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Would the manually locked door unlock itself by luck?
and 5 days ago,The Nav.screen flashed with the warning:CHECK TIRE PRESSURES;FLAT TIRE."
Then when i looked up for the tire pressures on the Navi.it showed all the 4 tires with only one reading 24 and the rest 33.all this info.without getting out of the car.then,I got out and looked at the driver's siide rear tire which is what the Navi.had said,it did not look flat at all.The car drove fine for a good 35 miles.Since the local tire guys(SEARS/GOOD YEAR)it appeared are not well equipped ,i called the dealer,who came to my place 60 miles away from the dealership and drove the car to the dealer to get it fixed.
If the Honda Odyssey is the same Pax system as that of the Infiniti- I thought it was great!
Iam by the way planning to get a Touring-Odyssey-today ?at MSRP price??
It probably means Honda doesn't have enough capacity to supply fleet buyers. Captive buyers mean easy profits.
Steve, Host
It probably means Honda doesn't have enough capacity to supply fleet buyers. Captive buyers mean easy profits."
It alos means Honda has a better resale value than Toyota.
Nonetheless, I do like to have the power tail gate, adjustable pedals, auto-on headlights, fog lights, auto-dim rearview mirror, rear auto climate control and 115V outlet. I don't care about the other extra features and really don't like the PAX, which is THE deal breaker if I don't buy the Touring.
Are the parking sensors redundant if you have the rearview camera?
Saw the EXL and were sold on that.
Haven't actually seen backup camera but suspect its good enough in place of the sensors. The 115v outlet is in the back, great for the kids, but doesn't do much good for the first 2 rows. The rear climate control isn't that big a deal since it's already at least 2 zones in EXL up front at least manual control of fan speed in rear zone from the fornt controls. Figured the windows already tinted so auto dimming isn't that big a deal (love it on my other car tough).
If you're willing to pay the extra $4200 for touring and don't like pax then wow you got money to burn!
AWD is much better than FWD in Rain or Snow. FWD is much better than RWD in Rain and snow.
For me I am shocked Honda did not include this as an option, especially since they are the so called "Safety Company". Can anyone explain how they make that claim and forget important features like AWD for the Odyssey and side curtain airbags on the Honda Pilot?
AWD on the Sienna is automatic, it detects slippage and adjusts automatically.
I for one went from RWD to FWD to AWD.
All my vehicles will soon have AWD and side Air Curtains. All you need is one time, for a bad storm, rain or snow, to realize how important these features are!!
I would have to live in a VERY snowy area to ever consider AWD.
The driver is what makes the biggest difference.
You're kidding right. AWD is superior to FWD, end of story!! If you decide it's not important feature for you, hey that's for you. But saying it’s a big stretch in lacking safety, I think you are the one stretching here.
AWD in rain and snow is far superior, own one and you will understand why Subaru puts them on every vehicle. NO SUBARU VEHICLE HAS JUST FWD-THEY DEEMED IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH! So yes it's a safety feature, and should be an option for a so called safety company. Please don’t say its not a safety feature, that’s like saying Front Air Bags are good enough, side air bags aren’t needed, and they are not a safety feature.
ALSO THE ODYSSEY WITH 255 HORSEPOWER HAS TORQUE STEER, WHICH WOULD BE AVOIDED WITH GUESS WHAT; AWD!!!
caviller "AWD vs FWD with VSC + Traction Control" May 13, 2003 12:19am
Steve, Host
I totally agree that smart drivers are the most important thing on the road, but it doesn't matter when three wheels are caught in the snowbank and an incline and the only the 4th wheel is getting any traction.
Since moving to California/SF Bay, we've chosen FWD with both recent vehicles. Only reason for AWD for us would be going to Tahoe and avoid the need for chains.....which we only occasionally do.
AWD is worth it for any area with any significant snowfall....otherwise, you Floridians just get ABS and hunker down this weekend for Jeanne.
Minds are a terrible thing to waste, don't quit your day job!!
First- AWD is superior to FWD on all conditions, and improves handling. The big new feature of the Acura RL is a new sophisticated AWD system.
Second- AWD is indeed a safety feature. If you feel FWD is good in Sunny weather, hey by all means go ahead and get it.
But please don't say FWD:
1) Is not a safety feature
2 And FWD handles better than AWD, it doesn't.
AWD really shines in snow and rain, and off road.
Serious off road, you need 4WD.
I for one will never go back to FWD or RWD.
For higher horsepower vehicles, like the new Odyssey, AWD or RWD is a better fit for transferring the power to the wheels then FWD. Otherwise, when you need lots of power, you lose control when too much power goes to front wheel, know as torque steer,
something we know a lot about here at Subaru.
Most AWD vehicles have stability and traction control.
Hope that enlightens the situation.
Yesterday, I took in a 1993 Ford Explorer as a trade in on a new Pilot.
the people who traded it in had owned it since it was two years old and they told me they had oput it into 4WD "maybe twice" in all the time they had owned it.
Of course, it gives better traction than FWD but it sure does not make a car unsafe if it lacks AWD!
C'mon...it's not so much a "important safety feature" as much as it is marketing.
At least in most parts of the country.
Subaru Crew: Official SOA Presence (aka Patti)
Steve, Host
Bingo--it's more about marketing than safety. Subaru is a niche brand and AWD is their market. Since they went to building all cars with AWD their sales have rocketed. If you visit a Suby dealership, that's the big sales pitch the salesmen will make for buying a Suby over a Camry or an Accord. For many years Subaru built cars with AWD as optional. I own a FWD 1994 Legacy. And the dealer who sold it to me never said it wasn't safe. Instead he said 'you probably don't need AWD around here--which was the Southeast.' (Wish I had known I would be moving to upstate NY before then.) Now, it appears the story has changed. Having four wheels turning is great if you live in the snow belt--that's how I ended up buying a 4Runner. Now that I'm back in a warm, almost no snow state, FWD is all I need. And for the record, AWD Siennas will be a very small percentage of of total Sienna sales.
I've always been impressed with Subaru's marketing.
A few years ago, they took a Legacy Wagon. They raised it an inch, added foglights and a decal package and a skid plate etc. they named it "Outback" and they hired Paul Hogan to do those nifty commercials.
Pure brillance! Sales took off like a rocket on these.
I think so. AWD handels better, sorry but end of story. If you think you don't need it fine. Side Air Bags, are they safer.? Yes.
Also Subaru doesn’t sell 4WD. Only AWD, big difference.
Subaru just feels AWD is important enough to put in on every vehicle.
Acura which by the way which is Honda is coming out with the most sophisticated AWD yet in the new RL. That’s also their selling and marketing point for the new RL.
I guess the point everyone is missing, it should be an option. If you don't want it or like it, don't buy it. But to say it's not a safety issue or FWD handles just as good is incorrect.
If you feel FWD is fine for you on nice Sunny day that might be an accurate statement.
But try flooring the new Odyssey and see what happens. Your Van will jump and you will momentarily lose control. Torque steer was one of the main reasons Subaru decided to go with AWD on all vehicles.
AWD is better in ALL roads, yes it costs extra as it should. Point being it should be an option, especially for a company like Honda, just as side air curtains should be an option for those that want them.
I think AWD should be left up to the consumer as an option. For me it's an important option.
For other people it might not be.
But it should be an option.
But you insist on implying that a van with FWD, traction control, and stability control is not safe, and that there is a *substantial* safety difference with AWD in a van. You also contend that AWD is *far* superior in rain and snow. We part company when you go beyond being reasonable about your preference.
As far as handling goes, once you get in a minivan with its size and center of gravity, the benefit of AWD in handling becomes secondary to the limitations of the vehicle itself. In a vehicle the size of an Audi quattro or Subaru, I will certainly agree that there are some handling advantages, particularly when cornering.
If toyota buyers are nothing more than cheap import buyers than toyota would sell nothing but the echo. Toyota introduce the scion division to market their vehicles towards the young 20 something crowd.
"Why does Toyota give alot of rebates"
lot of rebates? what do you call a lot? Honda has been running those special lease deals everything from civic to to the 04 odyssey.
Who do you think subsidizes those special lease deals???
Why don't you tell us the truth. You switch to selling hondas because you couldn't cut it as a toyota salesperson. :-)
What if Honda did exhaustive market research only to learn that there wouldn't be enough demand to bother making AWD Odysseys?
Just a business decision that pleases the masses and displeases a small percentage.
If you need AWD to be able to go, then you should not be driving because at some point you will have to stop.
Subaru needs a gimmick to sell vehicles that are perceived as having lesser quality than Honda or Toyota. Kia, Hyundai, and Suzuki use the gimmick of being cheap.
I ordered a EXL RES/NAVI and will take delivery first week in October 2004. I live in Tennesse and my dealer indicates this particular model and package will be very rare for the coming months. I hope this helps!
To be safe there should be some way to brake safely. AWD is about acceleration so I can't see how it could increase safety in any way.
Minds are a terrible thing to waste, don't quit your day job!!
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Wow, such a strong attack from someone who's new to the forum. You must be working for Toyota.
As for your comment about torque steer, that issue is overcome with VSA and DBW (drive-by-wire) throttle. If you don't know what that is then you need to do more readings before flaming others.
Look, this topic has been covered before. AWD doesn't make it safer. And I'm not trying to defend or help anyone. Your comment just sounds very immature. If you just want to join this forum to rile most people up then you've come to the wrong place. Just making statement like AWD is safer than FWD is just incorrect and ill-informed. If you like Sienna so much and think it's the best thing since sliced bread then go get it and knock yourself out. But lay off those crackpipes and stop telling others that "minds are a terrible thing to waste" and "don't quit your day job."
I have to shake my head too from reading the level of intensity of statements from folks making claims about AWD being superior to FWD. Let's get it straight folks. Neither AWD or FWD is safer than the other. It's traction control and stability control that makes a car safer. Saying AWD is safer than FWD is like saying disc brake is better at preventing skidding than drum brakes. That's just untrue. It's the anti-lock braking mechanism that prevents locking. Again, let's put it to rest. AWD give better handling? Sometimes. AWD also burns more gas since the engine has to work harder to spin all 4 wheels. AWD also means that there's an axle between the front and the rear that take up space. So you might have to lose some interior space. But does that make AWD safer than FWD? No way. Again, as I said AWD without traction control is useless. You might be right that most car with AWD also has traction control. But then again that doesn't mean AWD is the one that makes it safer.
In the future, Honda might make the Ody AWD for other reason. But safety is not the main reason for that. Right now the Ody has both Traction Control and VSA + drive-by-wire throtlle. That shold make it as safe as any car out there.
Uh oh, another newcomer trashing the new Ody.
What does this mean???
1) Maybe it really does suck as these couple folks claim?
2) Or Toyota is getting nervous and sending out agents to infiltrate these Ody forums to cause a scare.
3) Or maybe this is the work of a devious Ody buyer who wants people to stop buying Ody so he/she can get a better deal.
I love conspiracy theories.
Could somone give me some advice as to whether the 2004 or the 2005 is the better way to go? I have given some consideration to the Toyota if anyone has somefeedback there as well. It is my understanding that Leather seats will last longer than the cloth so I guess that would be a good idea. I will be carrying some equipment on the road as well as my luggage. I will also have some customers riding with me as well.
I am looking for a Van that will be as safe as possible, will get great Gas Milage, Preferably will have Navagation built in, I have no use for DVD as both my kids are in college, I will use this for a family van when I'm at home with my wife and one of my son's in college. I plan on keeping this van for the long term.
Thank you all in advance for all of your advice and assistance.
The same applies to VSA & VSC. These systems are yaw control aids. These systems apply brakes to the appropriate wheel in impending rotation slip. This intervention attempts to "right" the vehicle. Again, all systems are different. Some systems are much better than others. Volvo's X90 is supposed to have the best yaw control system. The important thing to remember is that neither system can overcome the laws of physics.
When viewed alone, AWD is more effective in low traction situations than FWD. VSC & VSA simply complement either system.
On SUVs the number was 67% less single vehicle crashes (likely due to higher propensity of these vehicles to rollover when driver control was lost during a skid) when equipped with a stability control system.
This certainly sounds to be a worthwhile safety feature although it now generally only appears on higher trim or more expensive vehicles.
DDL
And AWD helps with traction, but it depends on how you value AWD and where you live.