Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

I, actually kind of like it. Not sure the wife would approve though.

jmonroe1

@au1994 said:
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/6e735732-2415-4f19-981f-046dc6cce76d-jpeg.501408/

A Tuscadero has hit the lot. Its actually not as garish as I thought it might be.

WHEW, I’m going to go out on a limb (a big one) and say you failed your last eye exam.

jmonroe

tjc78

I could see that Jeep color being right at home at Malibu beach or Miami Beach.

au1994

Most of the feedback on the JL forum is positive and several orders have been placed.

benjaminh

Alex on Autos got a 0-60 time of 6.6 for the Civic Touring, as well as 39 mpg highway. Nice car, although it does lack lumbar support, rear ac, etc., even in the most loaded form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMa6P2VKZcU

au1994

I’ve noticed a couple of the new Civic’s on the road. Very nice looking and I had to do a double take on the first one as I thought it was an A3. 6.6 and 39 mpg seems a pretty good comprise. The lack of some options is curious, especially those 2 which seem like table stakes these days.

stickguy

the rear vents is odd. Not sure if they have something under the front seats. But not an issue for me since I never have anybody in the back usually.

the lumbar, that was surprising. But at least on my test drive, the lumbar felt fine to me. I never change it once set, so if they made it the way I want it, not an issue.

oldfarmer50

au1994 said:

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/6e735732-2415-4f19-981f-046dc6cce76d-jpeg.501408/

A Tuscadero has hit the lot. Its actually not as garish as I thought it might be.

Yuck!

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

Alex on Autos got a 0-60 time of 6.6 for the Civic Touring, as well as 39 mpg highway. Nice car, although it does lack lumbar support, rear ac, etc., even in the most loaded form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMa6P2VKZcU

I never thought the Civic or Corolla were anywhere near as nice as the Accord or Camry.

oldfarmer50

au1994 said:

I’ve noticed a couple of the new Civic’s on the road. Very nice looking and I had to do a double take on the first one as I thought it was an A3. 6.6 and 39 mpg seems a pretty good comprise. The lack of some options is curious, especially those 2 which seem like table stakes these days.

The Nissan Sentra or even the Altima can beat that mileage on a long trip. I don’t know about the 0-60 time but they both seem pretty fast.

mjfloyd1

@oldfarmer50 said:
The Nissan Sentra or even the Altima can beat that mileage on a long trip. I don’t know about the 0-60 time but they both seem pretty fast.

You are looking at this all wrong. Life is short. It is the smiles per gallon not the miles per gallon

oldfarmer50

mjfloyd1 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

The Nissan Sentra or even the Altima can beat that mileage on a long trip. I don’t know about the 0-60 time but they both seem pretty fast.

You are looking at this all wrong. Life is short. It is the smiles per gallon not the miles per gallon

Boy, ain’t that the truth.

Sandman6472

With our new a/c unit, 2018, we keep the temp at 79 and it's down right cold! Guessing it's a very efficient unit because our bills have been averaging around $120/month which I have no issue with. It's a York unit and when we bought it, our service contract company was pushing the brand. They highly recommended it and with the rebates we got, made sense to purchase it. We've been very pleased with it!

Michaell

Member needs help with a lease return

stickguy

weird situation over there.

cdnpinhead

Since so many people on here have gone nuts over Jeeps, I've been paying more attention, and they're all over the place. I guess some love to get what everyone else has, or maybe it's just coincidence. Anyway, it's hard to explain other than what's "in style."

Party on.

It's not as if more than 10% of them are going to be used off-road, as they were designed for. Let's see, who in here talks about wearing a vehicle?

Whatever.

qbrozen

@cdnpinhead said:
I guess some love to get what everyone else has, or maybe it's just coincidence.

Some love just getting a great lease deal on a cool vehicle. And there is no better deal on the market right now. 0.69% payment vs MSRP!

benjaminh

In a letter sent to its dealers on August 25, Honda warned that deliveries in September would fall by 40% compared to previous plans. The letter says this is due not only to the chip shortage, but also because covid is affecting production of parts at various plants, including in Asia. Clearly things are going to get worse before they get better. Probably less likely now that supplies will improve much by December. Might be some months into 2022 before supplies of new cars are more plentiful.

https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/honda-to-dealers-2022-civic-hatch-production-still-scheduled-for-late-september.50014/

tjc78

@qbrozen said:

@cdnpinhead said:
I guess some love to get what everyone else has, or maybe it's just coincidence.

Some love just getting a great lease deal on a cool vehicle. And there is no better deal on the market right now. 0.69% payment vs MSRP!

It’s a good deal, you can’t debate that.

nyccarguy

Good news. I got my truck back last night. The body work came out perfect! I’m very happy with the body shop. Bad news. The body shop got an email from the Allstate adjuster stating he wants me to send an email to supplement a claim for the right rear shock. I guess I’ll just get an estimate from Toyota to fix it and email it in.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

weird situation over there.

I usually don’t let not knowing what I’m talking about prevent me from offering an opinion but there’s so much information missing from that question that even I won’t touch it.

stickguy

Actual video of a Maverick in motion. Not much of a drive review, but interesting to see that it looks to gave plenty of people room even for big drivers.

They should have made the hybrid available with AWD though. That would be the perfect configuration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPs-AuBQOhs

tjc78

Ugh! Cars are so much easier than real estate.

We are on pins and needles here. Mortgage company backed up and we still don’t have clear to close for Monday!! Ugh. Apparently since it’s technically a condo they are still reviewing the HOA, etc.

Received our CD three days ahead so that’s good at least.

benjaminh

The Maverick looks like a home run for Ford. Great vehicle for the price. When it comes to trucks Ford usually does a fantastic job, and that looks to be panning out here at well. The 2.0T gives the Maverick a wow factor from my pov, but as the test driver said FWD is going to spin your tires if you floor it, and so I think AWD would be the way to go.

Is it time to consider putting in an order stickguy?

Or for about the same price as a loaded Maverick you could also get a Civic Hatchback Touring with a 6-speed manual, or just get a Civic sedan in EX or Touring.

jmonroe1

@nyccarguy said:
Good news. I got my truck back last night. The body work came out perfect! I’m very happy with the body shop. Bad news. The body shop got an email from the Allstate adjuster stating he wants me to send an email to supplement a claim for the right rear shock. I guess I’ll just get an estimate from Toyota to fix it and email it in.

I don’t understand why if the shop said you need a shock replaced due to being rear-ended you have to provide supplemental info. I’d tell Allstate that you now notice bouncing from the other side and want that shocked replaced also.

I’ve never heard too many people rave about Allstate in my neck of the woods.

I have a tale about Allstate from when the guy across the street from our first flip house backed into the right rear quarter panel when he was backing out of his driveway. I mentioned this in here when it happened. The small dent was fairly minor but the claim was almost $1400 IIRC because of extensive painting clear up to and including the entire area above the windows on the right side of my car. The repair was fine but here’s what happened:

I informed my insurance company of the accident just so they had a record of it. I got a call from Allstate wanting to know what happened so I answered a few questions. I then got another call from Allstate a few days later wanting, what seemed like the same questions answered, but this time they were worded a little differently. I answered those questions also but after this call I called my insurance company wanting to know why I got another call asking the same questions. My insurance company told me what I provided was sufficient and if I got another call from Allstate, I should not answer any more questions and they wanted to know about it. In fact, they were going to call Allstate themselves telling them not to call me again.

Being the inquisitive type I ask my agent what was going on and he said some companies follow up with calls just to see if they get the same answers. While they know that a parked car is not the car at fault if they determine that there are conflicting answers they could delay settling the claim.

Fast forward to after my car was fixed without any excitement. I must have gotten 5 or 6 calls from the agency of the guy that hit my car wanting to know if I wanted to change my insurance to Allstate. When I got the last call I let the guy know in no uncertain terms that I didn’t want to be harassed any more or I was going to call my insurance company about it. That did it, no more harassing call.

Good luck with your dealings with Allstate.

jmonroe

explorerx4

This is a pretty good Santa Cruz review, includes towing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR8wq0VMHiQ

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

@nyccarguy said:

Good news. I got my truck back last night. The body work came out perfect! I’m very happy with the body shop. Bad news. The body shop got an email from the Allstate adjuster stating he wants me to send an email to supplement a claim for the right rear shock. I guess I’ll just get an estimate from Toyota to fix it and email it in.

I don’t understand why if the shop said you need a shock replaced due to being rear-ended you have to provide supplemental info. I’d tell Allstate that you now notice bouncing from the other side and want that shocked replaced also.

I’ve never heard too many people rave about Allstate in my neck of the woods.

I have a tale about Allstate from when the guy across the street from our first flip house backed into the right rear quarter panel when he was backing out of his driveway. I mentioned this in here when it happened. The small dent was fairly minor but the claim was almost $1400 IIRC because of extensive painting clear up to and including the entire area above the windows on the right side of my car. The repair was fine but here’s what happened:

I informed my insurance company of the accident just so they had a record of it. I got a call from Allstate wanting to know what happened so I answered a few questions. I then got another call from Allstate a few days later wanting, what seemed like the same questions answered, but this time they were worded a little differently. I answered those questions also but after this call I called my insurance company wanting to know why I got another call asking the same questions. My insurance company told me what I provided was sufficient and if I got another call from Allstate, I should not answer any more questions and they wanted to know about it. In fact, they were going to call Allstate themselves telling them not to call me again.

Being the inquisitive type I ask my agent what was going on and he said some companies follow up with calls just to see if they get the same answers. While they know that a parked car is not the car at fault if they determine that there are conflicting answers they could delay settling the claim.

Fast forward to after my car was fixed without any excitement. I must have gotten 5 or 6 calls from the agency of the guy that hit my car wanting to know if I wanted to change my insurance to Allstate. When I got the last call I let the guy know in no uncertain terms that I didn’t want to be harassed any more or I was going to call my insurance company about it. That did it, no more harassing call.

Good luck with your dealings with Allstate.

jmonroe

When a Geico insured backed into me they were wonderful. Free rental, took care of everything. A few days after getting the car back I got a CEL for emissions. It turned out to be a crack in the evap canister. Since it was near the point of impact I put in for reimbursement. They paid without fuss.

The other time I got backed into by a power company truck. I got an estimate and they cut me a check within a week. Again, no arguments, no multiple questions, no hassle.

I wonder if insurance companies are suffering from so much fraud that they are getting more suspicious of all claims.

benjaminh

https://www.autonews.com/suppliers/auto-chip-maker-rohm-co-warns-supply-crunch-will-last-through-2022

"Auto chip maker warns supply crunch will last through 2022
Japan’s Rohm Co. -- which supplies Ford, Toyota and Honda -- says it has been hampered by a severe shortage of key materials.
August 27, 2021

Japan’s Rohm Co. says that vital semiconductors for automobiles and industrial machinery will likely remain in short supply at least throughout next year, adding to ominous warnings about further fallout from the global chip crisis.

The Kyoto-based chipmaker, whose customers include Toyota Motor Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co., has been hampered by a severe shortage of key materials as well as full production lines, said CEO Isao Matsumoto. The company started beefing up its capacity last September and plans to spend another 70 billion yen ($636 million) in the current fiscal year, but the full contribution from such investments won’t be seen immediately because production machinery is taking longer to arrive, he added.

“All of our production facilities have been running at their full capacity since September last year, but orders from customers are overwhelming,” Matsumoto said in an interview this week. “I don’t think we can fulfill all the backlog of orders next year.”

It joins peers like Infineon Technologies in warning that supply chain struggles are likely to persist for far longer than previously anticipated. Chip delivery times have already surpassed 20 weeks, as the COVID-19 delta variant complicates efforts to resume normal operations from Japan to Southeast Asia....

The most severe bottleneck is a lack of materials like those required to make leadframes -- the metal structure inside a semiconductor unit that communicate signals with the outside of the package."

au1994

Jeez, I don’t know what to make of that. At some point the market of viable used cars has to dry up and then what? We’ve all joked about it but will beaters now be worth $15k?

Could really be bad for some of the small town dealers out there.

stickguy

maybe the idea of waiting until winter to let the market settle is not that great, and better to just go grab something now and be done with it! That of course entails finding something to buy I won't mind having...

benjaminh

Guilty pleasure. I'm watching this show while working on some low-level stuff. My personal taste is for old cars to be restored as they were, but....

Last season Gotham Garage sacrificed a big payday to donate for free a perfect Chrysler XNR experimental car they'd done with blood, sweat, and tears to the Peterson Auto Museum in LA. But as the boss had hoped, that donation, and the exposure it garnered, has brought in more high-end clients with over-the-top orders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjwzOcWbPLQ

jmonroe1

@benjaminh said:
Guilty pleasure. I'm watching this show while working on some low-level stuff. My personal taste is for old cars to be restored as they were, but....

Last season Gotham Garage sacrificed a big payday to donate for free a perfect Chrysler XNR experimental car they'd done with blood, sweat, and tears to the Peterson Auto Museum in LA. But as the boss had hoped, that donation, and the exposure it garnered, has brought in more high-end clients with over-the-top orders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjwzOcWbPLQ

All I can say is, you gotta have a lot of free time on your hands.

jmonroe

benjaminh

stickguy said:

maybe the idea of waiting until winter to let the market settle is not that great, and better to just go grab something now and be done with it! That of course entails finding something to buy I won't mind having...

Yeah. It doesn't look like you can wait this one out unless you want to wait until 2023. But think of the savings if you did wait until 2023! However, since you're planning on cashing out your house and moving, a small truck or hatchback would be good to have.

stickguy

If we do move I definitely need a 2nd car if some sort.

au1994

stickguy said:

maybe the idea of waiting until winter to let the market settle is not that great, and better to just go grab something now and be done with it! That of course entails finding something to buy I won't mind having...

I’m afraid so. Might have to narrow it down to a couple of models and be prepared to buy as soon as one hits the lot. Notice I said buy, not deal and buy. I think the former may not happen for a while on anything remotely popular.

stickguy

I’m leaning more toward lease again instead of buying at an absurd price. Fix the financial hit!

Though I would buy a civic most likely.

breld

We found out that our Audi dealer was able to dealer trade for an A4 Allroad with an October build, spec'd as my wife wants. So she's excited about that, as it shaves 2-3 months off an order from scratch.

For what it's worth, the dealership is discounting the car by $1,500. Nothing to write home about, but given the current environment, we found it acceptable.

breld

We still have the outstanding order for the Tesla Model Y, which is now estimated to be here within the next week or two.

Right now, I think we're going to go ahead and trade the MINI for it and have it as a quick "tweener" car until the Allroad comes in. Given the price we're paying for the Tesla, and the crazy values on them, I think we'll come out ahead by doing it.

Is that crazy?

stickguy

Yes, but you will do it anyway.

au1994

stickguy said:

I’m leaning more toward lease again instead of buying at an absurd price. Fix the financial hit!

Though I would buy a civic most likely.

Are Tacoma’s still leasing crazy good? Two birds with one stone…

benjaminh

sickguy, in my humble opinion I still think a Maverick at msrp or a bit above is a very good value in this market on a really functional vehicle. A base Maverick financed at Ford's 0% over 36 months would give you a purchase for a monthly payment close to some leases.

Seems like 2022 Civics are going for at least 1k over sticker. And the Civic Hatchback won't be out for a couple of months, by which point things may be even worse. Honda is offering 1.9% on the 2022 Civic for 60 months.

If you're leasing, the new TLX might still be worth considering since the deals on that were good, even if it doesn't seem like maybe quite the right car for a move. But you could just rent a trunk and hire lots of movers. I personally think that would be wise.

What other vehicles might be on your list?

Costco has exclusive incentives from Audi this month.

sda

Browsing the local Honda dealer online sites, no surprise inventory is extremely thin. On their used car lots CPO 2019 Accord LXs are priced more than they could have been purchased for when they were new! A 2018 Accord Touring is listed for $29k. Incredible. It seems the only Honda that each dealer has a fair number of is the HR-V. I guess the HR-V is really out of favor.

corvette

au1994 said:

Are Tacoma’s still leasing crazy good? Two birds with one stone…

Not crazy good, but decent. I think I could lease one now, similarly equipped, for slightly less than my Tundra, if one were available. So, not crazy good, but not terrible, given the environment.

stickguy

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

I’m leaning more toward lease again instead of buying at an absurd price. Fix the financial hit!

Though I would buy a civic most likely.

Are Tacoma’s still leasing crazy good? Two birds with one stone…

almost nothing is leasing good at this point. I guess I should have tried for a jeep from Georgia or wherever you have to go for one.

The Maverick is now out until January at least I think if you put in a reservation. Should have done that in July!

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

I’m leaning more toward lease again instead of buying at an absurd price. Fix the financial hit!

Though I would buy a civic most likely.

Are Tacoma’s still leasing crazy good? Two birds with one stone…

almost nothing is leasing good at this point. I guess I should have tried for a jeep from Georgia or wherever you have to go for one.

The Maverick is now out until January at least I think if you put in a reservation. Should have done that in July!

The 4Xe is still a great lease deal compared to the MSRP. Not as good as it was in April, since there have been 2 or 3 price hikes since then.

stickguy

Hard to make a list if you need to cross most of it off because they aren't available!

A Maverick probably would be a useful thing to have. But doubtful to get before year end. And hard to trust Ford these days with a new release. And I would want to see one in person first.

Santa Cruz actually would be fine too. Just pretty darned pricey, and also non-existent for a while in terms of availabilty. No other trucks are even a vague option.

other things I like? New Civic is nice for a sedan. We really like the Kona. Pricey too ATM on a lease. Hyundai plug ins seem to be reasonably available. The TLX Rodo deals are actually not bad, though I would rather not spend that much for a spare car with no utility value.

finding something used to tide me over would be ideal but that market is absurd right now.

I guess continuing to do nothing is also an option!

tjc78

Since Volvo has a 4 year warranty there is a great chance if by next August the deals still stink I’ll extend the lease.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

....The Maverick is now out until January at least I think if you put in a reservation. Should have done that in July!

Well, understandably you wanted to have a test drive in the Maverick before you bought it. I always want a test drive too before I buy or lease a vehicle. Makes sense. So I don't think you should have regrets about that.

Giving back your TLX was a smart move that saved you several thousand dollars when you didn't need a car. So a good move there too. Plus you didn't like the narrow profile tires on that one.

But If you want a vehicle soon, as you know you're almost certainly going to need to pay more than you'd like. That savings you made by giving up the TLX is probably mostly going to go away. But hey, easy come easy go. Not a biggie.

I still think that for moving for those of us over 50 most of the big stuff should be done by professionals anyway. Hire some help and get them to do it. Then your vehicle can move smaller stuff, but maybe doesn't need to be a truck or SUV.

Are there any good lease deals on a Hyundai Elantra N-Line? Or on anything? What does your app say?

If Honda says deliveries are dropping 40%, then as high as prices are now it seems like they'll probably just go higher. Speaking of moving, what about an Odyssey or some other van? Hard to beat those for making fewer trips with more stuff, all while keeping it dry and secure.

au1994

stickguy said:

Hard to make a list if you need to cross most of it off because they aren't available!

A Maverick probably would be a useful thing to have. But doubtful to get before year end. And hard to trust Ford these days with a new release. And I would want to see one in person first.

Santa Cruz actually would be fine too. Just pretty darned pricey, and also non-existent for a while in terms of availabilty. No other trucks are even a vague option.

other things I like? New Civic is nice for a sedan. We really like the Kona. Pricey too ATM on a lease. Hyundai plug ins seem to be reasonably available. The TLX Rodo deals are actually not bad, though I would rather not spend that much for a spare car with no utility value.

finding something used to tide me over would be ideal but that market is absurd right now.

I guess continuing to do nothing is also an option!

Why not go ahead and put an order in on a Maverick? I seriously doubt a dealer would hold you to it if you change your mind or your situation changes. Who knows, if you are already on the list maybe you would get contacted if someone ahead of you backs out.

stickguy

there were a few N Line elantra deals. Good ones on the manual actually. Not sure about now, cars have been going quick.

I don't need a car to actually do the moving. Just that we have a lot of stuff to get rid of first, and will be getting a lot of things once we do move. So having something to make all those runs to the store would come in quite handy.

I have no intention of carrying around all my crap. Will pay people to do that. We are also going long distance so everything is going in a pod most likely.

good thing that the wife wants almost none of the furniture, lamps, etc., so that greatly simplifies the moving. Just lots of boxes!