Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

corvette said:

Haven't been here since 2007... Should I take the Tundra? *scratches chin*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoFPHsc8Vc

All fun and games until you meet somebody doing the same thing coming the other way.

Never saw him cross the double yellows, so what's the problem?

It’s the potential for the guy coming the other way to cross the line that’s the problem.

au1994

stickguy said:

speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy (if I do decide to spend the money). Would probably help to narrow down requirements.

But, the new GTI looks interesting still. I kinda like the Kona. The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing. Lots of sedans, but don't think I really need one of those. Go nuts and get a Miata, then never hear the end of it from the wife maybe...

I am curious to see the new design Civic when it comes out. And what models they offer (and if any sticks).

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go. Should try out one of them. But still somewhat big. Would come in handy now, with a couple of moves coming up for the princess (being able to tow would save money) and would be nice to be able to take stuff up to our son's place as we try to downsize (dumping it all on him doesn't bother my wife too much!) And if not him, taking stuff to donate or sell would be much easier with a truck.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out. Unless I can find a good deal on a used one, but those don't seem to even exist any longer.

so who knows.

No bad choices there! I am a fan of the Ridgeline. For guys like me that really don’t need a truck for heavy duty hauling or towing but still want the convenience of the bed, it’s a great option. Unfortunately I don’t think it leases well. About the only ‘compact’ that does is of course the Tacoma and its not a bad choice at all. Just a little ‘truckier’ than the Ridgeline. I don’t spend a lot of time over there but have seen some decent deals on the Ram 1500 and F150 on Leasehakr. Of course those are LARGE!

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

OF, did you income change? that is the only thing (well, dying would!) that should change your payout, since the calculation is based on your most recent tax return. Though since it it actually paid on the current year, when you do the taxes at the end of the year it will calculate if you are due something that you did not get up front.

With the first one, my son got a payout, but they sent him one of those debit cards and he did not realize what it was and just tossed it on his desk. About 6 months later we were talking about it with his sister and it dawned on him that he had actually gotten it. Luckily he was able to find it still. The whole process was a big cobbled together on the fly in terms of how different people got the payment.

If I understand correctly, your combined income has to exceed $150k for income to effect the check. We’re nowhere near that. As for my sons, the younger one gets SS disability due to his autism and the older one is an Uber gig worker who has been out of action most of the year so why one would get it but not the other is a puzzle.

For me it’s less about the money than it is about the principle of the thing.

tjc78

Michaell said:

For you audiophiles in the group...

My wife went on a little shopping spree last week so I played with her and told her I bought a new receiver for the theater room. She so played into it...

Her: “what was that, $1000?”....
Me: “No, $3200”
Her: “WHAT?”

Kept it going for about an hour.

oldfarmer50

I think I saw qbrozen driving his Camaro the other day.

https://youtu.be/-tnqMpz-EIQ

Speaking of Camaros, I was at a Chevy dealer yesterday and I commented to a salesman that a friend had recently gotten a killer lease on one. He seemed surprised by the statement and said “well, the lease deals have gotten better but I wouldn’t say they are killers”. Maybe it’s a regional thing.

graphicguy

tjc78 said:

Michaell said:

For you audiophiles in the group...

My wife went on a little shopping spree last week so I played with her and told her I bought a new receiver for the theater room. She so played into it...

Her: “what was that, $1000?”....
Me: “No, $3200”
Her: “WHAT?”

Kept it going for about an hour.

LOL!

GF was over Sunday and pondered how much money I had tied up in equipment I’ve set up in my dedicated music room.

“Less than the last vacation I took you on.” That happened to be 2 weeks in Italy. She “harrumphed” and left the room.

stickguy

I have no need for a big truck. A modest size bed with an extender should be fine for carrying bulky stuff. And if I tow it would be smaller trailer. Baby U haul or utility trailer to carry some furniture or maybe bags of dirt. I won’t ever have a camper, and not likely to haul around cars. Even a ridgeline is a big vehicle by my standards! So the next size down would be fine.

I bet Honda would sell a ton of PUs based on maybe the CRV platform. Chop a couple feet off a ridgeline, make it a few inches skinnier and shrink the nose. Good to go!

breld

@stickguy:

...speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy

Also @stickguy:

...the new GTI looks interesting still.

I kinda like the Kona.

The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing.

Go nuts and get a Miata

I am curious to see the new design Civic

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out.

stickguy

Right. That’s hardly any!

Of the new cars, keeping to some semi-reasonable budget (should cap at $20k, so stretch to 25k, meaning it ends up being 30k) the GTI as a fun, stick shift toy, the Maverick as a utility option, or next Civic as a combo economical/somewhat fun practical car. Oh, could look at next Bolt if not too expensive.

Of course, all of these are not even out yet! I do like new releases.

Michaell

breld said:

@stickguy:

...speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy

Also @stickguy:

...the new GTI looks interesting still.

I kinda like the Kona.

The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing.

Go nuts and get a Miata

I am curious to see the new design Civic

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out.

Sounds like one of our lunch discussions.

tjc78

breld said:

@stickguy:

...speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy

Also @stickguy:

...the new GTI looks interesting still.

I kinda like the Kona.

The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing.

Go nuts and get a Miata

I am curious to see the new design Civic

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out.

That is his short list.

sda

stickguy said:

speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy (if I do decide to spend the money). Would probably help to narrow down requirements.

But, the new GTI looks interesting still. I kinda like the Kona. The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing. Lots of sedans, but don't think I really need one of those. Go nuts and get a Miata, then never hear the end of it from the wife maybe...

I am curious to see the new design Civic when it comes out. And what models they offer (and if any sticks).

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go. Should try out one of them. But still somewhat big. Would come in handy now, with a couple of moves coming up for the princess (being able to tow would save money) and would be nice to be able to take stuff up to our son's place as we try to downsize (dumping it all on him doesn't bother my wife too much!) And if not him, taking stuff to donate or sell would be much easier with a truck.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out. Unless I can find a good deal on a used one, but those don't seem to even exist any longer.

so who knows.

It's a little disappointing to see the reliability of Acura and Honda decreasing somewhat. Most of the issues from what I gather are infotainment glitches and the auto nannies giving false warnings or just freezing. CR wasn't in love with the new TLX either. My SIL '19 RDX Advance has been perfect mechanically but in the shop many times for infotainment updates other issues including interior panels coming loose.

breld

Obviously it's funny because we either understand or are right there with you!

breld

This thing is beautiful, but my goodness the price...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-bmw-530i-22/

I sold my identical one in Topaz Blue with much less miles for a cool $10,000 a few years ago.

And, I had the opportunity to buy another one locally for something like $7,000 but passed.

breld

Has anyone brought this one up yet? 3 hours to go!

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lM7bOyM/1991-honda-accord-lx-coupe

stickguy

sda said:

stickguy said:

speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy (if I do decide to spend the money). Would probably help to narrow down requirements.

But, the new GTI looks interesting still. I kinda like the Kona. The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing. Lots of sedans, but don't think I really need one of those. Go nuts and get a Miata, then never hear the end of it from the wife maybe...

I am curious to see the new design Civic when it comes out. And what models they offer (and if any sticks).

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go. Should try out one of them. But still somewhat big. Would come in handy now, with a couple of moves coming up for the princess (being able to tow would save money) and would be nice to be able to take stuff up to our son's place as we try to downsize (dumping it all on him doesn't bother my wife too much!) And if not him, taking stuff to donate or sell would be much easier with a truck.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out. Unless I can find a good deal on a used one, but those don't seem to even exist any longer.

so who knows.

It's a little disappointing to see the reliability of Acura and Honda decreasing somewhat. Most of the issues from what I gather are infotainment glitches and the auto nannies giving false warnings or just freezing. CR wasn't in love with the new TLX either. My SIL '19 RDX Advance has been perfect mechanically but in the shop many times for infotainment updates other issues including interior panels coming loose.

Ours turned 1 last weekend, at 4,900 miles. Zero issues. And after using it, they are way overblowing the interface. No worse than any other system that has a pad or knobs to use. And in many ways, preferred over a touch screen.

stickguy

breld said:

Has anyone brought this one up yet? 3 hours to go!

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lM7bOyM/1991-honda-accord-lx-coupe

Lovely. One of the best cars ever made. Peak Honda over-engineering era. Too bad I haven’t seen one around here in decades without rust on the rear wheel fender lips.

sda

breld said:

Has anyone brought this one up yet? 3 hours to go!

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lM7bOyM/1991-honda-accord-lx-coupe

I like the EX wheels that replaced the ugly LX steelies with plastic wheel covers. Exterior cosmetics not as nice as I would have thought yet it is 30 yr old! Nice interior.

pensfan83

breld said:

Has anyone brought this one up yet? 3 hours to go!

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lM7bOyM/1991-honda-accord-lx-coupe

I had a 4th gen coupe as my first car. White over maroon and it was auto.

I must confess that sometimes very well kept but mass produced and mundane cars like this draw me in more than flashier, less common ones. It does matter, of course, what those mundane cars are though. An '84 Ford Tempo isn't going to do the job

pensfan83

stickguy said:

sda said:

stickguy said:

speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy (if I do decide to spend the money). Would probably help to narrow down requirements.

But, the new GTI looks interesting still. I kinda like the Kona. The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing. Lots of sedans, but don't think I really need one of those. Go nuts and get a Miata, then never hear the end of it from the wife maybe...

I am curious to see the new design Civic when it comes out. And what models they offer (and if any sticks).

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go. Should try out one of them. But still somewhat big. Would come in handy now, with a couple of moves coming up for the princess (being able to tow would save money) and would be nice to be able to take stuff up to our son's place as we try to downsize (dumping it all on him doesn't bother my wife too much!) And if not him, taking stuff to donate or sell would be much easier with a truck.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out. Unless I can find a good deal on a used one, but those don't seem to even exist any longer.

so who knows.

It's a little disappointing to see the reliability of Acura and Honda decreasing somewhat. Most of the issues from what I gather are infotainment glitches and the auto nannies giving false warnings or just freezing. CR wasn't in love with the new TLX either. My SIL '19 RDX Advance has been perfect mechanically but in the shop many times for infotainment updates other issues including interior panels coming loose.

Ours turned 1 last weekend, at 4,900 miles. Zero issues. And after using it, they are way overblowing the interface. No worse than any other system that has a pad or knobs to use. And in many ways, preferred over a touch screen.

After having some doubts about using the touchpad I agree, it's not as difficult as what people make it out to be and I don't even drive the car regularly.

Michaell

pensfan83 said:

breld said:

Has anyone brought this one up yet? 3 hours to go!
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lM7bOyM/1991-honda-accord-lx-coupe

I had a 4th gen coupe as my first car. White over maroon and it was auto.

I must confess that sometimes very well kept but mass produced and mundane cars like this draw me in more than flashier, less common ones. It does matter, of course, what those mundane cars are though. An '84 Ford Tempo isn't going to do the job

I owned a '93 DX Sedan with a 5 speed - maroon over grey. Even as a poverty spec (no A/C, crank windows), you could still feel the quality in the engineering.

I kept it for 5.5 years and just under 60,000 miles - it spent a lot of time in various airport parking lots, as I was traveling a lot during that time.

ab348

breld said:

@stickguy:

...speaking of buying cars, I read the annual CR auto issue tonight. And realized that there are really not too many cars I really am excited enough about to want to buy

Also @stickguy:

...the new GTI looks interesting still.

I kinda like the Kona.

The upcoming Maverick is very intriguing.

Go nuts and get a Miata

I am curious to see the new design Civic

Maybe a Ridgeline is the way to go.

Maybe a cheap lease on a PU of some sort would work out.

If you remember Mikey, the kid from the Life cereal ad of years ago whose brothers said "he hates everything", Stick is the anti-Mikey of the car-buying world.

xwesx

andres3 said:

This guys running the course 11 seconds faster than me; who should be more embarrassed, me or him? I love Spring Mountains track.

I'm not sure that either of you should. 11 seconds is a long time in racing, though.

Sandman6472

The "EPC" light went off on the way to work this morning so guess it was a false reminder and boy, am I glad. Really don't want to put anymore $ into the Golf for the next year or two if possible. Since I've cut down my driving by over 2/3rd's, think this is doable as all it'll need this year is an oil/filter change and a tire rotation. Probably could stand a good blow out for about an hour on the expressway to be honest as I hardly ever get it out to stretch it's legs at all. I usually only drive it in about a 8 mile radius around our house to be honest. Going to work, the grocery store and the drug/Target store is mainly where it goes. We stay home when we don't need anything and have taken this pandemic very seriously. Our daughter is a first responder and keeps telling us that this covid is indeed very real and that we need to be very careful where we go and to always wear a mask. Feel a bit better since we've both been vaccinated but not letting our guard down yet as we're so close to the goal posts really.
Have heard rumors that once the U S is declared "safe" again, that at work we'll be going back to more folks in the 15 packs but not stuffed in like before. Possibly 8 folks/van or maybe less so we can move more vehicles per run. But don't really see that happening until closer to years end to be honest...October maybe.
Most business travel is not back to pre-covid levels and not sure it'll ever be what it once was. Businesses have found out that, for the most part, things are still getting done with folks "WFH" and that their expenses are down as well. Many tasks can be done this way and Zoom meetings are working. Not sure we'll ever go back to the way things as they once were, and don't think it's necessarily such a bad thing! I just would like for the little things to come back when it's safe to do so. Going to the mall to get a quick bite to eat or going out for an ice cream cone, little things like that that used to be so much fun. I want my life back to be honest as it wasn't much for most, but it was ours!

Sandman6472

Saw a new Bolt while at the Chevy store in Miami last Friday and like what I saw! The size is right and hopefully the new model coming out will be priced right with federal rebates for going EV that make it affordable for most Americans, somewhere around $25K or so. Make it affordable and I guarantee folks like me will jump aboard the electric train...make it affordable & reliable with enough range that we won't be afraid to drive long distances if need be. Make it work in today's busy life and I'll be first in line to sign up. It's really the range that I have some issues with but get it between 350 to 450 miles per charge and know that'll satisfy myself and many others. And make them fast chargers so it won't be necessary to plug it in every night, maybe like every third or so night.
And they must be reliable, with no lingering issues so folks can count on them starting & going every time. Give it these few things and think the majority of folks will be willing to give electric a chance. I for one, am very excited about it and think it'll work as my d d going forward! And it might just bring folks like me back to our domestic brands once again!

andres3

xwesx said:

andres3 said:

This guys running the course 11 seconds faster than me; who should be more embarrassed, me or him? I love Spring Mountains track.

I'm not sure that either of you should. 11 seconds is a long time in racing, though.

I know, but it is a long 3.4 mile track, which counters how drastic 11 seconds is a bit (tames it a bit). But also, my car can be used as a daily, his can't

I downloaded "TRACK ADDICT" for the first time late in the weekend. Just the free version. Heard some good things about Harry's Lap Timer as the best app but it costs a bit. Slippery slope onward from here.

qbrozen

andres3 said:

xwesx said:

andres3 said:

This guys running the course 11 seconds faster than me; who should be more embarrassed, me or him? I love Spring Mountains track.

I'm not sure that either of you should. 11 seconds is a long time in racing, though.

I know, but it is a long 3.4 mile track, which counters how drastic 11 seconds is a bit (tames it a bit). But also, my car can be used as a daily, his can't

I downloaded "TRACK ADDICT" for the first time late in the weekend. Just the free version. Heard some good things about Harry's Lap Timer as the best app but it costs a bit. Slippery slope onward from here.

It was not a very fast “racecar.” No idea what it is, but not even hitting 120 on the long straight. The advantage is he doesn’t have to worry about damaging his car and trying to explain it to the insurance company.

Harry’s lap timer is pretty cool.

stickguy

Sandy I don't think you are getting to real-world range of 350+ (definitely not 450) miles on an affordable EV any time soon. That would really move the needle on acceptance! they good thing is greatly expanded charging networks now (thank VW diesels for that one). But not too much worry about starting and running, since it doesn't really start! More like just turn on since it is a laptop on wheels.

I don't want to have to make charging stops in the middle of a trip. But as long as the majority of my charging can be done at night in the garage, with a few times I might want to travel but can just charge at the end before returning, so not really causing much disruption. the newer, much faster charging networks should be a great help with that.

roadburner

breld said:

This thing is beautiful, but my goodness the price...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-bmw-530i-22/

I sold my identical one in Topaz Blue with much less miles for a cool $10,000 a few years ago.

And, I had the opportunity to buy another one locally for something like $7,000 but passed.

The E39 and E34 are considered by many to be the best 5ers of all. An E39 Sport with three pedals would be my choice. I just received the April issue of Classic Cars and the cover story was a comparison of V8 sedans from several eras, and the E39 540i was in the mix:

sda

Even fast chargers take 25 or more minutes to get decent range back. For traveling I will take a 5-10 minute fill up with gas and not have range anxiety or have to search for charging stations.

stickguy

yes, that is ideal. But I would never get an EV if I intended to travel with it. But might be something I needed to do (or would at least be prepared and able to) just in case.

stickguy

poking around on Rodo, found a pretty good deal. 2021 Passport EX-L, so well equipped. MSRP $39,700. 36 month lease, $339 DAS/$339/month. If I needed something like that I would take it.

Sandman6472

I think as long as one vehicle in the fleet is a gasser for those longer trips, an EV could definitely work as the around town vehicle. Think that even though I do love the Golf, an EV product makes more sense going forward. Having the ability to charge it up a bit at night is a bonus. And if going on a trip or something, I'd have to factor in some time to sit and get a charge during the day at like a Wawa. But one's mindset has to change and also, one needs an EV vehicle with improved range. And think that's the wave of the future here in America. So many of us are getting fed up with petrol prices and how they rise and fall so quickly. But also, the government needs to reward folks who go this route with more tax breaks to get to that affordability rate of around $26K to $30K.
If so, I'm all in!

qbrozen

I disagree about the gov helping people buy cars, regardless of what powers them. This country is in enough debt as it is.

I’m also concerned about the increasing use of EVs. For one thing, our power companies’ infrastructure can’t handle it. Secondly, that same infrastructure is still too heavily dependent on fossil fuels anyway, so it is merely passing the pollution and resources depletion buck.

au1994

stickguy said:

poking around on Rodo, found a pretty good deal. 2021 Passport EX-L, so well equipped. MSRP $39,700. 36 month lease, $339 DAS/$339/month. If I needed something like that I would take it.

Thats a pretty solid deal and I think the EX-L is the sweet spot of the line up. I thought I saw one as low as 309/mo over the weekend but it may have been an LX 2WD. Ive seen EX-L AWD for 339-349.

tjc78

An electric would be tough for us, not so much at home but down at our campground. They gouge us for electric and charging a car there would cost almost double what it costs at home.

It’s 120 miles round trip, so I guess if don’t drive much while there it would be possible to make it home without a charge.

At any rate, unless there was a screaming lease on something I’ll stick with gas.

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

I think as long as one vehicle in the fleet is a gasser for those longer trips, an EV could definitely work as the around town vehicle. Think that even though I do love the Golf, an EV product makes more sense going forward. Having the ability to charge it up a bit at night is a bonus. And if going on a trip or something, I'd have to factor in some time to sit and get a charge during the day at like a Wawa. But one's mindset has to change and also, one needs an EV vehicle with improved range. And think that's the wave of the future here in America. So many of us are getting fed up with petrol prices and how they rise and fall so quickly. But also, the government needs to reward folks who go this route with more tax breaks to get to that affordability rate of around $26K to $30K.
If so, I'm all in!

You want to spend hours hanging around Wawa? I’d lose my mind.

As to gas prices, yeah they do fluctuate but if EV becomes the transportation standard, electricity prices are bound to rise as well. Not to mention a lack of capacity if restrictions on fossil fuel generation become harsher.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

An electric would be tough for us, not so much at home but down at our campground. They gouge us for electric and charging a car there would cost almost double what it costs at home.

It’s 120 miles round trip, so I guess if don’t drive much while there it would be possible to make it home without a charge.

At any rate, unless there was a screaming lease on something I’ll stick with gas.

Most likely you would just plan a supplies run to a Walmart that has a charging station in the parking lot, and top it up while you shop.

stickguy

Though 120 RT leaves plenty of extra capacity

venture

For those asking, the stimulus money was in my checking account this morning. We get one now that I quit the rat race.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

I disagree about the gov helping people buy cars, regardless of what powers them. This country is in enough debt as it is.

I’m also concerned about the increasing use of EVs. For one thing, our power companies’ infrastructure can’t handle it. Secondly, that same infrastructure is still too heavily dependent on fossil fuels anyway, so it is merely passing the pollution and resources depletion buck.

I posted this on another forum:

When will there be as many charging stations as there are gasoline pumps?
When will we see an EV that can pick up at least 300 miles of range from a ten minute charge?
When will EVs sell for the same price as an equivalent ICE powered vehicle- without government subsidies?
Where will the extra capacity for the power grid come from if/when the Shiny Happy Greenies push everyone into EVs?

No one responded.

pensfan83

I anticipate we'll at least look at a few BEVs or PHEVs when the Acura lease is up but I'm personally in no hurry to make the transition yet. You can also count me as another person who disagrees with government and state subsidizing the purchases as well.

roadburner

I’d like another i3 for a commuter, but for any other use I want an ICE or a PHEV.

carnaught

Definitely would not want an EV if I lived now in the Greater LA area - numerous power outages there. Also a problem, among other things, if a belligerent country gets control of our power grid.

sda

stickguy said:

tjc78 said:

An electric would be tough for us, not so much at home but down at our campground. They gouge us for electric and charging a car there would cost almost double what it costs at home.

It’s 120 miles round trip, so I guess if don’t drive much while there it would be possible to make it home without a charge.

At any rate, unless there was a screaming lease on something I’ll stick with gas.

Most likely you would just plan a supplies run to a Walmart that has a charging station in the parking lot, and top it up while you shop.

If you could get a parking spot to charge it. I noticed at my last company parking lot, the same cars parked and charged there daily, hogging the spot. They were supposed to only be allowed to charge for 2 hrs or so and then move to another spot out of courtesy to allow others to do the same. But no.. The lot wasn't monitored well so there's that.

stickguy

I assume not as much of an issue at a charge America set up in the Walmart lot. I could see it being a problem at an office building.

corvette

carnaught said:

Definitely would not want an EV if I lived now in the Greater LA area - numerous power outages there. Also a problem, among other things, if a belligerent country gets control of our power grid.

You could charge slowly at 120v with a gas powered portable generator. If they even allow gas generators in LA...

carnaught

corvette said:

carnaught said:

Definitely would not want an EV if I lived now in the Greater LA area - numerous power outages there. Also a problem, among other things, if a belligerent country gets control of our power grid.

You could charge slowly at 120v with a gas powered portable generator. If they even allow gas generators in LA...

I guess. That’s if you have the generator, want to slowly use up the gas for a slow charge and if you even want to use gas.

xwesx

andres3 said:

xwesx said:

andres3 said:

This guys running the course 11 seconds faster than me; who should be more embarrassed, me or him? I love Spring Mountains track.

I'm not sure that either of you should. 11 seconds is a long time in racing, though.

I know, but it is a long 3.4 mile track, which counters how drastic 11 seconds is a bit (tames it a bit). But also, my car can be used as a daily, his can't

I downloaded "TRACK ADDICT" for the first time late in the weekend. Just the free version. Heard some good things about Harry's Lap Timer as the best app but it costs a bit. Slippery slope onward from here.

Yeah, and that's what I meant. You're probably running some excellent times for a "street car," and he's probably running respectable times for what his track car is. So, embarrassed? Naw. It's all good as long as there's a grin on your face at the end.

xwesx

Well, if you're going to criticize EV subsidies, make sure you are not forgetting that the US heavily subsidizes "fossil" fuels, which is why we enjoy such a low price at the pump compared to many other parts of the world.

So, even though the prices are creeping up to/over (over here) $3.00 per gallon again, that's a heck of a lot cheaper than it "really" costs.