Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Mike made the Yahoo! news. LOL.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/its-a-great-time-to-buy-a-carif-you-dare-185759010.html

Mike Silver? That’s a made up name if I ever heard one.🤦‍♂️

corvette

I think I’d take this for a couple grand more than some of the cheap sedans posted recently. Age before beauty, or something like that!

https://www.mitsubishistore.com/used-Louisville-2019-Kia-Optima-LX-5XXGT4L31KG275445?_pcsourceid=182184a560aadb9ee684fc66a81a06f7&_vsrefdom=FACEBOOK&utm_campaign=pc_used_aia_pro&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=5XXGT4L31KG275445&fbclid=IwAR2aa2ll-mggeefHjBFq7LSzHx1ufD6JfJb43PEP-Pk-4SyS169hSrG8se8

stickguy

pretty cheap, but that is a low spec model. and steep miles. So tough call. But could make a good teenager first car and one to take off to college.

stickguy

this one, I love it. Though for a plug in, seems that it should get better city MPG? Anyway, RWD, gorgeous colors, super low miles. roughly 1/2 of original MSRP. almost 2 years BtoB warranty left. No clue how the e version drives, but it looks good!

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1439177

corvette

Love the colors on that BMW!

roadburner

stickguy said:

almost famous! I was quoted back around 2000 about a shopping experience. No clue at this point what publication though!

Edmunds hooked me up with a reporter from The Detroit News back in 2005 prior to the introduction of the E90; I said that the E60 and E65 model's "hideous styling and Buick-like cockpits virtually ensure that my next new car won't be a BMW." Which was true; my next new car was my Mazdaspeed 3.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

I think I’d take this for a couple grand more than some of the cheap sedans posted recently. Age before beauty, or something like that!

https://www.mitsubishistore.com/used-Louisville-2019-Kia-Optima-LX-5XXGT4L31KG275445?_pcsourceid=182184a560aadb9ee684fc66a81a06f7&_vsrefdom=FACEBOOK&utm_campaign=pc_used_aia_pro&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=5XXGT4L31KG275445&fbclid=IwAR2aa2ll-mggeefHjBFq7LSzHx1ufD6JfJb43PEP-Pk-4SyS169hSrG8se8

That’s high milage for a 2019 but getting a 2 yo car for $13k is nothing to sneeze at. If your prime concern was getting the latest tech it would be a no brainer.

My only question would be was it a rental. CarFax is kind of fuzzy on that.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

this one, I love it. Though for a plug in, seems that it should get better city MPG? Anyway, RWD, gorgeous colors, super low miles. roughly 1/2 of original MSRP. almost 2 years BtoB warranty left. No clue how the e version drives, but it looks good!

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1439177

Wow, 7k miles. What do you figure, a service loaner? Otherwise why the low miles on a 3 yo car? I suppose it could be owned by someone who only drove it on Earth Day but it might have been in the shop a lot.

Sandman6472

No!!

fintail

Basic year old Optima with 40K miles, which I think is a prime rental retirement age - likely a rental or from some kind of similar use.

Still, should have a lot of life left in it, probably a fine deal for what it is.

stickguy

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

this one, I love it. Though for a plug in, seems that it should get better city MPG? Anyway, RWD, gorgeous colors, super low miles. roughly 1/2 of original MSRP. almost 2 years BtoB warranty left. No clue how the e version drives, but it looks good!

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1439177

Wow, 7k miles. What do you figure, a service loaner? Otherwise why the low miles on a 3 yo car? I suppose it could be owned by someone who only drove it on Earth Day but it might have been in the shop a lot.

Car fax says personal. It was bought late (must have been a leftover) so only 2 years in service. Likely just someone that didn’t drive much. If there were issues, didn’t make it to car fax

graphicguy

qbrozen said:

Mike made the Yahoo! news. LOL.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/its-a-great-time-to-buy-a-carif-you-dare-185759010.html

Yay, Mike! This is cool!

nyccarguy

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

this one, I love it. Though for a plug in, seems that it should get better city MPG? Anyway, RWD, gorgeous colors, super low miles. roughly 1/2 of original MSRP. almost 2 years BtoB warranty left. No clue how the e version drives, but it looks good!

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1439177

Wow, 7k miles. What do you figure, a service loaner? Otherwise why the low miles on a 3 yo car? I suppose it could be owned by someone who only drove it on Earth Day but it might have been in the shop a lot.

In 2017 I bought a 2015 CPO Infiniti Q40 AWD with less than 7,500 miles on it. The car was a solid 2 1/2 years old when I took delivery of it. Some people just drive back and forth to the train station and want a nice car to drive on the weekend. Others have a 1995 Grand Cherokee Limited they use as a "station car."

explorerx4

Carvana has that BMW as pretty much sold, 'purchase pending'.
OK who is it?

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

Carvana has that BMW as pretty much sold, 'purchase pending'.
OK who is it?

Not me; if it was an M Sport and had H-K audio it would make a decent commuter. One of the salesman at the dealer leased one for his wife and she was driving to work on the battery and home on gas- averaging 75 mpg.

stickguy

I would have bought it yesterday if I was actively shopping for something like that.

Interesting though, and maybe why Carvana is buying again, they seem to be selling. I did a search out of curiosity on CUVs with certain specs. Came up with 81 found. At least 50 were purchase pending. Doesn’t mean they will actually sell, just that someone clicked to start the process and hold it. But I was surprised how little available inventory there was.

Maybe it’s related to a backlog of deliveries.

tifighter

When is Mopar not mopar? When you see today's random craigslist posting.

stickguy

Looks clean. Probably an expensive pain to keep on the road at this point.

tifighter

For sure. But an 84 Supra just sold for $35k on BaT, so maybe the big Japanese coupes are coming into their own now.

fintail

Maybe up-and-coming if/when the economy recovers. Those things tended to be abused and thrown away, not easy to find a nice one, and much easier to buy a nice one than reclaim a basket case.

I know a guy who had the sibling high spec 3000GT VR4, he said it needed constant work, but was a cool car.

stickguy

I think the Supra was always way ahead of the Mitsubishi. Certainly the dodge branded version!

fintail

Values follow that, too. I bet a 3000GT is worth twice as much as the equivalent Dodge, and the Supra worth many times more than the Dodge - with low mileage Supras capable of hitting six figures, they've arrived.

tifighter

In terms of the big Japanese sports cars from the 90's, the pecking order always seemed to be NSX, Supra, RX-7, 3000GT. I think everyone forgot the Stealth even exists, so it's clearly way off the back. I do admire the clean fabric interior on this one, though.

ab348

tifighter said:

When is Mopar not mopar? When you see today's random craigslist posting.

Reminds me of "When is a Pontiac not a Pontiac"?

Original owner said he didn't want a Camaro, but he ordered his Firebird new with the Chevy inline-6 (WHAT?), and then when he decided to update it decades later, installed a SBC crate motor.

Although it is a nice-looking car, for whatever reason this just made me go "Grrrr" when I read the story.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/spirit-of-75

nyccarguy

I saw Car & Driver posted a comparison test from back in 1993 that featured the VR4, 968, RX7, 300ZX Turbo, Corvette, & Supra Turbo. $40K Sports Cars. They said they are going to have full test results of the 2021 Supra (4 & 6 cyl) tomorrow. 1993 doesn't seem like 27 years ago, and none of these $40K Sports Cars had a 0-60 mph time under 5.2 seconds.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

I saw Car & Driver posted a comparison test from back in 1993 that featured the VR4, 968, RX7, 300ZX Turbo, Corvette, & Supra Turbo. $40K Sports Cars. They said they are going to have full test results of the 2021 Supra (4 & 6 cyl) tomorrow. 1993 doesn't seem like 27 years ago, and none of these $40K Sports Cars had a 0-60 mph time under 5.2 seconds.

I seem to recall the top-spec RX7 (TT) doing the deed in 5 flat. Of course, any given day ...

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

I saw Car & Driver posted a comparison test from back in 1993 that featured the VR4, 968, RX7, 300ZX Turbo, Corvette, & Supra Turbo. $40K Sports Cars. They said they are going to have full test results of the 2021 Supra (4 & 6 cyl) tomorrow. 1993 doesn't seem like 27 years ago, and none of these $40K Sports Cars had a 0-60 mph time under 5.2 seconds.

I seem to recall the top-spec RX7 (TT) doing the deed in 5 flat. Of course, any given day ...

You are probably correct. I think I remember it hitting 4.9 somewhere too. In this particular test, none of the cars hit the 5.0 second mark.

oldfarmer50

tifighter said:

When is Mopar not mopar? When you see today's random craigslist posting.

Very advanced for it’s time. Back when Mitsu wasn’t so boring.

stickguy

I love what he did to that Firebird. That is basically what I would do to any car of this vintage. I would take that one as is.

ab348

stickguy said:

I love what he did to that Firebird. That is basically what I would do to any car of this vintage. I would take that one as is.

If you do that, do it to a Camaro.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I love what he did to that Firebird. That is basically what I would do to any car of this vintage. I would take that one as is.

When you think that the giant 454 only put out about 175hp in 1975 it makes eminent sense to wait until technology advanced enough to replace the 6cyl.

28firefighter

Has anyone had an opportunity to drive an M235 Gran Coupe yet? Maybe @roadburner or @breld?

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

Has anyone had an opportunity to drive an M235 Gran Coupe yet? Maybe @roadburner or @breld?

It’s based on the Mini/X2. Even the 235 is a 4 cyl turbo. FWD based.

But, no, I haven’t driven it.

28firefighter

I see they have a short write-up in Roundel this month and I've heard anecdotally that it is as close to the good ole' days BMW feel, even despite being a Turbo 4 and FWD. Was just curious.

stickguy

one of the car mags did a test last month. Overall they liked it I think. And IIRC it was the most powerful iteration of the 2.0T engine so far?

roadburner

The BMW Store in Cincinnati has a CPO M235i; I love the looks- Alpine White with Magma M Sport seats.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

I see they have a short write-up in Roundel this month and I've heard anecdotally that it is as close to the good ole' days BMW feel, even despite being a Turbo 4 and FWD. Was just curious.

I hear that same claim every time BMW comes out with their latest and greatest compact.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

I see they have a short write-up in Roundel this month and I've heard anecdotally that it is as close to the good ole' days BMW feel, even despite being a Turbo 4 and FWD. Was just curious.

I hear that same claim every time BMW comes out with their latest and greatest compact.

I think it's true of the F22/87 2er and the G20 M340i.

nyccarguy

The new Supras are awesome!

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

The new Supras are awesome!

Just like the Stinger, they aren’t in high demand- but most dealers still price them and deal on them as if they are incredibly rare and highly sought after.

stickguy

the Supra though was always intended to be a lower production specialty car. Stingers were supposed to actually sell!

stickguy

just out of curiosity, I checked the 3 Toyota dealers near me. All of them had 1 new Supra listed. I may have discovered why they aren't selling though (see the piece in bold below)

2020 Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium RWD Coupe
MSRP$57,525
Conditional Incentives
$1,000* Cash Offer
View All
MPG Range:24/31Engine:3.0L I-6 cylTransmission:AutomaticDrive Line:RWD
Exterior Color:Turbulence GrayInterior Color:Black Leather TrimStock #:200672
Comments Supra 5D Wagon 8 Pass toyota-care

stickguy

though 8 in there, must be clowns!

fintail

I want to see that 8 passenger wagon

qbrozen

Speaking if Toyotas. Came across this poor victim of a hate crime. https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/toyota/land_cruiser/2324677.html

28firefighter

Well. That’s an asking price $19,983 too high.

stickguy

well, definitely going to be the only one at your next cruise-in

breld

Can’t remember which magazine it was, but I thought I read a review of the new 2-series Gran Coupe that was not particularly kind. Not that it’s a bad car, but just more vanity than anything else.

Nothing new for BMW to be introducing several variants, but this whole 2-series line is a bit confusing, with the Gran Coupe being a FWD-based and the m235i variant being a 4 cylinder...and the coupe continuing as a RWD-based vehicle and the m240i (previously m235i) having the 6 cylinder.

breld

I browsed Supra inventory recently - doesn’t seem as though it’d be hard to get your hands on one. It actually seems like a pretty good buy given what it is and what it offers.

28firefighter

I’ve been seeing that a lease on a Z4 M40i is a decent lease deal relatively speaking. Basically the same car, no?