Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

nyccarguy

au1994 said:

benjaminh said:

qbrozen said:

So I reached out yesterday to a broker's Infiniti dealer contact. The offer was not nearly as good as I thought it would be based on deals I have seen posted.

2019 Q50 MSRP $44,395
39mo 15k miles per year $348 per month w/ 1st mo, reg, taxes, bank fee due at signing.

Seems like a good deal to me for a $44 k car.....

I was thinking the same thing. Less than the 1% rule.

The 1% rule doesn't apply to @qbrozen. He's a 0.75% OR LESS rule kind of guy He's also incredibly informed, persistent, & willing to walk away and start over if his parameters aren't met.

Mr_Shiftright

Ah, the "power of walking"---it's awesome!

ab348

stickguy said:

Well, fir a premium priced luxury brand, no navigation, no decent connectivity, blind spot, etc is pretty bare. Probably not even XM. So stripped compared to the class it competes in.

Sort of a high-class stripper then. Probably has a heart of gold too.

28firefighter

I haven't heard this much discussion about strippers since college.

pensfan83

Something you became quite adept at doing

pensfan83

Well that comment could certainly be taken out of context. I was actually responding to @Mr_Shiftright but didn't post immediately because I got a phone call.

tjc78

It is nuts that some features are extra on a premium brand.   On 20k cars you have BLIS but on 40k+ luxury cars it’s absent.  

I couldn’t believe the TLX V6 I rode in the other day didn’t have it.  

graphicguy

tjc78 said:

It is nuts that some features are extra on a premium brand.   On 20k cars you have BLIS but on 40k+ luxury cars it’s absent.  

I couldn’t believe the TLX V6 I rode in the other day didn’t have it.  

What year was it? All the ‘18s and ‘19s have BLISS (and radar cruise, and automatic emergency braking, etc) standard.

stickguy

Base cars still don’t. At least 4 bangers, but I thought V6 also. Need tech package for that

stickguy

Does seem odd. Get the active, acurawatch stuff, but no BLIS.

pensfan83

Of all the safety nannies the TLX has I only really want the adaptive cruise, back up cam and parking sensors. I'm perfectly fine without the others.

stickguy

I just want camera, BLIS/crosspath. And that’s enough. I guess front parking sensors would be fine too.

suydam

I actually really like front parking sensors.

stickguy

Those are fine.

Mr_Shiftright

Passive, yes. Active, no.

nyccarguy

suydam said:

I actually really like front parking sensors.

Our parking lot at work shut down as of 12/1. I've had to park my Q40 and my Dad's Yukon on the street. Parking sensors & backup camera have been my guardian angels when parking the Yukon.

benjaminh

Compared to a base 320i the TLX base is lavishly equipped. The starting prices are fairly close—$33k for the TLX and $35k for the 320i. But once you add to the 320i things that are standard on the TLX, like heated power seats, adaptive cruise control, moonroof, Carplay/AA, etc., etc. the 320i has an msrp of about $40k. One of the few things the base TLX doesn't have is blis, which is a useful feature, but for a car with good visibility like the TLX (or the 320i) not essential imho. Where blis is really useful is for SUVs, which typically have small rear windows and thick rear roof pillars.

benjaminh

Actually a 2018 320i optioned out close to a base TLX is c. $41k....
Your 2018 320i Sedan
$41,695 MSRP as built
Base MSRP
$34,900
Convenience Package
$2,250
Premium Package
$3,000
Color
Melbourne Red Metallic
$550
Wheels
17" V-spoke wheels, style 395 with all-season run-flat tires
Upholstery
Black SensaTec

benjaminh

For the Mazda 6 I do like the light interior, although like all light interiors a challenge to keep completely clean....

stickguy

That is a really sharp looking car.

ab348

Black interiors are just as hard if not harder to keep clean, since every speck of dust, lint, pet hair, etc stands out. I have never had a problem with keeping light interiors clean. However, I never worked as a chimney sweep or as a coal miner, so YMMV.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

That is a really sharp looking car.

Yeah. And that's just the Sport model with the auto trans. Just a $24k msrp, and without negotiation they've already marked it down to $22. Beautiful looking and functional car for that price. The turbo would be nice, but the standard engine is probably good enough.

I'm warming up to the eccentric placement of the volume knob in the middle of the center console. It's different, anyway!

breld

tbirdmarco said:

Breld.  Haven’t heard from you in quite some time glad to hear from you finally, glad you have the plates on your car is pretty much now, which ones leaving the sweet now before the end of the year? Ha ha Ha. 

Yeah, things are pretty quiet here on the car fleet front.  I think we can make it through the rest of 2018 without another change.  

tifighter

breld said:

tbirdmarco said:

Breld.  Haven’t heard from you in quite some time glad to hear from you finally, glad you have the plates on your car is pretty much now, which ones leaving the sweet now before the end of the year? Ha ha Ha. 

Yeah, things are pretty quiet here on the car fleet front.  I think we can make it through the rest of 2018 without another change.  

Hmm. Do I take the bet on Xmas or New Year's???

nyccarguy

breld said:

tbirdmarco said:

Breld.  Haven’t heard from you in quite some time glad to hear from you finally, glad you have the plates on your car is pretty much now, which ones leaving the sweet now before the end of the year? Ha ha Ha. 

Yeah, things are pretty quiet here on the car fleet front.  I THINK we can make it through the rest of 2018 without another change.  

nyccarguy

breld said:

tbirdmarco said:

Breld.  Haven’t heard from you in quite some time glad to hear from you finally, glad you have the plates on your car is pretty much now, which ones leaving the sweet now before the end of the year? Ha ha Ha. 

Yeah, things are pretty quiet here on the car fleet front.  I think We can make it through the rest of 2018 without another change.  

stickguy

Hard to decide what to get when you can’t narrow down what you really want. I should get a job at a used car lot where I can take something different home on a regular basis.

tifighter

I'm guessing we all like cars around here enough that we can be open to a lot of different possibilities. It can make narrowing down a choice pretty hard, and sticking with one even harder. Once in a blue moon, though, you drive something and immediately think "oh yeah, game over. Sign me up." You just know it. Those are rare, but fun...

stickguy

That’s why I spend a lot of time looking. Well, besides being fun. At some point I’ll sit in a car that feels perfect, then drives great, and it’s all over.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

pics are up:
https://www.circlebmw.com/inventory/used-2018-bmw-x2-xdrive28i-sports-activity-vehicle-awd-sport-utility-wbxyj5c3xjef76207

At least it's the right color on the inside; I guess I can forgive it being black on the outside.

xwesx

pensfan83 said:

Well that comment could certainly be taken out of context. I was actually responding to @Mr_Shiftright but didn't post immediately because I got a phone call.

True, but it landed in a hilariously opportune place!

benjaminh

2019 TLX in San Marino red....

nyccarguy

benjaminh said:

2019 TLX in San Marino red....

SEXY

benjaminh

Tesla Model X....These are cool but weird looking imho. Almost like a futuristic mutated VW bug.

qbrozen

UGH!! Well, that was a massive waste of time! The website is wrong and the X2 we worked a deal on does NOT have a moonroof. I didn't even realize until we were test driving it. Went back and she messed around with her inventory to see if anything would work, but of course nothing would. Talked wife into testing a 320xi, but she ruled it out for sitting too low (lower than the S60, which I agreed with). Back yet again to the drawing board!

BUT, at least I got some interesting news from it. She informed me there is a secret conquest rebate of $1k on certain models, and the X2 and X1 are on that list. Hmmmm...

28firefighter

Was the OL code going to work? If it doesn't work for you and @stickguy can live without a moonroof, then maybe he can take this one?

pensfan83

What happened with the odd color one in Pittsburgh? Was that the one that had the massive residual hit?

28firefighter

And yes, @qbrozen - except it isn't that secret; the $1000 lease loyalty/conquest is in the fine print on the BMW offers site. Looks like $3250 lease credit and $1000 lease conquest is available on X2. Maybe they're willing to do something on a new one?

suydam

tifighter said:

I'm guessing we all like cars around here enough that we can be open to a lot of different possibilities. It can make narrowing down a choice pretty hard, and sticking with one even harder. Once in a blue moon, though, you drive something and immediately think "oh yeah, game over. Sign me up." You just know it. Those are rare, but fun...

I like cars a lot and love learning about them and driving them. But there are actually not that many I want to own. For example, now that the Volt is being discontinued, what do I want to replace it with when the lease is up in a year? I really can’t think of anything comparable that I would like as much.

stickguy

I would do that red. Showed the wife. Let’s just say, not a fan!

stickguy

Oh, I can compromise on some things, but would have to be a true steal to give up my moonroof.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

I would do that red. Showed the wife. Let’s just say, not a fan!

What'd she say? What colors are her favorites?

tjc78

graphicguy said:

It is nuts that some features are extra on a premium brand.   On 20k cars you have BLIS but on 40k+ luxury cars it’s absent.  

I couldn’t believe the TLX V6 I rode in the other day didn’t have it.  

What year was it? All the ‘18s and ‘19s have BLISS (and radar cruise, and automatic emergency braking, etc) standard.

It’s an 18.   It had the Nannies but n BLIS 

tjc78

tifighter said:

I'm guessing we all like cars around here enough that we can be open to a lot of different possibilities. It can make narrowing down a choice pretty hard, and sticking with one even harder. Once in a blue moon, though, you drive something and immediately think "oh yeah, game over. Sign me up." You just know it. Those are rare, but fun...

I’m going to be all over the board come next September.  Lease is up November 7th, 2019

Giving myself two months for a killer lease deal on something!  My wife and I work in the same building and commute together most days so if I don’t find what I want by then it’s no big deal.  

If if I have to we always have my Mom’s car at the house.  That actually reminds me, hers is due back either Dec 2019 or Jan 2020.  I get to buy two cars, but only pay for one!

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

And yes, @qbrozen - except it isn't that secret; the $1000 lease loyalty/conquest is in the fine print on the BMW offers site. Looks like $3250 lease credit and $1000 lease conquest is available on X2. Maybe they're willing to do something on a new one?

Supposed to be $3750 plus $1k. Could be different on west coast? I couldn't find anything online about conquest. But she said OL is not stackable with conquest.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

Supposed to be $3750 plus $1k. Could be different on west coast? I couldn't find anything online about conquest. But she said OL is not stackable with conquest.

I was looking at BMW offers for the X2 for where your dealer was located and it said 4250 including $1000 conquest/loyalty.

And I'm pretty sure OL is stackable...

qbrozen

no dealer has argued with me that $3750 is the lease incentive, though. Where were you looking?

28firefighter

https://www.bmwusa.com/special-offers.html for ZIP for 07724

Michaell

qbrozen said:

no dealer has argued with me that $3750 is the lease incentive, though. Where were you looking?

The incentive is regional - $3750 in some places, $3250 in others. We have to look it up by ZIP code to know which is in play where.

stickguy

Got a test drive in today on a used version of a dark horse contender. Was pleasantly surprised. Plan to stop and scope out a new one later or tomorrow.