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Hyundai Sonata 2006-2007

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    patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Some posts have been removed. We're through talking about other posters and I'm not going to conduct discussion management conversations here. Anyone and everyone is free to email me at any time.

    Thank you.
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    gandb777gandb777 Member Posts: 10
    Just to put an end to my discussion of "GLS Problems"
    It is not unreasonable to recognize a problem whether it occurs in one unique vehicle or in the entire line. A problem is still a problem.
    Additionally I did not ask anyone to agree with me, only to make others aware of a type of problem I was having and the reaction I got from my dealer and Hyundai.
    And quite frankly, it is my business if I own two Sonatas and if I decide to take my business elsewhere in the future.
    This getting personal about someones discussion item seems to indicate a rather small character, or perhaps a vested interest.
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    craigbrookscraigbrooks Member Posts: 420
    Gandb,
    I apologize.
    Now, what happened with the noisy engine 4?
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    patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    We're done with the personal comments - let's move on now.
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    gandb777gandb777 Member Posts: 10
    Nothing happened. I did in fact listen to another 2007 Hyundai Sonata GLS 4 cyl and it appears they all are a bit noisy.
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    craigbrookscraigbrooks Member Posts: 420
    That's kinda what I figured. I drove a couple of 4's and found the same thing. Sometimes mine is soooo quiet and other times.....well YOU know. I've read elsewhere the 4's are a tad noisy getting up to speed then you can't hear them run. Just like mine. What weight oil do you run? Hyundai filter?
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    autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    Personally, the only 4cyl engine I've ever found to be smooth sounding under moderate or hard acceleration is the engine in the 4cyl Accord.

    The Sonata 4cyl is smooth feeling, but has the typical raspy 4cyl sound under moderate/hard acceleration, which is the same thing I've experienced with all other 4cyl engines except the Accord.

    I've also noticed most 4cyl cars tend to be noisier when cold, compared with most V6/V8 engines. Any engineers in here who could explain this?
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    sheba6sheba6 Member Posts: 7
    Both me and my girlfriend own 4 cyl. Sonata's they are both 07 however I bought mine in August of 06 and she purchased hers in 07. Today, what I had later found out is the tire pressure indicator light, which is what looks like a horseshoe with the letters tpms next to it lite up on her car. Neither I nor her knew what this was, so we both looked through our manuals and found nothing concerning this symbol. I eventually found out by calling the dealership that it had to do with the tire pressure being off, he said even slightly off could trigger indicator (by the way all the tires looked fine, even put a gauge to them all came out fine, so I don't know what is going on there). My question is why no mention of it in my early manual or her later one. In fact, there were a few other minor things I could never find in my manual also, I was told the manual was not exactly comprerhensive, that seems to be an understatement. Anyway, as it turns out my girlfriend is due to take car in for routine maintenance today so hopefully we will get to the bottom of this, just wondering why even the later 2007 manuals do not list this feature.
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    Obviously Hyundai printed one manual for the 2007 year model, and did not plan to go thru the cost of printing a newer edition... They add some feature in the middle of the production year, which has been done before, but didn't bother to scrap the old books and print new ones... Why trash tons of paper.

    What they should have done, though, is add an addendum to the manual in the newer assembled cars, which would cost them pennies to produce.
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    "I've also noticed most 4cyl cars tend to be noisier when cold, compared with most V6/V8 engines."
    ---- Just this morning I was at my Honda dealership, asking them to check my wife's Accord V6 which is vibrating noticeably at idle speed (in D and N as well)... They checked it and claimed it's normal. I told the SM that my Sonata, which is a 4-banger, is idling smoother than the V6 Accord. His response was "Yes, I believe you"....
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    autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    Cold nights can cause tire pressure to be lower in the mornings. Colder air is denser, so it will exert lower pressure on its container (tire).

    The tire pressure sensor may be sensitive and cause the indicator light to illuminate from a slight drop in pressure. If your area is having cold nights, I wouldn't worry if your tire pressure is a little low in the mornings.
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    autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    I would agree that the 2.4L Theta engine in the Sonata is very smooth for a 4cyl. The only thing better about Honda 4cyl engines is they sound smoother under acceleration. The Accord V6 also sounds smoother than the 3.3L Lambda in the Sonata.

    As far as vibration is concerned, I'd say the Hyundai and Honda engines equally smooth.
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    ...In other words, this feature is a PITA... Unless you over-inflate your tires, you'll have an error message every morning, during the winter, at least....

    ... Or unless you can set it up to give you a warning ONLY when the pressure goes under a certain level which YOU tell it to. Which is not the case here, probably...
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    As far as vibration is concerned, I'd say the Hyundai and Honda engines equally smooth.
    --- Well, reading what V6 Sonata owners are claiming, their car is so smooth at idle speed, some get the impression their engine died while waiting at a stop light... If that's the case, then, no, the Accord's V6 is significantly more vibrating than the Sonata's. Again, my I-4 is smoother idling than my wife's V6 Accord. My hand on the wheel, I can feel the difference easily.
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    autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    Ahh, well I've driven a Sonata V6 but have only ridden as a passenger in a couple Honda V6's, so that could be why I didn't notice vibrations in the Hondas. When I drove the Sonata V6, it was incredibly smooth. You're right, at idle I had to look at the tach to make sure the engine was running. It reminded me of a Lexus. Blew me away.
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    jprybajpryba Member Posts: 201
    I have an 06 Sonata (4 cylinder, automatic) with a little over 34K miles on it. There are 3 issues I'm having with it that my local dealer will be looking at early next week.

    1) occasional binding/rubbing noise in steering wheel

    This mainly occurs when the vehicle is first driven, and can be heard (and sometimes felt through the steering wheel and even the gas or brake pedal) while rapidly turning the wheel during low speed maneuvers (like while backing out of a parking space). It's not a constant noise/feeling, but just happens during certain parts of the steering process. I hope it's minor and is just something in the system that needs to be lubricated.

    2) clicking noise from the shifter

    Each time I come to a full stop or press the brake pedal when the car is in park, there is a clicking noise coming from the shifter. I'm guessing there's some sort of solenoid that needs to be replaced, and it's probably related to the shift interlock system.

    3) rattling noise from bottom of passenger seat (when unoccupied)

    When going over certain types of bumps, I can hear a rattling noise coming from the bottom of the passenger side front seat. It's definitely not coming from the seat belt buckle or from the headrest. I noticed I could make it go away for the most part by sticking my hand in between the seat cushion and the center console. I ended up stuffing a small hand towel in this area for now, and hope the dealer will be able to take the seat apart and figure out what's making all this racket!

    As for my 3 problems, the first started in the last week or so when we started to get colder weather (30 and below). The others have been around for about a month or so, and don't seem to be weather-related.

    Anyone else have these issues at all, then?

    I'll make sure to post an update after I've visited my dealer.
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    2 thoughts:

    A. "1) occasional binding/rubbing noise in steering wheel" --- are you sure it's not the ABS self-check, which is a "click" that shows up at the first 5-8 mph of your morning drive. I learned over the years that this "click" can sound/feel different every day, very inconsistent in nature and in volume, sometimes more pronounced, sometimes hardly felt. Bottom line, the ABS self check is normal, it's good, it's something you want your car to perform.

    B. Dealers are mostly NOT too good at cooperating with customers when it comes to noises, rattles, clicking and all sorts of SUBTLE things which are usually VERY time consuming to find their sources, and repair. So don't be surprised if your dealer will tell you "I don't hear it" or "could not duplicate it" or "all is normal" or "all within specs"....

    ....Just my 2 cents.
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    autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    You'll probably be able to get issue #2 fixed, unless they find something obvious, such as evidence of a beverage spill inside the shifter mechanism. Some dealers would even keep that "off the record" and just fix it under warranty to keep you happy.

    They might dismiss issue #1 as normal, since it only happens after cold starts. It's actually common for some mechanical parts to not feel or sound 100% smooth in operation before they are "warmed up."

    Depending on the dealership, you may be able to get the seat rattle fixed. In that side of the seat, where there are no seat position adjustment levers, there actually shouldn't be any small parts behind the upholstery. Since you are able to stop the sound by putting pressure on that area, or having someone sit in the seat, it is most likely just a loose bolt which could be tightened without too much work.

    Good luck with everything.
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    elennonelennon Member Posts: 3
    i have a 2007 Sonata with 10200 miles, a couple a months ago, while at a red light my engine just cut off. Have anyone experience this, Hyudai could not find any codes. i notice ford is recalling over 1 million cars for a similiar reason.
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    autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    If it only happened once, you probably don't need to worry about it. If it happens again, though, you should definitely have your dealer check the car out thoroughly to find the cause.

    I've done lots of research on the Sonata, and have not seen this problem reported by others, so it's very unlikely there will ever be a recall for it.
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    I had it happened too, and only once, months ago when at a stop light I turned off the A/C. I know some other Sonata owners have reported the same silmilar thing. Since cars are all run by computers these days, we can only regard it as a glitch... If something IS wrong, it WOULD happen again and again... Not to worry.
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    jprybajpryba Member Posts: 201
    Nope, it's not the ABS self check. I'm fully aware of what that is and how it feels.

    I can hear the binding/rubbing noise when rapidly turning the wheel even after driving the car for a while. It's definitely not normal behavior, as I never experienced this issue in the last two winters I drove the car.

    The dealer I go to is pretty good about diagnosing noises like this. For example, I was hearing a louder-than-usual click noise coming from the driver side front door after rolling up the window. (The click in question is probably related to the auto-up feature.) They replaced a part (I can't remember exactly what it was -- I think it was the power window switches) and the noise went down to the more reasonable "normal" level.
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    jprybajpryba Member Posts: 201
    I have an update on the 3 issues I reported earlier. As for the click noise when braking, the dealer ordered a transmission-related solenoid. For the seat noise, they will be ordering a new seat track. They couldn't duplicate the steering wheel issue, but they did say to let them know if it comes back or gets worse. As long as the steering system looked OK to them otherwise, I'm not too worried about it. I'm going to guess it's just a cold piece of plastic or whatever else in the steering wheel rubbing against something else due to cold weather conditions.
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    jal012773jal012773 Member Posts: 63
    My steering wheel started making a noise like wires binding or rubbing when turning the wheel, mostly noticeble at low speeds. Dealer ended up replacing the clock spring in the steering wheel, which quieted it down quite a bit, but didn't make it go away. While replacing my dash pad for another issue, they scuffed the steering wheel and had to order a new one. Since the new wheel was put on, the sound is gone. Hope this helps.
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    jprybajpryba Member Posts: 201
    Did this noise occur all the time or only on occasion? Was it mainly when the vehicle hadn't been driven for a little while (15 minutes or longer) and the outside temp was freezing or below?

    I'll ask the dealer about this particular part when I go to pick up my car tonight.
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    jal012773jal012773 Member Posts: 63
    Mine started late last winter or early spring. It occurred all the time at low speeds no matter the weather or temperature.
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    chief15chief15 Member Posts: 15
    I have been having the same problem since September with a scratching noise when I turn my steering wheel (2006 Sonata).

    At first, they replaced the clock spring and said that the noise was gone. As soon as I drove off the dealers lot the noise was still there.

    Next, they tore it down and said that it was the steering angle sensor. Ordered the part and installed it when part came in. Tested vehicle and said problem was fixed. As soon as I drove off the problem was still there.

    Next, they ordered the whole steering column due to a faulty bearing which they said could not be replaced by itself. (cost: $2,000 + labor luckily all under warranty).

    When the part came in they replaced the whole steering wheel assembly and said that the problem was finally fixed. Drove off the lot and guess what - the problem is still there.

    I have an appointment tomorrow with the service manager. I'll mention replacing the steering wheel to him.,

    FYI: I'm in Hawaii where it would be nice to find a mechanic - (I mean specialist I think they call themselves now) that knows what he/she is doing.
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    sonotaownersonotaowner Member Posts: 18
    I have a 2007 GLS Sonata. Has 6,500+ klms on it & just a couple of days ago, the display "Airbag" came on. It's been on consistenly since.

    Anyone have any idea why this is? I'll be taking into Dealer on Monday.

    Thanks, :confuse:
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    rick2456rick2456 Member Posts: 320
    That is the idiot light that tells you that your airbag system is malfunctioning.
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    muminmumin Member Posts: 13
    For 2006 they had a fix for it( seat movement caused air bag light to come up, maybe it's the same thing?) It took 15 min to get it fixed.
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    jprybajpryba Member Posts: 201
    I picked up my Sonata from the dealership on Friday and noticed a slight rattle coming from the front passenger seat on my way home. (They had just replaced the seat track that day because it was starting to come loose in one corner.) Being the rattle hunter I am, I figured out that some of the plastic clips holding the cushion down were loose. The dealer forgot to put them back in place.

    I also discovered during my rattle hunt that the metal "legs" on the headrest can also clang against the headrest holder, but it's not something you would generally hear while driving over most bumps. However, if you ever do get an annoying seat rattle, take the headrest off first and then drive around to see if the rattle is still present.

    I'm still feeling some slight resistance in the steering wheel when turning it rapidly in certain driving conditions when it's cold out. (It's kind like a thump sort of noise/feeling and lasts only for a fraction of a second.) It also happens even after driving the car for a while. I'll have to give the dealer another call about this and see what they can do. I think the cold weather has caused something in the system to rub against something else, and I can feel this resistance in the pedals as well. At least the dealership has ruled out any obvious causes, so I doubt the steering system is going to snap in half while I'm driving!

    These issues are annoying, but I still like my Sonata! I'm just a bit disappointed in Hyundai right now considering all the bragging they did about taking 3 or 4 years to design the new Sonata, making sure they got everything right. For example, from http://www.forbes.com/business/global/2005/0425/024_2.html --

    "Drive tests revealed a rattle coming from the Sonata's front doors. It took two months to fix: Engineers replaced the plastic strip at the bottom of the door with a more rubbery polymer at a cost of 40 cents more per car. Had the same problem occurred five years ago, "we'd probably leave it," says Don Hyung Jo, manager of the Asan factory quality control department."

    I guess they just ignored the rattling in the seats. Then again, maybe they had quality control engineers sitting in them while driving around, not realizing their weight kept the rattle from occurring to begin with ;)
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    aneeshaneesh Member Posts: 43
    Does anyone have the part # for a Bosch Cabin Air Filter on a 2006 Sonata?
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    jprybajpryba Member Posts: 201
    Grr... I'm pretty sure I know where the rubbing sound I'm hearing in my steering wheel is coming from. It seems to be actually be coming from where the steering system connects to a rubber piece in the floorboard. No wonder why I can occasionally feel a vibration in the pedals, as this is right by them! I'll probably just drive to the dealership on Saturday morning and ask them if they can quickly lubricate that area. I could try it myself with WD-40, but this may not be the proper lubricant or grease to use. Also, the dealer may have to order a new part anyway, but I'm hoping it's a quick fix.

    To be continued... again... :)
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    xebraxebra Member Posts: 9
    2) clicking noise from the shifter

    For me the dealer replaced the shifter. It was fixed under the warranty. 2007-Sonata-I4-5000K miles
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    wanna_azzywanna_azzy Member Posts: 41
    WOW!!! 5 million miles on an 07!! Just kidding ;) Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.
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    sundazedsundazed Member Posts: 15
    A friend of mine had the tire pressure light go on in his Lexus and found all of his tires to be at the right pressure. Checked with the dealer and was asked if he had checked the air pressure in his spare tire. He hadn't and it was low.
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    Check this, apparently there is a TSB that can solve this annoying tranny misbehavior....

    http://jerrystout.us/sonata/tsb/automatic%20transaxle%20control%20module%20relea- rn.pdf
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    dante3dante3 Member Posts: 1
    ANEESH: I OWN A 2006 SONATA GLS AND I HAVE HAD TROUBLE WITH THE ABS AND ESC LIGHTS. MY CAR HAS ABOUT 65000 MILES AND I HAVE HAD THE BRAKE SWITCH REPLACED ABOUT 4 TIMES. THE MORE YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR THE MORE FREQUENT THE LIGHT WILL COME ON I STARTED WITH THE LIGHT PROBLEM ABOUT ONCE A MONTH AND THEN IT WAS ON ALMOST EVERYDAY.I HAD THE BRAKE SWITCH BURN AND WAS STRANDED WITH THE VEHICLE. I HAVE VISITED THE DEALERSHIP ABOUT 8 TIMES AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
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    duke16duke16 Member Posts: 36
    A while back I posted that my dealer didn't have the 5W20 oil that is supposed to be used with the SonataV6 engine.Now I found out why.Hyundai dealers and alot of other make dealers are using re-refined oil from distributors,and only have one grade availble.Isn't that nice,if you are in the LAS VEGAS,NV area don't go to a Hyundai dealer for an oil change unless you want the wrong oil put in yor car.What a rip-off!
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    vabearvabear Member Posts: 18
    5W20 is recommended (not mandatory) but don't get wrapped around the axle on this issue, take a look a viscosity index and temperature chart before choosing a certain oil weight, I use a 5W30 synthetic in my 2007 limited V6. And no, this does not invalidate the warranty.
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    aneeshaneesh Member Posts: 43
    Thanks for your help! I haven't been to a dealer yet (the dealers around my neighborhood are terrible)...but I am thinking of taking it some time soon.
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    duke16duke16 Member Posts: 36
    My complaint with Hyundai dealers is that they use re-cycled oil,without telling their customers.This is not right.I learned this from a former Hyundai dealer mechanic,who is more honest than the dealer.I now am going to him for all non warranty work since he uses the proper grade oil
    in cans not bulk.He also uses genuine Hyundai filters and parts.
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    lmaxicklmaxick Member Posts: 46
    I hate to burst anybodys bubble. but the simple fact of the matter is this: The Sonata is a very decent car especially for the money!!!!! Howevere, I have yet to find a dealer who knows. or cares fopr that matter, anything about the vehicle. I cannot understand how the Hyundai Compnay puts up with this worst network of dealers I have ever seen in all my years of car buying. It is a derplorable situations and really needs to be addressed. Any comments anyone would like to make directly to me is fine. Lmaxick@aol.com
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    craigbrookscraigbrooks Member Posts: 420
    I think most of duke's anger is directed to the fact his dealer uses "re-refined" oil. This is the future of our world like it or not. A lot of communities use filtered/purified/whatever else they do to graywater to make it drinkable again...why not oil? Heck, we drink water from the Missouri river....filtered/purified/whatever they do to it. Have for years.

    I'm ok with re-refined oil as long as it meets industry standards.

    Ooops response to wrong post but you get the jist......sorry.
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    targettuningtargettuning Member Posts: 1,371
    I'm not entirely convinced that despite being bought in 55 gallon drums the oil used in dealerships is "re-refined". In fact I rather doubt it. It seems a strange thing that dealers would use other than virgin motor oil to service their customers vehicles...Hyundai (and other manufacturers also) would surely frown on that. I think re-refined oil must be labeled as such. Many years ago at the "cheapo-harry" discount stores one was able to buy re-refined oil in quart size cans and it was noted on the can. I have not seen this in years. Sooooo I have to say NOPE I don't think that is true. Maybe it is the action of a specific dealer???
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    drdonrsdrdonrs Member Posts: 164
    You shouldn't make such generalizations. My dealer has a service department that is as good as any "red carpet" dealership I have dealt with, such as Acura. I have a Service Manager and Service Advisor who care and it reflects in the treatment that I receive. It has made my purchasing and owning an 06 Sonata LXV6 and Azera Limited an absolute pleasure. There are others who also have the same experience. For the record the dealer is Hyundai of Westchester in Yonkers, NY and no I don't get any re-numeration for this statement other than being a most satisfied customer. :)
    Don
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    bobadbobad Member Posts: 1,587
    I have yet to find a dealer who knows. or cares fopr that matter, anything about the vehicle. I cannot understand how the Hyundai Compnay puts up with this worst network of dealers I have ever seen in all my years of car buying.

    I've only tried 1 Hyundai dealer so far, but they're great. They took care of 2 major TSB's on my early 06 on the same day, and were very prompt and professional. Just how many dealers have you tried?
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    mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    There are good dealers and there are bad ones. Has nothing to do with Hyundai. My Hyundai dealership's service is useless, so I found another dealership, 45 minutes away that easily solved some problems my car had and is more attentive. I know a Honda dealer in my area who I will never trust with my wife's Accord.
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    duke16duke16 Member Posts: 36
    Whether you believe it or not isn't important,I know its TRUE,And have proof.You must be in MO.
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    carinfo4mecarinfo4me Member Posts: 3
    Hi. I bought the 2006 Hyundai Sonata new in april 2006. I love it, but you are right! The dealership we bought from was deplorable! I had all kinds of issues, not with the car, but the maintenance dept that had to replace defective 6 CD changer and the whole carpet because of oil stains I found, and a few other things damaged when they were replacing the carpet. Amazing. I refuse to go there for any maintenance- I use my local independent repair shop. But the car itself is wonderful. I got the top of the line package and it was so much cheaper than Honda or Toyota, which I have bought before also. Awesome power and smooth riding. No problems so far. Pat
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