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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767
    Michaell said:


    Think total cash flow.

    If I pick up something when the Jetta lease is up, my budget will be the Jetta payment ($226/mo), maybe a little more.

    If I can live with driving the Outback for 18 months - and, given how much I drive, shouldn't be too hard - then I can try to bump the budget up to $400/mo or so.

    I've found a number of CPO C300 4Matics, or 320/328 xDrives in the mid 20's around Denver.

    We had every intention of paying the Altima off in June and holding onto it until at least next fall or possibly into 2019 or repairs beyond normal maintenance started adding up. The goal was to bank that money for a down payment on a CPO BMW, MB, or Audi CUV and take advantage of a low finance rate. However the Acura dealer we visited last week is right next door to a Mercedes dealer and my wife absolutely fell in love with the GLE, which is the one @breld bought if I am not mistaken. She thinks we should consider moving up the timeline now :'(
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,496
    qbrozen said:
    stickguy said:
    @stickguy - I know it's not your color, but you get 0.99% financing for 3 years & a 6 year (from original in service date) /Unlimited Mileage Warranty & motivated by a sweet 328 hp V6 (not that I'm biased or anything).

    http://www.pepeinfiniti.com/VehicleDetails/certified-2013-INFINITI-G37_Sedan-x_AWD-White_Plains-NY/3065561213
    Nice Infiniti, but way too much for a 2013.
    Not bad, actually. $19.5k would be fair all around


    I know how the pick 'em 

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767

    @nyccarguy....I finally saw a TLX ASpec (other than mine) in the wild last weekend while driving down to Louisville, KY on I71S. It was white with black interior (have yet to see a red on red like mine....ANYWHERE!). We followed each other for about 20 miles and gave each other a honk and a wave, as he exited well before me.

    The Acura dealer I was at last week had a red/red A-Spec in the showroom, FWD though. It definitely isn't for me but the car was quite fetching. They told me they have sold 4 A-Specs with red interior (blue, gray, 2 black) and have 2 in stock, the red one I mentioned and an AWD gray one, with another blue and white one on order.
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2022 Acura MDX Type S Advance - 2021 Honda Passport Sport - 2006 BMW 330Ci ZHP
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,197
    pensfan83 said:

    Michaell said:


    Think total cash flow.

    If I pick up something when the Jetta lease is up, my budget will be the Jetta payment ($226/mo), maybe a little more.

    If I can live with driving the Outback for 18 months - and, given how much I drive, shouldn't be too hard - then I can try to bump the budget up to $400/mo or so.

    I've found a number of CPO C300 4Matics, or 320/328 xDrives in the mid 20's around Denver.

    We had every intention of paying the Altima off in June and holding onto it until at least next fall or possibly into 2019 or repairs beyond normal maintenance started adding up. The goal was to bank that money for a down payment on a CPO BMW, MB, or Audi CUV and take advantage of a low finance rate. However the Acura dealer we visited last week is right next door to a Mercedes dealer and my wife absolutely fell in love with the GLE, which is the one @breld bought if I am not mistaken. She thinks we should consider moving up the timeline now :'(
    @breld got a GLC - one size down. GLE is the new name for the old ML.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,197
    benjaminh said:

    My local BMW dealer has a 2014 528i xdrive for c. $26k. The original msrp on this was probably at least $50k? Seems like an ok deal, but then you have to add in the repairs, the high maintenance costs, the likely need for a new set of tires at some point, the need to buy an extended warranty, etc. Finally, the required premium gas and lower mpg is going to cost c. $50 a month more than the gas costs for regular on a new 2018 Honda Accord Sport 1.5T with better tech. Overall, even though on the surface it seems like you'd pay less compared to the new Accord, I really think you'd end up paying a lot more. But no doubt a BMW drives even better than an Accord Sport. And the seat comfort and sound system are no doubt better as well.

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2014-BMW-5+Series-528i+xDrive-WBA5A7C5XED615591

    I wouldn't mind that 528xi - if it's CPO, the warranty is fairly decent on them.

    With the number of miles I drive, I could have a 5 year loan on it and still only have 75,000 miles on it when it was paid off.

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,931

    @benjaminh nice that this guy had sutch good luck with his car! find that if you do a lot of driving your car will last longer! that has bin the case for all of my dads cars for years and all different makes!

    Jesus! I was putting 100+ miles/day on the Neon for a whole summer! Long commute to that Summer job. If it wasn't for that, perhaps I would have had to junk it prior to 50,000 miles, instead of at 65,000 miles.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,931
    jeffb0101 said:

    So, after driving the 17 Accord for the past few days and 270 or so miles, I can say that I like it a lot more than my 2012. 

    First, they have cut down on the road and wind noise significantly. The engine also sounds much refined. 

    The car also feels noticeably quicker, despite the fact that the performance figures are similar. I guess this has something to do with the switch to direct injection, and perhaps the CVT. 

    This brings me to the CVT. I actually like it much better than the 12's 5 speed conventional automatic. The 5 speed tended to hunt for gears a lot, and was never very smooth. 

    Finally, I find the seats to be much more comfortable. The electronics are much more with the times, even at the end of this model's lifecycle. 

    My only complaints are a bit nitpicky. The backup camera isn't clear at night. Also, only the driver window switch is auto up/down and backlit, and they now reserve the remote window down for the EX and above. Finally, they have removed the glovebox light and lock, along with the puddle lamps on the door panels. We have an 05 LX in the family, and it has all of the above. Seems strange that this would be left out on a car that stickers for only about $1,200 less than my 2012 EX-L. 

    Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to give my thoughts. 

    In fairness, the Sport is designed to cost-cut from the EX. I'd expect an EX to be well-loaded, a Sport to only have what is important to "sport."
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    An accord sport was really an LX with big wheels and a spoiler I think. So pretty stripped

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,547
    edited September 2017
    stickguy said:

    An accord sport was really an LX with big wheels and a spoiler I think. So pretty stripped

    Yeah, a 2017 Accord Sport is more or less an appearance package, although a little bit more than
    that—19" performance tires with fancy alloys, dual exhaust with chrome, body kit, upgraded suspension, bigger brakes, LED fog lights, spoiler, leather-wrapped steering wheel, metal sport pedals, leather sport seats with 10-way power seat, red instrument panel, etc.

    It's a pretty good package for $2000, and the tires and suspension really up the handling capability, and the power leather seat and steering wheel are nice. But otherwise it's a pretty basic car with 4-speaker stereo, etc.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,931
    stickguy said:

    An accord sport was really an LX with big wheels and a spoiler I think. So pretty stripped

    4 more horses, dual exhaust instead of one pipe, and tighter suspension (including extra cross bracing/probably bigger sway bars).
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    Started looking around at used stuff, but not seriously. I have to pay for the next six weeks anyway, so makes no sense not to keep using my car up till the end. Will ramp up the looking about this time next month. After seeing the accord of course!

    Unless something used pops up just too good to pass up, in which case I can always grab it. Until then, will make my rounds looking at stuff on my short (long) list!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    stickguy said:
    suspiciously cheap. Clean ones are in the mid 18s at auction. There was the twin to that one with just 9 more miles that sold for $14,300 because the condition was a 2 out of 5. And, anecdotally, every car I have gone to J&S to look at in the past 10 years has been in poor condition.

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  • jeffb0101jeffb0101 Member Posts: 53
    Yea, I knew that it was based off of the LX. The one I got was actually the Sport Special Edition, which includes full leather and heated seats. It is also not available with Honda Sensing, while the regular Sport is. Honda generally releases an SE model of the outgoing model during its last production year.

    I agree that the $2k ($3k for SE) is a great deal for the package.

    2015 Subaru Outback Limited 2.5

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    qbrozen said:

    stickguy said:
    suspiciously cheap. Clean ones are in the mid 18s at auction. There was the twin to that one with just 9 more miles that sold for $14,300 because the condition was a 2 out of 5. And, anecdotally, every car I have gone to J&S to look at in the past 10 years has been in poor condition.
    good to have the feedback. They have had a few things I was interested in, but I never had and feedback on the place. I will keep an eye on the stock, but plan to have anything I look at checked carefully.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    Michaell said:

    benjaminh said:

    My local BMW dealer has a 2014 528i xdrive for c. $26k. The original msrp on this was probably at least $50k? Seems like an ok deal, but then you have to add in the repairs, the high maintenance costs, the likely need for a new set of tires at some point, the need to buy an extended warranty, etc. Finally, the required premium gas and lower mpg is going to cost c. $50 a month more than the gas costs for regular on a new 2018 Honda Accord Sport 1.5T with better tech. Overall, even though on the surface it seems like you'd pay less compared to the new Accord, I really think you'd end up paying a lot more. But no doubt a BMW drives even better than an Accord Sport. And the seat comfort and sound system are no doubt better as well.

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2014-BMW-5+Series-528i+xDrive-WBA5A7C5XED615591

    I wouldn't mind that 528xi - if it's CPO, the warranty is fairly decent on them.

    With the number of miles I drive, I could have a 5 year loan on it and still only have 75,000 miles on it when it was paid off.
    I'd rather have a RWD 3er sedan or 4er Gran Coupe.

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    Still confused about the difference between the 320i and the 328i? Both have turbo's and are 4 cylinder vehicles, right? I know I've asked this question before but forgot the answer.

    The Sandman :(B)

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,547
    edited September 2017

    2018 320i Sedan Standard Features
    Performance and efficiency
    • 2.0-liter BMW TwinPower Turbo inline 4-cylinder, 16-valve 180-hp engine. Combines a twin-scroll turbocharger with variable valve control (Double-VANOS and Valvetronic) and high-precision direct injection


    2018 330i Sedan Standard Features
    Performance and efficiency
    • 2.0-liter BMW TwinPower Turbo inline 4-cylinder, 16-valve 248-hp engine. Combines a twin-scroll turbocharger with variable valve control (Double-VANOS and Valvetronic) and high-precision direct injection


    I think basically the 320i has a smaller and weaker turbo.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    different turbo maybe, but largely state of tune. There are also equipment differences. I think of the 320i as a stipper, detuned 330i

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  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @stickguy nice lees deal very strong that the dealer you whent to yesterday gave to you!
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @stickguy nice so the RDX is payed off all yourse nice nice!
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @pensfan83 nice so to new cars sooner than later!
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @andres3 that is an strong posabality! lollollollol
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @stickguy good idea to maby bye sum thing so than have sum thing for down payjment on nother car down the road but a lot longer would hold on to this car now than 3 years! and free up sum cash flow!
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @stickguy nice cars posted above!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,496
    qbrozen said:
    This is a better deal. Just no navi. http://www.jsautohaus.net/used/INFINITI/2015-INFINITI-Q40-ac7cb81d0a0e08bd2b29a57adae5e9a7.htm
    suspiciously cheap. Clean ones are in the mid 18s at auction. There was the twin to that one with just 9 more miles that sold for $14,300 because the condition was a 2 out of 5. And, anecdotally, every car I have gone to J&S to look at in the past 10 years has been in poor condition.
    I learned a lot when shopping for my Q40.  Originally I went to the dealer looking for a 2013 G37x with 10,5K miles.  I met the salesman, he walked me over to the car which was in the showroom.  I sat down and immediately realized the car had an "old car smell" to it.  It had been there a while and was about $4,000 cheaper than the Q40 I bought.

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    So either the 320i or 328i are still 4 cylinder turbos, the latter not as powerful. Now, from what I hear, the sports seats are the ones to have but on the used ones I am looking at, don't see that stipulated but think it would be a great selling point. Are they that much better? And my biggest concern is to get a new Elantra GT Sport vs. a used two year old 320i/328i with around 25K on the clock. Logically, the new vehicle is the smarter move but owning a BMW has a certain appeal to it, at least for me and would be the highest level vehicle I have ever owned before. A very perplexing situation because Stick and I like the same vehicles. I also like the ILX but since it's pretty ancient in many ways and think that a new one is not too far off. Would hate to buy the last year of a totally new design.
    So even though am not actively looking, think if I ran across a BMW in the right color combo with decent miles with plenty of warranty left, might consider the jump no matter what flack I might get at home. I still look at the BMW store's website just in case I see whet might be a good candidate. Just not sure I'd survive here at home if I put one on my side of the garage at this juncture!

    The Sandman :)B)

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    Sandy, my opinion for you is (also my advice to myself), don't settle for a cheap BMW just to get one. Figure out what you really want, and if that is out of range, so be it. they are nice cars, but there are many others that can wow you. I love the BMW sports seats BTW. But, have never tried out the regular ones for more than a few minutes, so they may be fine for you.

    My experience also is that sport seats are rare in a 320i. More common in a 328i, but only recently did they become standard I think.

    Try out the elantra GT if you haven't. The Sport model with the 1.6t engine. The base model is nice, but the sport is a hoot. and that one has fantastic seats. Plus with the short length, and hatch, right up your alley! In a year, could be a nice CPO option. It really is a well loaded, nicely executed car. And is a hoot to drive.

    I am past worrying about badges at this point. I want whatever it is that pushes all my buttons. Honda, Hyundai, whatever that happens to be!

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,547

    So either the 320i or 328i are still 4 cylinder turbos, the latter not as powerful. Now, from what I hear, the sports seats are the ones to have but on the used ones I am looking at, don't see that stipulated but think it would be a great selling point. Are they that much better? And my biggest concern is to get a new Elantra GT Sport vs. a used two year old 320i/328i with around 25K on the clock. Logically, the new vehicle is the smarter move but owning a BMW has a certain appeal to it, at least for me and would be the highest level vehicle I have ever owned before. A very perplexing situation because Stick and I like the same vehicles. I also like the ILX but since it's pretty ancient in many ways and think that a new one is not too far off. Would hate to buy the last year of a totally new design.
    So even though am not actively looking, think if I ran across a BMW in the right color combo with decent miles with plenty of warranty left, might consider the jump no matter what flack I might get at home. I still look at the BMW store's website just in case I see whet might be a good candidate. Just not sure I'd survive here at home if I put one on my side of the garage at this juncture!

    The Sandman :)B)

    I think a BMW is a special car to drive. So is a Mercedes, of course. Only drove one of each of those cars many years ago, and only for a brief time, but they are different and better than a Honda—and I'm a Honda fan. The costs are much higher, but they are something special. The badge prestige is not the big deal, it's the feel and engineering of everything—the seats included. My very limited experience told me that even the base model of a 320i has that "magic."

    If it's a dream of yours, I think you should consider a test drive at some point, and see if the car speaks to you. BMW still has good lease offers. Currently they list $279 a month for a basic 320i for 36 months, but that's with $3900 due at signing....

    https://www.bmwusa.com/special-offers/lease.2017-320i-Sedan.html

    One challenge with BMWs, as you know, is that options give them prices that'll make your nose bleed. But basic models, if you can ever find one, still have that basic goodness. That makes used potentially a good option, but maintenance and repairs can be costly.

    My local BMW dealer still has a leftover 2016 330i for almost $7000 off—but it's still 39k. Yikes. There's a nice enough looking 2014 used one with 55k for 21k, which seems like a better deal. Mr. Shiftright has sometimes said that when buying one of these cars enjoy them, maintain them, but then be prepared to just walk away if something big comes up. I think he was meaning it for older BMWs and MBs, but...Anyway, as long as it works with your relationship, I think it's worth exploring. Just my 2 cents.

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,547
    edited September 2017
    If I ever got a used BMW, it would probably be something like this from my local dealer: 2014 CPO 328i x Drive Wagon, 20k miles, listed for $31k. Looks good inside and out. With those kind of miles and in that condition it's one of those barely used 1-owner lease cars, serviced by BMW. Because so few buy wagons, my guess is that you could get the price down to maybe 29 or so, or maybe even less, and a new one of these with this equipment (panoramic sunroof, navi, heated seats, etc.) is about $53k or so. This nice little BMW wagon almost certainly still has c.75% of its life left in it, but you're paying about about half the price for it....

    What is the warranty on a BMW CPO? Is an added warranty from BMW a lot more? And what's the financing on BMW CPOs?

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2014-BMW-3+Series-328i+xDrive-WBA3G7C59EKN37838

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,547
    And here's a leftover new 2016 328i x drive with an original msrp of $45k marked down to $38.5. Very strange that they'd have one of these leftover. I guess BMW 3-series sales have really fallen. Anyway, you could probably get some more off of it, but are there any risks to buying a car that's just been sitting around for a whole year? With nearly free financing for 72 months, you'd have a monthly payment of about $475 if you put 10% down. Still a rather high payment for a rather long time, but for a new and fairly loaded BMW 3-series, that's the best deal you can probably expect.


    2016 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive
    MSRP:
    $45,295
    Internet Price:
    $38,500
    YOU SAVE:
    $6,795
    REAR VIEW CAMERA, BLUETOOTH, MOONROOF, SPORT PACK, PREMIUM PACK, DRIVER ASSISTANCE PACK, 0.9% UP TO 72 MONTHS!.
    328i xDrive Sport Line
    AWD
    8-Speed Automatic
    2.0L 4-Cylinder Turbocharged
    34/22 Highway/City MPG

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/new-Jefferson+County-2016-BMW-3+Series-328i+xDrive-WBA8E3G5XGNU01170
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  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @stickguy I am with you get what ever you like and that pushes all the rite butians for you think have said it menny times in hear before! lolllol have an good day all
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    @benjaminh nice vbeamer posted above!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,197
    benjaminh said:

    If I ever got a used BMW, it would probably be something like this from my local dealer: 2014 CPO 328i x Drive Wagon, 20k miles, listed for $31k. Looks good inside and out. With those kind of miles and in that condition it's one of those barely used 1-owner lease cars, serviced by BMW. Because so few buy wagons, my guess is that you could get the price down to maybe 29 or so, or maybe even less, and a new one of these with this equipment (panoramic sunroof, navi, heated seats, etc.) is about $53k or so. This nice little BMW wagon almost certainly still has c.75% of its life left in it, but you're paying about about half the price for it....

    What is the warranty on a BMW CPO? Is an added warranty from BMW a lot more? And what's the financing on BMW CPOs?

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2014-BMW-3+Series-328i+xDrive-WBA3G7C59EKN37838

    I like that! Great color combo.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    edited September 2017
    I do too. But still think that is way too much for a 4 YO car.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    benjaminh said:

    If I ever got a used BMW, it would probably be something like this from my local dealer: 2014 CPO 328i x Drive Wagon, 20k miles, listed for $31k. Looks good inside and out. With those kind of miles and in that condition it's one of those barely used 1-owner lease cars, serviced by BMW. Because so few buy wagons, my guess is that you could get the price down to maybe 29 or so, or maybe even less, and a new one of these with this equipment (panoramic sunroof, navi, heated seats, etc.) is about $53k or so. This nice little BMW wagon almost certainly still has c.75% of its life left in it, but you're paying about about half the price for it....

    What is the warranty on a BMW CPO? Is an added warranty from BMW a lot more? And what's the financing on BMW CPOs?

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2014-BMW-3+Series-328i+xDrive-WBA3G7C59EKN37838

    The basic CPO warranty is now 1 year from the end of the new car warranty with unlimited miles and no deductible. Most all of the drivetrain and HVAC parts are covered. You can pay extra for an additional year.
    And I'd take a one or two hour ride in the base seats before deciding you can tolerate them. The base seats in my son's previous generation 3er are awful.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,496
    In the next couple of years, there is going to be a very nice crop of nicely priced, off lease, CPO BMW 330i sedans & 430i Coupes & Gran Coupes on the market.  It's amazing how "the masses" are flocking to CUVs & SUVs.  

    @graphicguy - I saw my second TLX SH AWD A-Spec today on my way to work.  It was black.  Very sharp.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,120
    I like BMWs. I’ve owned 3 of them. But, once you’ve driven or owned their silky smooth I-6cyl turbo motors, it’s hard to step back to the turbo 4s. But, you’re knocking on the door of $60K plus with the 6 cyl turbo cars. And, for reasons that befuddle me, dealerships around here don’t seem to carry the 3/440i cars. Maybe the price point is the reason.

    I know there are Mercedes fans around here, as well there should be. They are very fine cars. I’ve come close a couple of times on a C Class. But again, the 4 cyl turbos in those, while quite torquey, are a little rough around the edges. I test drove a “dealer special” E350 several months ago (~2,000 miles on it, but never titled). Big difference in the way the cars feel. Everything was smooth. Once again, moving to a 6 or 8 Cyl Mercedes anything and you’re pulling another $10,000 bill or two out of your wallet to buy one.

    If you start fishing in the $30K-$40K pond for a new one of either of these brands, the “nice car” shine really begins to tarnish. The drop off is pretty dramatic. Not a fan of either the 320i or the CLA.
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,120
    nyccarguy said:

    In the next couple of years, there is going to be a very nice crop of nicely priced, off lease, CPO BMW 330i sedans & 430i Coupes & Gran Coupes on the market.  It's amazing how "the masses" are flocking to CUVs & SUVs.  

    @graphicguy - I saw my second TLX SH AWD A-Spec today on my way to work.  It was black.  Very sharp.

    Bradd....yeah, they’re starting to show up out on the street. My dealer said he’ll probably run out of his allotment of ASpec cars ½ way through the ‘18 TLX production run. He seems happy with the redesign as he’s now selling a lot of cars again......not just SUVs.
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,610
    Having just bought a BMW with the turbo-4, I'm going to have to put in a plug for them. While I love the straight six from my 2006 model, the latest iteration of the NA straight 6 (2007-2011) was no joy (that's what I traded in on the turbo-4).

    It's way smoother than the Mercedes, too.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    edited September 2017
    I loved that engine in the BMWs I test drove. The 2.0

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,547
    edited September 2017
    So the TLX A-spec is a hit! Interesting. Honestly I did not see that coming.

    5 years ago Honda and Acura didn't seem particularly known for designs with "bling." But now they've brought the bling in a big way to a lot of their lineup. But at the same time they've improved performance.

    Even my 2016 Accord EX has the bling-thing, with chromed alloy 17" wheels with a strange and yet amusing directional design, "chrome" front and rear, as well as other styling touches. And the Civic, of course, is now of all things overtaking the Camry as the bestselling car in America, in large part because of its expressive, bold, and sporty styling. The Civic Si looks a bit freaky to me, but so far seems to be a success in its tiny niche market of people who actually drive manual transmission cars with some performance. And now the upcoming 2018 Accord is also boldly styled and seems to be generating some buzz. Honda's styling choices seem rather out there at times, but we can imagine that the people doing this stuff are probably having some fun—and enjoying the sales successes so far.
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    benjaminh said:

    If I ever got a used BMW, it would probably be something like this from my local dealer: 2014 CPO 328i x Drive Wagon, 20k miles, listed for $31k. Looks good inside and out. With those kind of miles and in that condition it's one of those barely used 1-owner lease cars, serviced by BMW. Because so few buy wagons, my guess is that you could get the price down to maybe 29 or so, or maybe even less, and a new one of these with this equipment (panoramic sunroof, navi, heated seats, etc.) is about $53k or so. This nice little BMW wagon almost certainly still has c.75% of its life left in it, but you're paying about about half the price for it....

    What is the warranty on a BMW CPO? Is an added warranty from BMW a lot more? And what's the financing on BMW CPOs?

    https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2014-BMW-3+Series-328i+xDrive-WBA3G7C59EKN37838

    That is actually a shockingly good price. Mid 28s at the block, so they are only asking about $2500 over for a CPO.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,610
    stickguy said:

    I loved that engine in the BMWs I test drove. The 2.0

    The current X1 has a different engine from the rest of the lineup. It's the same size, but made for the FWD configuration that the X1 is based on. It's down about 20 HP from the one you most likely drove, but that's hard to tell when you drive it.

    The X3, 328/330 and the rest of them have the same turbo-4. 248 HP.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    I drove an X1 a year back, and a 328 recently. So not back to back, but positive memories of both!

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,610
    stickguy said:

    I drove an X1 a year back, and a 328 recently. So not back to back, but positive memories of both!

    I love the X1.. didn't seem to matter to my wife.

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767
    edited September 2017
    I need some reassurance from the CCBA crew I am acting as I should....

    For those that may not know I agreed to a deal on a TLX A-Spec before leaving for my conference. This morning the SM at the dealer (salesman really) I wasn't particularly enthralled with called and offered to chop off more money undercutting the deal in place, but not formally finalized, by $200 and offered the same "freebies". Got the "can I earn your business" question and I explained I already had a deal in place that would be finalized when I return to town later this week. He said he would still send me the worksheet confirming our conversation.

    I already sent Dealer #1 all of the essentials (license, insurance) and they took my credit app electronically but presumably haven't run my credit because I haven't received an email alert. Wife thinks I should go with the lower offer "because it's what I wanted" but I don't like compromising my word and reneging for just a few hundred dollars when Dealer #1 had their shot.

    Someone else tell me I am doing the right thing sticking with the dealer I agreed with....

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    kyfdx said:

    pensfan83 said:

    I need some reassurance from the CCBA crew I am acting as I should....

    For those that may not know I agreed to a deal on a TLX A-Spec before leaving for my conference. This morning the SM at the dealer (salesman really) I wasn't particularly enthralled with called and offered to chop off more money undercutting the deal in place, but not formally finalized, by $200 and offered the same "freebies". Got the "can I earn your business" question and I explained I already had a deal in place that would be finalized when I return to town later this week. He said he would still send me the worksheet confirming our conversation.

    I already sent Dealer #1 all of the essentials (license, insurance) and they took my credit app electronically but presumably haven't run my credit because I haven't received an email alert. Wife thinks I should go with the lower offer "because it's what I wanted" but I don't like compromising my word and reneging for just a few hundred dollars when Dealer #1 had their shot.

    Someone else tell me I am doing the right thing sticking with the dealer I agreed with....

    Steve

    Forget the guy you don't like. $200? psshhh
    I agree; don't reward the jerk. Who knows what other games he might play?

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,197
    kyfdx said:

    pensfan83 said:

    I need some reassurance from the CCBA crew I am acting as I should....

    For those that may not know I agreed to a deal on a TLX A-Spec before leaving for my conference. This morning the SM at the dealer (salesman really) I wasn't particularly enthralled with called and offered to chop off more money undercutting the deal in place, but not formally finalized, by $200 and offered the same "freebies". Got the "can I earn your business" question and I explained I already had a deal in place that would be finalized when I return to town later this week. He said he would still send me the worksheet confirming our conversation.

    I already sent Dealer #1 all of the essentials (license, insurance) and they took my credit app electronically but presumably haven't run my credit because I haven't received an email alert. Wife thinks I should go with the lower offer "because it's what I wanted" but I don't like compromising my word and reneging for just a few hundred dollars when Dealer #1 had their shot.

    Someone else tell me I am doing the right thing sticking with the dealer I agreed with....

    Steve

    Forget the guy you don't like. $200? psshhh
    +1.

    That's what, $5-6/mo?

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