Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

28firefighter

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

explorerx4

Time to start a YT channel.

mjfloyd1

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Looking back on 2020 (and preparing our 2021 budget), it's really hit me how much I overindulged this past year. Lots of moves, but at the end of the day (or year, as it were ), my wife went from her Alltrack to her MINI - like for like for the most part. Me? I replaced the very reasonable V90 lease with a really nice Cayenne and the GTI (then 228i) as the fun car to a new Supra (albeit at a great discount). And between moving, the pandemic and kids getting their drivers licenses, the miles I'm driving has been greatly reduced. Pandemic is temporary (it is, right?), but I doubt we're going back to the office 5 days a week ever.

So my current fun research obsession? What could I get to satisfy those car needs/desires at a significantly reduced rate? If you'd like, indulge me with your thoughts.

Utility car - let's say around $35-40k budget:

• 2018-2019 MDX - a sport hybrid model would be great, but so many more choices out there with the standard V6. At least Tech Package, but Advanced would be preferred.
  
• 2019-2020 CX-9
  
• 2017-2018 X5 35i or 40e
  
• 2017-2018 GLE
  
• Or maybe, push that budget just a bit...Mach E (considering $10k of tax incentives here in CO)
  

For the fun car, let's stick around $30k'ish:

• Another Miata RF - 2019 or newer for the increased power.
  
• M240i
  

I'm not sure I understand. Is the utility to replace the Cayenne? Or are you looking to replace the Supra with 2 vehicles? And is there any reason utility and fun can't come together?

So, hypothetically (for now at least), two replacements - cheaper utility vehicle instead of the Cayenne and cheaper fun car in place of the Supra.

And yes, I have thought about the utility and fun coming together...an X3 m40i comes to mind. When I test drove that, I remarked how much it felt like the Supra (to a certain extent of course). What other vehicles would you recommend as an “all-in-one?”

Geez, now you got me thinking...I could open up a garage space for the Leaf.

I worked on the south side of Indianapolis today so I scooted up north and drove a Volvo XC60 T6 momentum. It was not my cup of tea.

I drove over to BMW and drove a X3 m40i and the power was nice but the suspension was pretty stiff when hitting potholes. I could learn to like it (I think) but I am getting older. I would have loved it in my 40s when I was putting lowering springs on my Audi A6.

I drove a m340xdrive and it rode somewhat better than the x3 m40 but I like the visibility of a SUV (I think...).

There is always the x3 30i with m sport suspension but you give up the inline 6 for the four cylinder that sounds like a sewing machine. I think that is out just based on that alone.

Channeling my inner Breld

There is a used 2020 x3 M40i for sale near me but is dark graphite metallic and has the sensatec (vinyl) interior. 6700 miles and the price is right, Bob Barker...

Still channeling my inner Breld

I probably should have driven an Audi SQ5...

Then to sell my Jeep to Vroom...

Help!!

If you didn’t like the x3 m40i, why would the price and options on the used 2020 matter?

Yes, drive an SQ5. I’d also suggest a Stelvio.

I think I could get used to the x3m40

roadburner

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Looking back on 2020 (and preparing our 2021 budget), it's really hit me how much I overindulged this past year. Lots of moves, but at the end of the day (or year, as it were ), my wife went from her Alltrack to her MINI - like for like for the most part. Me? I replaced the very reasonable V90 lease with a really nice Cayenne and the GTI (then 228i) as the fun car to a new Supra (albeit at a great discount). And between moving, the pandemic and kids getting their drivers licenses, the miles I'm driving has been greatly reduced. Pandemic is temporary (it is, right?), but I doubt we're going back to the office 5 days a week ever.

So my current fun research obsession? What could I get to satisfy those car needs/desires at a significantly reduced rate? If you'd like, indulge me with your thoughts.

Utility car - let's say around $35-40k budget:

• 2018-2019 MDX - a sport hybrid model would be great, but so many more choices out there with the standard V6. At least Tech Package, but Advanced would be preferred.
  
• 2019-2020 CX-9
  
• 2017-2018 X5 35i or 40e
  
• 2017-2018 GLE
  
• Or maybe, push that budget just a bit...Mach E (considering $10k of tax incentives here in CO)
  

For the fun car, let's stick around $30k'ish:

• Another Miata RF - 2019 or newer for the increased power.
  
• M240i
  

I'm not sure I understand. Is the utility to replace the Cayenne? Or are you looking to replace the Supra with 2 vehicles? And is there any reason utility and fun can't come together?

So, hypothetically (for now at least), two replacements - cheaper utility vehicle instead of the Cayenne and cheaper fun car in place of the Supra.

And yes, I have thought about the utility and fun coming together...an X3 m40i comes to mind. When I test drove that, I remarked how much it felt like the Supra (to a certain extent of course). What other vehicles would you recommend as an “all-in-one?”

Geez, now you got me thinking...I could open up a garage space for the Leaf.

I worked on the south side of Indianapolis today so I scooted up north and drove a Volvo XC60 T6 momentum. It was not my cup of tea.

I drove over to BMW and drove a X3 m40i and the power was nice but the suspension was pretty stiff when hitting potholes. I could learn to like it (I think) but I am getting older. I would have loved it in my 40s when I was putting lowering springs on my Audi A6.

I drove a m340xdrive and it rode somewhat better than the x3 m40 but I like the visibility of a SUV (I think...).

There is always the x3 30i with m sport suspension but you give up the inline 6 for the four cylinder that sounds like a sewing machine. I think that is out just based on that alone.

Channeling my inner Breld

There is a used 2020 x3 M40i for sale near me but is dark graphite metallic and has the sensatec (vinyl) interior. 6700 miles and the price is right, Bob Barker...

Still channeling my inner Breld

I probably should have driven an Audi SQ5...

Then to sell my Jeep to Vroom...

Help!!

If you didn’t like the x3 m40i, why would the price and options on the used 2020 matter?

Yes, drive an SQ5. I’d also suggest a Stelvio.

My Alfa dealer has a couple of beautiful CPO Stelvio Ti Sports. A standout is a 2018 in Trofeo White(a $2,200 option) and red leather as well as H-K. Only $36,000.
If I was a bit braver I would nab it.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Looking back on 2020 (and preparing our 2021 budget), it's really hit me how much I overindulged this past year. Lots of moves, but at the end of the day (or year, as it were ), my wife went from her Alltrack to her MINI - like for like for the most part. Me? I replaced the very reasonable V90 lease with a really nice Cayenne and the GTI (then 228i) as the fun car to a new Supra (albeit at a great discount). And between moving, the pandemic and kids getting their drivers licenses, the miles I'm driving has been greatly reduced. Pandemic is temporary (it is, right?), but I doubt we're going back to the office 5 days a week ever.

So my current fun research obsession? What could I get to satisfy those car needs/desires at a significantly reduced rate? If you'd like, indulge me with your thoughts.

Utility car - let's say around $35-40k budget:

• 2018-2019 MDX - a sport hybrid model would be great, but so many more choices out there with the standard V6. At least Tech Package, but Advanced would be preferred.
  
• 2019-2020 CX-9
  
• 2017-2018 X5 35i or 40e
  
• 2017-2018 GLE
  
• Or maybe, push that budget just a bit...Mach E (considering $10k of tax incentives here in CO)
  

For the fun car, let's stick around $30k'ish:

• Another Miata RF - 2019 or newer for the increased power.
  
• M240i
  

I'm not sure I understand. Is the utility to replace the Cayenne? Or are you looking to replace the Supra with 2 vehicles? And is there any reason utility and fun can't come together?

So, hypothetically (for now at least), two replacements - cheaper utility vehicle instead of the Cayenne and cheaper fun car in place of the Supra.

And yes, I have thought about the utility and fun coming together...an X3 m40i comes to mind. When I test drove that, I remarked how much it felt like the Supra (to a certain extent of course). What other vehicles would you recommend as an “all-in-one?”

Geez, now you got me thinking...I could open up a garage space for the Leaf.

I worked on the south side of Indianapolis today so I scooted up north and drove a Volvo XC60 T6 momentum. It was not my cup of tea.

I drove over to BMW and drove a X3 m40i and the power was nice but the suspension was pretty stiff when hitting potholes. I could learn to like it (I think) but I am getting older. I would have loved it in my 40s when I was putting lowering springs on my Audi A6.

I drove a m340xdrive and it rode somewhat better than the x3 m40 but I like the visibility of a SUV (I think...).

There is always the x3 30i with m sport suspension but you give up the inline 6 for the four cylinder that sounds like a sewing machine. I think that is out just based on that alone.

Channeling my inner Breld

There is a used 2020 x3 M40i for sale near me but is dark graphite metallic and has the sensatec (vinyl) interior. 6700 miles and the price is right, Bob Barker...

Still channeling my inner Breld

I probably should have driven an Audi SQ5...

Then to sell my Jeep to Vroom...

Help!!

If you didn’t like the x3 m40i, why would the price and options on the used 2020 matter?

Yes, drive an SQ5. I’d also suggest a Stelvio.

My Alfa dealer has a couple of beautiful CPO Stelvio Ti Sports. A standout is a 2018 in Trofeo White(a $2,200 option) and red leather as well as H-K. Only $36,000.
If I was a bit braver I would nab it.

What’s the warranty like on that?

$36k is ridiculous. Most expensive auction car was $28.8k. Most are $26-$27 with 18-24k miles.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

roadburner said:

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Looking back on 2020 (and preparing our 2021 budget), it's really hit me how much I overindulged this past year. Lots of moves, but at the end of the day (or year, as it were ), my wife went from her Alltrack to her MINI - like for like for the most part. Me? I replaced the very reasonable V90 lease with a really nice Cayenne and the GTI (then 228i) as the fun car to a new Supra (albeit at a great discount). And between moving, the pandemic and kids getting their drivers licenses, the miles I'm driving has been greatly reduced. Pandemic is temporary (it is, right?), but I doubt we're going back to the office 5 days a week ever.

So my current fun research obsession? What could I get to satisfy those car needs/desires at a significantly reduced rate? If you'd like, indulge me with your thoughts.

Utility car - let's say around $35-40k budget:

• 2018-2019 MDX - a sport hybrid model would be great, but so many more choices out there with the standard V6. At least Tech Package, but Advanced would be preferred.
  
• 2019-2020 CX-9
  
• 2017-2018 X5 35i or 40e
  
• 2017-2018 GLE
  
• Or maybe, push that budget just a bit...Mach E (considering $10k of tax incentives here in CO)
  

For the fun car, let's stick around $30k'ish:

• Another Miata RF - 2019 or newer for the increased power.
  
• M240i
  

I'm not sure I understand. Is the utility to replace the Cayenne? Or are you looking to replace the Supra with 2 vehicles? And is there any reason utility and fun can't come together?

So, hypothetically (for now at least), two replacements - cheaper utility vehicle instead of the Cayenne and cheaper fun car in place of the Supra.

And yes, I have thought about the utility and fun coming together...an X3 m40i comes to mind. When I test drove that, I remarked how much it felt like the Supra (to a certain extent of course). What other vehicles would you recommend as an “all-in-one?”

Geez, now you got me thinking...I could open up a garage space for the Leaf.

I worked on the south side of Indianapolis today so I scooted up north and drove a Volvo XC60 T6 momentum. It was not my cup of tea.

I drove over to BMW and drove a X3 m40i and the power was nice but the suspension was pretty stiff when hitting potholes. I could learn to like it (I think) but I am getting older. I would have loved it in my 40s when I was putting lowering springs on my Audi A6.

I drove a m340xdrive and it rode somewhat better than the x3 m40 but I like the visibility of a SUV (I think...).

There is always the x3 30i with m sport suspension but you give up the inline 6 for the four cylinder that sounds like a sewing machine. I think that is out just based on that alone.

Channeling my inner Breld

There is a used 2020 x3 M40i for sale near me but is dark graphite metallic and has the sensatec (vinyl) interior. 6700 miles and the price is right, Bob Barker...

Still channeling my inner Breld

I probably should have driven an Audi SQ5...

Then to sell my Jeep to Vroom...

Help!!

If you didn’t like the x3 m40i, why would the price and options on the used 2020 matter?

Yes, drive an SQ5. I’d also suggest a Stelvio.

My Alfa dealer has a couple of beautiful CPO Stelvio Ti Sports. A standout is a 2018 in Trofeo White(a $2,200 option) and red leather as well as H-K. Only $36,000.
If I was a bit braver I would nab it.

What’s the warranty like on that?

$36k is ridiculous. Most expensive auction car was $28.8k. Most are $26-$27 with 18-24k miles.

I think the CPO warranty is 5 years/100k miles. I could probably get it for $31k hor less; I’m thinking the CPO warranty adds about $2k to the bottom. This one has most every package and option- including the Helen Keller “driving aids,” unfortunately.

sda

@roadburner: including the Helen Keller “driving aids,” unfortunately. Great description !

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

Downside to a flat-4 vs inline-4

2 oxygen sensors per side. 4 total.

Had one replaced on Tuesday. Check engine light back on Thursday. Back in shop, today.

Sensors are not cheap.

You should start a YouTube channel. Call it Watch KRgo.

Michaell

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

The son's new high mileage Forester....

28firefighter

Ahhhh

roadburner

Munich forgive me, but I really like this Challenger R/T Scat Pack.

fintail

I had a Challenger Scat Pack as a rental in Chicago 2 years ago. No shaker hood, maybe not available then? Fun for a rental car!

tjc78

Wouldn’t a woody Buick Electra wagon been a better choice for that venue?

Great pic.

28firefighter

You have got to figure that poor house still gets tons of attention.

fintail

Hertz was out of those, also no Dodge cargo vans, Omnis, or late 80s LeSabres.

tjc78 said:

Wouldn’t a woody Buick Electra wagon been a better choice for that venue?

Great pic.

breld

roadburner said:

Munich forgive me, but I really like this Challenger R/T Scat Pack.

I think you could be allowed a pass given your history and current fleet.

corvette

Great new episode of The Grand Tour is now up on Amazon Prime.

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

Michaell

Advice needed on an EV

sda

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

Munich forgive me, but I really like this Challenger R/T Scat Pack.

that color with those wheels is pretty sharp.

Definitely screaming for some more graphics, though, IMHO. Was thinking black surround for the shaker and the tail wrapover like the white rental pictured.

stickguy

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

mjfloyd1

I can sell my 18 wrangler and get the 2020 x3 m40i for $6500 plus tax on the full price of the used x3. Ugh

ab348

corvette said:

Great new episode of The Grand Tour is now up on Amazon Prime.

I watched it yesterday. I thought it fell totally flat.

corvette

ab348 said:

corvette said:

Great new episode of The Grand Tour is now up on Amazon Prime.

I watched it yesterday. I thought it fell totally flat.

It's pretty good for quarantine entertainment. IMO, a lot of TV and movie studios have delayed filming a lot of things, and the pipeline is drying up. Tiger King may have marked the end of the early 2000s Golden Era of television.

stickguy

mjfloyd1 said:

I can sell my 18 wrangler and get the 2020 x3 m40i for $6500 plus tax on the full price of the used x3. Ugh

that seems like a good deal to me.

explorerx4

Could do the 70's full matte black hood. I'd skip the roof treatment.
Have to scroll down a bit to see.
https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-dodge-challenger-has-the-coolest-new-color-option

28firefighter

it is a good deal IF you like the X3.

tifighter

what's like gotta to do, gotta to do with it?

kyfdx

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Exactly...

Anyway, oxygen sensor on Tuesday was $425.
A lot of diagnostics and new plugs today was $300.
Bosch Icon wiper blades $57

qbrozen

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Like take the top of the engine apart?

sda

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Like take the top of the engine apart?

That’s dialed in for you or so it seems.

qbrozen

sda said:

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Like take the top of the engine apart?

That’s dialed in for you or so it seems.

Still awaiting a stupid little plastic coolant connector.

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

Could do the 70's full matte black hood. I'd skip the roof treatment.
Have to scroll down a bit to see.
https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-dodge-challenger-has-the-coolest-new-color-option

There are several kits available; some from Mopar, some from the aftermarket.

corvette

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Exactly...

Anyway, oxygen sensor on Tuesday was $425.
A lot of diagnostics and new plugs today was $300.
Bosch Icon wiper blades $57

$425 for only one out of four oxygen sensors? That sounds steep, as do the wiper blades, I think they're usually cheaper on Amazon.

roadburner

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

The Clubman had every “100k mile N12 issue” resolved before I bought it - except for the VANOS solenoid, which failed within the first month of my ownership. Aside from that no major issues save a coolant sensor and an oil pan gasket. The issues that were throwing a couple of codes and an A/C refrigerant leak were due to inept service from a couple of shops the PO used.
It should hit 150k at the end of my term in 2024. It should not require much more than oil, coolant, and brake fluid changes over that time period.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Munich forgive me, but I really like this Challenger R/T Scat Pack.

Those are fun and have a great exhaust note but they are huge cars. Takes something out of it for me.

kyfdx

corvette said:

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Exactly...

Anyway, oxygen sensor on Tuesday was $425.
A lot of diagnostics and new plugs today was $300.
Bosch Icon wiper blades $57

$425 for only one out of four oxygen sensors? That sounds steep, as do the wiper blades, I think they're usually cheaper on Amazon.

The oxygen sensor is $240 part.
2 hours diagnostic/labor at $80/hr.
+tax.

Wiper blades bought at Advance auto parts. Free installation. 👍

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

sda said:

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

Which car? Isn’t that covered by warranty?

2012 Forester with 126K miles

It's always a bummer when the car you just bought starts having trouble and shows its behind. Hopefully this will be the only issue it has for a long time.

I always assume that when you buy a cheaper, well used old car, to expect some immediate maintenance and repairs. Just hopefully nothing too major, and then it will be relatively sorted out.

Exactly...

Anyway, oxygen sensor on Tuesday was $425.
A lot of diagnostics and new plugs today was $300.
Bosch Icon wiper blades $57

Those are typical wear items you could expect on a car like that. What would irritate me is if the drivetrain developed issues. A smokey motor or a bucking tranny would be much worse.

stickguy

I am oddly liking this one. Not a bad little car for the money, to serve as a spare. Well equipped, zippy engine, comfy. And I like the color combo.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-buick-verano-4dr_sedan_premium_group-used-1g4pt5sv8d4140500.html

oldfarmer50

Must have been a dealer loaner:

https://albany.craigslist.org/ctd/d/new-lebanon-2020-ford-mustang-shelby/7248696140.html

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Munich forgive me, but I really like this Challenger R/T Scat Pack.

Those are fun and have a great exhaust note but they are huge cars. Takes something out of it for me.

But stupid fun nonetheless.

sda

stickguy said:

I am oddly liking this one. Not a bad little car for the money, to serve as a spare. Well equipped, zippy engine, comfy. And I like the color combo.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-buick-verano-4dr_sedan_premium_group-used-1g4pt5sv8d4140500.html

Those with a Turbo are rare. Too bad the back seat room is so limited. Nice car overall.

Michaell

stickguy said:

I am oddly liking this one. Not a bad little car for the money, to serve as a spare. Well equipped, zippy engine, comfy. And I like the color combo.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-buick-verano-4dr_sedan_premium_group-used-1g4pt5sv8d4140500.html

I like that.

corvette

sda said:

stickguy said:

I am oddly liking this one. Not a bad little car for the money, to serve as a spare. Well equipped, zippy engine, comfy. And I like the color combo.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-buick-verano-4dr_sedan_premium_group-used-1g4pt5sv8d4140500.html

Those with a Turbo are rare. Too bad the back seat room is so limited. Nice car overall.

Yes, I think the Regal might have had the turbo standard at some point before it was canned.

xwesx

explorerx4 said:

You guys have the wrong idea about shoveling snow.
It's great exercise, makes you feel more alive(although usually sore the next day) and is a good opportunity to connect with your neighbors or help them out.

That's wisdom (and experience) talking there! Power the pushers!

xwesx

kyfdx said:

Downside to a flat-4 vs inline-4

2 oxygen sensors per side. 4 total.

Had one replaced on Tuesday. Check engine light back on Thursday. Back in shop, today.

Sensors are not cheap.

How many miles on the car again? In my experience, the catalytic converters do tend to need replacing around 160-170,000 miles. I generally replace oxygen sensors around 120,000 miles as preventative maintenance on them, but the dreaded P0420 code is bound to start returning that that more advanced mileage. At that point, there's not much left to do but replace the cats (expensive!).

That said, I have never replaced a Subaru cat, and my highest miled example was my first, at 220,000 miles. Even at those miles, the code was intermittent. However, it was frequent enough that the CEL would not turn off unless I scanned and cleared the codes between events (once every few days).

xwesx

corvette said:

$425 for only one out of four oxygen sensors? That sounds steep, as do the wiper blades, I think they're usually cheaper on Amazon.

Unless they seriously changed things, the Forester only has two oxygen sensors. The exhaust routing merges fairly soon after the gas exists the engine - the first sensor is located in front of the engine just aft of the merger, and the second one is behind the engine just aft of the catalytic converter.

ab348

stickguy said:

I am oddly liking this one. Not a bad little car for the money, to serve as a spare. Well equipped, zippy engine, comfy. And I like the color combo.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-buick-verano-4dr_sedan_premium_group-used-1g4pt5sv8d4140500.html

Colors are good, engine power is good. The Verano Turbo regularly beat the Acura ILX in comparison tests which means that it must be a pretty good car given the typical biases of today's auto journos. I would be concerned about a miled-up one with a turbo like that though. Rear seat room is the same or slightly better than a Cruze or Focus, probably not much different from any other compact. Even though I'm a GM guy I never could bring myself to like the styling of the Verano. The front end seemed squeezed somehow and I didn't care for the rear treatment with the chrome eyebrows over the taillights.

oldfarmer50

sda said:

stickguy said:

I am oddly liking this one. Not a bad little car for the money, to serve as a spare. Well equipped, zippy engine, comfy. And I like the color combo.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-buick-verano-4dr_sedan_premium_group-used-1g4pt5sv8d4140500.html

Those with a Turbo are rare. Too bad the back seat room is so limited. Nice car overall.

How about a Regal? I always like the style of those. Might make a better cheap knock around car.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/831201759/overview/?aff=atempest&cmp=atempest&utm_source=AutoTempest&utm_medium=TRP&utm_campaign=atempest