Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

roadburner

28firefighter said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

I want to say that @roadburner provided some context and background for the decision, but for the life of me, I don't remember what it is.

Context? I think that is obvious. Money grab

I meant more in terms of why they went to a monthly fee model for it vs. the upfront cost. Charging for it at all is clearly a money grab.

I always got the impression that BMW only offered CarPlay because everyone else was doing it. Since BMW forced you to buy navigation in order to get CarPlay, I thought it was redundant at best. I actually prefer BMW's Professional Navigation system to CarPlay anyway- in my 2014 I can access Siri as well as several other useful apps. And when I was working at BMW it seemed that even the most zealous disciples from the First Church of Apple felt the same way. As I see it, CarPlay is best suited to cars that don't already have an elaborate infotainment system.

Michaell

henryn said:

28firefighter said:

Correct - you need to do the due diligence and reach out proactively. It is absolutely possible to lease, and lease very well, in Texas. It just takes time and patience. Some of the best Alfa Stelvio deals back in August came out of TX.

28firefighter said:

Some of the manufacturers handout tax credits on leases in Texas - for example I know BMW and Alfa Romeo do. Something to do with getting credit from the state for lease returns? In that case, it can drop the tax liability to 1% or less of the sale price over the course of the lease. But, you have to ask and you have to time it just right.

I am definitely not interested in any Alfa. Maybe a BMW. Actually, an Infiniti would be more likely. Does Infiniti ever do any of that "tax credit in Texas" stuff? That would be quite interesting.

Usually, we see the tax credits available at luxury brands in TX. No idea when, or why, they start or stop.

But, they drop the tax rate from 6.25% down to 1.25%

nyccarguy

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:

So for $400 you could have a loaded Infiniti or loaded Mazda... hmm. That Q50 won't last.

Is that Q50 the 4 cal or the 3.0T? I don't know that it would be loaded. Safety tech, nice stereo, etc are for the upper option categories. Not saying the Q50 isn't a nice car. I owned one. Just that they don't come equipped like the TLX SH AWD Tech would come. I do agree with you @breld. The Q60s are the "looker" in the entire Infiniti lineup. They're sharp.

The Luxe would be the 3.0T... not fully loaded but certainly equipped and not the base model

Equipped!  Not Stripped!

tbirdmarco

Q  Nice car you stumble across there, hopefully it works out for you and the wife, even though it’s not entirely option as others you seem just like it. If not talking will continue. Hope everyone had a good day in here, they was busy but good, some good news my company settled the lawsuit against them, found out about that last Tuesday, and they signed all paperwork we found out about that today little over a week later, so now they’re trying to get clients back,    So hoping with the best with that, still looking out there to land my dream job in the automotive field, or lease to get my foot in the door and we giving a chance to prove myself. Have a good night everyone will check back in here later or tomorrow morning bright and early. 

tbirdmarco

Breld.  Haven’t heard from you in quite some time glad to hear from you finally, glad you have the plates on your car is pretty much now, which ones leaving the sweet now before the end of the year? Ha ha Ha. 

tbirdmarco

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qbrozen

BMW won't take new customer MSDs. You have to be grandfathered in.
how do i get an OL code?

It has 4k miles.

stickguy

sounds like a deal I would have trouble turning down. What color?

one drag is you will never see the blind spot package on one of those, and that is something we really want. base seats too? But if cheap enough, I can pitch it as my spare car and work on the boss to upgrade hers too!

qbrozen

Not sure about the seats. I have found no rhyme nor reason to which seats are in one of these. I have seen them with the same equipment list yet different seats. They have no pics of this one up yet. It is black on tan I think.

So,come to think of it, my wife has a certificate from work for BMW/mini. Wonder if that's an OL thing?? It has no monetary value on it. Just says to take it to the dealer. 

stickguy

made some progress today. Agreed to go to the outside outlet mall after dinner with the wife. Man was it chilly there. no crowds though! The payback was stopping at a car dealer. It was too late (and cold) to do the full auto mall experience, so just stopped at the Toyota dealer (TJC's neck of the woods).

thankfully they had a Highlander on the showroom floor, because all the cars outside had snow on them. So we sat in it and played with the features. Not bad looking (wife liked it). Comfy seats, and gigantic inside. We both just felt it was too big and bulky for our needs. So, we did not bother to drive. But, if you need something bigger, worth a look.

too bad, because killer lease deals available.

also got a quote (just for the heck of it) on an Audi Q5 (perfect color combo and everything). I knew that would not be cheap, but it was really not cheap! So that is out.

so, whittling down the list and seeing what I can. I have Friday off, so will mix a little christmas shopping, with trying to see the remaining cars on my list.

qbrozen

So it seems to be a fleet incentive? I can't find anything on the website about BMWs, but someone on leashacker says $500 for all models. 
I would like to know if still true signing up for 3 yrs of BMWCCA gets $1k rebate. Where is @roadburner when you need him?

corvette

I think it used to be that the BMWCCA rebate had a waiting period. Not sure if it's still true.

henryn, isn't the 2018 Silverado the outgoing model, and the 2019 a redesign? I would imagine the incentives would be especially strong on those, if there are any left.

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

made some progress today. Agreed to go to the outside outlet mall after dinner with the wife. Man was it chilly there. no crowds though! The payback was stopping at a car dealer. It was too late (and cold) to do the full auto mall experience, so just stopped at the Toyota dealer (TJC's neck of the woods). thankfully they had a Highlander on the showroom floor, because all the cars outside had snow on them. So we sat in it and played with the features. Not bad looking (wife liked it). Comfy seats, and gigantic inside. We both just felt it was too big and bulky for our needs. So, we did not bother to drive. But, if you need something bigger, worth a look. too bad, because killer lease deals available. also got a quote (just for the heck of it) on an Audi Q5 (perfect color combo and everything). I knew that would not be cheap, but it was really not cheap! So that is out. so, whittling down the list and seeing what I can. I have Friday off, so will mix a little christmas shopping, with trying to see the remaining cars on my list.

I wanted the highlander to work for us so bad!  They lease super cheap, but just aren’t big enough for our wants.

28firefighter

CCA is still in play with no waiting period if you do the 3 year membership, but does not apply to loaners. 

Your wife’s fleet code was suspended starting at the end of Q3 indefinitely. 

OL codes are usually from contests, test drive events etc. Search hackr to see if anything is there. 

stickguy

I did not try out the 3rd row (no point) but it seemed pretty darned big inside to me.

I did ask about the upcoming Rav. Should be out by January is not sooner. Looks like a significant upgrade. They had a current style on the floor (man, is that thing long in the tooth) and the wife agreed it was a much better size for us.

benjaminh

28firefighter said:

CCA is still in play with no waiting period if you do the 3 year membership, but does not apply to loaners....

Seems worth doing for anyone getting a BMW.

roadburner

Buying a three year CCA membership lets you take advantage of the rebates immediately- otherwise you have to be a member for a year. Rebate amounts vary based on the model and whether it is new or CPO.

28firefighter

@qbrozen try this and see if it gives you a code that works. 

http://seattleautoshow.eventsbmw.com/

qbrozen

went through the sign-up to get this fine print, which excludes me:

RESTRICTIONS APPLY. Customer must attend event to be eligible for the $1,000 Credit. Attendee will receive an email with details for the $1,000 Credit once registered at the event . Offer valid to registrant or any family member residing within the same household. Customer must present offer email to participating BMW Center in order to redeem Credit offer. Most new 2018 and 2019 BMW models are eligible for the $1,000 Credit offer. Customer must take delivery by 1/31/2019. Offer is available only at BMW Northwest, BMW of Bellevue and BMW Seattle.

28firefighter

My understanding is if it gives you the OL code, it should be valid anywhere. Worth a try. Worst they say is no. 

qbrozen

yeah, I'm going to try. I did get a code from it. Thanks.

qbrozen

pics are up:
https://www.circlebmw.com/inventory/used-2018-bmw-x2-xdrive28i-sports-activity-vehicle-awd-sport-utility-wbxyj5c3xjef76207

28firefighter

Q - did you reach out to Quentin to see if he could do better? Either on a loaner or new unit?

andres3

Anyone getting a new car under the Christmas tree? I don't forsee any changes as I have a Stage 1 TTS and Stage 1 Alltrack to drive. The Kia has 10 months to go. The wife is driving it.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

Q - did you reach out to Quentin to see if he could do better? Either on a loaner or new unit?

I did a couple weeks back. He said "good luck." Haha.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

pics are up:
https://www.circlebmw.com/inventory/used-2018-bmw-x2-xdrive28i-sports-activity-vehicle-awd-sport-utility-wbxyj5c3xjef76207

I dig it! Good luck my friend!

qbrozen

So I reached out yesterday to a broker's Infiniti dealer contact. The offer was not nearly as good as I thought it would be based on deals I have seen posted.

2019 Q50 MSRP $44,395
39mo 15k miles per year $348 per month w/ 1st mo, reg, taxes, bank fee due at signing.

anonymousposts1

stickguy said:

I did not try out the 3rd row (no point) but it seemed pretty darned big inside to me. I did ask about the upcoming Rav. Should be out by January is not sooner. Looks like a significant upgrade. They had a current style on the floor (man, is that thing long in the tooth) and the wife agreed it was a much better size for us.

What about the Lexus NX200? No idea what they lease like but could be a good option size/feature-wise. 

benjaminh

qbrozen said:

So I reached out yesterday to a broker's Infiniti dealer contact. The offer was not nearly as good as I thought it would be based on deals I have seen posted.

2019 Q50 MSRP $44,395
39mo 15k miles per year $348 per month w/ 1st mo, reg, taxes, bank fee due at signing.

Seems like a good deal to me for a $44 k car.....

tbirdmarco

Wow on the above.  Good morning all, have a good day everyone will be back in here later on this afternoon or tonight. 

tbirdmarco

 Nice stick on the car looking yesterday, so will continue Juan tomorrow looking forward to reading more about it. 

au1994

benjaminh said:

qbrozen said:

So I reached out yesterday to a broker's Infiniti dealer contact. The offer was not nearly as good as I thought it would be based on deals I have seen posted.

2019 Q50 MSRP $44,395
39mo 15k miles per year $348 per month w/ 1st mo, reg, taxes, bank fee due at signing.

Seems like a good deal to me for a $44 k car.....

I was thinking the same thing. Less than the 1% rule.

au1994

anonymousposts1 said:

stickguy said:

I did not try out the 3rd row (no point) but it seemed pretty darned big inside to me.

I did ask about the upcoming Rav. Should be out by January is not sooner. Looks like a significant upgrade. They had a current style on the floor (man, is that thing long in the tooth) and the wife agreed it was a much better size for us.

What about the Lexus NX200? No idea what they lease like but could be a good option size/feature-wise. 

No matter the deal, I can’t get past the new grill treatment on the Lexus models now.

stickguy

That would fit the bill. Maybe I should look, but my guess, going to bust the budget too.

Nice X2. I could live with that. Just needs either navigation or car play. Having neither, on top of no BLIS (and that car has huge Bs!), is a lot of compromising.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

That would fit the bill. Maybe I should look, but my guess, going to bust the budget too.....

What is your goal at this point—around $350 a month for a lease with only $1k or so das?

stickguy

That would be nice. But for something really nice up to about $400, since this is a celabratory splurge in a way. Going much over, like the Infiniti deal, takes more thought.

nyccarguy

I just saved 2 cars in honcker to see how things progress throughout the month. "Don't ask me why"

nyccarguy

andres3 said:

Anyone getting a new car under the Christmas tree? I don't forsee any changes as I have a Stage 1 TTS and Stage 1 Alltrack to drive. The Kia has 10 months to go. The wife is driving it.

Have you noticed a significant difference with the stage 1 Alltrack compared to stock?

qbrozen

benjaminh said:

qbrozen said:

So I reached out yesterday to a broker's Infiniti dealer contact. The offer was not nearly as good as I thought it would be based on deals I have seen posted.

2019 Q50 MSRP $44,395
39mo 15k miles per year $348 per month w/ 1st mo, reg, taxes, bank fee due at signing.

Seems like a good deal to me for a $44 k car.....

In a vacuum, yeah, its not bad. About $400/mo sign and drive. I've got the X2 lower than that, though, at this point.

stickguy

I still have trouble getting my head around paying a lot for a bmw that is stripped compared to a basic Kia.

I did check out an NX. About same sticker as an RDX but thru Honcker at least, about $80-100 per month less for comparable equipped model.

kyfdx

Honcker not available in my area.

Sucks that I had to agree to a credit check, just to find that out.

au1994

kyfdx said:

Honcker not available in my area.

Sucks that I had to agree to a credit check, just to find that out.

Yep, same here. You’d think they would check your zip code first before the credit check.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

I still have trouble getting my head around paying a lot for a bmw that is stripped compared to a basic Kia.

I did check out an NX. About same sticker as an RDX but thru Honcker at least, about $80-100 per month less for comparable equipped model.

Is there such a thing as a "stripped" BMW? I mean, in real life. I think it would be really odd for a dealer to order one that way.

au1994

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

I still have trouble getting my head around paying a lot for a bmw that is stripped compared to a basic Kia.

I did check out an NX. About same sticker as an RDX but thru Honcker at least, about $80-100 per month less for comparable equipped model.

Is there such a thing as a "stripped" BMW? I mean, in real life. I think it would be really odd for a dealer to order one that way.

My 2011 328 coupe was close to a “stripper”. It had the premium package but no iDrive, sport seats, heated seats.

28firefighter

Really curious to see if they take this OL code.  At minimum, it knocks off $500 and if they still had more room in the deal, it knocks off $1000 since they split contributions to get the $1000 - $500 BMW and $500 dealer.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

I still have trouble getting my head around paying a lot for a bmw that is stripped compared to a basic Kia.

I did check out an NX. About same sticker as an RDX but thru Honcker at least, about $80-100 per month less for comparable equipped model.

Is there such a thing as a "stripped" BMW? I mean, in real life. I think it would be really odd for a dealer to order one that way.

The 2007 X3 we leased was pretty stripped down as far as options go. The only factory options were the Automatic Transmission, Heated Front Seats, Metallic Paint, & Rear Privacy Glass.

qbrozen

But still options, so not a stripper in either case. And, really, even if zero options, its not like a stripper from another manufacturer. You get a base Nissan Versa and you'll have crank windows. Can you even get a manual driver's seat in a BMW these days?

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy said:

I did not try out the 3rd row (no point) but it seemed pretty darned big inside to me.

I did ask about the upcoming Rav. Should be out by January is not sooner. Looks like a significant upgrade. They had a current style on the floor (man, is that thing long in the tooth) and the wife agreed it was a much better size for us.

Some of the 3rd row models are deceptive. They have a third row, but no footwell. It's torture back there.

suydam

au1994 said:

benjaminh said:

qbrozen said:

So I reached out yesterday to a broker's Infiniti dealer contact. The offer was not nearly as good as I thought it would be based on deals I have seen posted.

2019 Q50 MSRP $44,395
39mo 15k miles per year $348 per month w/ 1st mo, reg, taxes, bank fee due at signing.

Seems like a good deal to me for a $44 k car.....

I was thinking the same thing. Less than the 1% rule.

+1.

stickguy

Well, fir a premium priced luxury brand, no navigation, no decent connectivity, blind spot, etc is pretty bare. Probably not even XM. So stripped compared to the class it competes in.