Honda Odyssey 2005+

indy93

For the record the list price on the 05Ody Touring R/N is 38,295,00 + 515.00 (destination) = 38,810.00 compared with 38,870.00 for the Sienna XLE Ltd. #6 HO. Suggest you check your logic and you own bias.

indy93

Doc,
I ran the numbers the same as you..seems right to me. it's a deal.

ezucker

I saw an '05 Odyssey in Slate Green Metallic in San Diego last weekend. If there was any green there, I sure didn't see it. The dealer was going on and on about how cool the metallic look was -- sparkling bits of metal, I guess -- but I thought the color was ugly. Obviously, somebody will like it since color is a very subjective subject.

I was also pretty disappointed with the Redrock Pearl. I didn't see it on an Odyssey but I did on another new Honda. I had hoped for a brighter red like my old Celica convertible, but I guess Honda figured that was too flashy for a minivan.

-- EVAN

graystrickland

Q. - Does the audio system have auxiliary ports anywhere that would accomodate an Apple iPod, or other MP3 player?

I've ordered an '05 XLS w/ RES and NAV, so I suppose I'm committed either way, but with 25gb on my iPod, I hate traveling without my music collection.

graystrickland

Does the navigation system have its own dvd drive, or is it shared with the entertainment system? The write-ups on the '05 Odyssey describe the navigation system as "dvd based."

If anyone knows the answer, please post here and I will cross-post your answer to the related (but not very active) thread here: graystrickland "Honda Odyssey GPS navigation system" Sep 23, 2004 11:43am

samnoe

"A Sienna will get you a lot more??? How can 25 horse power less and 15lb less torque is considered "more"???

Given that the Odyssey Touring's curb weight is about 550 Lbs. more than Sienna Limited; and given that Sienna has 242 lb.-ft. @ 3,600 rpm and odyssey has 250 lb.-ft. @ 5,000 rpm, it could be considered "more" - or at least "equal".

stickguy

My BIL has a slate green '04. I think it is a very nice color, and is one of the 2 my wife is considering on an '05 (dark blue being the other). I also really like Redrock on the 'ody, but my wife doesn't want red.

The dark speckled metalics look different depending on the light, etc. They tend to have a lot of visual interest due to the speckles in it.

But, that's why the offer 10 colors. Something for everyone.

scienceman

It appears from a video on the Honda website that at least the Touring model has inputs for audio right beside the 115V AC outlet (in the third row). Does anyone know if the EXL-RES has the inputs also?

mikeo1

Is VCM worth the cost to upgrade?
How many miles per gallon do you save?

stickguy

The EPA ratings are about 10 % higher (28 vs. 25 highway). But, it will be real interesting to see if real world results are better or worse.

IMO, it is not worth the cost differential to go to a higher trim line just to get VCM, but it is a nice bonus if you were going EX-L or touring anyway.

anonymousposts

If you want to get technical the MSRP in my area (southeast) for a 2005 XLE with package #6 is $40,154 compared to $38,800 for the Ody Touring.

onboost91

I'm curious to see if indeed some of the predictions regarding the prices coming off of MSRP in a less than expected time frame are going to pan out. I have 3 dealers in my immediate area and between them they already have 15 2005's to choose from (one has 8!). They even have a handful of 2004's left (which are very tempting).

It should be an interesting couple of months.

65times

YES, I own an 05 EXL-RES and the thrid row has three sperate jacks for phones and three jacks for AUX, all have thier own volume controls.

65times

If this is the case come see my dealer in VA where we walked out on 9/22 with our EXL-RES in silver pearl at MSRP! We ordered in July and they came through on every item they committed to. You folks on the west coast have is bad although I do hear the NJ is doing the same thing. Good luck to all of you!

gjay1170

At my dealer in NJ, there is no markup. My van is due to come in October 10-15, and we're paying MSRP. My husband is not to happy about paying the destination, and he thinks he can bring down the price. Yeah, right! We're just lucky not to pay over MSRP.

1997montez34

I drove a 2005 Ody EXL-RES on 9/22. Great vehicle. But I wish they offered a EX-FAMILY package; an EX with cloth, DVD RES, power liftgate. These are the features that matter most to a value-conscious family IMHO, or at least my family. Keep teh sunroof, PAX system, leather, etc. Also, 2 dislikes: no 3rd row window venting and no hooks in front for a trash bag. Overall a winner, but too much money and not equipped the way I like. Might still buy one though once things cool off.

ezucker

I don't have specific verified information, but I am almost certain that there would have to be separate DVD drives for the Navigator and the RES.

I have a 2000 Odyssey with a factory Navigator and after-market VHS RES. The Navigator uses a DVD player under the front passenger seat, and the RES uses a VCR under one of the second row seats.

The Navigator clearly requires its own DVD, and so there is no way it could be shared with the RES unless there was a single DVD player that could play two different DVDs simultaneously, which strikes me as highly unlikely.

-- EVAN

Kirstie_H

A reporter is hoping to talk with folks who have ordered the new Honda Odyssey or have already taken delivery. Please send your relevant comments to jfallon@edmunds.com by Friday, October 1, 2004.
Thanks!

hifisoftware

I completely agree "EX-FAMILY package; an EX with cloth, DVD RES, power liftgate" would be a great package. Honda probably knows it too and also knows that they will make more money by selling Touring. I also do not care for leather, new tires or new engine. But If I want liftgate and DVD RES, then I gotta buy top of the line... I think that Toyota packaging is more flexible (but a bit overwhelming too). If you compare cars with futures that you actually need Toyota usually would be cheaper. It probably would be cheaper in any case considering that dealers are willing to deal (unlike Honda). Here in Los Angeles area MSRP for Honda is the norm. Stickers sometimes even show markup, but that probably for customers who is looking for a way to waste money, you could always get what you want at MSRP (it's already rather high).

rorr

"If you want to get technical the MSRP in my area (southeast) for a 2005 XLE with package #6 is $40,154 compared to $38,800 for the Ody Touring."

MSRP for a 2005 Sienna XLE with package #6 is $34,540, NOT $40,154.

At first I though you meant to type XLE Ltd w/#6, except that there is no such thing.

Where in the heck did you find that $40,154 number???

slam8

Hello,

What is the fair price for Honda Ody.05? I am looking to buy soon. I live in TX 75075 area code.
Please help!

steve290

2 Boston dealers selling at sticker. I had a down payment on a Touring Ody. without DVD or NAV. I like the idea of PAX system, but have summer home in ME, 150 miles away. What if I get a flat? Do I have to take off work Monday to get tire repaired at a Honda dealer? I think there is 1 dealer in ME. Proprietary nature of system scares me. I now settled on a EX-L and decided to add DVD since not buying the Touring says me quite a bit of money. I am now considering the NAV. Do you get a rear back-up camera with NAV system? $2200 extra on EX-L seems like a lot of money. What could I expect to get back for NAV system when I sell in 3 years? Does anything else come with NAV to justify purchase. EX-L with DVD and NAV still cheaper than Touring.

stickguy

I don't know %s, but traditionally a Nav system (especially on a mainstream family car like an Ody) has a very low return on the purchases price. You probably will get little to no more in 3 years with the nav vs. without.

If you really want to know, check with the dealer to see what it would residualize (is that a word??) at on a lease.

eyeblind

The 2005 Quest S you get cloth seats, standard power liftgate, standard power right slider, standard power quarter-rear windows. Add the RES DVD and MSRP is $26,960.00. Nissan has claimed to resolve the 04 quality issues. You might just take a look.

anonymousposts

I live in the Atlanta area so the pricing may be different here. I did make an error by typing XLE. I priced a Sienna LTD with Limited package #6 at $40,154. A Sienna XLE with the highest trim package (forgot the exact package #) is $38,900.

steve290

I have read posts that PAX repairs must be done by Honda dealer. Dealer told my wife that repairs can be done by either Honda or Michelin dealers. This would be better because there are many more Michelin dealers. Would Michelin dealers need special tools or other things that small tire dealers would not stock forcing you to the Honda dealer?

ggs

I will also second stickguy's thoughts, the VCM will save a whopping 1MPG City and up to 3MPG Hwy. IMO not enough of a savings to justify the cost, however it is definitely a bonus if you were already planning to get the EX-L or higher trim.

stickguy

I'm looking at the EX-L for the moonroof and heated seats. You know, the important stuff.

ggs

"VCM is just a natural extension of VTEC to simply leave all valves closed, compare to what the VTEC currently is doing: leaving 50% of the valves closed at low RPM, that's why iVTEC, and shouldn't cost more than $100."

VCM technology is more than just valves opening and closing--it involves a series of processors and monitoring systems that control when these valves are supposed to perform in the Economy mode. I seriously doubt this system costs just $100.

majordad

The EX-Family concept is right on target. In addition to the power liftgate and DVD, I think the sunroof would be a good option. If anyone's noticed Honda was selling '04 ODs with a package similar this year. It was an EX with cloth and DVD. And the price was pretty decent. I believe one internet quote I received was around $24,500.
  
For those that can wait the power liftgate will probably filter to the EX line next year.

ggs

In Hawaii, the $500 off MSRP is the standard discount for most makes/models.

ggs

I agree. Who paid for the vehicle and who drives it every day? Ultimately the car is yours, not your child's. Of course, if you want a Lexus RX330, I wouldn't blame you--it's a beautiful car.

laroy76

The RES/ NAVI combinations offered in the EX-L and Touring Odyssey for 2005 have their own "drives". The NAVI is a DVD-ROM based drive located under the front passenger seat and the DVD player is in the lower part of the front center console. The DVD ROM for the NAVI system relies on only one disc, so you don't have to change disc's as you move from region to region. This one disc holds the over 7 million points of interest and map info. The van also has a seperate CD changer in the upper part of the center dash.

amykkbc

Everyone knows that all Toyotas at MSRP are over priced, 2-3k factory rebates are common to toyota. on top of that, all Sienna are being discounted to almost at invoice.
Initial quality and long term reliability, the toyota is almost alway one hair a head of honda. being an all honda person, I really hope honda can beat toyota, but it never happen.

More features?
- power opening rear quarter windows
- 6-way power passenger seat
- 10 total speakers
- third row side sunshades
- cassette player
want more? go figure yourself, i'm not paid for.

alexmish

Are you sure about NAVI DVD being under the front passenger's seat ? This is where they've put the subwoofer now (in the Touring)... I've looked under it today, and surely enough the subwoofer was there and was taken most of the space... Also, it would not be a good idea to put a DVD disk reader next to a subwoofer...

Could you please double-check ? Also, can you check whether the coverage includes Canada as well.

alexmish

After 4 years owning 01 ODY EX with NAV, I am getting back approx $800 of the original $2000 I paid for it. It was worth every penny !

ac00lra

Everyone knows that all Toyotas at MSRP are over priced, 2-3k factory rebates are common to toyota. on top of that, all Sienna are being discounted to almost at invoice.
Initial quality and long term reliability, the toyota is almost alway one hair a head of honda. being an all honda person, I really hope honda can beat toyota, but it never happen.

More features?
- power opening rear quarter windows
- 6-way power passenger seat
- 10 total speakers
- third row side sunshades
- cassette player
want more? go figure yourself, i'm not paid for.


A cassette player? Now that's really advanced and important for Toyota to include. :-) Better reliability than Honda??? Where do you get those stats? I have a Honda (actually an Integra) that has 345k miles on it. And I still drive it to work with my 35 miles one-way commute everyday. It has original engine and transmission and almost everything else except those routine replacements such as tires, timing belts, etc. However I don't know anyone first hand with a Toyota that ever passed 250k miles.

So Toyota has better reliability? I just don't see it.

stever

Please take the comparisons to the Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna - 2005+ models discussion. Thanks,

Steve, Host

indy93

Guess that's one reason to live in SoCal.

anonymousposts

You may pay $1300 less for your Siennas but you are going to pay $300,000 more for your house.

ezucker

Samy,

Thanks for the referral to Penske Honda in Ontario. They confirmed that they are selling at MSRP and do not add on any mandatory accessories. I gave them a refundable $500 deposit for a Touring with navigator and RES.

The salesman suggested that if I don't intend to trade in my 2000 Odyssey, then when they get my car in I should consider flying into Ontario airport, which is 3 miles from the dealership. He said he would pick me up there. Ontario is about a 90-minute drive from my house.

They said they have the third largest Honda volume in southern California and that Honda allocates 2005 Odysseys based upon the number of 2004 Odysseys a dealer sold. They said they purposely moved out their entire 2004 Odyssey inventory so that they would get as many 2005 Odysseys as possible.

I'm debating between getting silver, blue or Redrock exterior. They said a silver one was built yesterday and that it takes them about 10 days to receive it, and so I might be driving my new Odyssey 9 days from now. However, I'm not holding my breath.

-- EVAN

ric345

I'm in the chicago area drove the EXL, very nice. Essentially drives like a car. Goergoues interior and drives much better than the Sienna.

Interested in getting the EXL with Navi and RES but no one seems to have one in white, one dealer claims he can special order a white one but another dealer told me they just get what they get based on prior sales in the area.

Anyone know the real scoop on if dealers really can ask the factory for a specific trim level and color?

bethean

I'm not sure you made an error, though I understand Slam8's confusion. Consumer Reports says there's no Sienna XLE Limited Pkg. #6 -- but I got a quote from a So Cal internet Toyota dealer that read thus:

HO Limited Pkg #6 XLE Limited AWD
Includes Rear DVD Entertainment System & Navigation System
Hitch, Towing Receiver
RF Spoiler, Rear
Retail Price: $41,970
"Special" Internet Price $40,338

I called Consumer Reports to figure out how to match it to their invoice/wholesale print-out and the guy said that Toyota sometimes switches their coding around.

Now, will someone knowledgeable please tell me how superior, if at all, the Sienna's AWD will be to the Oddy's FWD for driving in mountain/snow country? Thank you.

ezucker

>>At first I though you meant to type XLE Ltd w/#6, except that there is no such thing.

There certainly is a XLE Ltd w/#6 for the 2004 Sienna. (I don't know about the 2005 because toyota.com still shows the 2004.) #6 is the top-of-the-line option package for the top-of-the-line Sienna model. It includes:

XLE Limited Package #6 - includes removable center console, rear-seat DVD entertainment system with rear-seat audio, two wireless headphones, two 115V outlets and JBL Synthesis AM/FM Cassette with single-disc in-dash CD player, touch-screen DVD navigation system with backup camera, two in-glass antennas with FM diversity reception and 10 speakers.

-- EVAN

ggs

Toyota packages can vary by region. There are options listed on Toyota's main site that are not available here in Hawaii (in fact, Toyota refers it's Hawaii customers to a different website for pricing and packages).

ezucker

I just compared the wholesale (trade-in) Kelly Blue Back value of my 2000 Odyssey with and without a navigator. The difference was $450. I paid about $2,000 for my factory navigator when I bought the car new.

That having been said, I didn't buy the navigator in order to get my money back when I sell the car. I bought it because I really like having the navigator, and I don't care how much it adds or doesn't ad to the resale value of the car.

-- EVAN

kogaseiichi

For cylinder deactivation operation, the synchronizing piston moves to isolate the valve-lift rocker arms from the deactivated cylinders' rocker arms. The deactivated cylinder rocker arms are operated by zero-lift cams that deactivate the cylinders by closing the intake and exhaust valves.

iliadna

Would you mind saying which dealer? Moving to D.C. area in December ...

jshram

Bought an '05 last night. It drives vastly superior to the '04, if you can imagine that. It feels more like my '95 SAAB 900SE on the road. Very tight and firm, more solid like a sports car than a van. I thought the '04 was firm feeling until I drove the '05. Plus the power is noticably different (more) than the '04 not to mention the increadible new creature comforts and the arm long list of added safety features.

This van knocks the socks off the Toyota in my view. My wife was convinced we were going to leave the dealership and hunt for a Sienna, but when we side-by-side compared an '04 EX to an '05 EX, we were sold. It's in the driveway. I can't believe it, in fact, it is 4:AM and I can't sleep.

John

65times

Hi Evan, I just bought a EXL-RES in Silver Pearl. The color is quite nice it truly looks like a pearl when the sun hits it, I have had numurous compliments on the color in the 4 days that I have owened it. Good luck regarldess of your color choice you will enjoy this van!