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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I see one B7 locally driving around Richmond (BC) by a fragile looking asian girl. I doubt that it will ever get used to it's full potential. :cry:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    In my area there is a tiny Asian woman who drives around with a little white ankle- biter dog - in a late model CL 63. What a waste of machinery...
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,339
    I see one B7 locally driving around Richmond (BC) by a fragile looking asian girl. I doubt that it will ever get used to it's full potential.

    What a waste of fine machinery. I loved that car...

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    As opposed to ... say, Michael Moore driving one?
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,339
    I'd like to see Michael Moore run over by one.
    Multiple times

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    But, rb, tell us how you really feel about him....
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    The only way for that car to be properly utilized would be for me to be driving it :P
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Best Buy yesterday and there were quite a few folks walking out with big-ticket items. There were some screaming deals, and I took advantage of one of them- a new Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma for 50% off

    That's awesome--I've always read the Pioneer Elite Kuro plasmas are the best. And they are not making them any more, is that right?

    Michael Moore--his 1st movie was "roger & me", right? About (according to many) the worst GM CEO in history, roger smith, & how he was driving GM into the ground back in the '80's I think.......GM should have listened to Michael Moore.....

    Plus, he's too fat to run over in your car......
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,920
    Plus, he's too fat to run over in your car......

    Just don't try crossing the drive-thru lane at McDs.. ;)

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Heh, so you think Moore has potential sequel material in Lutz and/or Wagoner?

    It's after lunch so I guess it's ok to post this:

    Michael Moore Calls Obama a "Superhero" for Firing General Motors CEO (Straightline)

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    Check out GM News, New Models and Market Share or What if you were in charge of GM? for more.

    Meanwhile it's a good thing this discussion exists or I wouldn't think anyone was buying anything, much less cars.

    Who's the latest?
  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    Does some interesting work actually. But let's be honest, nobody likes it when their secrets and dasdardly deeds are revealed. I'll admit that his stalking approach is a bit strange, the same as what Bill O'Reilly seems to be doing lately to folks who disagree with him. Sad where our appetite for news has led many journalists. Miss the values of the '50's where the truth and honesty were considered virtues and lying and being a hypocrite were just not tolerated. We were a nicer society...and a better country with leaders we could believe in who actually told the truth!

    Back on topic, saw an '10 Mazda 3 i earlier today in a strange color...almost redish greenish looking. But the evolution looks good and I'd suspect that Mazda will sell a sh-tload of these once the economy bounces back...a nice looking ride!

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    Miss the values of the '50's where the truth and honesty were considered virtues and lying and being a hypocrite were just not tolerated. We were a nicer society...and a better country with leaders we could believe in who actually told the truth!

    Ahh, nostalgia! But the past usually wasn't as good as we remember it.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Well. to keep my CCBA membership active, I was trying to convince my wife that a Boxster that landed on trade at our dealership would be a good fun car for her.

    It wouldn't cost us much out of pocket as we'd trade in her Civic and add two or three grand cash. Her Civic is nearly paid off, (about 3-4 tiny payments left). It's an 04 coupe she had since new with about 25k miles.

    The Boxster is a 99, 75k miles, automatic, not an S model, ok mechanical condition, ok leather, byt has some/loose trim pieces inside. Drives nice, sounds nice, but my wife still loves her Civic too much to give it up.

    Plus we're expecting our first baby this year, so the Porsche wouldn't be practical. It wold be fun, but we think the Porsche might turn out to be another Mercedes, refering to the bit problematic 01 C240 we had.

    That's the last thing we need as we wanna buy a place finally, andpay down off of our debt.

    Well, back to reality.

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    How much would you have to pay for it?

    I drove by our Porsche dealer early this morning to see what they had in the way of incoming trades. They had two late '90s Boxsters sitting on the back lot sans engines. That always worries me.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Boy, am I glad you are 3.000 miles away in another country. if you were up the road I'd be in "well, it doesn't cost anything to look" territory. Every so often one of those ends up costing me a great deal - not that I'm complaining mind you...
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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Probably $11k. That means $8k for the Civic and $3k cash.

    I can get my mgr to pay that much for the wife's Civic as it truly is in like new shape.

    But we're gonna decide against it due to the future baby/future house/future maintenance and repairs factors.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,920
    Plus... it's an automatic.. :sick:

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Good for wifey to use. She can't drive stick and gave up when I tried to teach her.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,920
    Then.. she shouldn't get a Boxster! ;)

    j/k... I can't get my wife to drive a stick, either.... though, she did before I got an automatic in 2002...

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    ... who can't get their wives to drive stick!

    My wife pretty much drove only stick shifts (VW Beetle, Nissan Sentra, Ford Tempo, Ford Escort, VW New Beetle) up until we leased the Expedition in '98. She had a tough time adjusting to the fact that when you took your foot off the gas, you didn't get a lot of (well, any) engine braking.

    Now, 11 years later, she's pretty much announced that she prefers an automatic, though I know she can hop into any stick shift car and get from point A to point B.

    I'm going to the auto show here in Denver on Sunday ... I'll report back next week on what was cool (and un-cool, as the case may be).
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    I actually don't think Wagoner was that bad, for a GM CEO, not nearly as bad as Roger Smith. And Wagoner did get $23 mil. severance when he left (I think), not bad for presiding over a failing company.

    Matt Taibbi has a great article in RS about the lunatics at the commercial banks, investment banks, AIG, mortgage brokers, etc. who created all the "toxic derivatives" that blew up their own companies, & the economy along with it. The auto execs were like choir boys compared to those guys.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

    Somehow I don't think the "blue collar" factory workers at GM, Chrysler, Cat, etc. are gonna get giant bonuses when they're laid off or fired....
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Matt Taibbi has a great article in RS about the lunatics at the commercial banks, investment banks, AIG, mortgage brokers, etc. who created all the "toxic derivatives" that blew up their own companies, & the economy along with it. The auto execs were like choir boys compared to those guys.

    Here's my take on the difference:

    The financial industry blew up because some folks got greedy, especially after the regulations were relaxed during the 90's. Credit default swaps and derivatives were the flavor of the month - nobody could really explain them, except to state that they were going to make money. And everybody, from large institutional investors to the grandma down the street, believed them.

    The auto industry has been charting its course for much longer. It's not solely the fault of management, labor or the sales climate - but all are culpable to some degree.

    The unions have some blame for thinking that they could have the same (or better) benefits in the 80's and 90's that they had in the 50's and 60's, then holding the companies hostage until they had their demands met.

    The companies are responsible in that they agreed to those labor terms (it takes two to tango!), knowing that their market share was eroding in the face of Japanese and European influence in the US marketplace, and for not really making an effort to compete with the Japanese, specifically, in the manufacturing of smaller cars that the public wanted.

    When $4 gas and the credit squeeze hit last year, it was a double whammy that the automakers couldn't deal with. The recent labor agreements would have allowed GM, Ford and Chrysler to cut their costs over the next few years, but only if the market continued to support 17M sales per year - AND that a fair percentage of those sales were large trucks and SUVs.

    The market has contracted to < 10M sales per year, and the relative percentage of those truck and SUV sales have diminished faster than the market as a whole.

    Still, I do agree with your point that many in the financial industry continue to be rewarded for their shoddy performance (unless you worked for Bear Stearns or Lehman Bros.), while those in the auto industry are gonna get the shaft.

    What I don't understand is why the unions are still trying to play hardball -- if the choice is between the following:

    1) reduced wage, agreed to with the companies
    2) court appointed wage, dictated by the bankruptcy court
    3) no wage, should the companies go chapter 7

    Why would you even THINK that options 2 or 3 are palatable?

    Rant over .. and, probably posted in the wrong forum, to boot.
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    The longer we were together the more expensive the car. And she always had to lease. VW, to Acura, to Mercedes, to Cadillac to divorce.
    If you have two kids, you don't need a tank to drive them to soccer. Guess it was my own fault.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The way I understand it, Wagoner's $23 million is a pension. If GM files for bankruptcy, Wagoner could lose most of his pension. Detroit News

    And it sounds like AIG is still on the ropes even after their bailout.

    I saw a blurb from Gallop that says that only 15% of people plan to buy or lease a car in the next 12 months. (December '08 poll).

    Y'all go buy something - quick. :shades:
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Michael more should make a new movie about GM. He probably could get the budget to visit China and some factories in Mexico too.
    I could imagine the scene now: Rick Wagoner sitting in rocking chair on his front porch with a Duke t-shirt on and a blank stare as Michael Moore asks him, "What were you thinking?"
    We know he has a ZR1, I wonder what else Wagoner drives?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Or more topical, what is he buying? Maybe a Mustang? :)
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    When Ford hired Alan Mulally, he admitted that he drove a Lexus LS430...

    I can only assume that, after 30 years at GM, Wagoner would have a nest egg independent of his pension. If not, he may be looking at a "drive it forever" car like a Camry or an old 300D. :D
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    The old 300D sure seems interesting...... I'm mesmerized by that clatter! :blush:

    The style of those cars is really timeless.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    Yeah, but I tend to agree with Mr. Shiftright on those--something that does 0-60 in ~20 seconds is downright dangerous on today's roads.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,339
    That's awesome--I've always read the Pioneer Elite Kuro plasmas are the best. And they are not making them any more, is that right?

    Right. Another high-end product line that bit the dust due to the economy. Had Pioneer stayed in the plasma business they were going to start using Panasonic panels, so the 9g Kuros were going to be the last true Pioneer units anyway...

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I went to the Auto Show up in Denver yesterday. Here are my thoughts and comments:

    1) A number of manufacturers passed on the show altogether - Nissan, Mitsubishi and Suzuki were the most prominent. While the program stated that the show this year used as much floor space as in the past - 400,000 square feet - it seemed smaller because they configured the floor in an L-shape.

    2) Crowds seemed as large as past years - though I'll be interested to see what the final attendance numbers were.

    3) What I saw (and stuck in my head):

    a) Hyundai Genesis - a supreme effort by the Koreans. Not that I'm in the market for a large, RWD sedan, but others on these boards have driven / bought one, and I can certainly understand the appeal.

    b) Kia Soul - way funky, and, IMO, out xB's the xB. Right size, quite roomy and almost infinitely configurable with factory options and dealer accessories. All for under $20K max. If only they offered an AWD version ...

    c) Jetta Sportwagen - I really focused on the wagons and hatchbacks this year, and the Jetta wagon really appealed to me. Perhaps with the TDI ... at my local station this morning, RUG is 1.959/gal, Diesel is 1.999/gal.

    d) Elantra Touring - I saw this last year, and frankly, I'm surprised that I haven't seen much press on this. Like the Soul, it seems to be the right size and has a fair amount of room behind the second row of seats.

    e) Camaro - there were two at the show - one a red base model (stamped steel wheels?) and the other a silver SS. Both had men in their 40's and teenagers drooling over them. Compared to the '69 RS my cousin owned when he was 16, they were very large and overwrought; but, will probably compete well with the Mustang and Challenger.

    f) The high end luxury marques were there, but they seemed fairly empty when compared to the domestic brands. Of course, the luxury brands were all tucked into the back of the hall.

    4) I stopped by the SCCA booth and picked up some literature on their activities. I believe there are a few posters out there who have done some SOLO racing .. would love to get their insight into it. Can respond either publicly or privately.
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Good points......& since we've already gotten so far OT: I'm reading Updike's "Rabbit is Rich", from 1981, with this Toyota dealer (Rabbit) in the late '70's. Updike's automotive industry, & energy crisis, references are so dead on if you remember that time.

    And it's all: people don't want big American boats anymore, can't afford the gas, want more reliable toyotas, OPEC has us by the N**s, In 1979(!). It's like Groundhog Day now, 40 years later.

    End of rant, I'll go on CL now to look for that perfect used Z4......don't need one, shouldn't buy it, only one car garage, but I could pay cash in the low $20's, so......???

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I went back to the Auto Show yeasterday with my wife and my buddy. The Kia Soul had more action around it than the new Camaro believe it or not.

    I actually think it's a great car for the money.

    Wife sat in the Nissan Cube which she saw pictures of earlier but was dissapointed with the plain plasticky interior.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    I remember the seat padding in the Cube seemed very low end, probably no better than in that Dacia Logan.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    I stopped by the SCCA booth and picked up some literature on their activities. I believe there are a few posters out there who have done some SOLO racing .. would love to get their insight into it. Can respond either publicly or privately

    Quite possibly the most fun you can have on a Saturday morning and still have your clothes on! The whole experience is just fun, and the mix of camaraderie and competitiveness is fantastic. Feel free to message me or email me.

    SCCA's solo 2 did kind of serve as a gateway drug though and I advanced to doing club track days and time trial events. Its a good time.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Rabbit is a great series of books.

    My wife has been enjoying the Kia Soul comments. (She didn't like the xB but it seems bigger). Kia sold something like 1240 of them this past month.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,339
    4) I stopped by the SCCA booth and picked up some literature on their activities. I believe there are a few posters out there who have done some SOLO racing .. would love to get their insight into it. Can respond either publicly or privately.

    I started out autocrossing but-like lilemgineerboy-I quickly graduated to HPDEs. I got hooked so bad that I'm now an instructor...

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    lol, first the base Versa was compared to the Dacia Logan, and now the Cube? Is Nissan moving downmarket below Kia? :blush:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    LOL nah the Cube is compared to the Versa, which is the North American Logan. I am sure the Cube or Soul for that matter is a step up.

    Speaking of the lowline Versa, I recently got behind one on the highway...man that thing looks like it has really narrow tires.
  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    The base Versa has 14" sneakers but the SL version we got one of our girls has 15" ones...a much better ride as I recall. Having 16" tires on our daily drivers, I can tell the difference in the Versa and the Accent my other girl has, which also has upgraded 15" sneaks on it. Did try the 17" tires on the Mazda 3s before we bought and liked the 16" ones better, as the sidewall was bigger for a more comfortable drive and the price on replacements was more reasonable. Larger tires can get quite expensive.

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  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The IS is doing great. Took it to Florida this weekend and it got 28 mpg and was stable through some hard rain. But we still have the itch for another car. Something fun to drive and relatively inexpensive. Almost bought a mini but the price got high quick with options. That leftover si sounds great....
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,339
    If you can find a leftover 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 would also be a good value- and they are out there.

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  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    If you can find a leftover 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 would also be a good value- and they are out there.

    I'm still jonesin for a Mazdaspeed 6 myself. I miss AWD.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    A month ago, weren't you talking about how they're prone to turbo failures, and the dealers are incompetent? :P

    Looks like I will be warming the CCBA bench for a long time, my house has decided it needs new windows.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,339
    A month ago, weren't you talking about how they're prone to turbo failures, and the dealers are incompetent?

    Yes, the turbos do fail-and the jury is still out on the upgraded replacements- although I haven't heard of one of them failing. And the Louisville dealers are incompetent- sales, service... Why, I can't even buy parts from them. I called the Neil Huffman store and asked the parts guy about touch-up paint. His reply? "We don't carry none of that stuff." Reassuring, No? Then there's Oxmoor Mazda, which wanted to sell me OEM front pads for nearly $100 over MSRP.
    Fortunately there are a couple of good online dealers and my selling dealer(Kings in Cincinnati) also has an excellent service department. The @200 mile round trip is a pain, however.
    In any case, I think I'm going to keep it a while longer. I'm going to fit some lightweight Enkei Racing wheels, Dunlop Direzza Star Spec rubber, add Hawk HP+ front pads, and hit several HPDEs this summer. If it blows another strut or has other mechanical issues it is GONE. Three strikes and all like that...

    Looks like I will be warming the CCBA bench for a long time, my house has decided it needs new windows.

    BTDT. We went with Gilkey about 10 years ago, they installed 22 window in @6 hours. First-rate work and follow-up service as well.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    We went with Gilkey about 10 years ago, they installed 22 window in 6 hours. First-rate work and follow-up service as well.

    Gave them a call--apparently, I live too far in the boonies for them! :D
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    my house has decided it needs new windows

    Good article in the 3/18/09 WSJ about new tax credits for "energy-efficient and renewable-energy home improvements". Includes "up to $1,500 in tax credits for adding qualifying windows, doors, insulation, roofs, heating and cooling equipment, water heaters or wood and pellet stoves to your house in 2009 and 2010".

    Hoping a new garage door of some sort might qualify, but I'm not holding my breath.....
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    I think a garage door that meets the standards will qualify. I've repaired and adjusted my metal door--just needs a coat of paint and it should be "near new."

    Shopping for windows, I've found a lot of confusion and misinformation about what qualifies for the tax credit (not all "Energy Star" labelled doors/windows will qualify). A lot of the manufacturers are offering low cost/free upgrades to a more efficient window so that the buyer will get windows which qualify for the credit.

    I'd really like clad-wood replacements, but my house isn't what you'd call custom or historic, so it's hard to justify the extra cost.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    I don't know what the regs are to "qualify" but I do know that an insulated garage door can make a HUGE difference! I put an insulated steel overhead door on my previous house and was very surprised at the difference that it made. The door faced west and the garage went from being intolerably hot in the afternoon to being very pleasant. :shades:
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The car bug is biting me ... they are giving some great deals on 2009 Accords. We have been offered a deal that's about $1200 below invoice for a 2009 EX-L sedan with manual transmission and navigation.

    They only have silver/gray or white/ivory in my area. silver/black or gray/black is my first color choice but not sure if it's worth it to go out of market to get the black interior.

    I would be adding the fog lights, rear spoiler, splash guards, body side molding ... and tinted windows of course.

    Should I jump or wait for my perfect montego blue 2007 BMW 328 with black interior, sport package, and manual transmission to come through for less than $22k ....
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