Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

explorerx4

Volvo Mach E?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOltcNb1hc

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Michaell said:

Posted on a Slack thread at work - thought it might be appropriate here.

Here's one from a few months ago that I like:

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

Volvo Mach E?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOltcNb1hc

Volvo blew away Benz and BMW in the swoopy CUV design.

ab348

qbrozen said:

Volvo blew away Benz and BMW in the swoopy CUV design.

Not a good time to be a Volvo dealer though, at least on the surface. Volvo selling direct to the consumer (assuming there isn't too much resistance to their one-price model) leaves very little for their dealer network to do. I wonder how they intend to deal with that issue.

oldfarmer50

au1994 said:

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

Now this I want to see in person. I’ve been waiting for an actual compact, compact truck to come out again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOqL2fdjJFs

Wow! That's the one that was here in Fairbanks. It looked just like that, down to the camo. I don't think it's really all that small. Maybe "mid-size" from the early '00s. It may not be longer than the old Ranger, but I think it is most definitely wider. And, honestly, that's good. If this thing can hold a 4' sheet of plywood, etc., flat in the bed, then it's a winner.

I too would be in on the Maverick. Looks like the perfect size to me along with the upcoming Hyundai El Camino. The name escapes me at the moment but probably a desert or mountain range.

If it was priced around $20k as someone mentioned, I’d give it a look although I’d rather have the 2.3 ecoboost from the Ranger than the 1.5 turbo from the Fusion.

stickguy

Hyundai Santa Cruz I think.

On the Maverick (and I really want to know what the length and width on that one are) it is supposed to base with the 1.5l engine, with the 2.0t as the optional. Not likely getting the 2.3l.

one video I saw said it was unclear if it was actually based on the new Bronco sport platform (C2?) or the existing Transit Connect platform (C1). The old one makes a lot of sense if it is really being geared toward the S. American market. But hopefully it is on the newer version.

that Ram 1000 looks cool too. More like the Hyundai than the Maverick which looks like a real PU.

corvette

oldfarmer50 said:

corvette said:

Haven't been here since 2007... Should I take the Tundra? *scratches chin*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoFPHsc8Vc

All fun and games until you meet somebody doing the same thing coming the other way.

That's killboy's video... He's the guy who photographs people on the Tail. Which is probably also why he's hugging the far right side of the road the entire time.

breld

qbrozen said:

explorerx4 said:

Volvo Mach E?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOltcNb1hc

Volvo blew away Benz and BMW in the swoopy CUV design.

I love the design of that upcoming C40. Same platform as the XC40 and Polestar 2, so a bit smaller than the Mach E.

All of them seem to be right around $60k (before incentives) - with a range closer to 300 miles, it could be more enticing, but I believe the Polestar’s 233 miles is the highest of all of them.

Michaell

Since everyone has been running their ride through Carvana, I thought I'd do the same for the Outback.

6 years old, just 41K on the clock, pretty great but not perfect condition.

$19,871

sda

Out of curiosity yesterday checked Carvana on the Passat, $13767. Today I received this in the mail. The dealerI bought it from 5 months ago is encouraging me to trade!

qbrozen

Ran the bimmer again. About $4k under buyout. Lol.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

explorerx4 said:

Volvo Mach E?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOltcNb1hc

Volvo blew away Benz and BMW in the swoopy CUV design.

"Swoopy CUV design" is akin to "fat stripper."

oldfarmer50

sda said:

Out of curiosity yesterday checked Carvana on the Passat, $13767. Today I received this in the mail. The dealerI bought it from 5 months ago is encouraging me to trade!

They must send that offer out only to “mature” owners since many of the youngins’ never were taught to read script. Kind of like manual shifting, it dies with us.

corvette

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:

Out of curiosity yesterday checked Carvana on the Passat, $13767. Today I received this in the mail. The dealerI bought it from 5 months ago is encouraging me to trade!

They must send that offer out only to “mature” owners since many of the youngins’ never were taught to read script. Kind of like manual shifting, it dies with us.

It looks like a kind of block / cursive hybrid to me. I do the same thing.

fintail

It's also fake, that's a printed font, not handwritten, made to give people a sense of personal attention and urgency.

IIRC cursive isn't being taught anymore. I am old enough to where it was still a mainstream thing, and I looked forward to learning it - I wanted to learn something intricate and mature like that. Even now, if I take time with it, I can produce elaborate script handwriting, and I sign documents like someone a few generations before me.

oldfarmer50 said:

They must send that offer out only to “mature” owners since many of the youngins’ never were taught to read script. Kind of like manual shifting, it dies with us.

fintail

Not saying much, as the MB and BMW "coupe" CUVs are unpretty, to put it nicely. The Volvo isn't a show winner either, but it might be less blobby.

qbrozen said:

Volvo blew away Benz and BMW in the swoopy CUV design.

corvette

The Tacoma looks really sharp in Barcelona Red.

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corvette said:

The Tacoma looks really sharp in Barcelona Red.

I agree, that was my second choice.

ab348

fintail said:

IIRC cursive isn't being taught anymore. I am old enough to where it was still a mainstream thing, and I looked forward to learning it - I wanted to learn something intricate and mature like that. Even now, if I take time with it, I can produce elaborate script handwriting, and I sign documents like someone a few generations before me.

I remember the workbook on cursive writing we had to use in elementary school. I believe it was called the Palmer method.

qbrozen

fintail said:

Not saying much, as the MB and BMW "coupe" CUVs are unpretty, to put it nicely. The Volvo isn't a show winner either, but it might be less blobby.

qbrozen said:

Volvo blew away Benz and BMW in the swoopy CUV design.

I actually like the volvo.

I saw one today for the first time that caught my attention: Audi Q8. Very mean looking. I like it quite a bit, but it is too big for me.

sda

@qbrozen, impressions on the Camero? Likes, dislikes?

tjc78

Likes: power
Dislikes: rear tires already need replacing.

corvette

@sda he probably can't hear you over the sound of the active exhaust.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

It's also fake, that's a printed font, not handwritten, made to give people a sense of personal attention and urgency.

IIRC cursive isn't being taught anymore. I am old enough to where it was still a mainstream thing, and I looked forward to learning it - I wanted to learn something intricate and mature like that. Even now, if I take time with it, I can produce elaborate script handwriting, and I sign documents like someone a few generations before me.

oldfarmer50 said:

They must send that offer out only to “mature” owners since many of the youngins’ never were taught to read script. Kind of like manual shifting, it dies with us.

Fake? You mean that guy didn’t write thousands of handwritten notes to everyone? I feel cheated.

Next you’ll be telling us that they really won’t be giving me thousands over book value for my rusty Yugo.

fintail

But there's demand! Customers are coming in looking for your car!

oldfarmer50 said:

Fake? You mean that guy didn’t write thousands of handwritten notes to everyone? I feel cheated.

Next you’ll be telling us that they really won’t be giving me thousands over book value for my rusty Yugo.

Sandman6472

Like the Volvo also and looks like the size would be perfect for my needs. A neighbor a few houses down has the new XC40 in white and I'm liking it. Think it's just over 174" so might just fit on my side of the garage. But really thinking seriously about going EV with my next vehicle. I'm really a perfect candidate with the low amount of miles that I drive now. And I'm in no hurry at this point to dump the VW, meaning I can wait a year or two so there will be more product to choose from. Have a strong feeling that I'll still be under 3K of miles for the current year. A 2023 or 2024 model could definitely work though think I'd want one by the end of 2022 if possible.
Was down in Miami yesterday delivering a Highlander to a Chevy store and petrol prices were close to $2.99/gallon of regular. Right outside of MIA, saw it going for $3.99/gallon of regular which I found obscene really yet there were folks filling their rental vehicles! Just a block down, it was a buck cheaper...couldn't believe it honestly!

Sandman6472

Got to drive a 2019 Toyota Highlander yesterday and was very impressed with it. Reminded me of the Rav4 which I love to be honest. The Highlander drove just as nice and also had spot on ergonomics to be honest. I've always been a Toyota fan and would be quite happy owning another one someday to be honest. And the Corolla hatchback is still at the top of my short list. Would be like going full circle ending up with another Toyota product. So we shall see as it could be a reality someday soon.

corvette

The current RAV4 Prime seems to be similar to the 2006-ish RAV4 V6 (RAV6?)... Very fast, but more horsepower than the chassis, suspension, and tires can handle.

qbrozen

sda said:

@qbrozen, impressions on the Camero? Likes, dislikes?

The power is just ridiculous. More than just 0-60 can tell you. The passing power is unreal. Transmission is quite good, and I always appreciate a manual mode that allows bouncing off the limiter.

Head unit is very good. I love the wireless carplay, the responsiveness, the sound quality, etc. I don’t love not being able to surf channels via the steering wheel. It will only skip through your programmed faves (which I have yet to program).

I think that is about where the positives end.

Storage is nonexistent. Does not even have decent door pockets. I got 2 cupholders. That’s it. If the front 2 people each have a drink, there is no place for my phone. I can lay it next to the shifter, but then it is on the floor the first time I stab the go pedal.

Driver’s seat is not friendly toward my back. No lumbar support, and the recline is limited. Who does that? I have never been in a car where the recline is limited by travel rather than a bulkhead or the backseat.

It is rather crashy and boomy over bad pavement. Sometimes sounds/feels like stereotypical GM quality.

Given the choice, I’d still take my Charger for practicality, livability, and comfort. Only if flat out being a hooligan is the Camaro a better choice.

sda

I’m a little surprised by your comments on ride. From what I’ve read it is one of the better riding cars of that type, perhaps that isn’t saying much. Enjoy the Camaro not Camero, I know better..spell check changed the spelling without me noticing.

qbrozen

sda said:

I’m a little surprised by your comments on ride. From what I’ve read it is one of the better riding cars of that type, perhaps that isn’t saying much. Enjoy the Camaro not Camero, I know better..spell check changed the spelling without me noticing.

Correct in that it is not saying much. However, it is also possible to get the fancy suspension, which mine does not have, of course. The magneride from GM is a wonderful thing and would make a world of difference, surely.

qbrozen

Just found instructions on how to fix the seat recline (involves removing the seat and drilling out metal travel limiters from the factory), which I will likely do since I have to live with the car for 6 mos.

corvette

The Charger has a longer wheelbase, yes? That might account for some of the ride quality differences. That, plus its weight.

qbrozen

corvette said:

The Charger has a longer wheelbase, yes? That might account for some of the ride quality differences. That, plus its weight.

Plus smaller wheels plus softer suspension.

They are not comparable in any way other than both being v8 Rwd ‘murican muscle cars. And they are both in my driveway.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

sda said:

@qbrozen, impressions on the Camero? Likes, dislikes?

The power is just ridiculous. More than just 0-60 can tell you. The passing power is unreal. Transmission is quite good, and I always appreciate a manual mode that allows bouncing off the limiter.

Head unit is very good. I love the wireless carplay, the responsiveness, the sound quality, etc. I don’t love not being able to surf channels via the steering wheel. It will only skip through your programmed faves (which I have yet to program).

I think that is about where the positives end.

Storage is nonexistent. Does not even have decent door pockets. I got 2 cupholders. That’s it. If the front 2 people each have a drink, there is no place for my phone. I can lay it next to the shifter, but then it is on the floor the first time I stab the go pedal.

Driver’s seat is not friendly toward my back. No lumbar support, and the recline is limited. Who does that? I have never been in a car where the recline is limited by travel rather than a bulkhead or the backseat.

It is rather crashy and boomy over bad pavement. Sometimes sounds/feels like stereotypical GM quality.

Given the choice, I’d still take my Charger for practicality, livability, and comfort. Only if flat out being a hooligan is the Camaro a better choice.

No lumbar support? I’ve seen them have separate buttons near the seat controls and some have a lever on the right side of the driver’s seat. That’s pretty crude on a 2021.

I absolutely agree about the Charger being more practical. That’s one of the few sedans that feels like a full sized car with good visibility.

xwesx

My wife taught both of our children to write. They may be among the only ones of their generation to be able to do it! My daughter leans toward the artistic, so she takes full advantage. My son, on the other hand....

omarman

is planning to be a doctor?

roadburner

I think you have to option Recaros to get decent seats in a Camaro.

Sandman6472

Q, you mentioned "6 months"...why is that? Are you planning on getting out before the contractual time period ends? Have driven a few over the years at work and they are fun but not sure I'd like one as my d d. My son-in-law has his second, a 2021 I think, a very nice blue with silver stripes he special ordered from the factory. It's an "RS" and has the black bow ties on the front and rear, that's about all I know. He got my daughter into a top of the line 2019 Cruze, again with the "RS" badging and the black bow ties which she likes a whole lot. Have driven hers a couple of times and it really is a nice cruiser to be honest. I would've preferred the hatchback but she found it a bit too cramped for her needs. A shame GM decided to cancel it in their line-up as it's one of their products I was truly interested in. The second is the Bolt, the newer model that's due out before years end.

corvette

Sandman6472 said:

Are you planning on getting out before the contractual time period ends?

Just refer to the group title and his number of punches for the answer.

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

Q, you mentioned "6 months"...why is that? Are you planning on getting out before the contractual time period ends? Have driven a few over the years at work and they are fun but not sure I'd like one as my d d. My son-in-law has his second, a 2021 I think, a very nice blue with silver stripes he special ordered from the factory. It's an "RS" and has the black bow ties on the front and rear, that's about all I know. He got my daughter into a top of the line 2019 Cruze, again with the "RS" badging and the black bow ties which she likes a whole lot. Have driven hers a couple of times and it really is a nice cruiser to be honest. I would've preferred the hatchback but she found it a bit too cramped for her needs. A shame GM decided to cancel it in their line-up as it's one of their products I was truly interested in. The second is the Bolt, the newer model that's due out before years end.

I believe he got the lease at such a bargain that he’s planning on flipping it in a few months and making money on the deal. I don’t understand how that can be done but as long as Q does who am I to question.

roadburner

I'm keeping an eye on this BaT M4. Austin yellow is not my favorite color, but my wife and I both like it because it's different from the usual black/silver/white hues.

ab348

How’s the Denver-area contingent making out with the big snow that was forecast?

corvette

roadburner said:

I'm keeping an eye on this BaT M4. Austin yellow is not my favorite color, but my wife and I both like it because it's different from the usual black/silver/white hues.

That's definitely a color! I'm clueless on pricing on these, but with the low miles, I'm guessing well north of $30k when the gavel falls.

Michaell

ab348 said:

How’s the Denver-area contingent making out with the big snow that was forecast?

Ugh. 15” so far, and that was as of a couple hours ago. Blizzard warning until midnight. Have not seen a plow on our street yet.

Shoveled / snow blow the driveway twice today. Hate to think what it looks like now. My body is sore already.

Update - just had to shovel a path in the backyard for the doxies. 2-3 foot drifts back there.

roadburner

corvette said:

roadburner said:

I'm keeping an eye on this BaT M4. Austin yellow is not my favorite color, but my wife and I both like it because it's different from the usual black/silver/white hues.

That's definitely a color! I'm clueless on pricing on these, but with the low miles, I'm guessing well north of $30k when the gavel falls.

It’s an early car, so no Competition Package, plus no Adaptive M Suspension. Aside from that it’s very well equipped.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

I'm keeping an eye on this BaT M4. Austin yellow is not my favorite color, but my wife and I both like it because it's different from the usual black/silver/white hues.

Fair bit of info available with some googling and a manheim listing. Unfortunately, not graded at Manheim and didn’t sell through there. But it is an OH title at a FL dealer. States the front bumper has been painted and is “acceptable.” Tires are all mid-life. Dealer listed it on Ebay a month ago for $47k. Approx auction value, depending on that bumper, is just south of $40k.

explorerx4

Snow tires on that M4. Plus another interesting question.

stickguy

I like that yellow though. Looks good.

corvette

stickguy said:

I like that yellow though. Looks good.

No chance of not being able to find it in a parking lot!