbling. Observations:
    1) I’ve driven in city and highway driving in sport mode and avg. 14 MPG and I’m very aggressive with the throttle.
    2) Radar detector does work despite the wires in the windshield, not sure yet about laser detector.
    3) Make sure you have the navigation system set to accept Toll Roads! I found myself in interesting part of Newark because the system was avoiding Tolls.
    4) Still trying to find a way to attach a key ring to the key – using a plastic electrical tie. Understand there is a technical advisory out on this.
    5) LR3 uses conventional oil, not synthetic. Only down a half quart. Other fluid levels stable.
    6) LR3 wipers cost $36 – each! I’m adding the wood kit, running board, roof cross bars and mud flaps. There was a delay in getting the floor mats but I’m going trade for the rubber mats for all three rows.
    7) I’ve had seven adults in the LR3 and no complaints. Been tailgating and the split rear door is perfect! Provides shelter in rain too. Also, make a habit of lowering the LR3 to access mode before you open the door. The rear parking distance system does not engage until the parking brake is released (Nice Feature).
    8) I’ve turned off the feature that lowers the side mirrors when you go into reverse, just was disorienting for me.
  • I own a V8 Touareg. it is a fantastic car - in theory. Love to drive it but it has had one thing after another go wrong with it - and this is the second one I have had (VOA bought the first lemon back).

    So, I am now looking at the LR3. After having a test drive I can tell you that the extra space in the car, the seats, the 7 passenger seating, NAV system are all superior to the Touareg. The Touareg (V8) is faster off the line, has less highway noise, and has far less body roll in turns than the LR3.

    Even so, I am hoping that reliability of the LR3 is better than the Touareg. (For the full Touareg story visit my web site
  • ajn999ajn999 Posts: 16
    Great info. I've had mine for a week and I'm up to 13 mpg. Hope it gets better. Can I ask how much is your dealer charging to install the woodkit? Ebay has a few vendors selling nice factory type kits for $210 but you have to install
    yourself. I have the SE model with no wood at all.

    I know the key thing is really silly. The funny thing is my dealer gave me a nice key ring that is absolutely useless!
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    Land Rover kit items include installation in the price. The LR OEM "wood" fascia kit has real wood, and is a little nicer than just silly wood looking stickers. I'm not a wood fan at all, so I thank LR for not adding it stock. ;)
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    lr3dude or anyone, does the HSE "Premium ICE" head unit display text from audio CDs that have it (CD Text: Album Name, Song Title, etc.) or track tag information from MP3 files? The SE "High ICE" system doesn't seem to. With the 6-disc changer, it's nice to know what is playing... especially if you start encoding multiple CDs into MP3 files. The FM tuner does support RDS text information, though.

    (On a side note, does the '05 Range Rover show any of the info? It does have that nice touch screen radio GUI.)
  • We have been between a Lexus GX470 and the LR3 and have decided to go with LR3. Can anyone share what prices they paid or how much off MRSP or above Invoice they paid?
  • bobt1bobt1 Posts: 2
    Although the LR3 is a great vehicle in many ways, it really saddens me to read many of the posts in this thread.

    Third row seats, gas mileage, DVD system, ride quality, yadada...

    If these are your main concerns with buying a new vehicle, buy a freakin' mini van. They will meet your requirements a heck of a lot better the the Land Rover.

    Although Land Rover has compromised the LR3 with giving it IFS and IFR, it still has pretty decent off road abilities. I would have prefered to select most of the functions handled by the terrain response system, overall it still has a lot of decent technology with the locking center and rear dif's, traction control, etc. Still don't know why they would offer the rear locking dif as an option unless again it is for the soccer mom's that probably would be happier with a mini van.

    The bottom line is this is pretty decent off roadable vehicle that has a lot of additional features and functionality. However, to provide the additional capabilities, it is not a car based vehicle like an MDX or such. It is a heavy vehicle with a complex driveline that will require more gas, more service, and have crappier on road performance then a vehicle that does not have its capabilities.

    It is just too bad most of them will only be used to go to the mall and such, probably never used as designed. Guess I should be happy since the people buying them more as a status symbol help make it viable product and therefore available to the rest that will use them as intended.
  • ajn999ajn999 Posts: 16
    Hello: I received a $500.00 discount on a 7 seat SE, but we bought 2 LR3's, not one
  • gw123gw123 Posts: 64
    Sorry to offend your off-road sensibilities. There are some of us that do plan to take the LR3 camping and to the mountains and prefer an SUV over a minivan.
    The fact remains (and probably for you also) that the vast majority of the miles (or time) spent in the LR3 will be for more mundane tasks.
    And for some of us, these mundane tasks are what we call life. Having a great 7 seat mid-sized SUV is what the LR3 is all about for many of us. Having a great off-road vehicle will appeal to other LR fans.

    Hope about we both just enjoy whatever LR3 features that tickle our fancy?
  • Been following this forum up to this point where I am ready to take a delivery next week of a LR3 HSE. I am quite encouraged by the enthusiasm about the new land rover at this site.
  • mmac1mmac1 Posts: 11
    To get back to the off road topic. Has anyone had the LR# off-road yet. Anything with thick mud, snow or somthing more than a dirt wash board? I am thinking of getting on in the next couple weeks and while most of the time it is around town, I use them for what they are made for to get away. Thoughts?
  • I have an x plan pin number that my local land rover dealer will accept now. I think i might be getting the raw end of the deal. What is the percentage discount usually applied on the x plan?

    x man
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    If you are eligible for X Plan you can look up the exact pricing here:
  • thanks I will look.
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