Civic is definitely lightyears better looking than the current one. Pretty nice overall. Hate the screen sticking way out of the dash, though. The blue looks like my former Grabber Blue mustang, which of course was a throwback to the grabber blue that started in 1969.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
@Sandman6472 said:
A bit unhappy about the top two vehicles on my short list might just be too big for my garage space. Still going to wait until they both come out and test drive them and then bring them home to see how they fit. Just something we'll need to wait & see how things play out, luckily the Golf is behaving and I'm not driving that much.
Hopefully they will fit. If not, that stinks to be honest
@nyccarguy - congrats to your sister. We all can get into the details and pick apart the deal, but at the end of the day, she’s getting into a new model for the same money in this crazy market.
Update. My sister told the dealer that current GLC is a stretch for her already. If they make the payment $450 (30/12K) including NY Tax, tire/wheel protection & scheduled maintenance with just 1st & DMV DAS then she'll take it. If not, she told the salesman that she'll just wait until her lease is up in April. The salesman called her back a few hours later and told her she has to take delivery this coming Saturday. She said "sure."
Somebody needed one more unit to make his bonus. Sometimes the stars align.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
We went to another MB dealer yesterday and they immediately offered 2% off sticker. Not saying it’s a great deal, but given the conditions I’d say it’s at least fair.
I don’t think I’ve experienced a mark up on something I tried to buy since I got a PT Cruiser for the ex wife when those came out and they were only trying to get 1500.
I’m going to try the order route on the 4xe from Mall of Georgia. If that still doesn’t come back as a good deal, I guess I’m just out at this point. I hope this chip shortage doesn’t last 4 years. I may go into withdrawals if thats the case.
One oddity in all of this…after the ridiculous number on the Land Cruiser, I put the X1 into KBB for the cash offer option. Came back just under 21k which I found shockingly low for this market. 44k miles and typically equipped for a BMW…premium plus pkg, pano roof but no sport seats. I thought it would at least hit 25k in this madness.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
@au1994, You need to try multiple sources for buy quotes. They can vary quite a bit. When I sold my truck last August, I got 2 quotes. They were 5k apart.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
that Civic hatch is really tickling my fancy right now (but as we all know, my fancy is very, very fickle). Really just what I need. Perfect size, I love a liftback hatch, quick enough to be entertaining, good handling and with new tires can really be upgraded, all the features I need, great MPG, stick available. All for a pretty reasonable price brand new (and given a choice, I prefer new).
Just need to get into one to test sit (if the seats aren't great, I ain't buying) and see how it drives (that I am not expecting any issues with). Will look at a sedan if the hatches are going to be later intro. Maybe this weekend if they are out!
I have a typical routine to keep the wife happy when I am looking. Stop at a dealer, look/drive, then go to the nearest brewery for a cold one to discuss! And there are a couple of good ones real close to the Honda dealer.
@au1994, You need to try multiple sources for buy quotes. They can vary quite a bit. When I sold my truck last August, I got 2 quotes. They were 5k apart.
And I’ll do that when we can find something she likes. Believe it or not, she likes the new grill on the 4 series. Caveat is she has some very specific color combo’s one being a light interior. The dealers here love to keep black interiors on the lot.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Well, a Honda Civic with a real transmission -- excellent. Exterior colors, none. You can choose black or white -- oh boy. Maybe it'll improve in time.
I have not checked to see if they have the build page up on the hatch. But yeah, that was a bummer on the last model. why not a few more colors, no clue to me.
@au1994, You need to try multiple sources for buy quotes. They can vary quite a bit. When I sold my truck last August, I got 2 quotes. They were 5k apart.
+1
On the 2016 T&C, Carvana was nearly $1,100 more than Carmax or Vroom. Not $5k, but not exactly peanuts either.
And on the 2018 F150, Carmax offered $32.5 and the small dealer who bought it wrote me a check on the spot for $37.5. Which is $5k, so there you go.
@breld said: @nyccarguy - congrats to your sister. We all can get into the details and pick apart the deal, but at the end of the day, she’s getting into a new model for the same money in this crazy market.
That’s why I suggested it. Crazy market right now and taking advantage of the high trade in value. I’m not well versed in how that model leases but $450 all in for that vehicle doesn’t seem like a terrible deal. I’ve seen $400+ Camry leases ….
@au1994, You need to try multiple sources for buy quotes. They can vary quite a bit. When I sold my truck last August, I got 2 quotes. They were 5k apart.
And I’ll do that when we can find something she likes. Believe it or not, she likes the new grill on the 4 series. Caveat is she has some very specific color combo’s one being a light interior. The dealers here love to keep black interiors on the lot.
I do not like and do not want a black interior. It isn't a total deal breaker, but a very strong negative at least.
Kinda like the whole black wheels thing. Not my cup of tea, thank you.
I’m not keen on a black interior either, yet that’s what I have with the Passat. I haven’t found it as objectionable as I thought it might be. With wood grain, textured aluminum accents, a light off white headliner and sunroof help brighten up the interior.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
just for fun, I submitted my yet-to-arrive Jeep to Vroom. They came back with $49k. A little low. Carvana doesn't recognize the vin. I won't try autonation until I have the vehicle.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Feeding my chronic tire buyers itch, I scored 4 OEM (triple 5-spoke B8.5 S4 wheels clad with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's with only 1,000 or so miles of wear and a year's age in a garage for $750. Already mounted.
Only catch, one of the wheels was bashed into by a CA driver that can't drive worth a lick, with enough force to cause a heavy S4 two complete 360's, which you can see on the 4s's rubber that something happened! LOL.
The bright side is that it looks like only surface damage to the wheel, though over something like 75% of the wheels' surface! Needs a good sandblast and refinish I think.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Given a choice I would get something other than black interior. Though my last Honda (2005 Accord) had black leather, and it was not that bad. At least my car lives in a garage! Depends on the other parts (dash, carpet, headliner) as to how it comes together. Actually, my TLX was black, but seat surfaces were cloth. That, the red trim, and lighter dash parts brightened it up enough.
so, if the car is otherwise something I really want, I will compromise on the interior.
Only catch, one of the wheels was bashed into by a CA driver that can't drive worth a lick, with enough force to cause a heavy S4 two complete 360's, which you can see on the 4s's rubber that something happened! LOL.
The bright side is that it looks like only surface damage to the wheel, though over something like 75% of the wheels' surface! Needs a good sandblast and refinish I think.
Better tread with caution on that one. It would really surprise me if the wheel took a hit like that and it didn't at least fatigue the aluminum at/near the mounting points. It would be a really bad deal to have a wheel failure with your driving style... and your driving style puts a lot of stress on a wheel!
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
Given a choice I would get something other than black interior. Though my last Honda (2005 Accord) had black leather, and it was not that bad. At least my car lives in a garage! Depends on the other parts (dash, carpet, headliner) as to how it comes together. Actually, my TLX was black, but seat surfaces were cloth. That, the red trim, and lighter dash parts brightened it up enough.
so, if the car is otherwise something I really want, I will compromise on the interior.
Same here. As much as I generally like light interiors, it doesn't take me long to adapt to whatever color it ends up being.
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
@qbrozen Now that you have the ML drivable, work on the Coronet next?
eventually. gotta fit it in with all the socializing my wife is thrusting upon us.
Also, funny you should mention that. Last night, as I was in my driveway finishing a woodworking project, I was listening to the lively banter of my neighbors down the hill. I got to thinking about how often they seem to have a big crew of folks over there and when it was that I last had folks over to our place just to visit. Honestly.... I don't remember! Years, at least. Other than working at the office, I don't socialize at all (outside of this forum!).
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
Also, funny you should mention that. Last night, as I was in my driveway finishing a woodworking project, I was listening to the lively banter of my neighbors down the hill. I got to thinking about how often they seem to have a big crew of folks over there and when it was that I last had folks over to our place just to visit. Honestly.... I don't remember! Years, at least. Other than working at the office, I don't socialize at all (outside of this forum!).
I should move to Alaska! Oh wait, I hate dealing with snow.
Her folks were here Friday night. Saturday morn I had to mess with the pool salt system a bit, then I got some time in the afternoon to finish up the Benz. Then Sunday (father's day of all things), I had to go spend it at her sister's house. This Sat, she has us totally booked with folks from our martial arts school coming here for training and a BBQ. And she keeps bugging me to arrange a trip with the kids. Not her, mind you, just me and the kids.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Socializing is good for you. When you reach a certain age, you will never regret the time you spent with friends and family. At least the parts of your family that you get along with!
I don’t think I’ve experienced a mark up on something I tried to buy since I got a PT Cruiser for the ex wife when those came out and they were only trying to get 1500.
I’m going to try the order route on the 4xe from Mall of Georgia. If that still doesn’t come back as a good deal, I guess I’m just out at this point. I hope this chip shortage doesn’t last 4 years. I may go into withdrawals if thats the case.
One oddity in all of this…after the ridiculous number on the Land Cruiser, I put the X1 into KBB for the cash offer option. Came back just under 21k which I found shockingly low for this market. 44k miles and typically equipped for a BMW…premium plus pkg, pano roof but no sport seats. I thought it would at least hit 25k in this madness.
Three years ago we paid around $21k for my wife E84 X1.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
@qbrozen Now that you have the ML drivable, work on the Coronet next?
eventually. gotta fit it in with all the socializing my wife is thrusting upon us.
My wife and I belong to an informal supper club. Each couple hosts a dinner once a year, so there's a dinner every quarter. Aside from that we go out to dinner with my uncle or a few other couples every few months. Aside from my son, I'm more than happy with meeting the rest of the relatives only on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Feeding my chronic tire buyers itch, I scored 4 OEM (triple 5-spoke B8.5 S4 wheels clad with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's with only 1,000 or so miles of wear and a year's age in a garage for $750. Already mounted.
Only catch, one of the wheels was bashed into by a CA driver that can't drive worth a lick, with enough force to cause a heavy S4 two complete 360's, which you can see on the 4s's rubber that something happened! LOL.
The bright side is that it looks like only surface damage to the wheel, though over something like 75% of the wheels' surface! Needs a good sandblast and refinish I think.
Only catch, one of the wheels was bashed into by a CA driver that can't drive worth a lick, with enough force to cause a heavy S4 two complete 360's, which you can see on the 4s's rubber that something happened! LOL.
The bright side is that it looks like only surface damage to the wheel, though over something like 75% of the wheels' surface! Needs a good sandblast and refinish I think.
Better tread with caution on that one. It would really surprise me if the wheel took a hit like that and it didn't at least fatigue the aluminum at/near the mounting points. It would be a really bad deal to have a wheel failure with your driving style... and your driving style puts a lot of stress on a wheel!
Saw our first EV at an office yesterday. It’s going to be interesting renting that car out since the office doesn’t have anything special to charge it with. Supposedly it takes 60 hours with a regular 110 outlet.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Saw our first EV at an office yesterday. It’s going to be interesting renting that car out since the office doesn’t have anything special to charge it with. Supposedly it takes 60 hours with a regular 110 outlet.
2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV 55 hours at 110v 7.5 hours at 220v
Newegg, which mostly sells computers and computer parts, had in their daily specials for today a charging station for electric cars. Seems they are becoming more mainstream.
Saw our first EV at an office yesterday. It’s going to be interesting renting that car out since the office doesn’t have anything special to charge it with. Supposedly it takes 60 hours with a regular 110 outlet.
Saw our first EV at an office yesterday. It’s going to be interesting renting that car out since the office doesn’t have anything special to charge it with. Supposedly it takes 60 hours with a regular 110 outlet.
Robotics like that always amaze me. It looks like the Santa Cruz is in full scale production, I wonder when we'll be able to drive one at the dealer? That and the Maverick have caught my interest.
Update. My sister told the dealer that current GLC is a stretch for her already. If they make the payment $450 (30/12K) including NY Tax, tire/wheel protection & scheduled maintenance with just 1st & DMV DAS then she'll take it. If not, she told the salesman that she'll just wait until her lease is up in April. The salesman called her back a few hours later and told her she has to take delivery this coming Saturday. She said "sure."
Somebody needed one more unit to make his bonus. Sometimes the stars align.
That happened with the 2002 Volvo S80 my parents bought. End of the month, and I think they had some sort of discretionary loyalty money, and used the rest of their allocation to make the deal happen.
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Hopefully they will fit. If not, that stinks to be honest
@nyccarguy - congrats to your sister. We all can get into the details and pick apart the deal, but at the end of the day, she’s getting into a new model for the same money in this crazy market.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Shopping at a local MB dealer last weekend, all their GLEs were marked up between $1,500 and $5,000.
I learned from the salesperson that the chip problem will cause these markups for another 4 years.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
We went to another MB dealer yesterday and they immediately offered 2% off sticker. Not saying it’s a great deal, but given the conditions I’d say it’s at least fair.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I’m going to try the order route on the 4xe from Mall of Georgia. If that still doesn’t come back as a good deal, I guess I’m just out at this point. I hope this chip shortage doesn’t last 4 years. I may go into withdrawals if thats the case.
One oddity in all of this…after the ridiculous number on the Land Cruiser, I put the X1 into KBB for the cash offer option. Came back just under 21k which I found shockingly low for this market. 44k miles and typically equipped for a BMW…premium plus pkg, pano roof but no sport seats. I thought it would at least hit 25k in this madness.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
You need to try multiple sources for buy quotes. They can vary quite a bit.
When I sold my truck last August, I got 2 quotes. They were 5k apart.
Just need to get into one to test sit (if the seats aren't great, I ain't buying) and see how it drives (that I am not expecting any issues with). Will look at a sedan if the hatches are going to be later intro. Maybe this weekend if they are out!
I have a typical routine to keep the wife happy when I am looking. Stop at a dealer, look/drive, then go to the nearest brewery for a cold one to discuss! And there are a couple of good ones real close to the Honda dealer.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
On the 2016 T&C, Carvana was nearly $1,100 more than Carmax or Vroom. Not $5k, but not exactly peanuts either.
And on the 2018 F150, Carmax offered $32.5 and the small dealer who bought it wrote me a check on the spot for $37.5. Which is $5k, so there you go.
That’s why I suggested it. Crazy market right now and taking advantage of the high trade in value. I’m not well versed in how that model leases but $450 all in for that vehicle doesn’t seem like a terrible deal. I’ve seen $400+ Camry leases ….
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Kinda like the whole black wheels thing. Not my cup of tea, thank you.
+1 on both counts. I will not own a car with black wheels.
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Too many black interiors in general these days. The wife’s Jetta is a black interior but I have managed 5 straight cars with tan interiors.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
Only catch, one of the wheels was bashed into by a CA driver that can't drive worth a lick, with enough force to cause a heavy S4 two complete 360's, which you can see on the 4s's rubber that something happened! LOL.
The bright side is that it looks like only surface damage to the wheel, though over something like 75% of the wheels' surface! Needs a good sandblast and refinish I think.
so, if the car is otherwise something I really want, I will compromise on the interior.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Same here. As much as I generally like light interiors, it doesn't take me long to adapt to whatever color it ends up being.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Her folks were here Friday night. Saturday morn I had to mess with the pool salt system a bit, then I got some time in the afternoon to finish up the Benz. Then Sunday (father's day of all things), I had to go spend it at her sister's house. This Sat, she has us totally booked with folks from our martial arts school coming here for training and a BBQ. And she keeps bugging me to arrange a trip with the kids. Not her, mind you, just me and the kids.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
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2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.