Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

not a bad side gig, making a profit driving new cars.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

Funny that the 2005-10 Mustang GT only had about as much hp as the V6 in 2011 but people still rag on the V6.

Have you driven the old Mustang V6? The current ones are either 4 cylinder turbo or V8 like your GT right?

As @roadburner put it, 50 steps, it's a compliment to the Ford V8 as much as it is a put down of the truck V6.

I base my review on rental driving experiences, not just HP ratings.

danbone111

qbrozen said:

danbone111 said:

Can you please go lease another one and sell it again, please?

Lol.
Would you like me to lease the same car or something else?

If you can replicate the lease/sell/profit on the same car, do it again... lol

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

Funny that the 2005-10 Mustang GT only had about as much hp as the V6 in 2011 but people still rag on the V6.

Have you driven the old Mustang V6? The current ones are either 4 cylinder turbo or V8 like your GT right?

As @roadburner put it, 50 steps, it's a compliment to the Ford V8 as much as it is a put down of the truck V6.

I base my review on rental driving experiences, not just HP ratings.

I drove a 2005 Mustang 4.0 V6, 210 hp which by today’s standards is nothing. At the time it seemed fast but back then I was driving cars that didn’t even have 200hp.

I don’t recall the 3.7L being used in a truck. I do agree that to get any performance out of that engine most reviewers said you had to drive it like you stole it. A stick would be required.

Which old Mustang are you referring to, the 3.8L head blower or the 4.0L truck engine? Neither was even close to the 3.7L.

I think that’s why they dropped the V6 in the Mustang. The 2.3L turbo gave better hp numbers and much better low end torque. It is interesting how far engines have come when we can trash a 305hp motor as a dog.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

Funny that the 2005-10 Mustang GT only had about as much hp as the V6 in 2011 but people still rag on the V6.

Have you driven the old Mustang V6? The current ones are either 4 cylinder turbo or V8 like your GT right?

As @roadburner put it, 50 steps, it's a compliment to the Ford V8 as much as it is a put down of the truck V6.

I base my review on rental driving experiences, not just HP ratings.

I drove a 2005 Mustang 4.0 V6, 210 hp which by today’s standards is nothing. At the time it seemed fast but back then I was driving cars that didn’t even have 200hp.

I don’t recall the 3.7L being used in a truck. I do agree that to get any performance out of that engine most reviewers said you had to drive it like you stole it. A stick would be required.

Which old Mustang are you referring to, the 3.8L head blower or the 4.0L truck engine? Neither was even close to the 3.7L.

I think that’s why they dropped the V6 in the Mustang. The 2.3L turbo gave better hp numbers and much better low end torque. It is interesting how far engines have come when we can trash a 305hp motor as a dog.

I have a feeling I drove a rental around 2005-2010, so probably the 210 HP version you had, and also another rental first half of 2014, and it felt like the same exact V6 to be honest; definitely not a 305 HP version.

I remember thinking that my '03 Honda Accord Coupe V6 would embarrass the Mustang by much more than the 30 HP advantage the Accord has on paper would imply.

Also, being rentals, they were all slushbox automatics.

tjc78

My wife had an 04 Mustang with the V6 when we first met. My 06 Avalon blew it’s doors off.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

Funny that the 2005-10 Mustang GT only had about as much hp as the V6 in 2011 but people still rag on the V6.

Have you driven the old Mustang V6? The current ones are either 4 cylinder turbo or V8 like your GT right?

As @roadburner put it, 50 steps, it's a compliment to the Ford V8 as much as it is a put down of the truck V6.

I base my review on rental driving experiences, not just HP ratings.

I drove a 2005 Mustang 4.0 V6, 210 hp which by today’s standards is nothing. At the time it seemed fast but back then I was driving cars that didn’t even have 200hp.

I don’t recall the 3.7L being used in a truck. I do agree that to get any performance out of that engine most reviewers said you had to drive it like you stole it. A stick would be required.

Which old Mustang are you referring to, the 3.8L head blower or the 4.0L truck engine? Neither was even close to the 3.7L.

I think that’s why they dropped the V6 in the Mustang. The 2.3L turbo gave better hp numbers and much better low end torque. It is interesting how far engines have come when we can trash a 305hp motor as a dog.

I have a feeling I drove a rental around 2005-2010, so probably the 210 HP version you had, and also another rental first half of 2014, and it felt like the same exact V6 to be honest; definitely not a 305 HP version.

I remember thinking that my '03 Honda Accord Coupe V6 would embarrass the Mustang by much more than the 30 HP advantage the Accord has on paper would imply.

Also, being rentals, they were all slushbox automatics.

And beaten to death as well.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

My wife had an 04 Mustang with the V6 when we first met. My 06 Avalon blew it’s doors off.

Not surprised, it had the same hp as my Chevy V6 cargo van.

roadburner

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

Michaell

NY/NJ/CT folks - help a member pick the right car for NYC:
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/61181/general/x/help-searching-used-car-below-10k#latest

andres3

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

ab348

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

Had nothing on the Golf Cabriolet and Beetle convertible though.

fintail

I went to school in the upper PNW in the 90s. Wranglers were extremely popular in that segment too - "Barbie Jeeps". Jettas were big too, along with Saturns.

andres3 said:

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

andres3

ab348 said:

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

Had nothing on the Golf Cabriolet and Beetle convertible though.

Golf Convertible? I remember a Rabbit was exactly that, with some cute females in it.

explorerx4

Now it's BMW 3 Series.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

V6 Mustangs have been secretary’s cars since 1964. Ditto Camaros my wife drove a 6cyl Camaro when I met her and she was a secretary.

You may be on to something though. You could have one version for the ladies and another for the macho guys.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

I hate to say it but the Wrangler is the current chick car but only for empowered chicks.

ronsteve

ab348 said:

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

Had nothing on the Golf Cabriolet and Beetle convertible though.

Those convertibles have long been chick cars, but for some reason I didn't really associate the Jetta with being a chick car until the 1999-2004 models (Mk IV?)

My wife drives a 2013 and loves it. Does that perpetuate the stereotype?

ronsteve

stickguy said:

I assume those BMWs, same for Volvo, are loaners. Always in that same mile range since once they hit (I think) 6k no longer qualify as new and have to be sold as used. And not leased.

My V70 was a demo/loaner, but sold as new even after 11K miles. The miles were priced in decently, and still qualified for new car rates. When I saw it posted after I traded it in, the Carfax actually came up as 1-owner, which I'm sure doesn't mean much on a 12 year old car with 192K.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

V6 Mustangs have been secretary’s cars since 1964. Ditto Camaros my wife drove a 6cyl Camaro when I met her and she was a secretary.

You may be on to something though. You could have one version for the ladies and another for the macho guys.

I saw this at a dealer last fall. Now the previous owner HAD to be of the female persuasion, unless it was a Pepto-Bismol sales rep.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

I just think Ford missed the boat on the V6 Mustang- It probably should have been badged as the Secretary/Hairdresser Edition.
Ditto for Miatas with automatics.

The VW Jetta was the chick car of the 90's.

I hate to say it but the Wrangler is the current chick car but only for empowered chicks.

That has always been the case with Wranglers.

stickguy

Had an email from Rodo. They are about to launch a purchase option, not just lease. Will be interesting to see how that pricing looks. Said you can pick a unit then toggle back and forth between buy and lease. Certainly convenient!

roadburner

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

V6 Mustangs have been secretary’s cars since 1964. Ditto Camaros my wife drove a 6cyl Camaro when I met her and she was a secretary.

You may be on to something though. You could have one version for the ladies and another for the macho guys.

I saw this at a dealer last fall. Now the previous owner HAD to be of the female persuasion, unless it was a Pepto-Bismol sales rep.

Either that or a guy who really loves Marilyn Monroe- as well as Broadway show tunes...

fintail

Some Jeeps driven by the fairer set can be cool:

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

V6 Mustangs have been secretary’s cars since 1964. Ditto Camaros my wife drove a 6cyl Camaro when I met her and she was a secretary.

You may be on to something though. You could have one version for the ladies and another for the macho guys.

I saw this at a dealer last fall. Now the previous owner HAD to be of the female persuasion, unless it was a Pepto-Bismol sales rep.

Mary Kay sales award winner?

I think that’s an Ecoboost turbo not a V6. Does that count?

qbrozen

fintail said:

Some Jeeps driven by the fairer set can be cool:

Of course, but that ain't a Wrangler. ;b

28firefighter

A purchase option for Rodo? So they can choose not to honor those, either?

pensfan83

I got that email too. Went in the delete folder.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

Mary Kay sales award winner?

I think that’s an Ecoboost turbo not a V6. Does that count?

I don't think that's Mary Kay pink. The ones I have seen are a much more pale shade.

On the engine question, if it isn't a GT, does it really matter?

stickguy

28firefighter said:

A purchase option for Rodo? So they can choose not to honor those, either?

I was surprised to hear dealers were reneging. they are the ones that put the deals out there. But if that becomes common it will sink the whole company. I had no trouble when I was taking a deal through them.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Mary Kay sales award winner?

I think that’s an Ecoboost turbo not a V6. Does that count?

I don't think that's Mary Kay pink. The ones I have seen are a much more pale shade.

On the engine question, if it isn't a GT, does it really matter?

I guess not.😀😀

28firefighter

Washed the Outback today. Tried out my new foam cannon and Meguiars
hybrid ceramic wax. I’d say it looks pretty outstanding for not much effort.

pensfan83

As I look out into the 35 degree weather here I was drawn more toward the nice weather there.

But seriously, car looks great too 👌

roadburner

@graphicguy:

I found my local BB has a Sony X900F for cheap(<$1800). Have you had any experience with that set? I just hate to settle.

sda

roadburner said:

@graphicguy:

I found my local BB has a Sony X900F for cheap(<$1800). Have you had any experience with that set? I just hate to settle.</p>

That’s why you’re a judge.

tjc78

roadburner said:

@graphicguy:

I found my local BB has a Sony X900F for cheap(<$1800). Have you had any experience with that set? I just hate to settle.</p>

I may have mentioned it but I have an entry level Sony 65” I bought in November. It has far exceeded my expectations. I wanted an F or a G series but my kids have broke a few TVs already and was worried to spend the money on it. I really don’t think you can go wrong with that TV.

corvette

I have a 40" in my office/den upstairs right now and am tempted to move the 55" from my living room up there and upgrade the living room TV to a 75" 4K model.

stickguy

I am waiting for my old DLP in the basement to finally die, so I can move the old 52" Sharp (9 YO now) from the family room down, and get a new one upstairs. Though it still works great. Probably not going bigger than 60", but I do know it won't cost anywhere near $1,800. A waste of capability for us (we don't even use anything but the speakers on the TV).

qbrozen

urging sis toward a Murano if they are making a move this month. Would be about $230-$235 all in for 24/10 on a $35k SUV. That is if the broker's numbers are accurate.

stickguy

wow. cheap. I always seem to be shopping at the wrong time.

corvette

I peeked... Looks like the US Bank lease program on Tundras is even better this month, but availability is poor.

roadburner

sda said:

roadburner said:

@graphicguy:

I found my local BB has a Sony X900F for cheap(<$1800). Have you had any experience with that set? I just hate to settle.</p>

That’s why you’re a judge.

Not any more...

qbrozen

stickguy said:

wow. cheap. I always seem to be shopping at the wrong time.

I should note that her husband's job qualified for VIP, which is an extra $1k incentive.

stickguy

I usually am all over the place, but at this point, I have zero clue what I will be doing when my lease is up. Could be anywhere from buying it out, to leasing nice, leasing cheap (and who knows what it would be) or buying something cheap or even a toy.

could be a bumpy ride!

kyfdx

pensfan83 said:

As I look out into the 35 degree weather here I was drawn more toward the nice weather there.

But seriously, car looks great too 👌

29 F for a low, tonight, here

corvette

kyfdx said:

pensfan83 said:

As I look out into the 35 degree weather here I was drawn more toward the nice weather there.

But seriously, car looks great too 👌

29 F for a low, tonight, here

You live in the frigid north, though. It's going to be a balmy 30 here.

stickguy

raining here and I just looked at the weather app to see if it was going to stop soon so I could walk the dog, and at 1:00AM the forecast had a snowflake. Nasty.

corvette

Big fan of the Accuweather MinuteCast for figuring out when to let the dog out.

coldinohio

how was the foam cannon to use? which brand?

been looking at one for a few months, but haven't decided; one of guys in local cars/coffee swears by his and his water 'deionizer'

28firefighter said:

Washed the Outback today. Tried out my new foam cannon and Meguiars
hybrid ceramic wax. I’d say it looks pretty outstanding for not much effort.

stickguy

never heard of that before so just watched a video on youtube. Pretty darned cool. But looks like a lot of effort (for us lazy folks!) Plus I am afraid to use the pressure washer on my cars.