Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

Can’t blame her. If I hadn’t bought when I did, I wouldn’t be doing it now either.

But that Porsche, if job 1 is go really fast, looks like a fine option! Plus, becomes a convertible at the push of a button.

Michaell

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

While waiting to pick up dinner last night, two pair of F-16's flew over at about 500-1000'. I think Colorado National Guard is doing a tour today.

28firefighter

Oh good - a 600 HP Cayenne Turbo. Because it wasn't fast enough before...

breld

Michaell said:

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

While waiting to pick up dinner last night, two pair of F-16's flew over at about 500-1000'. I think Colorado National Guard is doing a tour today.

My older son's birthday was yesterday - his mom arranged a parade of cars to drive by honking horns and wish him a happy birthday (I was at the end of the line). Just before we started, those F-16's flew over. I thought to myself, "Wow! My ex really went all out for this!"

breld

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

When I see those, I often wonder...”what was it that was so bad about that vehicle that you hate it so much, within several weeks of ownership, take a thousands of dollars bath to trade it in?”.

I'm willing to bet these are former loaners that they never sold/leased while there was lease support for 2018s. Now they get to celebrate a birthday.

soooo many reasons. Could be a former breld vehicle, for example. Maybe a repo, maybe an unwind, etc.

Exactly! Those of you who like to buy these lightly used vehicles should appreciate that there are those like me to put them back into inventory.

explorerx4

...unless you flick the 700 HP switch.

qbrozen

I emailed the ebay porsche seller. He tells me all the mods were done just 2 yrs ago. This is a 5th car for him, hence the low miles. And, yes, he'd cover shipping plus all importation documentation, to the tune of $2300.

Sigh. Oh well.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

benjaminh said:

For the c. $23k price of a Civic someone will be driving this CPO 2016 Mercedes C-class with "PANORAMA SUNROOF, HEATED FRONT SEATS, REAR VIEW CAMERA, REAR TRUNK LID SPOILER, LINDEN WOOD TRIM analog clock in dash, WHEELS: 17 SPLIT 5-SPOKE"

https://www.mblouisville.com/inventory/certified-used-2016-mercedes-benz-c-class-4dr-sdn-c-300-4matic®-awd-4matic-4dr-car-55swf4kb9gu103149

Not bad, but for another $1000 or so they have them with under 20k miles on them (that one has 40k). How much would you pay for mine. 2014 C250, 34000 miles?

I’ll give you $11k for it. Do you deliver?🤑

Sold....I'll deliver it in 10 years.

Ha ha in 10 years that’s likely to be a long drive....either uphill or down.👹😇

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

pensfan83 said:

roadburner said:

pensfan83 said:

Still not looking for another lease right now. Just like crunching numbers I guess.

I've been doing the same on a Passport, RDX A-Spec, and X3 M40i. No rush but it passes the time I guess. The last one is probably a stretch, less so if I can get loyalty however.

My dealer has a couple of 2018 X3 M40i in stock; one only has 3900 miles on it. I'm just scared I'd tire of it too quicly.

I have my eye on this one.

https://www.faulknerbmw.com/inventory/used-2020-bmw-x3-m40i-awd-sport-utility-5uxty9c09lle59697

When I see those, I often wonder...”what was it that was so bad about that vehicle that you hate it so much, within several weeks of ownership, take a thousands of dollars bath to trade it in?”.

Didn’t a now departed poster once trade in a brand new Mustang V6 for a GT a couple of weeks after he bought it?

explorerx4

I kind of feel bad about this, but I remember his car. White Mustang with red stripes.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Didn’t a now departed poster once trade in a brand new Mustang V6 for a GT a couple of weeks after he bought it?

I don’t remember that wingnut, but then there have been so many...

nyccarguy

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

pensfan83 said:

roadburner said:

pensfan83 said:

Still not looking for another lease right now. Just like crunching numbers I guess.

I've been doing the same on a Passport, RDX A-Spec, and X3 M40i. No rush but it passes the time I guess. The last one is probably a stretch, less so if I can get loyalty however.

My dealer has a couple of 2018 X3 M40i in stock; one only has 3900 miles on it. I'm just scared I'd tire of it too quicly.

I have my eye on this one.

https://www.faulknerbmw.com/inventory/used-2020-bmw-x3-m40i-awd-sport-utility-5uxty9c09lle59697

When I see those, I often wonder...”what was it that was so bad about that vehicle that you hate it so much, within several weeks of ownership, take a thousands of dollars bath to trade it in?”.

Didn’t a now departed poster once trade in a brand new Mustang V6 for a GT a couple of weeks after he bought it?

Yes. Dave was his name (I think). I don't know if it was a few weeks or maybe a few months.

abacomike

graphicguy said:

I’ve shopped those Benzs more than a couple of times....even the new gen (C Class). @driver100, I know you like your FL steed. I think yours is one a gen or two older.

I’ve never been able to warm up to them. Actually had a really good deal on the table on a C300 Coupe 6-7 years ago, which looked very sharp. At the time, uncharacteristically, the dash rattled, the drivetrain was gruff. Looking at scheduled maintenance costs, I was taken aback. Yes, I’ve owned high end vehicles and know that they generally cost more to maintain. But, the Benz seemed to be in an entirely different league.

Took another stab 4 years ago....current platform. My impressions hadn’t changed.

They didn’t drive badly. They just didn’t drive great for the money.

Maybe you have to get into the E Class and up to get the “real” Mercedes driving experience.

Benz dealerships seem to love having a bunch of service loaners and “demos” hanging around at good prices. Maybe that’s the way to go.

Was perusing @abacomike dealership to see if his S Class hit their used lot, yet. Not for me, but for my sister. She loves Benzs and Jags. S Class...super low miles....current generation...thought maybe she could score a deal by taking a trip to FL and driving it back. It’s not on the dealership web site, though.

GG, I had asked their GM if they are interested in purchasing it from MBFS - the lessor. He said probably not because cars like mine wholesale for $47K to $48K. The residual was $58K. So MBFS would have to discount the car to the dealership by almost $10,000. My guess is that they could easily retail my car for $52K to $54K.

I would have purchased it for $50,000 but MBFS refused. Car only has 20,600 miles on it and it is pristine. Recently had the B service on it and 2 new front tires.

imidazol97

@abacomike
@graphicguy

If the dealer took it in trade, does MBFS have to put it on their lot for resale? How does that work?
Or might it show up anywhere after MBFS auctions it to one of their dealers?
Might have to search by VIN to see where the vehicle shows up?
Now I'd be interested in how much the vehicle gets put on a lot for retail.

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

@abacomike
@graphicguy

If the dealer took it in trade, does MBFS have to put it on their lot for resale? How does that work?
Or might it show up anywhere after MBFS auctions it to one of their dealers?
Might have to search by VIN to see where the vehicle shows up?
Now I'd be interested in how much the vehicle gets put on a lot for retail.

Usually, MBFS first offers pristine lease returns to dealers in their dealership network. The dealership that takes back the lease return is the first one offered the car at a discounted number.

Mine was Selenite Grey with black leather interior and black wood trim - loaded. With inventories so low it should be snapped up. Remember, the 2021 redesign is significant which is affecting the wholesale values of 2015's through 2020's. Mine was a 2018.

rayainsw

Recently opened EXXON station near me has RUG at $0.99.
- Ray
Probably not for long - or maybe.....

stickguy

We are still at about $1.75 last time I looked. Dang. Not that I go anywhere! Though will do another round trip to Delaware this weekend. Taking my car to get it some exercise. Last week took the wife’s new car. That’s close to 90 miles RT, plus we will do some exploring while down there.

qbrozen

Vroom emailed me yesterday stating they got the paperwork and are working on scheduling a pickup, which could take a couple of weeks.

I got a call about an hour ago from someone saying he’ll be here this evening to get it. Wow.

stickguy

They like carvana, where the driver has the check to give you?

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

Vroom emailed me yesterday stating they got the paperwork and are working on scheduling a pickup, which could take a couple of weeks.

I got a call about an hour ago from someone saying he’ll be here this evening to get it. Wow.

Fingers crossed for you my friend

explorerx4

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Didn’t a now departed poster once trade in a brand new Mustang V6 for a GT a couple of weeks after he bought it?

I don’t remember that wingnut, but then there have been so many...

He seemed like a nice guy. His widow was kind enough to search for his Edmunds passwords and inform us of his passing. I think his handle was Mako1a.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

They like carvana, where the driver has the check to give you?

no. they have a bit of a delay. I have to get a bill of lading from the driver showing he picked it up, then email that to vroom and they will process the check to Hyundai and check to me. Big difference between the 2 is that Carvana has their own trucks and employees for transport, while Vroom uses independents.

oldfarmer50

rayainsw said:

Recently opened EXXON station near me has RUG at $0.99.
- Ray
Probably not for long - or maybe.....

Hold a place in line for me, I’ll be right over.😀

houdini1

abacomike said:

imidazol97 said:

@abacomike
@graphicguy

If the dealer took it in trade, does MBFS have to put it on their lot for resale? How does that work?
Or might it show up anywhere after MBFS auctions it to one of their dealers?
Might have to search by VIN to see where the vehicle shows up?
Now I'd be interested in how much the vehicle gets put on a lot for retail.

Usually, MBFS first offers pristine lease returns to dealers in their dealership network. The dealership that takes back the lease return is the first one offered the car at a discounted number.

Mine was Selenite Grey with black leather interior and black wood trim - loaded. With inventories so low it should be snapped up. Remember, the 2021 redesign is significant which is affecting the wholesale values of 2015's through 2020's. Mine was a 2018.

Darn, that car really depreciated a lot in 2 years.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

Watch some of those Russian dash cam videos and you’ll see that every SUV made likes to tip on it’s side.

driver100

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

Vroom emailed me yesterday stating they got the paperwork and are working on scheduling a pickup, which could take a couple of weeks.

I got a call about an hour ago from someone saying he’ll be here this evening to get it. Wow.

Fingers crossed for you my friend

+1

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

Watch some of those Russian dash cam videos and you’ll see that every SUV made likes to tip on it’s side.

That's in Russia though!

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

Drove over to Mercy Hospital Fairfield to watch it. Very cool!

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

Yep.

graphicguy

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

I’ve shopped those Benzs more than a couple of times....even the new gen (C Class). @driver100, I know you like your FL steed. I think yours is one a gen or two older.

I’ve never been able to warm up to them. Actually had a really good deal on the table on a C300 Coupe 6-7 years ago, which looked very sharp. At the time, uncharacteristically, the dash rattled, the drivetrain was gruff. Looking at scheduled maintenance costs, I was taken aback. Yes, I’ve owned high end vehicles and know that they generally cost more to maintain. But, the Benz seemed to be in an entirely different league.

Took another stab 4 years ago....current platform. My impressions hadn’t changed.

They didn’t drive badly. They just didn’t drive great for the money.

Maybe you have to get into the E Class and up to get the “real” Mercedes driving experience.

Benz dealerships seem to love having a bunch of service loaners and “demos” hanging around at good prices. Maybe that’s the way to go.

Was perusing @abacomike dealership to see if his S Class hit their used lot, yet. Not for me, but for my sister. She loves Benzs and Jags. S Class...super low miles....current generation...thought maybe she could score a deal by taking a trip to FL and driving it back. It’s not on the dealership web site, though.

GG, I had asked their GM if they are interested in purchasing it from MBFS - the lessor. He said probably not because cars like mine wholesale for $47K to $48K. The residual was $58K. So MBFS would have to discount the car to the dealership by almost $10,000. My guess is that they could easily retail my car for $52K to $54K.

I would have purchased it for $50,000 but MBFS refused. Car only has 20,600 miles on it and it is pristine. Recently had the B service on it and 2 new front tires.

Thanks Mike. I know you take impeccable care of your cars. Thought my sister might be interested, but she’s still in love with her Jag.

Someone will end up with a very nice S Class!

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50.
Not all of them

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50.
Not all of them

LOL, Ford Tough!

suydam

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

I wonder if it’s the base near Mansfield.

andres3

roadburner said:

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

Yep.

LOL. I know the bread and butter of the IIHS was these crash tests, but the silly junk science they pass off as "studies" or "reports" would make a dishonest and corrupted used car salesman blush.

I'd sooner have Hollywood Actresses convicted of paying off college admissions officials for their offspring's benefit teach ethics classes before I'd have anyone from the IIHS do so.

andres3

qbrozen said:

I emailed the ebay porsche seller. He tells me all the mods were done just 2 yrs ago. This is a 5th car for him, hence the low miles. And, yes, he'd cover shipping plus all importation documentation, to the tune of $2300.

Sigh. Oh well.

How can you resist this salesmanship and marketingship prowess:

Picks up Costco, Children, Your friends and your womens. Fast and comfortably

The double plural form of women is intriguing.

Did they remember to put "women not included" in the fine print?

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Didn’t a now departed poster once trade in a brand new Mustang V6 for a GT a couple of weeks after he bought it?

I don’t remember that wingnut, but then there have been so many...

He seemed like a nice guy. His widow was kind enough to search for his Edmunds passwords and inform us of his passing. I think his handle was Mako1a.

I remember when that happened. But I can't recall a name.

imidazol97

suydam said:

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

I wonder if it’s the base near Mansfield.

180th Fighter Wing, Swanton, OH-- just west of Toledo.

andres3

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

in such a wreck, tipping over after the impact is like getting falling on a pillow after being shot.

nyccarguy

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

That’s an alarming video. I no doubt they’ll have that fixed soon enough. I take those crash test ratings with a grain of salt. I remember my 2007 BMW X3 was either a 5 star Crash safety rated or best pick by the IIHS. The next year (2008), it wasn’t rated very well. It was the same damn vehicle.

nyccarguy

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

I also wouldn’t crash into a big metal barrier like that

kyfdx

suydam said:

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

I wonder if it’s the base near Mansfield.

Toledo

danbone111

qbrozen said:

Vroom emailed me yesterday stating they got the paperwork and are working on scheduling a pickup, which could take a couple of weeks.

I got a call about an hour ago from someone saying he’ll be here this evening to get it. Wow.

qbrozen said:

Vroom emailed me yesterday stating they got the paperwork and are working on scheduling a pickup, which could take a couple of weeks.

I got a call about an hour ago from someone saying he’ll be here this evening to get it. Wow.

Can you please go lease another one and sell it again, please?

suydam

kyfdx said:

suydam said:

kyfdx said:

Big excitement.

Ohio Air National Guard just did an F-16 flyover. Pretty cool. 10 seconds.

I wonder if it’s the base near Mansfield.

Toledo

Mansfield is the 179th. When my son was in Ohio he was at that base.

oldfarmer50

So you think you’re having a bad day...

https://youtu.be/N44icPfGi1M

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

Funny that the 2005-10 Mustang GT only had about as much hp as the V6 in 2011 but people still rag on the V6.

roadburner

andres3 said:

Well, I got a TTS when I'd prefer a TTRS. Of course, my excuse is the TTRS came out nearly a year later and does cost quite a bit more.

@roadburner got a M235i instead of a M2; not sure what his excuse is

So maybe getting a V6 Mustang isn't as wingnut of a move as we thought....... on second thought, yes it is. I've driven a V6 Mustang; you really would be better off getting a Corolla S or Ford Ranger

Well, there is an argument to be made for picking a performance car one step down from the top: GT PP over GT350, M235i over M2, etc.- but a V6 isn't one step down from a GT; it's more like 50 steps.

stickguy

explorerx4 said:

So you still want a Wrangler?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32404897/iihs-crash-test-jeep-wrangler-video/

sure. that's what the rollbar is for.

qbrozen

danbone111 said:

Can you please go lease another one and sell it again, please?

Lol.
Would you like me to lease the same car or something else?