Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

explorerx4

@suydam,
I started watching the CR video below to find out more about the Honda Prologue.
It's the same platform/technology as the Chevy Blazer EV and Cadillac Lyriq.
Not meant as a shot but more of a PSA.
Don't let the battery run down to zero, it takes a long time to charge up to make the vehicle functional.
If you pay some attention to your battery charge percentage, it shouldn't be a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtti4x32AOU

qbrozen

Started changing the plugs on the QP today. With what little spare time I have, it may take a few days. Anyway, found out something kind of interesting. Folks apparently don’t think gapping plugs is a thing anymore. I’m searching for the proper plug gap for the car, the popular opinion seemed to be “they come out of the box properly gapped.” Someone claiming to be a mechanic even said coworkers of his don’t have plug gappers. Hell in a handbasket, I tell ya!

The proper gap, from what I found, is .028. The OEM plugs even said they come as .028. Since I never assume anything, I checked and the first one I opened was .035. And, sure enough, the old one I pulled was .035. Not looking too good, either. And longer threads than the new OEM. Hmmmm. They are NGK laser platinum, and they are compatible, per the NGK Website, but not OEM, from what I have found. Interestingly, the one time I tried NGK in my Volvo T5, the car was not happy with them and I had to swap to OEM. Wonder if that is happening here, too.

graphicguy

@explorerx4 said:
@suydam,
I started watching the CR video below to find out more about the Honda Prologue.
It's the same platform/technology as the Chevy Blazer EV and Cadillac Lyriq.
Not meant as a shot but more of a PSA.
Don't let the battery run down to zero, it takes a long time to charge up to make the vehicle functional.
If you pay some attention to your battery charge percentage, it shouldn't be a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtti4x32AOU

Nice….Thanks!!!! Very helpful!

jmonroe1

I’m I’m

qbrozen said:

Started changing the plugs on the QP today. With what little spare time I have, it may take a few days. Anyway, found out something kind of interesting. Folks apparently don’t think gapping plugs is a thing anymore. I’m searching for the proper plug gap for the car, the popular opinion seemed to be “they come out of the box properly gapped.” Someone claiming to be a mechanic even said coworkers of his don’t have plug gappers. Hell in a handbasket, I tell ya!

The proper gap, from what I found, is .028. The OEM plugs even said they come as .028. Since I never assume anything, I checked and the first one I opened was .035. And, sure enough, the old one I pulled was .035. Not looking too good, either. And longer threads than the new OEM. Hmmmm. They are NGK laser platinum, and they are compatible, per the NGK Website, but not OEM, from what I have found. Interestingly, the one time I tried NGK in my Volvo T5, the car was not happy with them and I had to swap to OEM. Wonder if that is happening here, too.

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I’m with you, I don’t like, “they come out of the box already set”. As far as I’m concerned they’re not set until I set them.

Back in the day I remember folks saying GM points for their V8 engines came out of the box already set for a dwell angle of 30 degrees. If true that is the exact mid point of the points spec range of 28-32 degrees and 30 degrees is what I set the dwell to with my dwell meter. Problem is, the points were set well enough to get the car started but using my dwell meter to check the factory setting, l never once found them set for 30 degrees out of the box, more like 34/35 degrees. Like I said the car ran but not to my liking.

Longer spark plug threads would scare the hell out of me. That being the case, I’d stick with OEM plugs.

As for mechanics not having a spark plug gap tool tells me not to go to that garage for anything….maybe not even air.

jmonroe

ab348

explorerx4 said:

@suydam,
I started watching the CR video below to find out more about the Honda Prologue.
It's the same platform/technology as the Chevy Blazer EV and Cadillac Lyriq.

Shockingly, so is the Acura ZDX electric.

graphicguy

ab348 said:

explorerx4 said:

@suydam,
I started watching the CR video below to find out more about the Honda Prologue.
It's the same platform/technology as the Chevy Blazer EV and Cadillac Lyriq.

Shockingly, so is the Acura ZDX electric.

I'm going to test drive one this afternoon. I don't know that it will drive differently than the Blazer, but Honda at least offers Apple Car Play and a sunroof.

Sister is suffering from paralysis by analysis. She's taking a break for a week or so.

I'm having fun with her doing test drives, though.

suydam

My Blazer has a sunroof. Weirdly, the more expensive RS doesn’t have one. The 2024 LTs come fully loaded with all the goodies except heads up display. I think they took off those packages for the 2025 to lower the price and distinguish it more from the RS.. One reason we decided to the Blazer now instead of waiting a year. The LT has 19” wheels which I also prefer to the 21” on the RS.
Dont intend to run it out of juice completely (it would have to be towed), but good to know.

graphicguy

suydam said:

My Blazer has a sunroof. Weirdly, the more expensive RS doesn’t have one. The 2024 LTs come fully loaded with all the goodies except heads up display. I think they took off those packages for the 2025 to lower the price and distinguish it more from the RS.. One reason we decided to the Blazer now instead of waiting a year. The LT has 19” wheels which I also prefer to the 21” on the RS.
Dont intend to run it out of juice completely (it would have to be towed), but good to know.

Thanks.

This is a new world for me. Getting thrown into the deep end doing research on a whole different category of vehicles.

Best I can tell, most EVs, regardless of brand, come all loaded up. And, they seem to be more of a bargain than even the deals we all saw during the Covid days.

Not a leasing customer, per se. But, I'm slowly trying to convince myself it might be a cheap way to try an EV.

laurasdada

I've never been a leaser, but if I do decide to try a Lucid, it would be a lease. Given it's a startup, I don't think I'd want to be an owner, should something go terribly, financially wrong with the company (e.g. Fisker...again).
Might be a buyer of one of the established marques, however.

breld

I'm just about halfway through my Audi Q8 E-tron lease, so a year away from making a decision there, but I'm already thinking about whether I'll do another lease or go the used route. Most likely I'll be leasing again, still not trusting where the values on EVs are headed. Like others have posted, if you're buying used I think finding something in the $30k's may be a good approach. Plenty of reputable EVs in that range, like Teslas, Mach-Es, Polestars, etc.

I keep my eye on used E-tron GTs. For something that stickers at over $100k, there are lightly used ones easily in the $60k's. I suspect the steep depreciation still isn't over though.

I'm a little obsessed with this one. I believe it's a custom order color, and I've never owned a purple vehicle!

https://www.audidenver.com/used/Audi/2022-Audi-e-tron+GT-c912e96cac18188190c4986565a130e3.htm

nyccarguy

breld said:

I'm just about halfway through my Audi Q8 E-tron lease, so a year away from making a decision there, but I'm already thinking about whether I'll do another lease or go the used route. Most likely I'll be leasing again, still not trusting where the values on EVs are headed. Like others have posted, if you're buying used I think finding something in the $30k's may be a good approach. Plenty of reputable EVs in that range, like Teslas, Mach-Es, Polestars, etc.

I keep my eye on used E-tron GTs. For something that stickers at over $100k, there are lightly used ones easily in the $60k's. I suspect the steep depreciation still isn't over though.

I'm a little obsessed with this one. I believe it's a custom order color, and I've never owned a purple vehicle!

https://www.audidenver.com/used/Audi/2022-Audi-e-tron+GT-c912e96cac18188190c4986565a130e3.htm

This right here! Stick with leasing, especially with the generous CO state incentives.

andres3

so a guy inquired in detail about performed preventative maintenance on the S4. I had to then go into detail on how an engine replacement less than 30K miles ago was my preventative maintenance because of all the new parts that go into an engine replacement (including coolant and such). Who needs to walnut blast carbon buildup when you can just replace your engine?

They then offered $20K. I will counter.

nyccarguy

andres3 said:

so a guy inquired in detail about performed preventative maintenance on the S4. I had to then go into detail on how an engine replacement less than 30K miles ago was my preventative maintenance because of all the new parts that go into an engine replacement (including coolant and such). Who needs to walnut blast carbon buildup when you can just replace your engine?

They then offered $20K. I will counter.

You still have that Audi? You didn't trade it in on the X3?

tifighter

breld said:

I'm just about halfway through my Audi Q8 E-tron lease, so a year away from making a decision there, but I'm already thinking about whether I'll do another lease or go the used route. Most likely I'll be leasing again, still not trusting where the values on EVs are headed. Like others have posted, if you're buying used I think finding something in the $30k's may be a good approach. Plenty of reputable EVs in that range, like Teslas, Mach-Es, Polestars, etc.

I keep my eye on used E-tron GTs. For something that stickers at over $100k, there are lightly used ones easily in the $60k's. I suspect the steep depreciation still isn't over though.

I'm a little obsessed with this one. I believe it's a custom order color, and I've never owned a purple vehicle!

https://www.audidenver.com/used/Audi/2022-Audi-e-tron+GT-c912e96cac18188190c4986565a130e3.htm

Okay, I can see the appeal on that one. Definitely a rare color combo. I haven't been shopping these - what's the delta between a GT and a comparable Taycan?

graphicguy

laurasdada said:

I've never been a leaser, but if I do decide to try a Lucid, it would be a lease. Given it's a startup, I don't think I'd want to be an owner, should something go terribly, financially wrong with the company (e.g. Fisker...again).
Might be a buyer of one of the established marques, however.

Leased a car a Lonnnnng time ago. ....BMW 325i.

Back then, it didn't make much financial sense unless you were using the car for work (which I was) and could write some of it off on taxes.

EVs are a different "deal" from my perspective. New(er) models...relatively unknown durability..huge incentives. I can see leasing, again.

By the way, since I'm in research mode, I just read that the GM Ultium architecture is modular, meaning you don't have to replace the entire battery suite when something goes bad. You can just replace one cell at a time, which is must less costly.

stickguy

I’m pretty sure if I do jump into the EV pool it will be as a subsidized lease.

stickguy

I love the color combo on the Audi

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

suydam said:

My Blazer has a sunroof. Weirdly, the more expensive RS doesn’t have one. The 2024 LTs come fully loaded with all the goodies except heads up display. I think they took off those packages for the 2025 to lower the price and distinguish it more from the RS.. One reason we decided to the Blazer now instead of waiting a year. The LT has 19” wheels which I also prefer to the 21” on the RS.
Dont intend to run it out of juice completely (it would have to be towed), but good to know.

Thanks.

This is a new world for me. Getting thrown into the deep end doing research on a whole different category of vehicles.

Best I can tell, most EVs, regardless of brand, come all loaded up. And, they seem to be more of a bargain than even the deals we all saw during the Covid days.

Not a leasing customer, per se. But, I'm slowly trying to convince myself it might be a cheap way to try an EV.

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So far, from what I’ve heard and read, EV leases seem to be reasonable right now. Therefore, since it’s new technology with some learning to be done, especially getting used to planning ahead regarding charging it up, for me at least, leasing one is the only way I’d consider having one in my garage these days.

jmonroe

xwesx

Michaell said:

Some folks are.

A lot - and, I mean, A LOT - of people said that those blocks looked like drugs. Sheesh!

This is a global group, so I'm getting comments from folks in Europe, as well.

Even though my 2015 was the first year after a redesign, it was using the powertrain that was not new. I feel like we got a great car - lots of folks with the latest iteration are experiencing all sorts of issues with their infotainment systems.

Me? I can't get my phone to pair with Bluetooth, but I can manage without it, given that we only put on 6-7000 miles a year on the car.

Oh, my! Sounds like these folks would poop themselves if they knew what I do with my Subarus. LOL

xwesx

mjfloyd1 said:

@venture said:

But did you take all their cookies when you left?

Wife got some Cheez its. I wondered about the choice with the tan interior😂

Hmm.... when I bought our Q7, I found some of those under the drivers seat. Maybe its a thing with the owners of luxury cars.

jmonroe1

xwesx said:

mjfloyd1 said:

@venture said:

But did you take all their cookies when you left?

Wife got some Cheez its. I wondered about the choice with the tan interior😂

Hmm.... when I bought our Q7, I found some of those under the drivers seat. Maybe its a thing with the owners of luxury cars.
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Probably. Have you checked out the price of those goodie’s lately? I’m considering buying the Aldi knockoff.

jmonroe

xwesx

jmonroe1 said:

Probably. Have you checked out the price of those goodie’s lately? I’m considering buying the Aldi knockoff.

jmonroe

Aldi is a novelty for me, so of course we go there a lot while here in Ohio. I bought some of my favorite Pop Tarts yesterday, which are, of course, the frosted cinnamon variety, except they are not called "Pop Tarts" and they cost about half of the name brand. They taste just as good, though, or at least 98% as good, so I'm happy!

Based on that experience, I recommend you go for it!

andres3

nyccarguy said:

andres3 said:

so a guy inquired in detail about performed preventative maintenance on the S4. I had to then go into detail on how an engine replacement less than 30K miles ago was my preventative maintenance because of all the new parts that go into an engine replacement (including coolant and such). Who needs to walnut blast carbon buildup when you can just replace your engine?

They then offered $20K. I will counter.

You still have that Audi? You didn't trade it in on the X3?

No trade-in, the car's too good.

corvette

I’m a big Aldi fan. I really like their flavored soda water and their slow cooker kits with meat and veggies. A lot of their house brand condiments are really good, and their weekly finds often have random useful things—I got some cheap mid-grade furnace filters there once.

breld

tifighter said:

breld said:

I'm just about halfway through my Audi Q8 E-tron lease, so a year away from making a decision there, but I'm already thinking about whether I'll do another lease or go the used route. Most likely I'll be leasing again, still not trusting where the values on EVs are headed. Like others have posted, if you're buying used I think finding something in the $30k's may be a good approach. Plenty of reputable EVs in that range, like Teslas, Mach-Es, Polestars, etc.

I keep my eye on used E-tron GTs. For something that stickers at over $100k, there are lightly used ones easily in the $60k's. I suspect the steep depreciation still isn't over though.

I'm a little obsessed with this one. I believe it's a custom order color, and I've never owned a purple vehicle!

https://www.audidenver.com/used/Audi/2022-Audi-e-tron+GT-c912e96cac18188190c4986565a130e3.htm

Okay, I can see the appeal on that one. Definitely a rare color combo. I haven't been shopping these - what's the delta between a GT and a comparable Taycan?

Just based on my simple research, it seems comparable Taycans are at least $10-20k more.

oldfarmer50

laurasdada said:

I've never been a leaser, but if I do decide to try a Lucid, it would be a lease. Given it's a startup, I don't think I'd want to be an owner, should something go terribly, financially wrong with the company (e.g. Fisker...again).
Might be a buyer of one of the established marques, however.

I was behind a Lucid Air in Burlington today. Very unique styling.

This was the color:

mjfloyd1

@andres3 said:
No trade-in, the car's too good.

Should have save some coin and used JB Weld😂

jmonroe1

xwesx said:

jmonroe1 said:

Probably. Have you checked out the price of those goodie’s lately? I’m considering buying the Aldi knockoff.

jmonroe

Aldi is a novelty for me, so of course we go there a lot while here in Ohio. I bought some of my favorite Pop Tarts yesterday, which are, of course, the frosted cinnamon variety, except they are not called "Pop Tarts" and they cost about half of the name brand. They taste just as good, though, or at least 98% as good, so I'm happy!

Based on that experience, I recommend you go for it!

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OK, but if they turn out to be in the 2% category, I foresee a trip to Ohio to discuss it with you.

jmonroe

carnaught

The Mrs. and I are also fans of Aldi, but just a word of caution: many of their products have “biologically altered” ingredients or GMO’s. For rare usage probably not an issue but be sure to check their labels thoroughly (usually located under ingredients) as I would not recommend using products with them daily or more than once per week. The ingredients do not impact taste but cause chronic inflammation, a risk factor for cancers, heart problems, diabetes and autoimmune diseases. Other non-Aldi products should be checked when buying as well as this issue is not unique to Aldi. Other products containing palm oil and palm seed oil and other cheap oils, can cause the same increased risks. When feasible stick with organic products. Taking these precautions does cost us more.

roadburner

Tonight my wife and I were attending a fundraiser for a charity we support- held at Mercedes-Benz of Louisville. On the drive over I noticed a loud squeal coming from the right rear wheel of my C43. I suspected a rock in the brake dust shield, but it was really loud. The service department closes at 6:00 pm and at 5:50 pm I pulled into the service lane. A service advisor and a tech quickly checked it over, put it on a lift and verified that it was a rock caught in the brake dust shield. Less than10 minutes later the C43 was returned in a much quieter condition. These guys are good.

nyccarguy

Just an old beat up E30

With an S50 swap

stickguy

love it. but needs a hood.

nyccarguy

@stickguy said:
love it. but needs a hood.

Just looked at my picture and realized that the clamshell hood was open, but it doesn’t show it in the picture. Optical illusion. It was there though.

kyfdx

That's wild. Bet you couldn't duplicate that picture angle, again.

oldfarmer50

carnaught said:

The Mrs. and I are also fans of Aldi, but just a word of caution: many of their products have “biologically altered” ingredients or GMO’s. For rare usage probably not an issue but be sure to check their labels thoroughly (usually located under ingredients) as I would not recommend using products with them daily or more than once per week. The ingredients do not impact taste but cause chronic inflammation, a risk factor for cancers, heart problems, diabetes and autoimmune diseases. Other non-Aldi products should be checked when buying as well as this issue is not unique to Aldi. Other products containing palm oil and palm seed oil and other cheap oils, can cause the same increased risks. When feasible stick with organic products. Taking these precautions does cost us more.

I’ve been to ALDIs for certain breads. Raspberries were half the price of other supermarkets. I bought their store brand equivalent of Cheerios and they didn’t taste the same. Also selection was limited.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I was behind a Lucid Air in Burlington today. Very unique styling.

This was the color:

Black is an unfortunate choice. Maybe it is one of those very dark shades that only shows a hint of color if it is in full sun.

I really like the exterior design of the Lucid. I would be hesitant to ever pull the trigger on one though given the total dependence on its proprietary and initially quite buggy software (not unusual for EVs) and the amount of money they have been losing.

oldfarmer50

That was actually a very dark burgundy. The top was silver. Out in the real world it looked striking.

I doubt I’d but any of these low production brands since their future is questionable.

qbrozen

I can see it. Looks almost purple

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

carnaught said:

The Mrs. and I are also fans of Aldi, but just a word of caution: many of their products have “biologically altered” ingredients or GMO’s. For rare usage probably not an issue but be sure to check their labels thoroughly (usually located under ingredients) as I would not recommend using products with them daily or more than once per week. The ingredients do not impact taste but cause chronic inflammation, a risk factor for cancers, heart problems, diabetes and autoimmune diseases. Other non-Aldi products should be checked when buying as well as this issue is not unique to Aldi. Other products containing palm oil and palm seed oil and other cheap oils, can cause the same increased risks. When feasible stick with organic products. Taking these precautions does cost us more.

I’ve been to ALDIs for certain breads. Raspberries were half the price of other supermarkets. I bought their store brand equivalent of Cheerios and they didn’t taste the same. Also selection was limited.

I'm also an Aldi fan. And, you're right on all counts. Their meats aren't usually "organically" compliant. So, aside from lunch meats, I stay away from them. Dairy and produce is good, though. Certainly cheaper than the chain stores.

graphicguy

Drove a Blazer EV last night. Pretty doggone nice. Not as nice or as fast as the Lyric, but also significantly cheaper (by at least $10K). It's relatively quick. GM did a nice job with the suspension. It drives heavy but the low center of gravity helps keep it planted.

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

But, it's done well aside from that. I think it was a very large mistake taking away Car Play and Android Auto.

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

Drove a Blazer EV last night. Pretty doggone nice. Not as nice or as fast as the Lyric, but also significantly cheaper (by at least $10K). It's relatively quick. GM did a nice job with the suspension. It drives heavy but the low center of gravity helps keep it planted.

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

But, it's done well aside from that. I think it was a very large mistake taking away Car Play and Android Auto.

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There are times when GM can’t get rid of screw ups. It’s almost as though when one or two departments gets it right another one, probably the bean counter guys, get involved and screw up the end product.

Until GM stops the one step forward and two steps back mode, they won’t shed the image they’re trying to overcome.

This from a guy, who at one time, never bought anything other than a GM product.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Drove a Blazer EV last night. Pretty doggone nice. Not as nice or as fast as the Lyric, but also significantly cheaper (by at least $10K). It's relatively quick. GM did a nice job with the suspension. It drives heavy but the low center of gravity helps keep it planted.

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

But, it's done well aside from that. I think it was a very large mistake taking away Car Play and Android Auto.

I thought almost all cars came with AA or CarPlay, not that I would ever use them. Even my Kia has that. The truck and Mustang has Sync which I assume is similar.

pensfan83

No snacks. I'll do what I can on beverages but I feel like I've failed.

suydam

graphicguy said:

Drove a Blazer EV last night. Pretty doggone nice. Not as nice or as fast as the Lyric, but also significantly cheaper (by at least $10K). It's relatively quick. GM did a nice job with the suspension. It drives heavy but the low center of gravity helps keep it planted.

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

But, it's done well aside from that. I think it was a very large mistake taking away Car Play and Android Auto.

They’re following Tesla, largest seller of EVs here by a wide margin, which doesn’t have Car
Play and I’ve never seen a single review complain about it. So it seems a little odd that every single review of the Blazer has to beat that drum. Me, I mostly listen to Sirius XM so I don’t care. I do know that Alex of Alex on Autos found some workaround, if it is important to you.
They also follow Tesla in not having a start/stop button. I’m so used to it now that when I’m in the Kia I have to remember it won’t start automatically!

stickguy

@pensfan83 said:
No snacks. I'll do what I can on beverages but I feel like I've failed.

Open the cabinets and look for them.

stickguy

I use CarPlay for the google maps. I do run Spotify through it too but would not care if the cars system ran that instead.

laurasdada

pensfan83 said:

No snacks. I'll do what I can on beverages but I feel like I've failed.

This is why I go to Cape Audi vs north of me. Snacks.
I fear that you have chosen poorly.

laurasdada

graphicguy said:

Drove a Blazer EV last night. Pretty doggone nice. Not as nice or as fast as the Lyric, but also significantly cheaper (by at least $10K). It's relatively quick. GM did a nice job with the suspension. It drives heavy but the low center of gravity helps keep it planted.

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

But, it's done well aside from that. I think it was a very large mistake taking away Car Play and Android Auto.

It appears that Edmunds agrees with you:

Cons
Lackluster acceleration and handling
Infotainment system doesn't include Apple CarPlay smartphone integration
Obstructed rear visibility

graphicguy

laurasdada said:

graphicguy said:

Drove a Blazer EV last night. Pretty doggone nice. Not as nice or as fast as the Lyric, but also significantly cheaper (by at least $10K). It's relatively quick. GM did a nice job with the suspension. It drives heavy but the low center of gravity helps keep it planted.

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

But, it's done well aside from that. I think it was a very large mistake taking away Car Play and Android Auto.

It appears that Edmunds agrees with you:

Cons
Lackluster acceleration and handling
Infotainment system doesn't include Apple CarPlay smartphone integration
Obstructed rear visibility

Just read through the Edmunds review. Sounds pretty dismal.

The rear view is pretty teeny. But, the camera based rear view mirror mitigates much of that.

Wouldn't call the acceleration lack luster. It feels quicker than my Accord, for certain. Handling....kind of have to remember you're in what is essentially a heavy SUV (not even a CUV). Putting it in that frame, it's not nearly as ponderous as something like a Tahoe or Explorer.

Drove a Honda Prologue this afternoon. It solves most of the issues I had with the Blazer. Apple Car Play is there. It handles better than the Blazer. It had a nice sunroof that the Blazer didn't have. Even the stereo is better.

Lot's of Chevy in it...window switches, door handles. The HVAC controls are the same in both. The screens are different. The UI is different. Suspension tuning is different. I know they are built in the sam factory, but perhaps the QC with Honda is better than Chevy as it felt better put together and didn't squeak like the Blazer. The power outlet is way better on the Honda. It's a simple push to open vs Chevy's push and wait for a little electric motor to open the door for you.

Pricing is similar. Of course, that all goes out the window if leasing is the goal.

ab348

graphicguy said:

Not sure I can get over not having Apple Car Play, though. You can't get to my much loved Podcasts, nor sort my music on I-Tunes. Google maps on the Blazer is pretty basic.

The Blazer has both a Podcasts choice along with a Spotify choice on its native infotainment system which is running Android Automotive, whatever that is. I have to think you can listen to whatever suits your fancy.

One thing I don’t get is that a review stated that you can’t use an iPhone to stream high-quality audio to the Blazer’s system, which I really don’t understand. Don’t know how true that is.