Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

If anyone is looking, this is underpriced - manual with sub 100k miles.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/federal-way-2005-bmw-330ci-zhp/7516260469.html

I think the convertible part will hold it back some. Looks great.

corvette

stickguy said:

I’m worried now that my hybrid will get built as a 22. I really wanted it rolled over.

Yeah, at this point, I don't think Ford extending the 2022 production run will really affect the timing of delivery of our trucks, since rolled over orders have priority. It will only hurt us when we go to trade in a 2022 instead of a 2023.

explorerx4

Ford is famous for decontenting models after the first year of release, not the only ones.
Maybe they are doing you a favor.

ab348

stickguy said:

I’m worried now that my hybrid will get built as a 22. I really wanted it rolled over.

Look on the bright side - given that its Ford, it might not get built until the 2024s are produced!

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

I’m worried now that my hybrid will get built as a 22. I really wanted it rolled over.

Look on the bright side - given that its Ford, it might not get built until the 2024s are produced!

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But they’ll still badge it as a 2022 since that’s what they almost promised.

jmonroe

qbrozen

Ok, laugh all you want, but for a sale price of $740, I think its a good buy. Yeah, yeah, sure, it will be like $3k by the time it gets here, but still cheaper than a golf cart. Only about 37k miles.

Its ugly, but at least its slow. ;b



Trying to decide if I should stick with bidding on this tonight, too, just to cover my bases. The mazda would be more useful, but I'm doubtful anybody else will want to buy the suzuki. lol.

qbrozen

Got the build sheet on the Wagoneer L. She tells me the tow package is not showing in the system as a choice. I guess not horrible if I have to add that after. The change that has me nervous, however, is the replacement of the 6.4 v8 with the 3.0 TT. First year engine. Oh boy.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Ok, laugh all you want, but for a sale price of $740, I think its a good buy. Yeah, yeah, sure, it will be like $3k by the time it gets here, but still cheaper than a golf cart. Only about 37k miles.

Its ugly, but at least its slow. ;b



Trying to decide if I should stick with bidding on this tonight, too, just to cover my bases. The mazda would be more useful, but I'm doubtful anybody else will want to buy the suzuki. lol.

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How much uglier and slower can it be from a golf cart?

jmonroe

qbrozen

Certainly not slower. Although a cart could probably take it off the line. ha.
And at least mine will be legal on all roads.

If it had round headlights, it might actually be kinda cute.

tifighter

qbrozen said:

Got the build sheet on the Wagoneer L. She tells me the tow package is not showing in the system as a choice. I guess not horrible if I have to add that after. The change that has me nervous, however, is the replacement of the 6.4 v8 with the 3.0 TT. First year engine. Oh boy.

Relax, this is Jeep we're talking about. I'm sure they'll stick the landing.

tifighter

28firefighter said:

If anyone is looking, this is underpriced - manual with sub 100k miles.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/federal-way-2005-bmw-330ci-zhp/7516260469.html

Very new plate number. The history is on this one might be interesting. I think it's a very cool car.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

Certainly not slower. Although a cart could probably take it off the line. ha.
And at least mine will be legal on all roads.

If it had round headlights, it might actually be kinda cute.

While I like the look/shape of the blue one better, I think the tan one will be quite practical and versatile.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Ok, laugh all you want, but for a sale price of $740, I think its a good buy. Yeah, yeah, sure, it will be like $3k by the time it gets here, but still cheaper than a golf cart. Only about 37k miles.

Its ugly, but at least its slow. ;b



Trying to decide if I should stick with bidding on this tonight, too, just to cover my bases. The mazda would be more useful, but I'm doubtful anybody else will want to buy the suzuki. lol.

Might be a good vehicle to resell in this era of high gas.

28firefighter

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

If anyone is looking, this is underpriced - manual with sub 100k miles.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/federal-way-2005-bmw-330ci-zhp/7516260469.html

Very new plate number. The history is on this one might be interesting. I think it's a very cool car.

I missed that - definitely a flag and would require an in-depth PPI.

28firefighter

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

jmonroe1

28firefighter said:

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

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And another one has been groomed.

jmonroe

corvette

That's impressive. Are there any onerous conditions on the dealer powertrain warranty? I think I recall some that require you to have all maintenance done at the dealer, e.g., their "packages" with transmission flushes every 15k and other unnecessary upsells.

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

28firefighter said:

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

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And another one has been groomed.

jmonroe

Poor choice of words there.

carnaught

Well, the 2018 Prius and 2021 3-Series are history, each sold for good prices. Now I have fuel efficient new vehicles for the small amount of driving, errands etc. that we do. I look at them as a transition, bi-passing the luxo vehicles until more EV choices become available in the next year or two. That said, there are two punches, this past week and 6 weeks ago, a 2022 Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid and a 2023 Elantra Limited, both pearl red with non-black leather interiors and loaded with good features. Like @graphicguy, red is my favorite and I got a gray leather and melange leather interiors, respectively. Neither had an ADM, mop-n-glo or other “mandatory options”. Despite the challenging buyers market, both were good experiences at their respective local Autonation dealers. Here are some pics. Continued…

carnaught

carnaught

And, so it goes…

28firefighter

Congrats, @carnaught ! Sounds like you made out great.

nyccarguy

Well done @carnaught ! Congrats!

qbrozen

hyundai interior looks pretty nice. I especially like how they have walled off the passenger.

rayainsw

carnaught -
Looks very nice!
Enjoy!
- Ray
stuck in a lease for a few more months...

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

28firefighter said:

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

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And another one has been groomed.

jmonroe

Poor choice of words there.

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What would have been better?Inoculated?

jmonroe

xwesx

carnaught said:

Well, the 2018 Prius and 2021 3-Series are history, each sold for good prices. Now I have fuel efficient new vehicles for the small amount of driving, errands etc. that we do. I look at them as a transition, bi-passing the luxo vehicles until more EV choices become available in the next year or two. That said, there are two punches, this past week and 6 weeks ago, a 2022 Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid and a 2023 Elantra Limited, both pearl red with non-black leather interiors and loaded with good features. Like @graphicguy, red is my favorite and I got a gray leather and melange leather interiors, respectively. Neither had an ADM, mop-n-glo or other “mandatory options”. Despite the challenging buyers market, both were good experiences at their respective local Autonation dealers. Here are some pics. Continued…

Snazzy, @carnaught ! Congrats!

xwesx

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

Poor choice of words there.

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What would have been better?Inoculated?

jmonroe

Meh. "Groomed" wasn't always a bad thing, and it doesn't have to be now, either, unless we let it be.

tjc78

@carnaught
Very nice! Love the colors.

qbrozen

already brainstorming on the suzuki. I think this is a great way to go...



of course, the inspiration...

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

already brainstorming on the suzuki. I think this is a great way to go...



of course, the inspiration...

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I think you otta get. The way I’ve seen folks driving in Myrtle Beach this week, pulling out in front of cars with almost no regard for safety; that THING should be as good for being seen as anything I can think of. Could be a life saver.

jmonroe

xwesx

I think you're spot on, Q. You need to swap the wheels with bright white - minimize the open space in them.

corvette

Saw a dark red Maverick this afternoon--I think it was the Lariat trim. Probably the third one I've seen.

jmonroe1

corvette said:

Saw a dark red Maverick this afternoon--I think it was the Lariat trim. Probably the third one I've seen.

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And the Maverick Mirage lives on.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

@stickguy said:
I’m worried now that my hybrid will get built as a 22. I really wanted it rolled over.

Didn’t Ford give you the option to roll it over to a 2023?

corvette

mjfloyd1 said:

Didn’t Ford give you the option to roll it over to a 2023?

Not yet. We only get that option if ours don't get built in the 2022 model run.

andres3

28firefighter said:

I get what I deserve etc etc

I test drove a 31,000 mile 2021 Veloster N over the weekend; I'm thinking a relative sister to your Elantra N? It has the 8 speed dual clutch.

I liked it! Liked it more than I thought I would actually. But didn't quite love it. I commend Hyundai for making what is clearly a nice fun to drive seemingly well put together car though.

If the Golf R was the benchmark I think they missed the mark, but if the GTI was benchmarked, I think they've hit the bullseye and have a winner.

Engine = B+ .... Pulls fast and quick at lower speeds, but does run out of steam at 75+

Transmission = A- ... First Dual Clutch I've driven outside of VW/Audi/Porsche that made sense and worked correctly to my taste, and I'm Mr. DSG. (Note haven't driven a SMG from BMW or a version from Ferrari yet) They nailed it; although at higher speeds the throttle/downshifting was lackluster and unresponsive, even in sport mode; I took this out on the Engine not having guts above 75 MPH though. I did like the 8 gears to make up for this; it just cruises at high speed low RPM for CA cruising. In sport mode it cruises in 6th gear, I believe the programming pretends it's a 6-speed in Sport. Rev matched down shifts just braking in a straight line for a red light or stop sign with nice exhaust notes??? Yes, just like my S4. NICE! Appreciate the fun aggression even when your not in aggressive driving mode (but yes, sport mode).

Handling A-/B+ .... Will keep up with the GTI and probably/maybe beat it. Felt very composed and controlled on a full on-ramp 180 at 45 MPH. Impressed. FWD hampers low speed acceleration and handling/turning while accelerating. I think the 2nd time I hit the throttle I got instant front wheel spin and if I didn't know it was FWD I did instantaneously then. Traction control seemed to work OK to help, but I'm used to 0 MPH GO POWER with AWD.

Interior - B+ ..... Good enough for the VW crowd, and that's a good thing. Seat felt comfy and was adjustable to a tall person. Windshield is high enough which isn't common in sporty Asian cars for someone 6'3" tall.

AC worked nice as it was hot.

Didn't test the wipers or sound system or headlights (daytime).

Price = D- ... $36,900 for a 31,000 mile car that stickered for probably around $32K? This is the Toyota dealerships fault (and the market) not Hyundai's fault though.

au1994

28firefighter said:

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

I like this kid.

roadburner

28firefighter said:

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

When my son was in middle and high school he loved the Stoplight Grand Prix. The only problem was that he would say things like, “That guy’s not that fast, you can take him.” or “He’s an idiot, you’re gonna smoke him!” when my wife was in the car.

andres3

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:

Was going through the paperwork for the Elantra and found some interesting tidbits (finance process was quick and I didn't ask many questions):
- 3 years included maintenance (Hyundai)
- 5 yr/60k Bumper-to-Bumper Warranty (Hyundai)
- 10 yr/100k Power Train Warranty (Hyundai)
- Unlimited Power Train Warranty (Underwritten by dealer with $100 deductible).

If I was someone who kept cars for any period of time, this would matter more - but that's a hefty backing for a car that is clearly not made up of cheap mechanical designs and parts.

In other news: my son asked to go to school in the Elantra because it sounds like a race car. I explained to him the Tesla is faster and he goes "I know, it pushes me back in my seat SO HARD, but this one sounds so cool!"

When my son was in middle and high school he loved the Stoplight Grand Prix. The only problem was that he would say things like, “That guy’s not that fast, you can take him.” or “He’s an idiot, you’re gonna smoke him!” when my wife was in the car.

LOL! "Idiot" is an interesting choice of words there. How about, "He's good, but you're better Dad!" He's insulting your competition! Of course, if you are smoking them it sounds like it wasn't much of a competition.

28firefighter

The Veloster N has a different chassis than the Elantra N and older versions had a less powerful engine. The value is in buying new and reviewers seem to like the Elantra N better.

I agree though, the DCT is outstanding.

corvette

@stickguy - good news for you on the latest Long McArthur video. I haven't watched it, but from reading the comments, it sounds like they are only scheduling Ecoboosts for the remainder of the 2022 model run.

breld

Couple new Elantras in as many days here on the forum...and even praise from @andres3! Go Hyundai!

I've kinda backed off for now on the higher priced performance cars (Supra, Z, M240i) in favor of the more affordable (if you can find them) options...Civic Si, GTI, GR86.

I asked my Toyota salesperson to keep me updated on the special edition GR86 for 2023 (special edition being an exclusive orange color and unique wheels). And I'm casually looking for any Civic Si inventory (@michaell is doing the same and helping out!). Maybe stretch for an Integra, as they just seem more attainable.

And gotta say, I'm liking the more restrained look of the Type R...but it was challenging enough to get one 5 years ago in that market.

oldfarmer50

carnaught said:

And, so it goes…

Nice exterior and interior colors.

tjc78

The interior in the Elantra at that price point is pretty impressive. I know there isn’t a lot of “soft touch” items but I don’t find that a big miss.

@28firefighter
Can you send some pics of yours? Curious the differences between the Limited trim and yours.

au1994

Very impressed with the Hyundai interior as well. I've been looking at Palisades and they are nice!

qbrozen

breld said:

Couple new Elantras in as many days here on the forum...and even praise from @andres3! Go Hyundai!

I've kinda backed off for now on the higher priced performance cars (Supra, Z, M240i) in favor of the more affordable (if you can find them) options...Civic Si, GTI, GR86.

I asked my Toyota salesperson to keep me updated on the special edition GR86 for 2023 (special edition being an exclusive orange color and unique wheels). And I'm casually looking for any Civic Si inventory (@michaell is doing the same and helping out!). Maybe stretch for an Integra, as they just seem more attainable.

And gotta say, I'm liking the more restrained look of the Type R...but it was challenging enough to get one 5 years ago in that market.

Corolla GR?

qbrozen

Realized my signature was lacking. I think I got it all in there now.

tifighter

Looking at this, I think we need to give a round of applause to Polestar. Still hanging in there at world's most volatile garage.

tifighter

I'm supposedly on a list for the Seattle Toyota dealer for inbound GR86s, but I've never heard anything and sort of forgot about it until seeing Breld's post. But I get the appeal.

Meanwhile, I recently did the Naches trail, a well-known offroad route in WA, in the Montero. Boy, was it buggy. https://youtu.be/tFrl0uAcpdg