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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,050

    I bought my daughter a used Camry with $89k. She sold it several years later approaching 200k, still running fine although definitely beat up by that time (that's why no way I would ever buy a new car for a college kid. No hesitation on spending that money.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    The more I check out the newer cars the more I find them either too complex or just boring. Methinks that I will go back to the future and find a nice 1988 M6 in the $20,000 to $25,000 range. No depreciation, gorgeous styling, and the awesome roar of the S38 motor.
    Maybe you CAN go home again...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,177

    @roadburner said:
    The more I check out the newer cars the more I find them either too complex or just boring. Methinks that I will go back to the future and find a nice 1988 M6 in the $20,000 to $25,000 range. No depreciation, gorgeous styling, and the awesome roar of the S38 motor.
    Maybe you CAN go home again...

    Depends on what you need. If you are doing extensive long distance work travel, and need to depend on it, maybe not. But, if you are retired, work from home, take the train, etc. so you just need the car for more pleasure use, why not?

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    My last M6 was pretty reliable, it had the usual issues that BMWs of that vintage tend to have(water pump, P/S hoses, and the like) but nothing outrageous. I wouldn't hesitate to drive a well-sorted E24 from Seattle to Key West. I'll probably keep a hot hatch in the garage for a commuter sled to drive in the salt and such and drive the "vintage" cars the rest of the time.

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    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,214
    edited February 2014

    @roadburner said:
    Maybe you CAN go home again...

    Sure you can, just don't forget your Visa card and your BMW CCA list of mechanics! :p

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    Unlike modern BMWs, the only thing that is really pricey on an M5/M6 of that vintage is the motor itself, and if you change the timing chain and tensioner at 100k intervals it will run almost forever. I'd be willing to bet that an E24/E28 M car would cost less to maintain out of warranty than any of the new turbo BMWs- and the older cars won't require $50,000 worth of diagnostic equipment to register a replacement battery or reinitialize the steering angle sensor. No run flats either. It's also nice to own a car with an oil dipstick and a drain plug for the differential. A Euro exhaust and a Conforti chip will give you over a bit 300 bhp to play with. A high five second 0-60 time certainly isn't quick, and a top speed of 160 is a yawner these days as well, but it's enough to make the drive interesting.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,116

    "160 is a yawner"

    I sure wouldn't be yawning at 160. My mouth might be open but I'd be screaming, not yawning.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,116

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,712

    posted this in project cars, but thought y'all would like them. ;)

    Who the hell needed a valve cover??

    Could be great fun for the money

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,093

    I've made a couple of attempts to find a luxo-beater. Every time I do, I keep asking myself..."why"? I really don't have a good reply. Although, OldFarmer, that '88 M6 looks mighty fine. You have a real knack for finding some real gems.

    Roadburner....doesn't happen often, but there are times that I look around for some old muscle iron to tinker, just so I can relive my youth when we'd hit open track night to "run what you brung". Not sure how long that would hold my interest these days, though.

    I know my group of friends is heading into their "golden years" when they start buying those 3 wheel motor cycles (as two have already done) and try to convince me to do the same. I always say to them..."what's the point?". Either get a cruiser (seems Harleys and Gullwings have that market covered), or forget about the whole thing. What's next for them? Man diapers that I see advertised by ex-jocks?

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    Yes, although I would want either the silver or tan interior. This car has also been modified; a homebrew cold air intake, gaudy wheels, and cheap looking pedal covers. And, at 105k the timing chain/tensioner service is past due. I'd definitely want it thoroughly inspected by a tech who knows the cars.
    Unlike the 1988 M5 sedan, the US spec M6 came with the metric 415 size TRX tires/wheels, so the wheels would need to be swapped- but I'd find a more appropriate style than the Pimp Daddy wheels this poor car is fitted with.

    My original car was Black:

    But my next one will be either Cinnabar Red:

    Or Royal Blue:

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    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,093
    edited February 2014

    Looked at the video on this car. $10K is way too much. It's had at least one respray. Nothing wrong with that, except a closer inspection needs to be done to see if there was body damage. New driver's seat is needed ($1,500?). Aftermarket stereo...what did that do to the rest of the electronics? Wheels don't look standard, although they put a BMW center cap on them. They don't look like particularly good aftermarket wheels, either.

    Miles are good, though.

    $6K...maybe?

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386

    I'll chime in on the three wheelers.

    BTW - Ive been pretty much absent everywhere - not just here. Winter has me pretty down and I don't have much of, shall we say, a support network. I should have realized that I do have one here.

    Anyway, I've never been a motorcycle guy but if I did something three wheels would be my way to go. It's a balance issue. One "oops" that one guy might survive I'd be unlikely to. Now if you'd like me say that there are a lot of guys out there are just wusses I'll be happy to support that.....

    OK - who all is in the North Carolina area that I'd pass by on the way to Tallahassee? I'm talking evening of March 4 if there is such a one. I'm creating what's turning out to be a more tightly scripted trip than anticipated trip because of two commitments I have and one that the friend in Tallahassee has. I also have to be home for my second second birthday (two years since transplant 3/28). so late March is out and once April shows up I may as well stay in Jersey....

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,093

    @qbrozen said:
    posted this in project cars, but thought y'all would like them. ;)

    Who the hell needed a valve cover??

    Could be great fun for the money

    No valve cover gasket on the first one. Could drive with it like that. But, it would make one helluva mess under the hood in short order.

    RX8....they don't mention what the "minor issues" are. Not afraid of a new motor, though. Those things burned oil, as did all rotaries. But, people didn't check and burned them up. Price isn't bad, particularly for a really fun car. Still...."minor issues". :s

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    The 1988 M6 isn't exactly common, but there are enough nice cars around that you don't have to settle for a fright queen.

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    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited February 2014

    @roadburner said:
    The more I check out the newer cars the more I find them either too complex or just boring. Methinks that I will go back to the future and find a nice 1988 M6 in the $20,000 to $25,000 range. No depreciation, gorgeous styling, and the awesome roar of the S38 motor.
    Maybe you CAN go home again...

    Careful there---not so simple a car and M motors of that era are not noted for longevity. Also a very rust prone car. Look for hidden repairs in the rockers and wheel wells. Buy wisely---but you know the drill here.

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,050

    Fezo: I'm a transplant recipient too (kidney). Two years 4months. I also consider that date my new birthday. And BTW today is National Donor Day. Now back to cars!

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited February 2014

    I'm not a motorcycle guy either but the tricycle bikes sound about as dangerous as you can get (think old Honda ATVs). Seems like the tracking and centrifugal forces are better managed with a reverse setup with two wheels up front and one in the back.

    Time for a plug for Be The Match.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Maybe "greater love hath no man" applies to giving a life, but giving an organ can't be far behind!

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241
    edited February 2014

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    Careful there---not so simple a car and M motors of that era are not noted for longevity. Also a very rust prone car. Look for hidden repairs in the rockers and wheel wells. Buy wisely---but you know the drill here.

    The cars really aren't that complex. If you don't want to fool with the self-leveling rear suspension you throw on some Bilsteins. Electronics? Bosch Motronic engine management and Bosch ABS. Simple.

    I know you have often claimed that the S38B35 motors have reliability issues, but in my experience they are very durable. I was the East Coast Tech Advisor for the M Register for years and just about the only problem I would encounter was the aforementioned timing chain/tensioner. If you want to flog it north of 6,500 rpm consistently you can easily upgrade the crank hub and bolt while you have the front of the motor apart for the timing chain. Granted, run it low on oil, over-rev it, or overheat it and you will have problems, but aside from that they run almost forever.

    Rust? Yes, on a poorly maintained/repaired car- but on an E24 the tinworm is usually easy to spot. It's almost always found on the front clip- under the hood.

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    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192

    I have also looked at 'classic' BMWs occasionally.
    A 3.0CS from the early 1970s shows up at the park where I jog every so often - I drool.
    However, I also find myself thinking, what I'd REALLY like is that 3.0 CS with a modern drivetrain & rustproofing, etc.
    So - I leased a new BMW.
    [ And may again. ]

    • Ray

    No regrets...

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,116

    @qbrozen said:
    posted this in project cars, but thought y'all would like them. ;)

    Who the hell needed a valve cover??

    Not only did someone steal engine parts but then they rolled that "owner's" car into a dealer's lot. Stole the licence plates too.

    Yeah, I'd believe anything that seller told me.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    They were pretty fast for their time, in the low 6 second range. The Euro motor would be great to have wouldn't it? 30 more HP than the American version. Bottom ends on those engines are indestructible but top ends, no so good. My buddy owns one and its been pretty good for him--he's a former Ferrari/Maserati mechanic so he knows what he's doing.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,116

    @graphicguy said:

    See, right off you were able to tell what didn't ad up with that M6. I wouldn't have a clue and would probably get hot pants only to figure out later why it was cheap.

    On the other hand, all those non-standard bits like the wheels and such would tend to scare off the purists like roadburner who might bid the price up. If it was an otherwise good car it might go cheaper than a matching numbers show model. BTW, I like the wheels.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    @qbrozen said:
    posted this in project cars, but thought y'all would like them. ;)

    Who the hell needed a valve cover??

    Could be great fun for the money

    Who would steal a valve cover?

    It looks like someone started working on this car and ended up over their heads or perhaps they discovered serious engine problems. Who knows?

    I know a guy who got the entire engine stolen out of his VW bus one night!

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Those wheels on that Miami M6 are awful. I think some early 7 series E32 wheels would fit just fine?

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,712

    @isellhondas said:
    I know a guy who got the entire engine stolen out of his VW bus one night!

    And yet that was probably easier to steal and worth quite a bit more than the mazda valve cover.
    haha

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited February 2014

    A guy with the right tools and knowhow can pull an early VW engine in a very short time.

    I had a guy who worked for me that could install a new clutch in a beetle in less than a half hour. I timed him. Try that on a Prelude SH or a Mini Cooper S.

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,156

    This dealer had a Cinnabar Red M6, but I guess it sold. How about this:

    copleymotorcars.com/?showroom=1742

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,904

    @suydam said:
    I bought my daughter a used Camry with $89k. She sold it several years later approaching 200k, still running fine although definitely beat up by that time (that's why no way I would ever buy a new car for a college kid. No hesitation on spending that money.

    See right there - these used Toyotas get crazy money. I wouldn't have paid any more than $85k. :)

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,904

    Ugh! Selling privately can be a pain. I've had a couple interested parties in both the 335xi and the 530i - mostly from out of state. I figured that's what I'm gonna get for these manual trannie, sport package cars, but sure would be nice if some local enthusiast took an interest.

    Working with a nice individual all the way from SC on the 335xi - seems very interested, but you never know until it's actually done.

    Have had a couple of offers on the 530i, but about a grand lower than where I (or my MIL) would want to be. $1k may not be too much, but it's enough to go ahead and wait for the springtime for potentially more interest.

    Last week, a local guy calls me to inquire about the BMW I have for sale - I have to reply "Which one?" to which he says "The Blue One." Still needed more clarification. :)

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,904

    Still looking for a nice ZHP - kyfdx, I know you kinda like the 530i, why don't we just meet halfway and swap vehicles? How about somewhere in Missouri? ;)

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,177

    Fezo, sterlingdig (aka Richard) is your man in North Carolina. I think even real close to 95?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,177

    Shopping tomorrow. The allure of HP has cooled the son on the Mazda. He is all gaga over the gli but a 1.8t Jetta SE might make the cut. Depends on buy and lease quotes we get tomorrow. But vw has some major incentives at the moment.

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,156

    Re: Evoque. I haven't driven, but having spent a lot of time Jag XF shopping, have spent some time in them. Nice interior, however, not for the claustrophobic! The styling/small greenhouse does not lend to great visibility. I believe a rear camera is standard as the rear window approaches gun-slit territory. Cargo area isn't huge, would depend on your needs.

    Beyond it's styling, overall, I believe that X3 and Q5 are generally higher rated from an overall vehicle standpoint. While I'm banking on Jag's improved reliability, I'm not sure I'd yet make the same bet on LR. But, at least you'd have a warranty...

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,356

    Gotta say it...the typical Evoque driver probably doesn't look where they are going much anyway, so visibility isn't as important B)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    @isellhondas said:
    A guy with the right tools and knowhow can pull an early VW engine in a very short time.

    I had a guy who worked for me that could install a new clutch in a beetle in less than a half hour. I timed him. Try that on a Prelude SH or a Mini Cooper S.

    I feel fully confident that I could put a clutch in a MINI in under 18 hours. :)

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    I wonder what the book calls for on a Mini?

    Sounds like a 3000.00 job when everything is done!

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    @isellhondas said:
    I wonder what the book calls for on a Mini?

    Sounds like a 3000.00 job when everything is done!

    Good guess; Car and Driver's Mini dealer charged $2,800 to R&R the clutch on their Long Term John Cooper Works droptop.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,214

    @roadburner said:
    Good guess; Car and Driver's Mini dealer charged $2,800 to R&R the clutch on their Long Term John Cooper Works droptop.

    Since they gave a price, I'm guessing it wasn't covered under warranty?

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,712

    oh man, I want this! I just can't spare the cash right now.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,904

    @stickguy said:
    Shopping tomorrow. The allure of HP has cooled the son on the Mazda. He is all gaga over the gli but a 1.8t Jetta SE might make the cut. Depends on buy and lease quotes we get tomorrow. But vw has some major incentives at the moment.

    Look forward to seeing what your son comes up with this weekend, if he does indeed pull the trigger.

    The GLI is certainly a nice package - all the cosmetic touches they added to that model really set it apart from other Jettas.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,214

    @qbrozen said:
    oh man, I want this! I just can't spare the cash right now.

    I always liked the look of those. It looks good in white. Although that example has low miles, it's beat all to heck on the outside, and the interior looks better except for the door armrest areas, which are sagging.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,177

    The GLI does have some nice touches, but I think the SE makes more "sense" overall. Especially being on a tight budget. Of course, I also have no interest in buying a car without a moonroof, so I just assume everyone else feels the same way. I know he likes the one on his TL, but he did not seem to be that concerned about it (though compromising can often come back to bite you in the butt once reality sets in).

    The SE also drives pretty well with the 1.8t engine. I would never have considered it with the doggy 2.5l 5 cyl.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,116

    @qbrozen said:
    oh man, [I want this!](http://newjersey.craigslist.org/c

    to/4270536084.html "newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4270536084.html") I just can't spare the cash right now.

    Oh oh, the hood is up. Better check for missing valve covers. :)

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,177

    @qbrozen said:
    oh man, I want this! I just can't spare the cash right now.

    I like it too. Would like it even more without the AWD to go bad, though I guess you could always just take out the rear prop shaft if the diff goes south. At least that worked on R models.

    not really much cash here though. Dump the benz, and here is your winter beater for when the Mustang is a no-go.

    something scares me about it. Might be the price, or pictures taken with the hood up. What's up with that?

    I could always get something like this and sell the TL to pay for it. Or not.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    @isellhondas said:
    I wonder what the book calls for on a Mini?

    Sounds like a 3000.00 job when everything is done!

    Book labor rate on a MINI clutch is 12.0 hours + parts, and they recommend a new flywheel, guide pins, clutch kit, blah blah--so yeah, you could hit $3K.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,177

    well, with that huge of a job, darned right while I am in there I would be replacing everything that might possibly ever wear out!

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,241

    @corvette said:
    Since they gave a price, I'm guessing it wasn't covered under warranty?

    Exactly.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602

    @qbrozen said:
    oh man, I want this! I just can't spare the cash right now.

    How can you go wrong --- it runs like NEW !!

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