Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

I've seen those Osprey's in aircraft mode headed back to Norfolk when we were in Hatteras.

When we first saw it, the propellers were in hovering position. Then, they tilted forward, as they flew slowly, but never saw them in "normal" position.

The closest base to here is Wright-Patt in Dayton, about 60 miles. But, we rarely see military aircraft here. The original Cincinnati airport (Lunken Field - LUK) is only about three miles away, across the river, though.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

omarman said:

I think somebody already posted that Camaro love = thin the herd. Predictions?

The Charger is the obvious choice. If his wife drives the Camaro at all, I'm also going to predict the 500c, as, although they are very different, it and the Camaro are both 2+2 cars.

I know the kiddies like the Charger but I wonder which they will choose to ride in.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

corvette said:

omarman said:

I think somebody already posted that Camaro love = thin the herd. Predictions?

The Charger is the obvious choice. If his wife drives the Camaro at all, I'm also going to predict the 500c, as, although they are very different, it and the Camaro are both 2+2 cars.

I know the kiddies like the Charger but I wonder which they will choose to ride in.

They like the new one of course, but only if only one kid going for a ride. The backseat is completely useless for humans of any size.

venture

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

corvette said:

omarman said:

I think somebody already posted that Camaro love = thin the herd. Predictions?

The Charger is the obvious choice. If his wife drives the Camaro at all, I'm also going to predict the 500c, as, although they are very different, it and the Camaro are both 2+2 cars.

I know the kiddies like the Charger but I wonder which they will choose to ride in.

They like the new one of course, but only if only one kid going for a ride. The backseat is completely useless for humans of any size.

They were always like that, weren't they?

I have a friend who has a '69 Z-28 and, from what I remember, the back "seat" was very small then too.

graphicguy

@laurasdada ...you act like anyone here wouldn’t buy a new car because we wanted a different color. The mere fact you’re here tells us you’re one of us. We’ll do a trade for less than color swap....much less!!!!!!

breld

I was going to hold off since there's no actual punch, but I figured I'd confess that we placed an order for a Tesla Model Y.

We went to the mall on Sunday so my wife could pick up an order at Talbot's, then she asked me if there's anything else I wanted to look at. "Well...I suppose we could stop by the Tesla shop."

She and I had gone back to the Ford store Saturday so she could get seat time in the Mach E. She was impressed the same as I was and appreciated the looks of it. So we thought it'd be nice to take another look at the Tesla.

As different as they are aesthetically, we like both the Ford and the Tesla, with me leaning just a bit toward the Mach E and her leaning slightly to the Tesla. The more proven nature of the Tesla and its charging network makes for a pretty easy tiebreaker. My wife thinks the Mach E (or Polestar or other offerings) could be our second EV, but if we want one now, the Tesla is the way to go.

Thing is, I want to hold off on taking delivery until there's more certainty on new legislation on tax incentives. No reason to be too hasty and lose out on $7k. The Tesla salesperson said I could place the order, get in the queue and delay delivery. So...that's what we did. And then I got a call yesterday that we had a match available in town, to which I kindly replied that I'd hold off.

tifighter

Ha. Nicely done. But I'll wait for delivery before I share the secret handshake.

nyccarguy

breld said:

I was going to hold off since there's no actual punch, but I figured I'd confess that we placed an order for a Tesla Model Y.

We went to the mall on Sunday so my wife could pick up an order at Talbot's, then she asked me if there's anything else I wanted to look at. "Well...I suppose we could stop by the Tesla shop."

She and I had gone back to the Ford store Saturday so she could get seat time in the Mach E. She was impressed the same as I was and appreciated the looks of it. So we thought it'd be nice to take another look at the Tesla.

As different as they are aesthetically, we like both the Ford and the Tesla, with me leaning just a bit toward the Mach E and her leaning slightly to the Tesla. The more proven nature of the Tesla and its charging network makes for a pretty easy tiebreaker. My wife thinks the Mach E (or Polestar or other offerings) could be our second EV, but if we want one now, the Tesla is the way to go.

Thing is, I want to hold off on taking delivery until there's more certainty on new legislation on tax incentives. No reason to be too hasty and lose out on $7k. The Tesla salesperson said I could place the order, get in the queue and delay delivery. So...that's what we did. And then I got a call yesterday that we had a match available in town, to which I kindly replied that I'd hold off.

There are some incredibly strong Audi E-Tron deals floating around out there on ye olde interwebs

tifighter

As a sidenote, I was curious what Tesla would offer for trade on the 3, y'know, for scientific purposes. Came back with $45K, which seems competitive for a car that was $57.5K (after tax credit) 2.5 years ago. That's 22% depreciation.

nyccarguy

tifighter said:

As a sidenote, I was curious what Tesla would offer for trade on the 3, y'know, for scientific purposes. Came back with $45K, which seems competitive for a car that was $57.5K (after tax credit) 2.5 years ago. That's 22% depreciation.

Asking for a friend are we?

breld

tifighter said:

As a sidenote, I was curious what Tesla would offer for trade on the 3, y'know, for scientific purposes. Came back with $45K, which seems competitive for a car that was $57.5K (after tax credit) 2.5 years ago. That's 22% depreciation.

That is impressive.

By the way, I would have been happy to use your reference code, but given @jpp75 loaned us his Model 3 for a few days, I figured it was only fitting to use his.

breld

nyccarguy said:

breld said:

I was going to hold off since there's no actual punch, but I figured I'd confess that we placed an order for a Tesla Model Y.

We went to the mall on Sunday so my wife could pick up an order at Talbot's, then she asked me if there's anything else I wanted to look at. "Well...I suppose we could stop by the Tesla shop."

She and I had gone back to the Ford store Saturday so she could get seat time in the Mach E. She was impressed the same as I was and appreciated the looks of it. So we thought it'd be nice to take another look at the Tesla.

As different as they are aesthetically, we like both the Ford and the Tesla, with me leaning just a bit toward the Mach E and her leaning slightly to the Tesla. The more proven nature of the Tesla and its charging network makes for a pretty easy tiebreaker. My wife thinks the Mach E (or Polestar or other offerings) could be our second EV, but if we want one now, the Tesla is the way to go.

Thing is, I want to hold off on taking delivery until there's more certainty on new legislation on tax incentives. No reason to be too hasty and lose out on $7k. The Tesla salesperson said I could place the order, get in the queue and delay delivery. So...that's what we did. And then I got a call yesterday that we had a match available in town, to which I kindly replied that I'd hold off.

There are some incredibly strong Audi E-Tron deals floating around out there on ye olde interwebs

I have indeed been looking at those and working up my handy dandy lease spreadsheet.

I certainly like the styling of the Audi. As an EV option though, I wish it had more range than its current 226 miles, and I wish it had more of the one-pedal driving ability.

But yes, seems like getting $18k-ish off the MSRP wouldn't be all that hard. And I have been getting e-mails from the sales manager at Audi Denver asking if he can provide me a "VIP offer."

ab348

Speaking of Audis, the other day I saw an episode of "How It's Made: Dream Cars" where they followed the assembly process for an Audi S8. Really impressive to watch. Now I know why they are so expensive.

tifighter

breld said:

tifighter said:

As a sidenote, I was curious what Tesla would offer for trade on the 3, y'know, for scientific purposes. Came back with $45K, which seems competitive for a car that was $57.5K (after tax credit) 2.5 years ago. That's 22% depreciation.

That is impressive.

By the way, I would have been happy to use your reference code, but given @jpp75 loaned us his Model 3 for a few days, I figured it was only fitting to use his.

Oh yeah, if he was crazy enough to let you drive his car to a dealer, he deserves the referral. He's lucky you didn't trade it in out of habit.

nyccarguy

breld said:

nyccarguy said:

breld said:

I was going to hold off since there's no actual punch, but I figured I'd confess that we placed an order for a Tesla Model Y.

We went to the mall on Sunday so my wife could pick up an order at Talbot's, then she asked me if there's anything else I wanted to look at. "Well...I suppose we could stop by the Tesla shop."

She and I had gone back to the Ford store Saturday so she could get seat time in the Mach E. She was impressed the same as I was and appreciated the looks of it. So we thought it'd be nice to take another look at the Tesla.

As different as they are aesthetically, we like both the Ford and the Tesla, with me leaning just a bit toward the Mach E and her leaning slightly to the Tesla. The more proven nature of the Tesla and its charging network makes for a pretty easy tiebreaker. My wife thinks the Mach E (or Polestar or other offerings) could be our second EV, but if we want one now, the Tesla is the way to go.

Thing is, I want to hold off on taking delivery until there's more certainty on new legislation on tax incentives. No reason to be too hasty and lose out on $7k. The Tesla salesperson said I could place the order, get in the queue and delay delivery. So...that's what we did. And then I got a call yesterday that we had a match available in town, to which I kindly replied that I'd hold off.

There are some incredibly strong Audi E-Tron deals floating around out there on ye olde interwebs

I have indeed been looking at those and working up my handy dandy lease spreadsheet.

I certainly like the styling of the Audi. As an EV option though, I wish it had more range than its current 226 miles, and I wish it had more of the one-pedal driving ability.

But yes, seems like getting $18k-ish off the MSRP wouldn't be all that hard. And I have been getting e-mails from the sales manager at Audi Denver asking if he can provide me a "VIP offer."

There's a nice sized Costco incentive as well. 226 miles of range is fine. You'll trade it in before you need to recharge anyway:)-

nyccarguy

tifighter said:

As a sidenote, I was curious what Tesla would offer for trade on the 3, y'know, for scientific purposes. Came back with $45K, which seems competitive for a car that was $57.5K (after tax credit) 2.5 years ago. That's 22% depreciation.

That's very impressive depreciation indeed.

corvette

I wonder what percentage of used Teslas are sold through the Tesla dealer network compared to other brands. My hunch is it's higher than normal, because I rarely see used Teslas on other dealer lots. If my hunch is correct, I'm thinking that Tesla has a great deal of influence on the market prices of used Teslas.

andres3

The tires I bought for the TTS are 7/32nd's brand new. This turned out to be usefull as my 4 tires are at 5/32nds, and of course, just before a track weekend coming up this weekend, a nail is discovered in an unrepairable spot on one of my tires.

Just my luck! At least I can get away with 2 new tires on an AWD vehicle, and I'll put them on the front and do my best to make them match the rears after this weekend

Still... irreparable nails in expensive tires sucks!

P.S. It's on the inside shoulder block and I've canyon carved these and they barely leak. Probably the slowest leak of my life, the nail is in there as nice and tight as can be. Still, I'm risk adverse to "tracking them" like that.

andres3

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

More fun with KIA- this Stinger was damaged while the dealer was performing the latest recall:

Whose car is that? What dealer?

It belongs to a guy on a FB Stinger Owners group. The dealer was University Kia of Huntsville. They have told the guy that they will fix it, but I'd say its 50/50 at best as to whether it will be repaired properly.

How in the hell did they do that? How stupid was their mechanic to not put a rubber cover on the ¼ panel while the hood was up?

Said it before....my Stinger is a great car. All (save for one) the dealers are imbeciles around here.

I'd be pissed if that happened to my car while "in the shop."

tifighter

corvette said:

I wonder what percentage of used Teslas are sold through the Tesla dealer network compared to other brands. My hunch is it's higher than normal, because I rarely see used Teslas on other dealer lots. If my hunch is correct, I'm thinking that Tesla has a great deal of influence on the market prices of used Teslas.

That could be some of it. But I don't think there are that many 3's out there - while they came out in 2018, the bulk of deliveries happened after 2019, and most of those owners aren't looking to change out of them yet. And with OTA updates, they have most of the same features a new one has.

The prices from Carvana I posted yesterday sure felt high.

S/X are different. I don't expect the same residuals there. Y is too early to say, but I think we're looking at another 3 scenario, and maybe stronger.

breld

I imagine some of the inflated values for the Model 3 and Y are the ability to get it quicker, but delivery times from Tesla don't seem too bad at this point.

I'm intrigued enough by the Polestar2 that I just booked a test drive for tomorrow. I was on their website, and saw that Denver was a new location available for test drives where they bring the vehicle to you. They had a slot around lunchtime tomorrow - they'll bring to me at my office and give me half an hour with it. Pretty slick.

sda

andres3 said:

The tires I bought for the TTS are 7/32nd's brand new. This turned out to be usefull as my 4 tires are at 5/32nds, and of course, just before a track weekend coming up this weekend, a nail is discovered in an unrepairable spot on one of my tires.

Just my luck! At least I can get away with 2 new tires on an AWD vehicle, and I'll put them on the front and do my best to make them match the rears after this weekend

Still... irreparable nails in expensive tires sucks!

P.S. It's on the inside shoulder block and I've canyon carved these and they barely leak. Probably the slowest leak of my life, the nail is in there as nice and tight as can be. Still, I'm risk adverse to "tracking them" like that.

That bites...better safe than sorry. I had to replace a tire that also had a nail where it wasn't possible to repair. It was a new car and didn't have 100 miles on it yet, didn't make it from Sat (the day we bought it) to Monday morning when my wife said she had a flat tire!

qbrozen

breld said:

I was going to hold off since there's no actual punch, but I figured I'd confess that we placed an order for a Tesla Model Y.

We went to the mall on Sunday so my wife could pick up an order at Talbot's, then she asked me if there's anything else I wanted to look at. "Well...I suppose we could stop by the Tesla shop."

She and I had gone back to the Ford store Saturday so she could get seat time in the Mach E. She was impressed the same as I was and appreciated the looks of it. So we thought it'd be nice to take another look at the Tesla.

As different as they are aesthetically, we like both the Ford and the Tesla, with me leaning just a bit toward the Mach E and her leaning slightly to the Tesla. The more proven nature of the Tesla and its charging network makes for a pretty easy tiebreaker. My wife thinks the Mach E (or Polestar or other offerings) could be our second EV, but if we want one now, the Tesla is the way to go.

Thing is, I want to hold off on taking delivery until there's more certainty on new legislation on tax incentives. No reason to be too hasty and lose out on $7k. The Tesla salesperson said I could place the order, get in the queue and delay delivery. So...that's what we did. And then I got a call yesterday that we had a match available in town, to which I kindly replied that I'd hold off.

Is this in exchange for the Toyota? No. Wait. The Leaf?? But where's that going? Only way to get out of it is to pay the remaining payments and turn it in, right?

tifighter

I assumed the X3.

28firefighter

This week on as the BMW turns.... the wagon has decided that, what I presume is, the clutch master cylinder (or slave maybe), no longer meets the bar. Clutch engagement is getting progressively closer to the floor. Doesn't seem to be slipping though. I took some of the covers off to expose the brake fluid reservoir and I'm not seeing anything obviously leaking, so it'll be off to my guy to put it on a lift and tell me what I'm in for.

xwesx

28firefighter said:

off to my guy to put it on a lift and tell me what I'm in for.

Life.

roadburner

28firefighter said:

This week on as the BMW turns.... the wagon has decided that, what I presume is, the clutch master cylinder (or slave maybe), no longer meets the bar. Clutch engagement is getting progressively closer to the floor. Doesn't seem to be slipping though. I took some of the covers off to expose the brake fluid reservoir and I'm not seeing anything obviously leaking, so it'll be off to my guy to put it on a lift and tell me what I'm in for.

If the bolts that hold the clutch slave cylinder backed out that could also be the issue.

tjc78

xwesx said:

28firefighter said:

off to my guy to put it on a lift and tell me what I'm in for.

Life.

Retirement fund.

Sandman6472

Wait a minute here, I'm a bit confused. The Leaf is still in your garage but you're looking to get a Tesla now. What happens with the Leaf then? And weren't you just looking at a used BMW? Think I need a game card here because now, I'm totally confused. You guys sure keep your insurance guy busy. Guessing the Leaf just isn't holding your interest. I've never driven one but did drive a Tesla once. I do see why folks like it. Fast as hell, fun to drive, short learning curve on driving with just the accelerator.
But again, where does this leave the poor Leaf in the near future? It's a lease I'm guessing so maybe one of the kids could take it over until the term is up.

Sandman6472

Thinking that an EV auto could work out pretty good for us sooner than later. Still liking the Bolt so will wait until the new ones come out in the next year. Think if I can get one for reasonable money and it has a range of 300 miles/charge or more, think it'll definitely work for my d d. Doubt the amount of power used would be more than we're spending now on petrol, betting it would be maybe half. Plus no oil changes. Could work out just fine really. And then that would be three Chevy's in the family.

stickguy

today's thought from the son about his next car was the 2022 Golf R. Thought that might be a good all around option. AWD, hatchback practicality, and still really fast. Without being terribly expensive.

28firefighter

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:

This week on as the BMW turns.... the wagon has decided that, what I presume is, the clutch master cylinder (or slave maybe), no longer meets the bar. Clutch engagement is getting progressively closer to the floor. Doesn't seem to be slipping though. I took some of the covers off to expose the brake fluid reservoir and I'm not seeing anything obviously leaking, so it'll be off to my guy to put it on a lift and tell me what I'm in for.

If the bolts that hold the clutch slave cylinder backed out that could also be the issue.

Oooo. Good intel - thanks!

And hardly the retirement fund...I’m not taking it to the dealer...

nyccarguy

tifighter said:

I assumed the X3.

The more and more X3 M40i ‘s I see, the more I like them.

stickguy

I should have my son buy it, but he isn't in the market until the end of the year. No way it lasts that long.

nyccarguy

Took my Dad’s 2018 Yukon to my indie mechanic. Just needed some routine maintenance. Oil change ($5.49/QT Mobil 1 0W20 from Napa.com), oil filter, brake fluid, transmission fluid, transmission fluid filter & gasket, & some fresh rear differential fluid. He’s got a tick over 72,000 miles and his truck will be 3 years old on 4/1.

xwesx

nyccarguy said:

Took my Dad’s 2018 Yukon to my indie mechanic. Just needed some routine maintenance. Oil change ($5.49/QT Mobil 1 0W20 from Napa.com), oil filter, brake fluid, transmission fluid, transmission fluid filter & gasket, & some fresh rear differential fluid. He’s got a tick over 72,000 miles and his truck will be 3 years old on 4/1.

That man spends a whole lot of time behind the wheel!

breld

tifighter said:

I assumed the X3.

That’s right. I wish I had given more consideration to the Model Y when I was getting the X3, so we’re considering just replacing it now.

But I do genuinely like the X3, so we’ll see. I’m obviously a bit obsessed with getting an EV (well, one nicer than the Leaf).

kyfdx

nyccarguy said:

tifighter said:

I assumed the X3.

The more and more X3 M40i ‘s I see, the more I like them.

@breld 's used car store is open. He is a one price dealer, but it's a good price, and he has the model you are looking for..

graphicguy

@ab348 ...thought about you last night while I was watching this....

https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2021-cadillac-ct4-v

ab348

Yeah, not a bad car and competitive with offerings from elsewhere. I'm not a fan on the styling changes at the rear, though. Around here at least they are not selling at all.

nyccarguy

kyfdx said:

nyccarguy said:

tifighter said:

I assumed the X3.

The more and more X3 M40i ‘s I see, the more I like them.

@breld 's used car store is open. He is a one price dealer, but it's a good price, and he has the model you are looking for..

I'd love to buy from him. He's no pressure, excellent price, $0 doc fee, & no endless hours in the finance office. I think even at his good price, the X3 is out of my price range.

kyfdx

nyccarguy said:

kyfdx said:

nyccarguy said:

tifighter said:

I assumed the X3.

The more and more X3 M40i ‘s I see, the more I like them.

@breld 's used car store is open. He is a one price dealer, but it's a good price, and he has the model you are looking for..

I'd love to buy from him. He's no pressure, excellent price, $0 doc fee, & no endless hours in the finance office. I think even at his good price, the X3 is out of my price range.

What? If you need help rationalizing a ridiculous purchase, you've come to the right place.

au1994

ab348 said:

Yeah, not a bad car and competitive with offerings from elsewhere. I'm not a fan on the styling changes at the rear, though. Around here at least they are not selling at all.

Great looking inside and out, I think and a good performer too. But like you, I never see them in the wild.

stickguy

I need a car soon. a nice X3 could work. I forget what the color combo is though. That is important.

tjc78

X3 looks great in white.

andres3

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Decided to run down to Colorado Springs (just like 45 miles away) this morning to check this out.



2019 M2 Comp, 22k miles, DCT.

Same miles as the 2018 I’m considering, so a bit high for the year, but it does have 2 years of warranty left.

Listed at $54k. They seemed happy to match or do a bit better than other offers on the Supra, and say there’s room on the M2 price.

Bottom line that I need to think about...if it’s a swap for the 2018, is $6-7k out of pocket for a Comp worth it. And is it actually a better deal?

Yeah, see, now ya lost me. Your excuse was to get a manual, but now it seems you forgot that one and are just focused on any M2. Why?

Like you pointed out earlier, a big part of the fun is the hunt. But yeah, that’s how it’s going...hmm, I think I’d like to get back into a manual...the M2 would make a lot of sense...dang, those M2 Comps are nice...hmm, I think I’d be just fine with the DCT if I get a Comp...

And then I’m kinda back where I started with the Supra.

Is the Supra a DCT or the usual ZF 8 speed?

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:

Decided to run down to Colorado Springs (just like 45 miles away) this morning to check this out.



2019 M2 Comp, 22k miles, DCT.

Same miles as the 2018 I’m considering, so a bit high for the year, but it does have 2 years of warranty left.

Listed at $54k. They seemed happy to match or do a bit better than other offers on the Supra, and say there’s room on the M2 price.

Bottom line that I need to think about...if it’s a swap for the 2018, is $6-7k out of pocket for a Comp worth it. And is it actually a better deal?

I understand the urge but isn’t that car substantially the same as what you have? From my perspective that would be like trading my Mustang in for a Camaro.

You just made a lot of Chevy and Ford fanboys roll in their graves.

breld

andres3 said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Decided to run down to Colorado Springs (just like 45 miles away) this morning to check this out.



2019 M2 Comp, 22k miles, DCT.

Same miles as the 2018 I’m considering, so a bit high for the year, but it does have 2 years of warranty left.

Listed at $54k. They seemed happy to match or do a bit better than other offers on the Supra, and say there’s room on the M2 price.

Bottom line that I need to think about...if it’s a swap for the 2018, is $6-7k out of pocket for a Comp worth it. And is it actually a better deal?

Yeah, see, now ya lost me. Your excuse was to get a manual, but now it seems you forgot that one and are just focused on any M2. Why?

Like you pointed out earlier, a big part of the fun is the hunt. But yeah, that’s how it’s going...hmm, I think I’d like to get back into a manual...the M2 would make a lot of sense...dang, those M2 Comps are nice...hmm, I think I’d be just fine with the DCT if I get a Comp...

And then I’m kinda back where I started with the Supra.

Is the Supra a DCT or the usual ZF 8 speed?

ZF 8 speed.

breld

Polestar 2 test drive process was slick. The car was waiting for us right in front of our office at the scheduled time of 11:45. The “salesperson” gave us a quick rundown of the vehicle and then let us go on our own for a test drive (about half an hour). When we returned she obviously asked what we thought, and then whisked the car away.

breld

Driving wise, it competes well with the Model 3, which is to say it was wonderful. Acceleration was quick - I think it splits the difference between a “regular” Model 3 and the Model 3 Performance. One pedal driving was present and strong.

Being a fan of Volvos, I like the styling inside and out, though I have to admit, it sort of resembles a raised Scion TC. Nevertheless, I felt more drawn to the Polestar than other EVs - felt more...”me.” Size-wise, it wouldn't be a great replacement for the X3, even with its hatchback.

If it were less expensive, I’d actually consider it as a replacement for the Supra. But...

You’re pretty much at $62k before tax incentives. Add another $5k for the Performance Package.