2017 Audi A4 Lease Questions

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  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    Hello. Working on 36mo but curious about MF and RV for 48 month Quattro Prestige 12/yr. Thanks for the previous info on the 36 mo MF and RV.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    drnittany said:

    Hi Moderator!

    Trying to negotiate a deal for a friend and was wondering what you thought.

    Here is her lease deal:

    MSRP: $42,850
    Sale Price: $39,765
    Residue Buyout; $22,282
    Miles: 12,000k
    Term: 36 months
    Cash down: $2000
    Monthly: $479
    Audicare included: $0

    VA tax: $1759
    Doc fee: $495
    Registration: $62

    Manager said her finance rate is 3.4%

    Think she can do better???

    What trim level? FWD or Quattro?

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  • drnittanydrnittany Member Posts: 5
    Michaell said:

    drnittany said:

    Hi Moderator!

    Trying to negotiate a deal for a friend and was wondering what you thought.

    Here is her lease deal:

    MSRP: $42,850
    Sale Price: $39,765
    Residue Buyout; $22,282
    Miles: 12,000k
    Term: 36 months
    Cash down: $2000
    Monthly: $479
    Audicare included: $0

    VA tax: $1759
    Doc fee: $495
    Registration: $62

    Manager said her finance rate is 3.4%

    Think she can do better???

    What trim level? FWD or Quattro?


    Sorry, my apologies for not including it.

    It's a 2017 A4 Premium Quattro.

    Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    drnittany said:

    Michaell said:

    drnittany said:

    Hi Moderator!

    Trying to negotiate a deal for a friend and was wondering what you thought.

    Here is her lease deal:

    MSRP: $42,850
    Sale Price: $39,765
    Residue Buyout; $22,282
    Miles: 12,000k
    Term: 36 months
    Cash down: $2000
    Monthly: $479
    Audicare included: $0

    VA tax: $1759
    Doc fee: $495
    Registration: $62

    Manager said her finance rate is 3.4%

    Think she can do better???

    What trim level? FWD or Quattro?
    Sorry, my apologies for not including it.

    It's a 2017 A4 Premium Quattro.

    Thanks!
    36/12 on A4 Premium Quattro is .00079 and 58%. That mf works out to about 1.9%

    WIth your MSRP and sale price, I get $465/mo.

    What is the adjusted cap cost? I ask because the $2000 at signing isn't enough to cover the tax, doc fee, registration, first payment and bank fee.

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  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    I got him to respond with this:

    Acquisition fee: $785
    Dealer fee: $496
    DMV: $350
    Sales tax (NJ @ 7%): about $1300

    negotiated price: $36,327

    adjusted cap: $39,258


    How's that make the $520/m figure look now?
    Michaell said:


    Michaell said:

    How are these numbers:

    2017 A4 Quattro w/AudiCare
    15,000 miles
    42 months
    MSRP: $42,635
    Price: $36,327
    Residual: 52%
    MF: .00099

    $520/m only make 1st payment at signing no other $ down.

    They are taking my existing lease on an audi w/1 month left at $505. I have $600 in minor repairs that I am not sure how to handle. Can you negotiate that with Audi if you buy another audi? They are such minor things like hook marks from rocks hitting it on the highway. About a dozen of those they priced at $300 and a cracked front fender @ $300.
    Using your numbers, as is, I get $395/mo before tax.

    You need to find out what the adjusted cap cost is, if you are rolling in all the taxes and fees. My guess is that the damage and last payment are being added in, as well.

    I asked for it and this was their response:

    the numbers I am giving you are the actual real numbers that any Audi dealer goes by. Idk what Edmunds is telling you but that is false. The cap cost is the selling price which is $36,327. Like I said you can shop these numbers around to any dealer and they will tell you that we are crazy and are not doing the deal but we are.


    I'm not disputing the MF and residual - those match the information I have.

    I'm questioning the adjusted capitalized cost, because the numbers we have give a payment far less than what the dealer is quoting you.

    Math doesn't lie.

    Where is the acquisition fee?
    Where is the dealer fee (assuming there is one)?
    Where is the registration or DMV costs (assuming you pay that to the dealer)?
    What state and tax rate is this?

    If that cap cost includes all the above then the actual selling price is far lower, and the payment should be a lot smaller than the $520/mo quote.

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527

    I got him to respond with this:

    Acquisition fee: $785
    Dealer fee: $496
    DMV: $350
    Sales tax (NJ @ 7%): about $1300

    negotiated price: $36,327

    adjusted cap: $39,258


    How's that make the $520/m figure look now?


    Michaell said:


    Michaell said:

    How are these numbers:

    2017 A4 Quattro w/AudiCare
    15,000 miles
    42 months
    MSRP: $42,635
    Price: $36,327
    Residual: 52%
    MF: .00099

    $520/m only make 1st payment at signing no other $ down.

    They are taking my existing lease on an audi w/1 month left at $505. I have $600 in minor repairs that I am not sure how to handle. Can you negotiate that with Audi if you buy another audi? They are such minor things like hook marks from rocks hitting it on the highway. About a dozen of those they priced at $300 and a cracked front fender @ $300.
    Using your numbers, as is, I get $395/mo before tax.

    You need to find out what the adjusted cap cost is, if you are rolling in all the taxes and fees. My guess is that the damage and last payment are being added in, as well.

    I asked for it and this was their response:

    the numbers I am giving you are the actual real numbers that any Audi dealer goes by. Idk what Edmunds is telling you but that is false. The cap cost is the selling price which is $36,327. Like I said you can shop these numbers around to any dealer and they will tell you that we are crazy and are not doing the deal but we are.
    I'm not disputing the MF and residual - those match the information I have.

    I'm questioning the adjusted capitalized cost, because the numbers we have give a payment far less than what the dealer is quoting you.

    Math doesn't lie.

    Where is the acquisition fee?
    Where is the dealer fee (assuming there is one)?
    Where is the registration or DMV costs (assuming you pay that to the dealer)?
    What state and tax rate is this?

    If that cap cost includes all the above then the actual selling price is far lower, and the payment should be a lot smaller than the $520/mo quote.



    Using $39,258 as the adjusted cap cost with everything else staying the same, the payment goes to $468/mo for 42 months - still about $2200 missing from the cap cost.

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  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49

    How are these numbers:

    2017 A4 Quattro w/AudiCare
    15,000 miles
    42 months
    MSRP: $42,635
    Price: $36,327
    Residual: 52%
    MF: .00099

    $520/m only make 1st payment at signing no other $ down.

    They are taking my existing lease on an audi w/1 month left at $505. I have $600 in minor repairs that I am not sure how to handle. Can you negotiate that with Audi if you buy another audi? They are such minor things like hook marks from rocks hitting it on the highway. About a dozen of those they priced at $300 and a cracked front fender @ $300.

    Hey. I think you said this is from a NJ dealer correct? I'm in northern NJ and wouldn't mind if I could PM you since this is my first experience with buying an Audi and seems you have done it before.

    Also Michaell, would this be the Residual and MF for 42 month Prestige for 15K? Would residual go up to 54% for 12K 42 mo?
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    Michaell said:

    alen129 said:

    Can you tell me which trim holds a better RV after 36mo/10k in CA?
    also if you can please tell me what the RV and MF for all 3 trims for 36mo/10k in CA are?

    Premium and Prem Plus have a better residual than Prestige.

    FWD or Quattro?
    Sorry to ask this buy why would Prem and Prem+ have better residual value? Easier to sell after lease because the Prestige is priced higher?
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    noles200 said:

    How are these numbers:

    2017 A4 Quattro w/AudiCare
    15,000 miles
    42 months
    MSRP: $42,635
    Price: $36,327
    Residual: 52%
    MF: .00099

    $520/m only make 1st payment at signing no other $ down.

    They are taking my existing lease on an audi w/1 month left at $505. I have $600 in minor repairs that I am not sure how to handle. Can you negotiate that with Audi if you buy another audi? They are such minor things like hook marks from rocks hitting it on the highway. About a dozen of those they priced at $300 and a cracked front fender @ $300.

    Hey. I think you said this is from a NJ dealer correct? I'm in northern NJ and wouldn't mind if I could PM you since this is my first experience with buying an Audi and seems you have done it before.

    Also Michaell, would this be the Residual and MF for 42 month Prestige for 15K? Would residual go up to 54% for 12K 42 mo?
    42/15 on Quattro Prestige is .00099 and 48%.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    noles200 said:

    Michaell said:

    alen129 said:

    Can you tell me which trim holds a better RV after 36mo/10k in CA?
    also if you can please tell me what the RV and MF for all 3 trims for 36mo/10k in CA are?

    Premium and Prem Plus have a better residual than Prestige.

    FWD or Quattro?
    Sorry to ask this buy why would Prem and Prem+ have better residual value? Easier to sell after lease because the Prestige is priced higher?
    In general, higher trim levels have lower residuals.

    Better to find a Premium or Premium Plus and option it up to be like a Prestige.

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  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    Michaell said:

    noles200 said:

    Michaell said:

    alen129 said:

    Can you tell me which trim holds a better RV after 36mo/10k in CA?
    also if you can please tell me what the RV and MF for all 3 trims for 36mo/10k in CA are?

    Premium and Prem Plus have a better residual than Prestige.

    FWD or Quattro?
    Sorry to ask this buy why would Prem and Prem+ have better residual value? Easier to sell after lease because the Prestige is priced higher?
    In general, higher trim levels have lower residuals.

    Better to find a Premium or Premium Plus and option it up to be like a Prestige.
    Thanks. Tried that but Driver Assistance Pkg doesn't come in Prem+ unfortunately.
  • meggipantsmeggipants Member Posts: 25
    Hi, Is the lease values for a 2017 Audi A4 quattro premium plus in DE,MD and PA for 36/15k the following, MF= 0.00079 and RV= 56% ? Any difference when adding Audi Care ? I'd also like the values for 24/15k.

    Thanks !
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,651

    Hi, Is the lease values for a 2017 Audi A4 quattro premium plus in DE,MD and PA for 36/15k the following, MF= 0.00079 and RV= 56% ? Any difference when adding Audi Care ? I'd also like the values for 24/15k.

    Thanks !

    Those are correct. Add 1% for AudiCare, add 7% for 24/15.

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  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    So I just verbally agreed to $505/m on a 42m 15k mile lease with AudiCare.  Msrp was $41,600 approximately.  The car  has Quattro.  

    No money down...I thought the payment was eighth where it should be so I accepted.  Getting all numbers this morning.  
  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    Attached is a PDF file showing my worksheet with the numbers agreed upon.

    This is a 2017 A4 Quattro Premium w/ 15,000 miles 42 months + AudiCare
  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    I am not sure why it says $1255 due at signing. I only paid $505 - 1st month's pmt.
  • siblingsibling Member Posts: 3
    Looking for MF/Residual for 10/36 for 2017 A4 Premium Quattro in Oregon.

    Thanks in advance.

  • crendoncrendon Member Posts: 6
    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!
  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    I got $505 with no money down @ 42m/15 miles. Sounds doable.
  • misterkushmisterkush Member Posts: 8

    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    I got $505 with no money down @ 42m/15 miles. Sounds doable.


    Out of curiosity: what are the Dealer Services, Phantom Footprints, and Tint? Those seem odd and expensive.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527

    I am not sure why it says $1255 due at signing. I only paid $505 - 1st month's pmt.

    That's because there is a $750 incentive available for loyalty.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    sibling said:

    Looking for MF/Residual for 10/36 for 2017 A4 Premium Quattro in Oregon.

    Thanks in advance.

    .00079 and 59%

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    36/15 on FWD Premium is .00034 and 54%. Add 2% for 12K. Your MF is marked up for extra profit. Add 1% for AudiCare.

    Using your MSRP and "balance", I get $671/mo

    Questions for you:

    What state and tax rate is this?

    The "phantom footprints" and "tint" are adding $18/mo to the payment. Do you need them?

    Your discount from sticker is about 5% - might be a little bit of room to go lower.

    Reach out to another dealer .. the competition will get you a better price, and a better deal.

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  • crendoncrendon Member Posts: 6
    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    36/15 on FWD Premium is .00034 and 54%. Add 2% for 12K. Your MF is marked up for extra profit. Add 1% for AudiCare.

    Using your MSRP and "balance", I get $671/mo

    Questions for you:

    What state and tax rate is this?

    The "phantom footprints" and "tint" are adding $18/mo to the payment. Do you need them?

    Your discount from sticker is about 5% - might be a little bit of room to go lower.

    Reach out to another dealer .. the competition will get you a better price, and a better deal.

    Thanks for the Reply Michael! I am in Texas and the tax rate is 8.25% so that tax shown there threw me off. As for the phantom footprint and the tints, the dealer said that they do them for every car, which is just another way to charge you for something you don't need I'm my opinion. Do you have any idea of what incentives Audi has going on currently for the 2017 model?

    Thank you for the help, appreciate it!
  • lespaul30lespaul30 Member Posts: 50
    Just an FYI, the tax rate in Texas on auto sales is 6.25%. The usual additional 2% local sales tax (total 8.25% for most purchases) does not apply to auto sales. And unfortunately, we are taxed on the entire purchase price of the car rather than the lease amount
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    36/15 on FWD Premium is .00034 and 54%. Add 2% for 12K. Your MF is marked up for extra profit. Add 1% for AudiCare.

    Using your MSRP and "balance", I get $671/mo

    Questions for you:

    What state and tax rate is this?

    The "phantom footprints" and "tint" are adding $18/mo to the payment. Do you need them?

    Your discount from sticker is about 5% - might be a little bit of room to go lower.

    Reach out to another dealer .. the competition will get you a better price, and a better deal.

    Thanks for the Reply Michael! I am in Texas and the tax rate is 8.25% so that tax shown there threw me off. As for the phantom footprint and the tints, the dealer said that they do them for every car, which is just another way to charge you for something you don't need I'm my opinion. Do you have any idea of what incentives Audi has going on currently for the 2017 model?

    Thank you for the help, appreciate it!
    $750 loyalty incentive

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  • crendoncrendon Member Posts: 6
    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    36/15 on FWD Premium is .00034 and 54%. Add 2% for 12K. Your MF is marked up for extra profit. Add 1% for AudiCare.

    Using your MSRP and "balance", I get $671/mo

    Questions for you:

    What state and tax rate is this?

    The "phantom footprints" and "tint" are adding $18/mo to the payment. Do you need them?

    Your discount from sticker is about 5% - might be a little bit of room to go lower.

    Reach out to another dealer .. the competition will get you a better price, and a better deal.

    Thanks for the Reply Michael! I am in Texas and the tax rate is 8.25% so that tax shown there threw me off. As for the phantom footprint and the tints, the dealer said that they do them for every car, which is just another way to charge you for something you don't need I'm my opinion. Do you have any idea of what incentives Audi has going on currently for the 2017 model?

    Thank you for the help, appreciate it!
    $750 loyalty incentive
    Thank you sir. As far as invoice pricing goes for Audis, is it the regular .92 x MSRP?
  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    Did I end up getting an OK deal?

    MSRP: $41,260
    Vehicle price: $36,789
    Adjusted cap cost: $40,485 w/sales tax, acquisition, etc.
    Residual: 53%
    MF: 0.00099
    NJ 7% tax rate

    A4 Premium Quattro w/AudiCare

    42 months, 15k miles, $505/m Good or bad?
  • misterkushmisterkush Member Posts: 8
    Did I end up getting an OK deal? MSRP: $41,260 Vehicle price: $36,789 Adjusted cap cost: $40,485 w/sales tax, acquisition, etc. Residual: 53% MF: 0.00099 NJ 7% tax rate A4 Premium Quattro w/AudiCare 42 months, 15k miles, $505/m Good or bad?
    How much money for down payment? 
  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33



    Did I end up getting an OK deal?

    MSRP: $41,260
    Vehicle price: $36,789
    Adjusted cap cost: $40,485 w/sales tax, acquisition, etc.
    Residual: 53%
    MF: 0.00099
    NJ 7% tax rate

    A4 Premium Quattro w/AudiCare

    42 months, 15k miles, $505/m Good or bad?

    How much money for down payment? 

    nothing
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    36/15 on FWD Premium is .00034 and 54%. Add 2% for 12K. Your MF is marked up for extra profit. Add 1% for AudiCare.

    Using your MSRP and "balance", I get $671/mo

    Questions for you:

    What state and tax rate is this?

    The "phantom footprints" and "tint" are adding $18/mo to the payment. Do you need them?

    Your discount from sticker is about 5% - might be a little bit of room to go lower.

    Reach out to another dealer .. the competition will get you a better price, and a better deal.

    Thanks for the Reply Michael! I am in Texas and the tax rate is 8.25% so that tax shown there threw me off. As for the phantom footprint and the tints, the dealer said that they do them for every car, which is just another way to charge you for something you don't need I'm my opinion. Do you have any idea of what incentives Audi has going on currently for the 2017 model?

    Thank you for the help, appreciate it!
    $750 loyalty incentive
    Thank you sir. As far as invoice pricing goes for Audis, is it the regular .92 x MSRP?
    We've always felt that 6% off the Audi MSRP was a good discount. If you can get more, more power to you!

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527

    Did I end up getting an OK deal?

    MSRP: $41,260
    Vehicle price: $36,789
    Adjusted cap cost: $40,485 w/sales tax, acquisition, etc.
    Residual: 53%
    MF: 0.00099
    NJ 7% tax rate

    A4 Premium Quattro w/AudiCare

    42 months, 15k miles, $505/m Good or bad?

    I get $505/mo on the nose with those numbers. If you're comfortable with the selling price, looks like a solid deal, especially if there was no out of pocket at lease signing.

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  • jdacunha213jdacunha213 Member Posts: 33
    Michaell said:

    Did I end up getting an OK deal?

    MSRP: $41,260
    Vehicle price: $36,789
    Adjusted cap cost: $40,485 w/sales tax, acquisition, etc.
    Residual: 53%
    MF: 0.00099
    NJ 7% tax rate

    A4 Premium Quattro w/AudiCare

    42 months, 15k miles, $505/m Good or bad?

    I get $505/mo on the nose with those numbers. If you're comfortable with the selling price, looks like a solid deal, especially if there was no out of pocket at lease signing.
    Perfect - Thanks!

    The cap costs included a $505 payment that they are making for me as my last payment from my old lease. I didn't really care because I am getting a new car a month earlier at the same monthly payment. Last time I bought my Audi, I paid $505/m + $2500 down and a $1500 trade in. Terrible deal. Glad I found this site. Thanks for your help.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527

    Michaell said:

    Did I end up getting an OK deal?

    MSRP: $41,260
    Vehicle price: $36,789
    Adjusted cap cost: $40,485 w/sales tax, acquisition, etc.
    Residual: 53%
    MF: 0.00099
    NJ 7% tax rate

    A4 Premium Quattro w/AudiCare

    42 months, 15k miles, $505/m Good or bad?

    I get $505/mo on the nose with those numbers. If you're comfortable with the selling price, looks like a solid deal, especially if there was no out of pocket at lease signing.
    Perfect - Thanks!

    The cap costs included a $505 payment that they are making for me as my last payment from my old lease. I didn't really care because I am getting a new car a month earlier at the same monthly payment. Last time I bought my Audi, I paid $505/m + $2500 down and a $1500 trade in. Terrible deal. Glad I found this site. Thanks for your help.
    Congrats on the new Audi!

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  • crendoncrendon Member Posts: 6
    edited July 2016
    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hello, I'm look for a Money Factor and residual for a 2017 A4, 2.0T Premium front wheel drive on a 36 month lease with 12k/15k miles. First offer sheet given has some pretty inflated numbers, MSRP of $43,705 with a $2,186 discount given comes to $41,519 with a money factor of 0.001 given for 36 months, 12k miles. Below is the offer sheet.



    Please let me know what a fair deal would be, looking to get under $500 monthly with $0 down. Which I think it is definitely doable.

    Thank!

    36/15 on FWD Premium is .00034 and 54%. Add 2% for 12K. Your MF is marked up for extra profit. Add 1% for AudiCare.

    Using your MSRP and "balance", I get $671/mo

    Questions for you:

    What state and tax rate is this?

    The "phantom footprints" and "tint" are adding $18/mo to the payment. Do you need them?

    Your discount from sticker is about 5% - might be a little bit of room to go lower.

    Reach out to another dealer .. the competition will get you a better price, and a better deal.

    Thanks for the Reply Michael! I am in Texas and the tax rate is 8.25% so that tax shown there threw me off. As for the phantom footprint and the tints, the dealer said that they do them for every car, which is just another way to charge you for something you don't need I'm my opinion. Do you have any idea of what incentives Audi has going on currently for the 2017 model?

    Thank you for the help, appreciate it!
    $750 loyalty incentive
    Thank you sir. As far as invoice pricing goes for Audis, is it the regular .92 x MSRP?
    We've always felt that 6% off the Audi MSRP was a good discount. If you can get more, more power to you!
    Thanks Michaell, I went back today to another dealership and got this offer below at the buy rate money factor of 0.00034. If i add 5 MSDs then it drops it down to 0.00005 MF and the monthly goes down to $568 from $583. Are those numbers correct? They applied a tax credit also.

    PS- don't mind my spanglish doodles on the sheet hahaha


  • crendoncrendon Member Posts: 6
    Hmmm I guess I can't edit my previous post anymore. I ran some numbers on a lease calculator that I put together and came up with $552 per month using the above numbers. Am I anywhere close to what it should be?

    Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    crendon said:

    Hmmm I guess I can't edit my previous post anymore. I ran some numbers on a lease calculator that I put together and came up with $552 per month using the above numbers. Am I anywhere close to what it should be?

    Thanks!

    Using the $43,205 MSRP, the $43,690 "balance due" as the adjusted cap cost, a 56% residual and .00034 MF, I get a payment of $565/mo, before tax.

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  • crendoncrendon Member Posts: 6
    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hmmm I guess I can't edit my previous post anymore. I ran some numbers on a lease calculator that I put together and came up with $552 per month using the above numbers. Am I anywhere close to what it should be?

    Thanks!

    Using the $43,205 MSRP, the $43,690 "balance due" as the adjusted cap cost, a 56% residual and .00034 MF, I get a payment of $565/mo, before tax.
    Thanks Michael, I had the residual set to 57%. I adjusted it to 56% and got $565. This website is an invaluable tool for negotiating a lease, I appreciate your help guys!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    crendon said:

    Michaell said:

    crendon said:

    Hmmm I guess I can't edit my previous post anymore. I ran some numbers on a lease calculator that I put together and came up with $552 per month using the above numbers. Am I anywhere close to what it should be?

    Thanks!

    Using the $43,205 MSRP, the $43,690 "balance due" as the adjusted cap cost, a 56% residual and .00034 MF, I get a payment of $565/mo, before tax.
    Thanks Michael, I had the residual set to 57%. I adjusted it to 56% and got $565. This website is an invaluable tool for negotiating a lease, I appreciate your help guys!
    57% is the residual for 36/10; I thought you were looking for 36/12

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  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    This is my first Audi buying experience. Wonder if the Audi A4 every has lower rates on a lease or higher residual values. As I think Michaell mentioned it seems BMW has a higher MF but also has a much higher residual. Has Audi ever had residuals in the 60's for 36/12 or so? Or even upper 50's. Just trying to learn. :smile:
  • dom8925dom8925 Member Posts: 30
    This is going to be my first lease and I was wondering how many miles I should get. On just driving round trip to work, I do bout 11,000 miles a year. So that made me think that I should go for 15,000 mile lease. Using the payment calculator on Audi's website, it comes out to be a total difference of 1033.56 between 12k and 15k for 36 months. If I went with the 12k miles I would need to have driven 4134.24 extra miles over the original 12k miles at 0.25 per mile to end up having to pay the diffence of 1033.56. If I think of it that way, I could drive for 16134.24 miles and end up paying what I would normally pay for 15k miles. Now if I know for a fact that I will not go over 16k miles, does it make sense for me to purchase the lease for 12k miles and end up with some possible savings?

    Also, is the cost per extra mile something that can me negotiated?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,651
    noles200 said:

    This is my first Audi buying experience. Wonder if the Audi A4 every has lower rates on a lease or higher residual values. As I think Michaell mentioned it seems BMW has a higher MF but also has a much higher residual. Has Audi ever had residuals in the 60's for 36/12 or so? Or even upper 50's. Just trying to learn. :smile:

    Sure.. we've seen residuals in the upper 50s for Audi, but not recently.

    Not sure how that information helps you, though. The past doesn't necessarily mean it will happen again, any time soon.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 206,651
    dom8925 said:

    This is going to be my first lease and I was wondering how many miles I should get. On just driving round trip to work, I do bout 11,000 miles a year. So that made me think that I should go for 15,000 mile lease. Using the payment calculator on Audi's website, it comes out to be a total difference of 1033.56 between 12k and 15k for 36 months. If I went with the 12k miles I would need to have driven 4134.24 extra miles over the original 12k miles at 0.25 per mile to end up having to pay the diffence of 1033.56. If I think of it that way, I could drive for 16134.24 miles and end up paying what I would normally pay for 15k miles. Now if I know for a fact that I will not go over 16k miles, does it make sense for me to purchase the lease for 12k miles and end up with some possible savings?

    Also, is the cost per extra mile something that can me negotiated?

    4134 miles is the total to break even? That's 13,378 miles/year, not 16,134 mi/yr.

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  • dom8925dom8925 Member Posts: 30
    kyfdx said:

    dom8925 said:

    This is going to be my first lease and I was wondering how many miles I should get. On just driving round trip to work, I do bout 11,000 miles a year. So that made me think that I should go for 15,000 mile lease. Using the payment calculator on Audi's website, it comes out to be a total difference of 1033.56 between 12k and 15k for 36 months. If I went with the 12k miles I would need to have driven 4134.24 extra miles over the original 12k miles at 0.25 per mile to end up having to pay the diffence of 1033.56. If I think of it that way, I could drive for 16134.24 miles and end up paying what I would normally pay for 15k miles. Now if I know for a fact that I will not go over 16k miles, does it make sense for me to purchase the lease for 12k miles and end up with some possible savings?

    Also, is the cost per extra mile something that can me negotiated?

    4134 miles is the total to break even? That's 13,378 miles/year, not 16,134 mi/yr.
    You are right. I see my math was incorrect. I was basing the 4134 extra miles for each year instead of dividing it by 3.
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    kyfdx said:

    noles200 said:

    This is my first Audi buying experience. Wonder if the Audi A4 every has lower rates on a lease or higher residual values. As I think Michaell mentioned it seems BMW has a higher MF but also has a much higher residual. Has Audi ever had residuals in the 60's for 36/12 or so? Or even upper 50's. Just trying to learn. :smile:

    Sure.. we've seen residuals in the upper 50s for Audi, but not recently.

    Not sure how that information helps you, though. The past doesn't necessarily mean it will happen again, any time soon.
    It does help thanks. I'm likely going to have to order a car or take one that is currently out on the water because I'm being very specific of what I want. With that, I am looking to the future. So it seems pretty stable meaning I'll likely take the car now instead of waiting.
  • currentkingcurrentking Member Posts: 1
    Hello, first time here and looking to lease an A4 for my wife. I was quoted on a premium A4 front wheel drive a factor of .00135 with a residual of 57%. is this correct? the sticker was $38,500 and he said he was taking $3500 off the price. what is a good price and money factor I should expect with tier 1 credit? I live in South Florida and our tax rate is 6.5%
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527

    Hello, first time here and looking to lease an A4 for my wife. I was quoted on a premium A4 front wheel drive a factor of .00135 with a residual of 57%. is this correct? the sticker was $38,500 and he said he was taking $3500 off the price. what is a good price and money factor I should expect with tier 1 credit? I live in South Florida and our tax rate is 6.5%

    The 36/10 numbers are .00034 and 57%, so the MF is being marked up on you.

    Using the base rates along with your prices, I get a payment of $407/mo with tax.

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  • jtse106jtse106 Member Posts: 19
    edited August 2016
    Hi, can you give me the August numbers for a 36 month/12k lease on a premium plus with quattro in California? Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 204,527
    jtse106 said:

    Hi, can you give me the August numbers for a 36 month/12k lease on a premium plus with quattro in California? Thanks!

    The current Audi numbers expire today; new numbers will be available later this week.

    .00079 and 58%

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  • jtse106jtse106 Member Posts: 19
    Managed to get this quote today from a local Audi dealer in southern California. What do you think? Looks decent on paper.

    Premium plus with quattro, sport and tech packages on a 0 down, 36/10 lease
    MSRP: 49880
    Adjusted cap cost: 44480
    Residual: 59%
    MF: 0.00099 (I know this is marked up a bit)

    Driveoff: 1849.65 (includes 795 acquisition, 406, DMV, CA tax, smog/tire fees)
    Monthly: 552.70 after CA tax

    According to dealer approximately 20 dollars more per month if on a 36/12 lease due to drop in residual to 58%.

    Thoughts?

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