I asked Land Rover Service person (Land Rover Thornhill, Toronto Canada) and they said it runs on regular oil, their recommended schedule is to change it every 6K.
I have had mine for a month now and about 1000 miles. So I will try and answer some of your questions. First, let me just say you are buying a land rover designed to go anywhere and do it in style. Mine has been flawless since I got it and I haven't had to take it to the dealer or thought about it at all. Depsite some of the little things, I doubt that many if any would get rid of it. As for the accessories you mentioned, all the Land Rover accessories I have had experience with are meant for practical use before cosmetic. That is different than the others out there. I am taking mine through the snow skiing this weekend so I will let you know how it does. Also, there are some dealers here in AZ selling to Calif. people cause the dealers there have been reluctant to work with them. Mine wouldn't take a deposit cause they simply didn't have a good idea on what was coming in and therefore didn't want to upset people. I was on the lot when a whole truck of them came in, one was the one I bought and if the guy new it was coming, I am sure he would have told me before letting me off the lot.
My previous vehicle was a 4Runner limited. There is no comparison.
I am simply amazed by the comments about 14 miles to the gallon being poor. Did anyone read the sheet that came on your truck. It was the price tag.... It clearly stated 14 miles to the gallon. That is exactly what it said when it was bought.Of course that is not as good as the car you drove, it is a 300 hp V8... Like any car there are little issues. Most here seem to be very particular people that have minor complaints. But let's be honest, if we all weren't particular, we would settle for the bland and boring grocery getters like the lexus....
The owners manual warns that non-Land Rover tire chains for driving in snow are a no-no (might damage vehicle, etc.) I don't know if tire chains are available for the LR3 yet but they're $650 for Range Rovers which seems rather high. Anyone have an experience with snow chains? Am I tempting fate by spending a lot less at Pep Boys?
"Another major consideration is the Lexus GX470 is not 179 qualified. Doesn't meet the weight. Oh I forgot that Lexus accidently mislabelled the GX470 weight and had to bite the bullet on that one!"
Wrong. The GX470 for 2004/5 is over 6,000 GVW. I have no stake whatsoever in this debate of the GX470 vs. LR3 (my brother is considering the LR3), but I just wanted to set the facts straight.
Time for my third update. Have a black/alpaca HSE with all options. So far no problems encountered. I mean none. No electrical, no mechanical, no nothing. Just can’t attach the key to the key ring issue (solved with a mini ring).
Took the LR3 to Assateague Island two weeks ago, slapped on my off road permit and went for a ride in the sand and snow. Dialed up sand mode on the terrain response. Having 300 HP DOES make a huge difference vs. the old Disco II. Had to jack up to off road height because of depth of tracks in the sand. Found one 4x4 up stuck up to the frame in sand and had to dig out them out. They were glad to see me, although Ranger Rick was not so happy with them since they had no off road permit or equipment.
As for urban driving, being able to lock the LR3 into access height for parking garages is great.
Castrol GTX 5w30 is the recommended brand, but any 5w30 oil meeting API spec. SI/EC GF3 or better is perfectly acceptable. Fluid specification are shown on page 335 of the Owners Manual.
<<Another major consideration is the Lexus GX470 is not 179 qualified. Doesn't meet the weight. Oh I forgot that Lexus accidently mislabelled the GX470 weight and had to bite the bullet on that one! >>
Johnmajor, You still meet the limitations of 3 years to file a revised return for your 2003 GX. It does qualify for Sec 179. You were misinformed about GX or maybe you owned some other model. I dont mean to be busting chops but when someome spends $50k in hopes of 179 deduction should be in the know. Good luck. ;-)
Nope I know I owned a GX470 2003 model that Lexus purchased back.
A quote of interest! (Not mine)
It is for the business use SUV deduction. It has to be over 6,000 lb, which is why there are alot of dealer buy-backs out there (used cars)... because being right at 6,000 doesn't cut it!
When they did the "recall" and restickered the weight from 6,100 to 6,000, people gave them back.
this link is a year old, but in case you find it of interest...
Wow, I am really impressed with the LR3. I do not own one, but I test drove one after reading the posts on this forum. It is one nice ride. I was real surprised at how smooth the ride was, and the interior is luxurious, in my humble opinion. I can see a lot of people opting for the LR3 over cars to get the best of both worlds. And, I am talking about BMW 530, Benz 320E, etc... I thought the LR3 drove that well. And, when you throw in the off road capabilities if needed, it is pretty awesome. The only downer is the gas mileage.
Quite correct, outrageous, I mistyped the aspect ratio as 55 on the 19" Pirelli Snow and Ice; it should be 50 (255/50/19), which I suppose helps to account for the relatively low load rating, and calling into question their utility for LR3. I did see your useful post earlier, but could find no survey info from Tirerack on the Dunlop Grandtrek. I'm a consistent client of Tirerack, and have found their surveys reliable; Dunlop wintersports have been very good on my Audi S6--goes anywhere clearance allows in snow, but can't speak for Grandtreks. Perhaps the answer is dedicated 18" winter rim-tire combo changeouts for HSE. Best snow tire I've ever used is BFG All-Terrain TO, but unfortunately, no size comes close to LR3 specs. Anyway, thank you much for the reply; I'm still hoping for advice from owners on my other questions.
I've been driving my L3 in manual mode. It seems to get much better gas mileage than in automatic 15+ city and 21+ on the highway is the best. On the flats I start off in 2nd. In the city I keep the rpms between 1,500 and 2,000.
My family has always done this in the past with our older rovers. We used to drive ours in the hills of Jamaica in the 70's and 80's...
The short stop and go kills the gas millage. This type of driving I'm down to 10-12. The manual recommends going into neutral to help
This is the Land Rover we dreamed of having in Jamaica...
I was wondering what other Land Rover forums people are signing on to and posting. Edmunds is great but I am looking for a sight where I can upload pictures and just get more information. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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This is why I'm looking into snow tires for the LR3 (I live in New Hampshire). Using low range is also a bad idea--better to put it in 2nd or 3rd gear to reduce torque.
Well the guy who plows my driveway suggested I lower the psi in the tire 5-10psi. This is what he does (someone on here suggested this as well). I'll try that tomorrow.
Sounds pretty fishy to me. Our '04 Disco II will crawl up an ice covered driveway easily twice that steep with stock 18" tires - zero hoopla. Second point; I don't see any tracks in the fresh snow. If one really wanted to get out and the LR3 really would not go up the packed tracks, I'm pretty confident my rear wheel drive 540 BMW would run right up this drive in the untracked snow on summer tires. Reality check!
If the freezing rain and sleet saturated the snow good and it all froze to ice, you may need studded tires to get moving (and even then the slight grade may stall you out).
All the snow stories on Edmunds this last week sure make me glad I don't live where I have to shovel it anymore.
We'll have to get Nanuq's opinion, but I hear it's been in the 50's in Anchorage lately.
Wow, I find this hard to believe. I glad I could see the photos. I've driven up a steeper hill on compacted ice & snow with out any problem using the oem Goodyear tires. Also, you could have easily tried moving about 1' to the right and driven on the snow without any problem. Be more agressive.
Lowering the pressure is what you want to do on sand, not snow. Actually, a bit of sand on top of your snow is just what you need for traction right now, so put some down if you can. Otherwise, use momentum and smooth driving when it's slippery to get you through. And if you have a chance to take some more photos of your Bonati gray LR3 in the snow and add them to your gallery, I'd love to see them. This is one of my top color choices.
This is not at all a LR3 lack of traction problem. Rather its where politics and local culture meets the road. Its a matter of a blue state (NY) guy who can't handle red state winter conditions. Come on, I've seen rusty Camaros in Manchester and Concord running summer recaps handle more snow and steeper driveways. You gotta get with the program and adjust your thinking and driving. This ain't the West Side of Manhattan.
What does politics have to do with driving ability? I had no idea that all accomplished drivers lived exclusively in red states. Also, no one here knows if this was an icing condition that would have made it next to impossible for any vehicle without studded winter tires to traverse. Even with the advanced traction aids built into the LR3, there will be circumstances where it will take an experienced expert to overcome the conditions.
Sorry I don't live on the West Side. And I know our snow conditions here in NYC are nothing like upstate NY or Block Island.
I will tell the rest of you that it must have been pretty icy since the guy who plows my driveway skidded out in his F350. By the way he had a good laugh looking at my tires. After I mentioned that they are M and S rated he very politically correctly stated that they were not aggressive enough for upstate New York.
Picked up my green HSE Wednesday and it's just great. Only 250 miles so far so not much to report. I ordered it just before Thanksgiving so I guess according to the posts I have seen here thats pretty good. Problem with the CD player at delivery though. The dealer checked it out and Land Rover sent a replacement overnight, and it was installed the next day, all is well. After owning a series one and two I can say that the LR3 is a real new deal, nothing like the older models at all. I guess it will take the rest of the winter to learn and use all of the equipment available. Some time ago I read a post about the fuel fill not locking, well it does lock when the door locks are engaged, an improvement over the key deal on series one and the latch deal on series two that never stayed closed!
Hi, I had the same exp. twice. When I turned on the radio I notice there was no sound. I turned the volume up and still there was no sound. I changed the modes from AM to FM to CD to AUX and still there was no sound.
Without turning off the car, I turned off the radio for a sec. and turned it back on again and the sound came back to normal. I took the car to land rover to have it inspected and land rover reported that they found no fault on the radio.
I also had other issues with the LR3 HSE within 2,500 miles that I'll let you know about just in case you run into the same problem.
1) Radio has no sound at times (dealer found no fault)
3) Upper Rear Tailgate rattles on normal driving. (Special order part, takes months to order) Waited 2 months already.
4) Driver Door Mirror won't tilt Up or Down. (Dealer replaced Door Mirror)
5) Passenger Door Mirror won't tilt back to normal position after backing up. (Dealer replaced Door Mirror)
6) Passenger window rattles. (Dealer Lubricated the window frame)
7) Lighter Lid would not close. (on special order)
I also met someone at the dealer and he told me that the door molding on the passenger side fell off on the freeway and he had a suspension fault on his first drive off.
And we still love our car. I hope you enjoy your LR3.
So far NO GOOD for me! With less than 500 miles on my LR3 a loose fitting on the hose to the transmission cooler caused the fluid to leak out. This caused a "Transmission Fault" and stranded my wife and kids on the side of the road 250 miles away from home. The whole thing was a nightmare. I haven't any problems with the other gizmos because I haven't had the chance to use them!
saileast, you say you have a locking fuel door? Are you in North America?
All the LR3s I've seen so far in the US -- both SE & HSE -- don't have a locking mechanism. It's completely missing. Other markets, like the UK, have it. (Yes, it locks with the doors... like my Audi.)
If you do have it in North America, you are the only one I know of! I hope someone at LR figured out that not including the fuel filler door lock in the US was just plain stupid and quietly added it back.
Mine is so far so good with glitches that I mentioned in some early posting. We simply love the car.
Totally agree that fuel door should be latched when car is locked and this applies to some other features like auto-folding mirrors etc... It is unbelievable that LR believe that people in NA would not have much use of these fine details.
As an owner and leaning towards to keep the car for as long as my family and myself are happy with it, it is in my natural interest to see that the car be of wider acceptance in this market. When it comes to the acceptance, all these utility details are just as important.
Scheduled a service on 01/20 for my HSE at a mileage of a little over 4000 miles. I compiled a list of issues that I would like to have taken care of at the service or at least explained. Among the list of issues are the Locking Fuel Filler and the tires where I have GoodYear Wranglers on my HSE but all tire warranty comes in as for Micheline. I will have an update on these things after the service.
Due to the fact that I'm a blue state guy I took my LR3 to a car wash last night. After all there is nothing us prissy's in NYC hate more then a dirty car. Well I know blkislandguy will tell me I had it coming but when I left the car was missing the piece that cover's the drivers side door handle/lock. You know the smaller part of the door handle, that you remove to expose the lock. Just thought I'd mention this, I know someone else on here did as well, since it seems that this piece is attached rather flimsily...
Well I was mistaken, the fuel door does not lock. I was told by the dealer it did. I just checked it and you are correct it does not lock. I'll call him today and see what he has to say. Sorry for the miss information.
"The worst is when you have rain (or just warm temps) on top of existing ice."
Yes, it seems that this was the problem. Most of Saturday, when I tried to get out, was freezing rain. It was a couple of inches of icy slush on top of 3 inches or so of snow/ice.
The HSE continues to impress me.. am loving it more every time I drive it.
One issue continues: I got the Land Rover DVD system, but am unable to get it to play through the audio system speakers. According to the manual, you select that function on the DVD, then select Auxillary Input on the main system. For me, this doesn't work, although the two wireless headphones and the two wired headphone ports on the DVD work fine.
The dealership is looking into this. Has anyone else with the DVD gotten it to work through their speakers?
There is an issue with this that is having a fix investigated. When it is validated there will be a TIB issued to allow customers who have had the DVD installed to repair this fault.
Underneath the door lock cover are two white plastic clips that hold it firmly in place. When LR ships the car to the dealer all of these covers are removed. Well I found out that two of them on my SE had been broken. I could tell because one of the little white clips was broken off. My sales guy said he has broken two already during demonstration. They still hold on but I can see that they could fall off with some force. Its no big deal since I am already getting 2 replacements plus an extra. Other then that my cars been great, Winch and All!!
My LR3 SE came with about every package but the offroad package. As you guys surely know it consists of a full size steel rim spare and a rear locking differential. Anyway, I dont need the rear locking diff but a full size spare would come in handy when off roading a hundred miles away from civilization. So I went to my dealer and ask to order a full size spare for my car. They told me that it was not possible to fit it where the space saver goes. I dont believe them since the spare tire area under the car is huge and why would LR engeneer it differently for a car with the off road package vs. one with out. Let me know what you guys think or if anyone has been in this situation.
I share your doubt over what your dealer said over this situation.
Mine has heave duty package and the spare is identical to the other 4 19" alloy wheels. I looked at where the spare stored the other day and I thought at the time the space where the spare was could even hold thicker and bigger wheels.
so sorry to hear that- interestingly enough, with only 400 miles on mine, my car in two seperate instances has stalled out while driving- it seemed to happen when I was about to make a stop. Service here in atlanta cannot find anything wrong. Your post in addition to one other is the only negative feedback I have seen thus far- hopefully your problem has been fixed.
My wife's been driving the LR3 for just over a week now. It too stalled once at a stop sign. We called the dealership who said bring it in. We're waiting to see if it happens again before tying up the car for a while at the dealer.
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My previous vehicle was a 4Runner limited. There is no comparison.
I am simply amazed by the comments about 14 miles to the gallon being poor. Did anyone read the sheet that came on your truck. It was the price tag.... It clearly stated 14 miles to the gallon. That is exactly what it said when it was bought.Of course that is not as good as the car you drove, it is a 300 hp V8... Like any car there are little issues. Most here seem to be very particular people that have minor complaints. But let's be honest, if we all weren't particular, we would settle for the bland and boring grocery getters like the lexus....
Wrong. The GX470 for 2004/5 is over 6,000 GVW. I have no stake whatsoever in this debate of the GX470 vs. LR3 (my brother is considering the LR3), but I just wanted to set the facts straight.
Took the LR3 to Assateague Island two weeks ago, slapped on my off road permit and went for a ride in the sand and snow. Dialed up sand mode on the terrain response. Having 300 HP DOES make a huge difference vs. the old Disco II. Had to jack up to off road height because of depth of tracks in the sand. Found one 4x4 up stuck up to the frame in sand and had to dig out them out. They were glad to see me, although Ranger Rick was not so happy with them since they had no off road permit or equipment.
As for urban driving, being able to lock the LR3 into access height for parking garages is great.
And what is recommended?
Johnmajor, You still meet the limitations of 3 years to file a revised return for your 2003 GX. It does qualify for Sec 179. You were misinformed about GX or maybe you owned some other model. I dont mean to be busting chops but when someome spends $50k in hopes of 179 deduction should be in the know. Good luck. ;-)
Thanks. The manual was not clear on whether this should be synthetic or non-synthetic.
A quote of interest! (Not mine)
It is for the business use SUV deduction. It has to be over 6,000 lb, which is why there are alot of dealer buy-backs out there (used cars)... because being right at 6,000 doesn't cut it!
When they did the "recall" and restickered the weight from 6,100 to 6,000, people gave them back.
this link is a year old, but in case you find it of interest...
http://www.kiplinger.com/features/archives...sub_department=
Moderator may delete the link if it breaches the forum rules.
Plenty of GX470's out there for deals (primarily 2004 models) & although the 2005 is a bit more limited at present they are still being discounted.
I love my LR3 HSE!
I've been driving my L3 in manual mode. It seems to get much better gas mileage than in automatic 15+ city and 21+ on the highway is the best. On the flats I start off in 2nd. In the city I keep the rpms between 1,500 and 2,000.
My family has always done this in the past with our older rovers. We used to drive ours in the hills of Jamaica in the 70's and 80's...
The short stop and go kills the gas millage. This type of driving I'm down to 10-12. The manual recommends going into neutral to help
This is the Land Rover we dreamed of having in Jamaica...
Thanks!
Christian
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No amount of transmission programming will help if the tires can't get a grip of the surface they're sitting on.
All the snow stories on Edmunds this last week sure make me glad I don't live where I have to shovel it anymore.
We'll have to get Nanuq's opinion, but I hear it's been in the 50's in Anchorage lately.
Steve, Host
Would that be Drive-Over Country? ;-)
tidester, host
Sorry I don't live on the West Side. And I know our snow conditions here in NYC are nothing like upstate NY or Block Island.
I will tell the rest of you that it must have been pretty icy since the guy who plows my driveway skidded out in his F350. By the way he had a good laugh looking at my tires. After I mentioned that they are M and S rated he very politically correctly stated that they were not aggressive enough for upstate New York.
The worst is when you have rain (or just warm temps) on top of existing ice. Even studs are marginal in that stuff, and forget walking.
Steve, Host
Without turning off the car, I turned off the radio for a sec. and turned it back on again and the sound came back to normal. I took the car to land rover to have it inspected and land rover reported that they found no fault on the radio.
I also had other issues with the LR3 HSE within 2,500 miles that I'll let you know about just in case you run into the same problem.
1) Radio has no sound at times (dealer found no fault)
2) Suspension Fault (Dealer reported leaks, fixed)
3) Upper Rear Tailgate rattles on normal driving. (Special order part, takes months to order) Waited 2 months already.
4) Driver Door Mirror won't tilt Up or Down. (Dealer replaced Door Mirror)
5) Passenger Door Mirror won't tilt back to normal position after backing up. (Dealer replaced Door Mirror)
6) Passenger window rattles. (Dealer Lubricated the window frame)
7) Lighter Lid would not close. (on special order)
I also met someone at the dealer and he told me that the door molding on the passenger side fell off on the freeway and he had a suspension fault on his first drive off.
And we still love our car. I hope you enjoy your LR3.
Peter
All the LR3s I've seen so far in the US -- both SE & HSE -- don't have a locking mechanism. It's completely missing. Other markets, like the UK, have it. (Yes, it locks with the doors... like my Audi.)
If you do have it in North America, you are the only one I know of! I hope someone at LR figured out that not including the fuel filler door lock in the US was just plain stupid and quietly added it back.
Totally agree that fuel door should be latched when car is locked and this applies to some other features like auto-folding mirrors etc... It is unbelievable that LR believe that people in NA would not have much use of these fine details.
As an owner and leaning towards to keep the car for as long as my family and myself are happy with it, it is in my natural interest to see that the car be of wider acceptance in this market. When it comes to the acceptance, all these utility details are just as important.
Scheduled a service on 01/20 for my HSE at a mileage of a little over 4000 miles. I compiled a list of issues that I would like to have taken care of at the service or at least explained. Among the list of issues are the Locking Fuel Filler and the tires where I have GoodYear Wranglers on my HSE but all tire warranty comes in as for Micheline. I will have an update on these things after the service.
Yes, it seems that this was the problem. Most of Saturday, when I tried to get out, was freezing rain. It was a couple of inches of icy slush on top of 3 inches or so of snow/ice.
One issue continues: I got the Land Rover DVD system, but am unable to get it to play through the audio system speakers. According to the manual, you select that function on the DVD, then select Auxillary Input on the main system. For me, this doesn't work, although the two wireless headphones and the two wired headphone ports on the DVD work fine.
The dealership is looking into this. Has anyone else with the DVD gotten it to work through their speakers?
Thanks,
Chris
Mine has heave duty package and the spare is identical to the other 4 19" alloy wheels. I looked at where the spare stored the other day and I thought at the time the space where the spare was could even hold thicker and bigger wheels.